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[@julioandresgomez3201]

Can´t affect things from other universes but can use them on himself, I can work with that. I buy it.

[@superxdale9715]

What about when he did use them to affect other things

[@theghosttiger1446]

Imagine how powerful he'd be if he visited the TVA office.

[@MeineHodenJucken]

@@theghosttiger1446 The stones dont work there

[@klydejohnson7520]

@@superxdale9715 he didn’t use them on other stuff he used em to basically level himself up so much he became the gauntlet basically

[@anthonykf99]

He's a robot, he downloaded a hack that allows unfair gameplay.

[@mazhiwezakizo3513]

So this actually makes sense, but there is one error in this explanation. He shows he is able to manipulate TIME at one point in the final episode(within his original universe, which makes sense), but then we see Evil Dr. Strange also use a Time Stone from his own universe, to reverse time in a universe not native to the stone he uses.

[@MasterKey2004]

Ya, it’s just a plot hole that the writers tried to explain but failed. Nevertheless the last episode was great so I can forgive them

[@VeryAngryCriminal]

@@MasterKey2004 maybe it’s just different from the comics

[@falcon_5696]

Oooohh yeah that’s true. You caught that plot hole with dr strange

[@falcon_5696]

Although it is dr strange so maybe he just used some random spell to make it work lmao

[@rivalthoughts2061]

It could be argued that rather than simply stopping time, the two are able to accelerate their own time, thus increasing their speeds and effectively stopping time. Still probably bullshit but maybe not impossible.

[@elin111]

Long story short he uses the stones as batteries.

[@Thomas-lz2kb]

but how did he make himself so god damn huge to eat a Galaxy??

[@IMBAIT]

@@Thomas-lz2kb He’s not using the stones directly, he’s storing their energies within himself and using their powers with his own being

[@sandiseferp352]

Sweet succulent double a batters

[@rik1627]

i thought of that when everyone first talked about it lol

[@jlmiller77]

So once again, he’s just like tony stark

[@justinceron880]

"Every Universe is different, each one just a fraction unique"-Ultron, love that quote

[@monkeydude952]

Thanos: "With these stones the universe bends to my will!" Ultron: "These batteries sure do look funny haha"

[@splitsmile2001]

I'm surprised the collector didn't obtain all the stones in episode 2 given how he was the most powerful crime lord in that universe.

[@mr_hashbrown]

@@splitsmile2001, who said he didn't lock them up somewhere as a collection?

[@MetalHanyou1]

It's acceptable that the stones can still effect Ultron himself and, given a deal of creativity, still makes him extremely dangerous. Theoretically, this means he can alter his own personal reality, his own personal timeline, enhance his own power, enhance his own mental framework, project his consciousness, the ability to change his density and form, among others. This means Ultron can theoretically will away any damage he receives, protect his mind and enhance his thinking power, possibly distort his personal spacial reality (change his size and shape). That said there is a flaw in this in that it means he has an ability he theoretically should not have - the ability to open portals to other dimensions. Unless, of course, he can open those portals anytime as long as they pass through his dimension first, which would mean that he can only ever open a portal directly to another dimension as long as he is in his home dimension -- otherwise, to travel from universe to universe would require him to create a bridge through his home universe, though that is just theory crafting.

[@aedwardsss]

I love this flaw you created, and it could be how to defeat him. If he must pass through his own universe, then the upload could start and stop each time he tries to go to another universe. That could also be why he seems “slower” to arrive when he is trying to follow the Watcher

[@connorkelly2649]

He did change his density and form, when he took a bite out of the galaxy, so that does make sense

[@jkjordon1]

Ultron did master the infinity stones and also absorb some knowledge about how the multiverse works from the watcher.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

If we're using the Comic rule about the Infinity Stones and not from the MCU... Then Ultron can bring his universe into another universe, kind of like a suit of armor. As for entering other universes, it's rather simple to shatter the walls of the universe Ultron controls and vise versa. However, entering the multiverse requires a few safeguards if Ultron wants to do so without losing his Infinity Stones. Granted... Ultron also has access to Magic, as Galactus has explained in the comics. Among other things that are not higher dimensional.

[@MetalHanyou1]

​@@absolstoryoffiction6615 But even if he did this, Ultron could only effect the things he brought into the universe - he still can't effect the universe at large with the power of the stones, so he can't do things like the snap, he can't warp planets, etc. That said if he can do this it would still make him immensely powerful as he could, say, warp an entire planet from his universe into another one, challenge heroes and force them to fight him on said planet, then when all the heroes have arrived, simply warp the planet away - atmosphere and all - and leave them to die in the void of space.

[@FlameThrowerDuck]

Minor plot hole being that Dr. Strange was able to use his time stone in Ultron’s universe to counteract ultrons

[@kickflipdemon]

i thought Ultron was evolving and learning how to utilize the stones and gain more power by learning how they worked like thanos in infinity war where it seemed like he was leaning more about the stones the longer he was in possession of them and gaining more knowledge

[@randybobandy9828]

I think he would have mastered the stones by the time he destroyed his own universe.

[@stugamerzone8076]

Hes a computer. He has storage. And storage has limitations

[@CloroxBleach-qy7vy]

@@stugamerzone8076 dude was a computer made from a infinity stone. Dont compare his shit to just earthly base tech

[@TheMaker88]

@@stugamerzone8076 agreed and until he can upgrade himself to unlimited potential then he for a lack of a better word is stuck within the confines of his a.i. and mainframe 👍!

[@TheMaker88]

@@CloroxBleach-qy7vy actually he wasn't a creation of an Infinity Stone! The stone that's in the head of Vision is used as a power source. Yes, Vision is an advance machine of the highest order made from human ingenuity but he is still limited by the parameters of his A.I. and the earthly based tech that's inside him!

[@ronaldmcbride7907]

I chalked it up to him storing energy in his vibranium body akin to what they did in black panther but on a much greater scale. That or the act of breaking the boundary between dimensions allowed direct access to his fundamental power source. But I can believe he is converting the energy from the stones to raw brute force.

[@nm2358]

Ultron was in his original reality when he fought the Multiverse Avengers and Doctor Strange's Time Stone was able to counter Ultron's use, so I'm not sure this actually holds up in the show.

[@canceled6041]

Is it really the time stone after what strange did to it? It looks like it’s been fused with chaos magic.

[@nm2358]

@@canceled6041 The animation has the Eye of Agamotto open up as the time-stone reveals itself as a pretty clear indication as to what is being used to stop Ultron's time control here. Similarly when Ultron collapsed the mountain on the heroes he's using the Reality, Power and Soul Stones to make the mountain collapse. Then again later Erik Killmonger was using them (without instantly dying from gamma poisoning) under the notion he could repair or fix everyone's reality. And to be fair, its not like Hickman was THAT consistent with the rule that "they only work in their universe" rule and he's the one who made it a mainstream concept (outside DC V Marvel). Doctor Doom was using two Infinity Gauntlets to reshape a dead reality in Future Foundation and in Secret Wars Black Panther was able to fight God Doom across Battleworld simply because Doctor Strange had built his castle on a slice of Battleworld that had the completed Gauntlet and from there T'Challa immediately could use it all over Battleworld. Eitherway, generally the stones don't work at all outside their native reality, so the series seems to be retconning or "establishing" very different rules for them for the MCU.

[@akshatsharma9740]

@@canceled6041 no time stone, the eye of agamoto glows green look carefully

[@Someone_3lse]

The original reality is what I was going to mention. Also if the stones work on ultron outside of his home reality cuz they’re from the same reality then couldn’t that also imply that Kilmonger shouldn’t be able to use the stones since he’s from a different reality? If there’s evidence that I’m wrong then please do correct me. But I seriously feel like this explanation is cop out cuz he didn’t want to piss of comic book fans.

[@matthewdrexler188]

I think it makes more sense to say that ultron never left his universe only different timelines within his universe. DBS did it first so the concept is proven. There can be multiple realities and variations of realities within the same universe but these all stem from 1 single origin point. Making it so that all variant timelines have 1 common starting point, meaning the infinity stones can work across all realities within that universe. You also forgot to take into account that ultron and dr strange both used the timestone in a different reality at the same time. and even if it was the reality ultron came from dr strange still did not and he still used his timestone there just the same. So that disproves this video already and supports this explanation. However this videos concept about ultron using the stones as batteries is correct only when he is in the watchers rhelm. the watchers rhelm is seperate and outside of the realities so they can not preform their functions the same, but still being in the same universe allows them to chanel the raw power of the base universe the foundations the realities are housed in. but i believe if he went to a true different universe even this function would be negated and they would just be inactive. leading me to believe that the tva is simply seperate from all universal structures

[@Chrisiskewl100]

I always thought that the stones in loki stopped working because their timeline was destroyed. No universe to draw power from, so no power to get from them. So I can see this going hand in hand with that theory. If the universe where they come from still exists then even though they may not be able to manipulate other universes, they can still get power from their home universe.

[@jonathansauceda589]

That and/or all forms of magic, and extreme powers fail to function in the tva

[@Chrisiskewl100]

@@jonathansauceda589 I can get why magic wouldn't work in the tva, because Thor explained that magic is just science for a more advanced species, but the stones aren't really magic or science. Take Thanos' quest and the living tribunal for example. The living tribunal is an extremely powerful being and could have easily stopped Thanos, and the living tribunal even confronted him in the comics, but he didnt stop Thanos because the living tribunal only stops those who aquire too much magical power, like doctor strange or the Scarlett witch, and use that to disturb the natural order of things. Which means that the stones aren't magic based, and by extension not science based. They are the physical manifestations of the properties of the universe and are as old as time itself. They are the "sandbox tools" of the universe if you will. Made alongside the universe and the science and magic that go with it, and not made from the universe and the science and magic within.

[@Chrisiskewl100]

@@jonathansauceda589 as long as the stones' "source code" still exists, or the universe that they're paired to still exists, then the stones should still have power even though they can't manipulate anything in another universe, since the " game code" of this new universe isn't compatible with command codes of the stones of another universe. The power is still there, but the functionality is severely limited. Where as if you delete the source code, then the sandbox tool is just a random line of code that does nothing. It becomes useless.

[@Chrisiskewl100]

@@jonathansauceda589 turns out we were all wrong

[@T.a.c.o]

The stones didnt work because the TVA nullified them. If the stones left the tva the stones would probably work.

[@glowingunknown5625]

Q: Why do the stones still work in other universes? writer: Because i *wrote it* that way.

[@itskashkashi]

Can't wait for the pitch meeting.

[@arctictrill]

😂 everyone: okay i can understand

[@levels1937]

Because they never read the comics.

[@ThanosDestroyeryearsago]

That’s how it was in Endgame. Why are ya’ll asking these dumb questions?

[@levels1937]

@@ThanosDestroyeryearsago The stones in Endgame where from the past(some of which branched into different timelines like the one that no longer has a Thanos) in the same universe. Different timeline doesn’t not always mean different universe(See Strange Supreme episode). But yeah they have not done a great job of specifying what the difference is yet. In fact they have contradicted themselves so far.

[@Moshuun]

I always figured he was still in *HIS* universe but different *time* outcomes for that universe.

[@plaguedoctor03]

Same

[@Appocollege]

Yeah same and makes way more sense.

[@levels1937]

Great glad they finally clarified this.

[@WiseNoobCrusher]

I am pretty sure that IS how it works. The stones don't work in other earths. Other timelines of the same earth still allows the stones to work.

[@madtufguy]

The problem with that, is that the alternate universes *are* the branched timelines. Loki and What If have shown us that (at least some of) those universes are a result of deviances from a timeline, branching off and creating an alternate universe (evidenced by the timestone being unable to access that branched reality).

[@UltimateQball]

Great idea. I guess the best thing was for the writer to explain to the viewers via social media. Because adding an explanation in the episode would've made it seem like the Watcher knew when clearly he's scared and have no clue how Ultra Vision is doing these things.

[@JPNINJATV]

I figured the infinity stones work wherever they go except the TVA, the TVA has nullifying tech/magic to combat that. The whole making sure people aren’t robots is because Kang has seen this Ultron outcome and wants to avoid meeting that Ultron.

[@MasterKey2004]

This ultron came to exist way after the ending of loki so kang can’t predict this outcome, he was only able to predict the few moves of loki and Sylvie cause the time hadn’t branched that much yet so there are limited possibilities while once all the universes branch differently, it’s impossible to predict cause soon every single universe will be different

[@NewbreedVampires]

Yea, I just figured the TVA was a pocket dimension not created by the stones so I thought they worked everywhere and just not in the TVA.

[@Normg49]

@@MasterKey2004 It's more likely that Kang knew about Ultron and similar beings, from before he took control of the timeline

[@megaavonaco9954]

@@MasterKey2004 it seems like everything is a loop. We literally see the timeline, and it loops. The end of time hasn’t been written yet. And there are probably other ultrons in the universe who won, but aren’t as big as infinity ultron in threat level.

[@krayt5875]

"We forgot and hoped, nobody would notice."

[@awefull3365]

"thought we wouldnt notice, but we did"

[@auliazebua423]

Did he can use the "intended function" of the stone to himself? Like, undo the damage that he been taken with the time stone, teleport himself with space stone, etc. The only thing that confirmed, he used the reality stone (probably) to make himself super massive.

[@twotimes2648]

Plus power stone and space stone

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Yes... But I doubt the writers will do so. Given the rules about each Infinity Stone per universe. Ultron is rather lack luster in execution. In my hands, the One Above All will pulled into my intervention... There's infinite things you can do with the Infinity Stones, but Ultron is not utilizing it to the fullest potential. It is on par with the old Beyonders in the comics.

[@333dae]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 the one above all is way too high level for a rogue infinity stones user, the living tribunal should suffice

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@333dae Not were I'll be going. Even the One Above All has a beginning but like all things of the first ones. History is only codified for a time. If anything... Oblivion... That entity is the only one who can truly stand in my way. Since Oblivion and I are very similar in aspect... I am the Nothingness. ... I usually contend with the omnipotent entities. The One Above All is nothing special to me. However, for what is true existence. Only a few stand before the Origin itself. That is where I'll be heading... If I was in Marvel Comics, that is... One omniverse onto the next. (But one can only dream in reality... Mortality is a limitation.)

[@RandomGuy-nt1no]

maybe he got his hands on ant-man's size changing tech and supercharged it with the infinity stones in order to make himself bigger

[@Truewiseman]

If that's the case then it raises bigger questions about the stones and the ending scuffle that became its own pocket universe. I still think it was an oversight and someone in the writer's room got a little tooe excited by the idea of infinity Ultron.

[@nubiannerd]

Dr Strange used the time stone to manipulate time in the Dark Dimension, so it appears as though it has long been part of the MCU canon that infinity stones can be used outside their home universe.

[@giorgosgiorgos2374]

While I don't disagree, he didn't exactly manipulate Time in the Dark Dimension. He brought Time into the DD, and then he manipulated it. Same thing, vastly different in scale.

[@mhansond2011]

Dr. Strange when encountering Dormammu in the Dark Dimension stated that he brought time to the Dark Dimension. Therefore, the Time Stone only worked because the Dark Dimension was slowly merged with our own at that time.

[@matthewdrexler188]

the dark dimension is still apart of the universe. as all dimensions are. dormamu isnt defeated by dr strange once for all universes. he faces dormamu in variant timelines. so not only are dimensions apart of a universe they are also apart of their attached variant realities aswell.

[@LethalPlayers]

Whelp, the last episode proved this wrong.

[@kingssman2]

WOW! That's a really good explanation! and evident on screen too. The stones are used in only raw power, not their unique properties. Totally different from Thanos using them

[@davidboon3438]

except that he uses the stones like Thanos in the last episode

[@prismssj8532]

The Watcher: How do your stones work out of your universe? Ultron: The Multiverse The Watcher: The Multiverse Theory doesn't cover how your stones work Ultron: *Except for when it does*

[@shadowcatcherfox5186]

What about when Ultron used his time stone, and Strange Supreme used his own time stone to break its effect? One stone should have worked, the other should not have.

[@Weiningc66]

I ask the Same question

[@Weiningc66]

I can see ultron timestone work because they are in his own universe. But why demon dr strange stone work? Does dr strange figure out an way to break the same rule? Can an evil infinity demon dr strange be the most powerful evil ever? Be the stronger than the watcher???? Or the the defeat kang the conqueror!!!

[@matthewdrexler188]

I think it makes more sense to say that ultron never left his universe only different timelines within his universe. DBS did it first so the concept is proven. There can be multiple realities and variations of realities within the same universe but these all stem from 1 single origin point. Making it so that all variant timelines have 1 common starting point, meaning the infinity stones can work across all realities within that universe. You also forgot to take into account that ultron and dr strange both used the timestone in a different reality at the same time. and even if it was the reality ultron came from dr strange still did not and he still used his timestone there just the same. So that disproves this video already and supports this explanation. However this videos concept about ultron using the stones as batteries is correct only when he is in the watchers rhelm. the watchers rhelm is seperate and outside of the realities so they can not preform their functions the same, but still being in the same universe allows them to chanel the raw power of the base universe the foundations the realities are housed in. but i believe if he went to a true different universe even this function would be negated and they would just be inactive. leading me to believe that the tva is simply seperate from all universal structures

[@bananaeclipse3324]

I think through the whole fight you can see all the avatars kind of slipping out of him unintentionally sometimes. I think he is boosting himself with the time stone and the pure power of the entity’s to be able to affect time outside his own reality. Although it seems that he still doesn’t have the power to completely control time as he never did it before. Also also seeing as his origin showed his utter control over the stone (not over time itself though) it would make sense that it had been altered enough to enable it to work in different universes. And lastly to sum it up a bit, the stone is boosting the mystical entity’s and letting him counter the other time stone, it is not the stone directly doing it.

[@Normg49]

So many people are trying to find loopholes but the simplest explanation is just that the stones work in every universe in this multiverse

[@Velldog]

Infinity Stones can be used in any MCU Universe. Maybe that Universe needs to still exist and that's why stones from purged timelines in Loki don't work anymore but either way we have seen Strange and Ultron use Infinity stones outside of their Native Universes.

[@breaknfiction21]

That’s what I think/hope too.

[@cman7609]

Lol I guess. I would have also accepted, "yeah we changed that just to make this one cool story."

[@Zeezeebot]

I think its actually very consistent cuz, as seen in Endgame, their brought the stones of another reality to their own reality and it still worked, and What If didnt change that soooo I think the TVA Loki thing was bcuz the universe the stones originated from got pruned, and therefore the stones had no battery life. Even tho it does seem weird that the universe is pruned into the void so technically it could still exist? but still idk

[@jaceh4942]

I don't think it has anything to do with their universe being pruned. It was because they had that anti-magic tech. That's why Loki's powers don't work there, and it is also why the infinity stone didn't work there. I have no idea where people are getting this idea that the stones need to be in their own universe to work. That has literally never been stated, and we've seen it happen multiple times now. Why are people acting like there is a plot hole or something?

[@upright5279]

in endgame the stones are only taken from another timeline of the SAME universe, they dont take stones from another universe thats the major difference

[@karnage2948]

Didn’t they get the stones from there own past timeline, isn’t that different from going to a different reality

[@upright5279]

@@karnage2948 yup that’s what I said

[@franklinpierce6829]

If you watched endgame the bald monk lady explained they were in they same time line but them taking the stones could create a multiverse sooooo

[@Omosisthefuture]

So basically he’s an elite hacker who leveled himself up instantly in a world filled with f2p players and npcs.

[@donal935]

There's a lot of assumptions on this channel. For example you do see the stones being used as more than just energy blasts when Ultron picks up The Watcher in the middle of NYC with the Space Stone

[@LethalPlayers]

Maybe because the Watcher is from his universe too 🧐

[@kawaii_milkshake2160]

Or he just use some anti gravity tech as we see him use it in Age Of Ultron

[@NazgulStig]

Ultron was able to do that in AoU even without the stones

[@DG-ed9ey]

@DarklightTwins exactly

[@twotimes2648]

@DarklightTwins he used the stones on himself and since there from the same universe they work

[@johnharrison5656]

That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation

[@ronaldpinson2236]

And this is why he doesn’t just “snap” like Thanos did…his armor can withstand the stones without his armor breaking apart…

[@Spino-hx2mr]

He can definitely withstand the blow given how he withstood a bear of a similar nature that obliterated ALL worlds across the universe. He just wants to DESTROY EVERYTHING, not just half of the entire population.

[@speedy01247]

I think he just choose not to as it was his purpose but he clearly didn't know what to do once his purpose was finished.

[@jeremiahnord2849]

I think we're seeing two different phenomena in the episode when he's fighting Uatu. The first is him powering himself like mentioned. I don't believe his reality hopping abilities come from the stones, but from the fact that he was able to break into uatu's dimension and gain his powers. To me it makes sense that he could be as strong as portrayed in other universes using the stones to empower himself, but buy that logic he would be at his strongest in his own universe, granting him the ability to break into the watchers' dimension. Overall a very good explanation to what's going on, just needed a little extra to fully explain what we're seeing.

[@AntMakesContent]

It also makes sense why Ultron was able to use the time stone because he was in his own timeline

[@atmskater78]

great vid!

[@LedoPolo626]

Still can’t believe that he never figured out how to phase

[@DeathBYDesign666]

What I've always thought about was the fact that there were presumably only 6 original infinity stones in the beginning. These stones in turn could control the stones of all of their alternate reality counterparts and could work in presumably any reality. You could call these infinity keystones to which all other infinity stones are bound and maybe it only takes one to make them work outside their native reality.

[@ninomitchell2039]

Either that or if anywhere he traveled, so far, IS in the same universe or otherwise within their range seem too be the best 2 options to me.

[@user-zg8sw7jp2n]

This theory holds even better after the finale, because in his home universe Ultron begins using the properties of each individual stone

[@ryank8586]

While Ultron's use is true to this theory. Strange Supreme uses the time stone from his universe to cancel Ultron's time slowed bubble. Meaning that even in a different universe, Strange Supreme still can affect the flow of time with his universe's time stone

[@AHHHIDK7858]

The new episode monster Dr strange used his time stone inside of Ultrons original universe

[@DillynWinn]

He used their power to clear the landscape into a desert.

[@darky1595]

Nope, more like he enhanced his own armor powers to do that.

[@Stephen-ef9jk]

problem with this theory is that all TVA agents are variants from pruned timelines, therefore some variants should come from timelines that match one or more of the infinity stones kept as paper weights. As a variant I'd be looking for the pruned infinity stone that was taken from my timeline.

[@paulpieper4356]

I love fictional physics.

[@LocalMaple]

I like this explanation. Which makes it even weirder that The Watcher has his assembled heroes fight Ultron on his home field advantage.

[@svoidsofinfinitechaos9367]

This was essentially my theory. They don’t work as they usually would outside of their parent universes but they’re still a set of 6 singularities giving off an endless amount of gamma radiation which Ultron can use as the ultimate power source.

[@joelh2796]

I'm glad the writer verified that for us

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

I knew it! He’s basically punching the Watcher with the full weight of his home universe

[@gabrielarchie2944]

Pretty happy that they at least to try to explain inconsistencies in a fun way.

[@jaceh4942]

It isn't an inconstancy. 90% of the audience just isn't paying attention lol. I has never been stated that the stones can't work outside of their universe. We've seen characters use stones from other universes multiple times now. I have no clue where people are getting this idea from. The only reason they didn't work in the TVA is because they're magic, and the TVA had anti-magic tech. Why is everyone forgetting this???

[@Gojira_Wins]

@@jaceh4942 Lmao the fuck are you talking about? Sounds like you aren't paying attention my dude. The infinity stones used in Endgame were from the SAME timeline, just from the past. Same universe, different time. By removing the stones, it would cause a branch reality where they cause problems because they do not exist (Explained in Avengers Endgame). The infinity stones work in their singular universe due to the fact that they are aspects of the universe they were created in (Explained in Infinity war and Guardians of the Galaxy). The reason why the stones do not work in the TVA is due to the fact that the TVA exists outside of reality, AKA, the Quantum Realm (Explained in the Loki TV Show). This is supported by the fact that Antman was inside of the Quantum Realm when the snap happened but since he was outside of the main MCU reality, he was unaffected by the stones (Explained in Avengers Endgame). So that being said, when the stones are brought to the TVA, they are disconnected from the Timeline that gives them power. This is essentially the same as pulling the battery out of a car. Without it's power source, it is useless. If they were brought back into the timeline they came from, they would be powered again. However, it must be the same timeline. Which means, ALL of the stones seen in the Loki TV show are from the Main MCU timeline, AKA the "sacred" timeline. They are all the same stone due to being from the same timeline. The TVA has ZERO "Antimagic" tech. That's what people would assume if they weren't paying attention to all of the detail they put into all of these TV shows and Movies.

[@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere]

@@jaceh4942 because the marvel comics specifically say you cannot use the Infinity Stones of your reality outside of your own reality since every new marvel comic/movie outside of the MCU is a new universe it falls into the same rules

[@jaceh4942]

@@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere When? Tell me when the movies say the stones can't be used outside of their universes? That has never once been stated lol. People are pulling that out of thin air. Nothing in the movies suggests that to be the case. And did you watch Loki? They straight up said that the TVA has anti-magic tech. Kang created it. And it sounds like you didn't pay attention in Endgame lol. Doing literally anything in the past creates a new timeline. The very second the Avengers showed up in "the past", those became new timelines. This is why nothing they did in those "pasts" had an effect on their present, because they're all different timelines. It has no effect on them. Plus, the variant Loki we got in the Loki series WAS FROM one of the branched timelines in Endgame, confirming that all the places they went in endgame were branches. Sure, Captain America went back and "closed" the branches by returning the stones or whatever, but for one, they were still separate branches while they were being used, so during the events of Endgame those stones belonged to different timelines, and two, if we want to talk plot holes we should discuss that, because that is the thing that makes no sense lol. Returning the stones shouldn't get rid of the branches. Those timelines still have different pasts. Even if their futures all end up converging, they are still slightly different timelines. No matter how similar they are, they are still alternate universes where slightly different events happened in the past. There's a universe where a 2nd set of Avengers showed up in NYC for a few minutes (that didn't happen in the main timeline). There's a universe where Redskull met Nat and Clint (that also didn't happen in the main MCU timeline). There's a universe that Thanos abandons (he came to the main MCU universe where he died). Cap didn't magically didn't fix all that by returning the stones. There are still a lot of branches. Plus, even if returning the stones to their timelines somehow erases everything they did (which it shouldn't because that's dumb), we still had at least two branched timelines at the end of the movie, which are timelines that the avengers took stones from. One stone from Loki's branch was used in the main MCU timeline, and one stone from the branch where Cap stayed with Peggy was used in the main MCU timeline.

[@jaceh4942]

@@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere That has never been stated in the movies and we've seen stones being used outside of their own timelines like 12 times now. I think it's safe to say the movies are different than the comics. Certainly wouldn't be the first time they changed things.

[@MighelAkando]

I actually like this explanation It’s really clever too!

[@picklepaddy]

I can't quite remember as I haven't seen all of Loki but I think I remember seeing something that the stones in the TBA are from timelines that were pruned and removed. As their origin is gone, they have no power. As Infinity Ultron's universe/timeline still exists, his stones still have power.

[@anubhavpal5782]

So in short he just using the raw power stored in the stones and the same applies for every being of other universe who try to use them in universes other than its own. So he manipulates himself, grow huge in size larger than galaxy or smaller than an atom, convert his body or his armor into something stronger than anything to withstand the forces of the watcher or some powerful beings of other universes or heal himself with the time stone but cant use it on anything other than himself

[@ronanzann4851]

Or, enable him to regurgitate more than his own body mass of vomit.

[@ronanzann4851]

In someone else's mouth of course.

[@IncontrolgamingHD]

I really like this theory, I feel like I'm whatever universe due to the conservation of energy the stones would still be able to channel the same power as they always had but not be able to perform the same abilities

[@alexandermclaughlin4742]

GLORIOUS PURPOSE

[@elloitsjello3337]

I love this explanation because it also explains why he never uses the stones from the universes he conquered. Since they aren't from his universe he can't use their power in that way as he travels to other universes

[@mairisberzins8677]

Except in the last episode when Ultron went back to fight Guardians of the Multiverse in his home universe, he used the time stone to stop/slow down time. Everything holding up just like the video says... except Strange uses his own time stone from another universe to undo the effects. Effectively 2 timestones from different universes were functional in 1 universe at the same time. This breaks everything.

[@mattm8098]

What if he knocked the watcher back into his own universe.

[@klydejohnson7520]

Watchers don’t have universes all watchers r outside the universes that’s why they called watchers they can change what they are watchin and go to different universes

[@clawsky8952]

@@klydejohnson7520 I think he meant ultrons own universe

[@mattm8098]

@@clawsky8952 yup

[@tatters6623]

The explanation works, so works for me.

[@tek512]

Note that universe and timeline are not synonymous in Marvel. There are numerous universes within the multiverse, and each of these universes *can* have different timelines in and of themselves, although they aren't *supposed* to.

[@ernestvejvoda4170]

Who else loves animated watcher and his power cosmic. It is totally awesome

[@jagdeishwarmagendran3395]

For me, my explanation would be that ultron might be using the stones one at a time. But not all 6 at the same time. In Secret wars 2015, Black panther was able to use an infinity gauntlet with stones from different realities. He is not able to use them all at the sametime but is still able to use the gauntlet. And the gauntlet is only functional in specific locations in Battle world. So it could be that ultron is only using the stones 1 or 2 at a time and not all 6.

[@almostawesomewithwill9251]

Can we also consider the fact that since he is not a living creature, that he can not “will” the stones to do things. I.e. make a wish and snap his fingers. Or turn some one into noodles. He has know soul. Also thats why he has no trouble wielding the stone.

[@Zen-nu1fb]

ok fair enough, so now explain how did strange time stone nullify ultron time stone in episode 9

[@prabhatswain1231]

That does it. I'm sold

[@aydanmull]

If he couldn't use the stones in the alternate universes, how did he become larger than a galaxy? It would imply that he used the reality stone to make himself bigger right?

[@futurewarriorhero123]

That would seem to be the case. He manipulated himself sense he’s from the home reality of the stone’s

[@rickywashington6058]

The new episode shows him using the time stone. New theory needed.

[@greyborg3846]

I was actually speculating that it must have been something like this. Although I had been guessing that he had used the stones to augment himself in advance to have abilities similar to the stones so he could continue to use powers like theirs while not in his home universe.

[@doggiehowzer]

That theory went out the window in Episode 9 Ultron could use the time stone in the final battle - in his original universe. But Strange was from a different universe and his time stone was used to reverse the effects of Ultron’s time stone.

[@aaronmoses7772]

Now it makes sense.

[@Boomken76]

makes sense the collector did say they were singularities that took the form of stone so at there lest there still pure energy, that and it legit was how the space stone was used in the first avengers film.

[@tanvswild]

Yeah, that's a pretty solid explanation. I'm satisfied:)

[@tribute2aname450]

Interesting theory but you overlooked Dr. Strange's use of the time stone in the MCU. Dark Doctor Strange used the time stone to alter time in at least two different universes (during episodes #4 & #9), and regular Dr. Strange created that time loop in the dark dimension (which seems to be in-between universes or possibly its own universe).

[@superthorc6894]

Plot armor of course I should have known

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Literally lol

[@JWP4746]

What I find very interesting is in episode 9 Supreme Strange uses his Time stone from his universe to cancel out ultron’s time stone attack. This all happening in a different universe from Supreme Strange. Hmmmmmm

[@VegaFic]

And Ultron himself also used his Time stone to completely stop the Guardians Of The Multiverse, Hmmmm

[@franciscohurtado2459]

The avengers used infinity stones from the past to fix their problems in endgame so they do work in different timeliness but only on their universe

[@Tyrant034]

well I don’t know if this is relevant or cannon considering the source... but in Marvel vs Capcom 2 Thanos commented to Ultron and I quote "You have no soul, machine - the true power of the stones will remain forever beyond your reach ", so maybe he can’t use the stones to their full potential for the same reason, doesn’t explain the galaxy bite though

[@joshuacollins6915]

Not cannon lol but interesting.

[@m3ducraft]

I don't understand why people mix "Time line" and "universe (multiverse)". They are two different things. One happens in the same universe that then split trough a decision, so if you go back far enough in time, every timeline will converge to one, so technically all stones can work in all time lines since every time line is the same. And the other one is a completely different universe with a different beginning, completely independent of all other universes. However since there is an infinity of universes, events that happen in a time line can happen in a universe too, so it would be impossible to differentiate a time line from a universe. The MCU uses time lines instead of universes (so one beginning) while marvel comics uses universes (and sometimes time lines, but mostly universes). Hence why the stones can't work outside in one and in the other they can.

[@levels1937]

People get mixed up mostly because they have mixed the two concepts up in the shows so far starting mostly with Loki. They imply deviant timelines from the sacred timeline lead to a multiverse. In Dr Strange 1 it is implied hidden “dimensions” form a multiverse. They have yet to clearly state what type of multiverse the What if series is in. Most people take for granted it is the one formed by Loki but that may not be the case. Also in the Dr Strange episode The Ancient One splits the time line of that universe. Making it seem like they are considering them different concepts again. Personally I think they will hopefully clear this up soon hopefully because unlike what most people think I believe the Dr Strange\SpiderMan Multiverse stuff will be actual multiverse related. While the Kang\Quantumania stuff will be timeline quantum many worlds based. I think they are meant to be two different storylines. The only caveat is that Loki and Sylvie are supposed to be in Dr Strange 2. So it is quite the mess they are creating.

[@diakounknown1225]

Humans were never meant to tangle with the 4th dimension. Jk. No of course not. It think it is because people(including me) think that the parallel worlds theory is how the MCU universe works. Where one change causes a timeline split and thus creates another universe. It makes sense really once you think of it like that.

[@jodyboles8208]

the MCU clearly uses universes though. the watcher mentions going to different universes many times and never said time lines though. even called the team guardians of the multiverse.

[@m3ducraft]

@@jodyboles8208 Only in the What if MCU. In the MCU movies no. Also, did you see when this comment was posted? It was posted before the episode 9 of what if.

[@jodyboles8208]

@@m3ducraft dude the what if series IS the MCU as well lol. They are all connected and part of the same multi verse

[@its_ya_ma]

Did anyone notice he said some stuff again like the “supercharging himself with the stones”

[@golem8209]

I like how the reality stone makes his Battle helmet disappear

[@charlestownsend9280]

Yeah this makes sense, it also given Ultron a logical weakness that prevents them from going full god mode. I'd also have been fine with the same reasoning for endgame, where because these are branched realities and not completely different timelines and universes then they still work.

[@conmanay4563]

He uses a time stop bubble in the finale, so he can use their special effects, just powering him

[@Sephiroth144]

And the only time we see him use a stone for its "intended" purpose, (well, I guess the Power Stone would be doing that- its always been half ultra energy blasts, half mega battery), is the Time Stone- but that only happened back in his universe of origin.

[@marknovak6498]

You still have the matter of just how much power Ultron can be a conduit for. The blast is still very powerful and the energy should affect his structure even as they destroyed things the power hit.

[@miketanner7682]

strange used his stone in the following episode in a different universe; this was a good point but they changed the rules

[@wishfulgecko3160]

The avengers already disproved that they only work in their home universe

[@canceled6041]

But then how did the time stone work in the dark dimension, and how did they work in endgame?

[@EvolvedWizard]

Strange Supreme used his time stone to rewind Ultron's explosion and eat it. I'm absolutely positive he was not in his home universe at the time.

[@stephenfrank7156]

I like it. Let's hope Zola acts fast once he's back.

[@BalancedEarth]

I know this is totally off topic. But whenever someone world builds a story. I always find myself looking toward the little details. A story doesn't have to be realistic for me to like it. But for it to be great I love the details hidden in the bigger picture. If anyone ever has the time and/or capability to world build a story so far to it's minute detail. I hope it has a "The Marvelous Wave" type of content of it's own world and it's own super hero types of shows. Maybe once they figure out AI to make worlds with such details. In the next digital era. I totally loved the 8th and 9th episodes of what if for those types of reasons.

[@golem8209]

I think he can only use the stones on himself because the reality stone changed his armour

[@parissolomon5937]

What about when ultron was fighting the watcher in multiple realitys and he turned into a giant head and bit the milky-way, that wasn't using the stones as friggen batteries for lasers

[@tallbird532]

Maybe he is a Nexus being. Not in the traditional way, but he is a robot so every universe he travels to that has a Ultron connects to him right? Infinity Ultron can be the hive mind for all the Ultrons across the multiverse which makes him apart of those universe since some part of him has a Origin in that universe.

[@umairbutt1355]

This explanation makes sense for the energy-based attacks and such, but what about him eating a galaxy. No battery can enable you do that, without something like the reality stone to make it possible

[@mzurran1003]

He could also use the time stone to revert the stones to the very beginning where all time lines begin.

[@austingivens244]

I actually saw this differently. I saw this as being the reason that the TVA doesn't allow androids in. Maybe they don't allow them in, because if they got hold of the infinity stones, they could obliterate everything, as UltraVision does. Maybe the stone don't work in other universes when being used by a living being, but UltraVision kinda doesn't count as living

[@walterroche8192]

There has always been a question of how the Watchers power works. Some say they are time based, others, dimensionally based. This came into focus when they introduced other universes Watchers. If you say that the Watcher only has Time or Dimensionally based powers then his fight with Infinity Ultron perfectly works because they never left the stones birth universe.

[@rizzly3359]

The other thing with the stones is that during endgame they take stones from other universes and they work just fine in their own universe

[@lamaj2657]

Honestly that’s exactly what I figured cause he is the gauntlet and it’s weilder.

[@maximpershutin8257]

I think this is a good theory, but we have indeed seen infinity stones being used as they are intended in Episode 9, when Ultron used the time stone (he was in his home unuverse, so nothing wrong here) but Supreme Strange countered it by activating his own. This means Strange was using the stone to affect the timeline that is not his original one, which contradits this theory

[@damiansaturday6788]

maybe strange is doing the same thing as ultron? given that this is strange supreme we are talking about here, maybe he is using the timestone to enhance his time based magic, like he knows a spell that can alter time to an extent,(not impossible due to the sheer amount of magical knowledge he has) and using the timestone to super charge it?

[@uli6072]

I think the better theory is that Kang the Conqueror limited the power of the infinity stones to their home universes but when he died in Loki, that was no longer the case. This would make sense because in the comics he has the technology to completely nulify the power of the stones

[@Anthony-lb8vd]

Would it be too difficult for them to say that Ultrons vibranium body might be a factor in what's keeping the stones functioning in some capacity in the other universe's?

[@jimmy3038alm]

But he literally effects the world around him in the fight with the GotM - it also doesn't explain how he teleports, or how he blew up that mountain with a thought, or stopped time

[@MatthewFTabor]

I think stones definitely CAN be used outside of their original timeline, since this is the entire plot of Endgame. None of the stones that Banner/Hulk and Tony used were from their original timeline, but they still affected the whole universe. Within the MCU continuity though, I'm still pretty unclear on the distinction between timeline/universe, and universe/dimension.