What Is Calvinism?

Calvinism refers to the teachings of John Calvin that have had a tremendous amount of influence in the Christian church, particularly in Reformed theology. In this video, we summarize the 5 points of Calvinism by explaining the acrostic TULIP.
TULIP refers to the following:
T- Total Depravity
U- Unconditional Election
L- Limited Atonement
I- Irresistible Grace
P- Perseverance of the Saints
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[@FabledNarrative]

That last 30 seconds is GOLD! As a Christian, we are to follow CHRIST, not any one particular man.

[@gospeldigitalnetworks4880]

@@ozplasmic351 Follow the Bible, and you will find answers to your question

[@bloodieboi5182]

Amen

[@trigg0311]

I don’t follow any man. I follow the Bible, which clearly points to the theology figured out by John Calvin. We don’t follow him, we follow Jesus. Not one person who is reformed follows man, we give ALL glory to God.

[@rettpanda6203]

@@trigg0311 you sir....are still following a man then. Because what he teaches is not the truth of the whole word of God. I pray you find the truth

[@mercibeaucoup2639]

@@trigg0311 THE TULIP IS TOXIC. GOD BLESS YOU.

[@davidoltmans2725]

The Gospel is so simple that it takes theologians to confuse it. When I see doctrines espoused that confuse the flock, especially when founded on the “wisdom” of man, I see exclusion and a narrow focus on the minutia to the exclusion of the whole masterpiece. When somebody tells me they’re “reformed” or a “Calvinist” or a LDS or SDA or JW, I immediately think of Gnostics. Read your Bible and trust the Holy Spirit to clarify what is really important and not about the disputes of so called theologians and their mouthpieces. Start with the Gospels and read what the greatest Teacher of all time said about salvation. It makes all of man’s interpretations wasted ink and breath.

[@jrconway3]

This is why Jesus' disciples were mostly made up of fishermen. "Learned theologians" like to muddy the simplicity of the gospel. It's the same reason why Jesus' kept calling out the Pharisees on their hypocrisy.

[@J_a_s_o_n]

@@jrconway3 l totally agree

[@nicholascarter6543]

@@jrconway3 That was from God(what you just said) BECAUSE I had this realization yesterday.

[@ilonkastille2993]

You are saying exactly what should be read. All these « reformers » are only messing things up and confusing people. It is not up to them to teach us. The Only Teacher is Christ Himself.

[@consumedbyfire1359]

We are living in exciting times. The Reformation was spawned along same time frame as the printing of the first Bible. Before that, the common people did not have a Bible. This is a blessed time. You and I can study history on our own, in our own living quarters, rather than with the guide of a priest or elder of a church.

[@ysagamez8144]

I like your last part... I would rather be a follower of Jesus christ rather than a follower of john calvin and arminian theology

[@matthewhart8125]

God is Good All the Time Kuwait Amen. These are secondary issues that cause divisions among Christians.

[@daveme7]

Actually...no. Being a Calvinist is not about following John Calvin. Some will know this and many will not and make assumptions-John Calvin never taught Limited Atonement. People just happened to ascribe the ideas and understandings of reformation theology-because of his influence not just in continental Europe but also his own country(France) and England. So if I say I am a Calvinist-does that mean I am following John Calvin in denial of following Christ? No more than saying one is a baptist means they are following John the Baptist. What about Pentecostals, are they about following the religious holidays of Judaism or maybe it means something else. How far does one want to go? This is the same exact thing that Paul dealt with in 1 Cor. 3.

[@gailgunderson5163]

@@matthewhart8125 No, it is not a secondary issue! Calvinists do not believe in the Gospel Message. It's a salvation issue!

[@kimberleerivera7062]

Exactly, that's why you never follow anyone but JESUS CHRIST - the ONE WHO DIED FOR US - THE ON!Y NAME GIVEN UNDER HEAVEN FOR SALVATION!!! Calvin's name isn't even in the Bible. JESUS CHRIST IS IN THE BIBLE AND IS OUR SAVIOR!!! Reminds me of the Roman Catholics and Mary and the pope. The Bible tells us to follow no man!

[@gailgunderson5163]

@@daveme7 Who came up with limited atonement? Did the Calvinists just say one day, hey let's come up with a doctrine that states Jesus died only for the "chosen"? I know TULIP well. Calvinisim is a man-made religion and so far apart from the doctrine that Christians live by. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. John 3:16.

[@harlanurwiler7146]

Calvinism was condemned as heresy in the 17th century under the label of "Jansenism" by the Catholic Church. The problem with Calvinism is that if only one of those five points falters then the whole system comes crashing to the ground. See 1 John 2: 1-2.

[@gtdadof10]

Man oh man, if I wasn't a believer, I'm sure I'd never become one by reading KZbin comments after "Christian" videos

[@badromenful]

gtdadof10 amen

[@kevinbarton1661]

Yes . Information is not Always bliss .

[@kevinbarton1661]

gtdadof10 - yes . I agree. A few years ago . I needed to just stay home . Teach my kids . Avoid the close neighbors that I try to help . They wanted to hurt me with their spin on stuff .

[@Ben-wh4ci]

FACTS omg how do these people actually follow Jesus. The self righteous all knowing come out in the KZbin comments

[@legitsebas0157]

@@Ben-wh4ci I love you but watch the blasphemy

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

Peter <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="189">3:9</a> 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance

[@sigalsmadar4547]

Everyone and whosoever! Amein!

[@george.s.8491]

From the uttermost to the gutter most.

[@rubenthompson5900]

That refers to the elect

[@russellngiele1886]

@@rubenthompson5900 Where do you read that ? John 3:16 says whoever so anyone can believe but God knows who will believe He didn't push anyone to not believing but He knows they won't believe because they love the world

[@rubenthompson5900]

@@russellngiele1886 read John 6:44

[@frame3139]

All I know is this. Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so.

[@huntersmith3811]

Amen

[@reallydoe2052]

How you know the Bible is tru without the Bible telling you so?please answer

[@pointblanksandwich8284]

Idk? I know He died for us, or you , whatever. But why does his teaching contradict traditional Christianity? Example.. Not everyone who says, but he who does! Example 2.. He who hears my sayings and does them is like a wise man who built his house upon a rock! Fear God! If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you! It's better to be a cripple than to be thrown into the lake of fire! Yea! No sinners prayer..anywhere! It does not exist. What are so called Christians being taught???

[@Tigerex966]

that’s all you need but does not sell books or a need for speaking engagements seminaries and fame and other man making things. The real reformer and reformers were Jesus Christ and the apostles. No need at all for Calvinist or Armenian doctrine to understand salvation. You just have to truly believe confess follow Jesus. Jesus paid the sins of all sinners, that’s his part, our part is we have to believe to have his blood cover our sins. But the full debt for all is paid, and all of mankind has the ability to freely accept or reject God. We can also decide to tall away from the faith if we stop believing, God does not force you to persevere, but he gives you all you need too. So both views are 100% wrong. Take both doctrines away, and you have the true gospel, all other doctrines that contradict or add or take away are false and accursed.

[@margriettalen6713]

What I was trying to say that these theologians have no right that they think that other people are not saved because they don’t agree what their doctrines teach. God is love, period! He send His Son to die for you and my sins. The blood Jesus shed on the cross was full payment for my sins, and not just mine but for the sins of the whole world! I believe that and accepted that! Then I want to tells others what Jesus Christ has done for me. And we are encouraged to do that even by Jesus himself. Look at the Great Commission that Jesus spoke to His disciples. But when someone tells me that God has “chosen “ him to be saved, but cannot explain how or why, I wonder. That person also says that a Calvinist can never go up to a stranger and tell him/her that God loves them! I want to share my faith with others! Let your light shine!

[@boris8787]

I believe in Election because it's taught in the Bible - not because of Calvin or any other man. Also read Ephesians one.

[@shawnhawthorne5468]

The hardest thing about The Gospel is the simplicity of it. God gives each individual the free will to choose Him. We were created in His image. To be like His son, but we have to choose it. His thought and ways are higher than ours, but never forget He loves us perfectly and perfect love allows us to choose Him or reject Him.

[@marcusallen2485]

how do you interpret Ephesians?

[@johanweakley2658]

Great comment Shawn.👍

[@dfischer1709]

So, if we have to choose God, you must then believe man has part in salvation? So, if we are smart enough to choose God, then we do. Sounds like that theory gives us reason to boast. I will go with God first opens the eyes of a sinner, then and only then will I choose God. All God Soli Deo Gloria^

[@johanweakley2658]

@@dfischer1709 this is a topic that sometimes has believers chasing their own tails. Jesus has opened the way for us by defeating death. But God never forces us to choose the road of life through Jesus. He allows us to choose. Jesus never forced the rich young man to sell his possessions and to follow Him. He left it up to the young man, who chose not to follow Jesus.

[@margriettalen6713]

How many times did JESUS say : Follow Me! Are Christians following Christ’s teachings OS man’

[@sol33330]

This verse really says a lot on whether or not Calvinism is correct. - (1 Timothy <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="123">2:3</a>-4) “This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

[@mikewilson7036]

It says all you need to know about the heart and nature of God.

[@mtac99]

This verse is why I am no longer a Calvinist

[@nicholascarter6543]

Exactly. Period!!.. Calvinism is man- made Philosophical concepts based on biblical facts from a limited perspective, understanding and finiteness and it’s quite arrogant AND hypocritical for them to get upset when one proposes another biblical view saying “we are worshiping a “god” of our imagination. Well,they are doing the same that they are accusing “us” of doing! Our views are just different! I think both sides have some truth and both sides have many lies and exaggerated childish assumptions which further require “proof texts!” Stop being biased and just believe the Bible

[@changedman6035]

Well, Jesus only laid His life down for His sheep (John 10), if He laid His life down for everyone then everyone would be saved, but we know that's not the case. He even told the pharisees they weren't able to hear Him because they weren't of His sheep. The Father elects a certain group of people for salvation (Ephesians 1), if He and the Father are one (John 10:30), it does not make sense to put the Son against the Father and the Son dying for everyone.

[@mtac99]

@@changedman6035 Then, it should be no problem for you to offer a clear rendering of the verses that illustrates this

[@maraatkinson7124]

For God so loved THE WORLD... ANYONE who calls on his name will be saved... 🤔

[@nataliareali3214]

That’s what I thought too but according to Calvinism, only a small group of people are predestined to be saved? That doesn’t make any sense to me.

[@kingfobbit399]

@@nataliareali3214 , its called elitist, not elect. NOT a Calvinist BTW

[@nikokapanen82]

Yes but who calls upon His name? Who are being actually saved? Only the ones whom the Father draw to himself. What comes to the rest, Jesus said these words: "“Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” Matt 15:13

[@kingfobbit399]

@@nikokapanen82 you have a disparity between two thoughts. Who calls for him, And Who he draws, Anyone can call out for him, but the Calvinist contends that only people who have been preselected will call out his name. We are drawn (passive) to the light because we know the light is good. The Calvinist contends that we are drawn to him (active) by GOD HIMSELF as a form of preselection, predestination or to be elected (not to be confused with elect). The problem with the Calvinist is that they believe that GOD chooses who he will save before their creation as opposed to all being created the same and like a spinning top spinning and bouncing around, and see where or how it lands. Calvinist do not believe in free will, they think that when Adam sinned in the garden, Freewill was taken away when he was cast out. Non-Calvinists believe free will still exists and that we will either follow what was written on our heart or fall away. Do I think GOD knows what each of us will ultimately choose, yes, do I think he creates us (individually) specifically to be good or bad, No, but does he know how it will turn out, Yes. Active or Passive participation is the root of Calvinistic argument. We are either a glorious experiment or pre-programmed robots. Man (John Calvin) has chosen to create a Biblical problem 1500 years after CHRIST had his earthly ministry and no one brought it up until him.

[@nikokapanen82]

@@kingfobbit399 I believe arminianism is a failed attempt to solve the horrors of calvinism. What is the main problem with calvinism? Why so many are so strongly against it? Because it teaches how God, in the beginning of times, before the world was, being Sovereign and all knowing, predestined most of humanity to do nothing else but burn for ever and ever after a little spark of an imperfect existence in this world. This is so horrifying, so unacceptable that many christians simply cannot follow it. Yet when you look at the arminianism, they actually has the same problem, they also believe that God is all knowing who knows the end from the beginning, they believe that God is fully self sufficient, that he did not need us, creation to come into existence, that He could exist by himself and be perfectly fine where only love, joy and peace would exist. He knew that if he is going to create the world, it would erupt an unimaginable horror pain and suffering to billions of souls and it would become so bad that God himself could no longer fix it out of existence - EVER AGAIN. So God has 2 options, to keep everything in a perfect order, peace and joy forever without creating anything or to take that step and to defile the universe with unimaginable pain horror and suffering which can no longer be fixed even by God himself EVER. Then he goes and decides to take that step and defiles the universe with everlasting horror pain and suffering. So both, the God of calvinism and the God of arminianism are at the same horrifying position, both are responsible for everlasting pain horror and suffering. So obviously this way of thinking is fallacious, not calvinists nor arminianists get it right. Something else is going on what most christians cannot fathom right now.

[@villarrealmarta6103]

Good point about following Jesus and not man.

[@kevinbarton1661]

The Martas - yes . & the problem Is We are too gullible .

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

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[@MD-ww7gy]

Calvinists DO NOT follow Calvin! That is a kindergarten argument for people who DON'T know what Calvinism is.

[@villarrealmarta6103]

M D well they follow Calvin’s teachings. That’s kind of the same thing. The only thing about Calvin I’m not in agreement with is the whole double predestination part.

[@MD-ww7gy]

@@villarrealmarta6103 Calvin's teaching is from scripture though, it's not conjured out of thin air. It's biblical in every sense.

[@kenmannagh7788]

He is just a man with an opinion. Thank God I follow the living Son of God the Lord Jesus Christ and not a man. What is the point of praying for souls....what's the point of preaching the Gospel....what's the point of the death of Christ if God elects certain people to be saved . Sad theology really and scripture taken out of context and misused . Mr. Calvin was just a man with an opinion.

[@kenprice1239]

What's the point of living as a Christian if you know how everything is going to end?

[@TheEndIsNear123100]

Galatians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="374">6:14</a> As for me, may I never boast about anything except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of that cross, my interest in this world has been crucified, and the world's interest in me has also died.

[@TheTrinityDelusion]

Sorry but the world hasn't lost an interest in you. Jesus promised the world would hate you and Paul tells us that the world would persecute those who are godly in Jesus.

[@weobeyjesus4565]

The Trinity Delusion: You read his comment wrong. It does not say the world has lost interest in him. And he is quoting scripture so he is not making a personal declaration, the apostle Paul was.

[@TheTrinityDelusion]

Quoting a verse and then adding your own personal ideas to it does not amount to "Scripture."

[@gailgunderson5163]

@@TheTrinityDelusion Why not? Of course it's Scripture WITH a personal opinion or life experience. KZbin is a place to dialogue. I could list many scriptures (because I've written them down from my time 📖 in the Bible). I have JOY and a lot of scriptures to share to refute Calvinism, but I've decided to save keystrokes and prevent Carpal Tunnel, because they don't care to hear the Christian side of it. I have never met a joyful Calvinist! They're just Bible Thumpers without a heart.

[@Sweetenv77]

@@TheTrinityDelusion yes very true.

[@hellenjones5129]

… I thank my lord for dying for the sins of the WORLD …. AMEN

[@blueoak6550]

Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="613">10:13</a> - "For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." And of course there’s John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="196">3:16</a> - “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Psalms 103 is one of my favorites.

[@aletheia8054]

And Jesus said you don’t choose me but I choose you. John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

[@misternewman1576]

@@aletheia8054 He was speaking directly to his disciples.

[@hymns-hymns]

John 3:16

[@aletheia8054]

@@misternewman1576 You don’t consider yourself a disciple? He was speaking to his disciples for three whole chapters. So does that mean not of that applies to you either? Paul or Timothy or Luke we’re not in the room. Should we count them out too?

[@alightened]

@@aletheia8054 that kind of reasoning is like saying if we’re talking to the people in the room, saying “oh they aren’t people? Should we discount the rest of the human race?” The point your making isn’t the point of the conversation. You’re rationalizing that conversation with a totally different topic. Interesting theory, but seems like a stretch of the Word.

[@cajunmane82]

So much error...Calvinism=Gnosticism

[@MountainFisher]

Define Gnosticism. John wrote his version of the life of Jesus and his letters to combat Gnosticism. If you define it Calvinists are not Gnostics unless you twist the meanings.

[@jordanrutta3054]

John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="196">3:16</a> for God soo loves the world he gave his only begotten son Soo that Whosoever Believeth in him shall not parish but have everlasting life.

[@raymondburris5108]

Calvinism twists Christianity

[@getx1265]

Wow! I'm impressed with a very simple, basic, yet very clear and easy explanation with an excellent wrap up!!! Thank you!!

[@christopherfaustino8318]

what is ur theology?from?baptist?.but are u a trinitarian?

[@bighand1530]

@@christopherfaustino8318 I`m non-denomination.

[@pdxtravis]

ROMANS <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="609">10:9</a> If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

[@dan-lansingmi9169]

It is that simple as you stated. John 3:16. Whoever believes....

[@Tigerex966]

When you finally stopped talking about the man made doctrines people align themselves too. And said Christ alone the Bible alone, that was the truth, and the message. No one needs any man made doctrines from the 1500 and 1600 hundreds, to know that John 3 16 means Jesus died for all sinners, and All sinners Have The ability To come To him.Jew and gentile. Anything else is another gospel another doctrine, though well meaning, it is accursed. And many true Christians died and were killed by those preaching those new depraved doctrine of no grace for you, because they refused to adhere to these extra man made doctrines, they just adhered to the Bible without the followers of the John Calvin and Armenian man made and false doctrines of salvation and determinism.

[@markdelaney8200]

Awesome video. Explanation of tulip was great. The last part is where I totally agree. Get into the word of God and let Him teach you His ways. Thanks brother.

[@randychurchill201]

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[@Charlie-fc7se]

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[@justindavis2711]

Calvanism is basically the belief that God is playing an RTS videogame by himself, with conscious beings capable of feeling pain - in which the end of the game results in the vast majority of those beings being tortured for trillions and trillions of years, without end, by no consequence of their own will. It also claims that God is 'loving'. 😆

[@erickzuniga3113]

It's nutty 🥜

[@salish.nation]

great tone and eaay listening. great teaching voice! thanks for the video

[@ScottCreps]

Thank you, I appreciate the feedback.

[@SpotterVideo]

@@ScottCreps Watch the following KZbin video to see the origin of Calvinism. "Was Augustine the first to introduce "CALVINISM" into the Church?" on Leighton Flowers KZbin channel. .

[@kevinbarton1661]

SpotterVideo - do Acts 1:8 heartily . Very simple . Get ❤️ in your heart for someone else and share it with everyone with Jesus Christ love in you . Don’t waste your money on stuff that is not good food . Let others see the joy of the Lord on you & in you .

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

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[@gordonmcelvany8990]

Calvin, who? I follow Jesus

[@YerPope]

So do Calvinists follow the Jesus of the Bible. Which one do you follow?

[@nietzschesghost8529]

That's a fallacious response. It implies that John Calvin replaces Jesus in Calvinism. Calvinists are Christians in every sense who have a particular understanding of the process of salvation, and that process of salvation became known as "Calvinism" over time.

[@marcusallen2485]

@@YerPope Yes, we follow Jesus of the bible... We call ourself calvinist because John Calvin was a major inspiration in the "interpretation" of the bible, and the word just happened to derive from his name.

[@patrickoconnor9700]

So are Catholics Christian.

[@Gericho49]

​@@patrickoconnor9700 What do Calvinists believe that seem to be common with atheists ? The latter believe we're merely a bag of chemicals in motion. Dawkins says, a bunch of selfish genes, slaves to our DNA evolved for no other purpose than survival and contributing to the gene pool.Taken to its logical conclusion we dont reason we merely react. Some honest atheists (and many Calvinists) say there's no such thing as freewill, called determinism or perhaps fatalism. For the Calvinist, it is not their DNA that chooses/predestines their fate, but a capricious Creator. The evolutionists’genes decide by "natural selection" who survives (gets saved) and who dies. It is just chance who inherits the best genes, who lives (is predestined)or who will be lost. The socalled "elect" (chosen ones) would seem the winners of a chance lottery much like those who inherit the best genes from the gene pool. If Calvin’s interpretations are correct Rom 9 cf.2 Peter 3:9 then it is surely only arrogance to assume one numbers among the “elect” ! how could any finite being presume to know the mind of an infinite God or not lose something (salvation) if it wasn’t theirs in the 1st place? *So this is the God you believe in, who is merely the capricious orchestrator of a salvation lottery, randomly selecting who is saved or perishes?* How could anyone believe God has given you a literal get-out-of-jail pass and thus exempt u from the final judgment (Matt 16:27)? So where is the doctrine of “eternal security” when there is abundance evidence to the contrary? If you belonged to the vine but stop bearing fruit, you will be cut off and thrown in the fire. John 15:2-6 Alas, “do not be conceited” for u will be lost! Romans 11:20-21.

[@The300ZXGuru]

o man you are really botching up this acronym. if you did your proper contextual scripture reading you would know why the word world is mentioned back in the biblical days. Jesus is the one who said it in john 3 16 but upon closer examination we see that Jesus was talking to a Jewish head Rabi. Top of the top of the sanhedren. now this Rabi was under the impression that Gods chosen ppl were is-real. All throughout the bible it makes it clear that Gods chosen ppl were Jerusalem lol this is why Jesus said to Nicodemus ......No silly my elect people are from all over the world not just the Jews but also the gentiles. This is the reason that Jesus says world its just an inclusion word. meaning not just the Jews but the gentiles as well. So the elect are from all over the world.

[@carlosreira413]

Ah, Calvinism. The consumptive Frenchman left us something useful. A label for the recycling bin of scrap theology and historical-rhetorical waste-paper.

[@carlosreira413]

Ah shut up Carlos, I encourage to soften your tone as I have done these past months, in order to speak peaceably with our more Calvinistic brothers. Shame on you!

[@rustedcoin9341]

@@carlosreira413 Why are you speaking with yourself

[@jjgems5909]

@@rustedcoin9341 lol I was so confused 🤣

[@carlosreira413]

@@jjgems5909 We're confused too!

[@kevinbarton1661]

John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="196">3:16</a>&17 . Straight up truth . Uncomplicated Truth . Historically documented Truth .

[@kevinhoneycutt238]

Kevin Barton, John 3:5 KJV, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

[@MD-ww7gy]

Who so ever believes! Where does belief come from? (Eph 2:8) NOT of yourself! It is a gift from God.

[@williamgill_esq.6487]

M D A gift that can be accepted or rejected by one's own free will.

[@jamesvan2201]

John 3:16 according to Calvinism: for God so loved (certain people) that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever (God predetermined to be saved), may not perish but have ever lasting life.

[@jamesvan2201]

@@MD-ww7gy if I force something on you, is it a gift? No. Because whether you want it or not, I'm making you take it. That's not what the bible says. If God determines who gets saved, then there is no point in Jesus' death. Why would Jesus have to have died for our sin if God already predetermined who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

A calvinist doesn't believe you have free will to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior...praying a prayer of repentance and then putting your faith in Jesus like you would have parachute...if you where going to jump out of an airplane, you can just look at the parachute, you have to put it on, by faith you have to put on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be Saved... A reformed calvinist doesn't believe that you have a free will to be able to do that...so a calvinist pastor can't believe in an Altar call because he doesn't believe you can make a freewill decision to follow Christ. . .John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="196">3:16</a> Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="609">10:9</a>-10 Altar Call . . . Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="609">10:9</a>-10... . . . I am not a calvinist or a armenian...I am not a Roman Catholic or a Protestant, what I am is a 1 Century believer in the Way of Christ... Christ Way of Living. Forsake all Luke<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="873">14:33</a> Whosoever KJV then Mark <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="975">16:15</a> because of Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="614">10:14</a>-17 . . .Hodos! I prayed and I asked Jesus to be the Lord of My Life. . . in prayer. A. Admit your a sinner...and your need for a saver. B. Believe Jesus die for your sins...take Jesus by faith to be your Lord and Savior C.Confess your sins and forsake them. . . Whosoever Will! Salvation What is the sinner's prayer? The sinners prayer is a Christian term for a prayer that is said when someone wants to repent of their sin, ask God for forgiveness and state belief in the life, death, and saving resurrection of Jesus Christ. Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="609">10:9</a>-10 says that “if you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.” Millions have come to a saving relationship with Jesus Christ through church services, friends, and family leading them in a salvation prayer. However it is not words in a prayer that save. Jesus Christ alone has the power to save through faith. J.D Greerer explains it well - “It’s not the prayer that saves; it’s the repentance and faith behind the prayer that lays hold of salvation. My concern is that over-emphasizing the prayer has often (though unintentionally) obscured the primary instruments for laying hold of salvation: repentance and faith.” The four examples below of the sinners prayer can help you communicate with God that you repent of your sin, accept His forgiveness, and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. The Sinner's Prayer (by Dr. Ray Pritchard) Lord Jesus, for too long I’ve kept you out of my life. I know that I am a sinner and that I cannot save myself. No longer will I close the door when I hear you knocking. By faith I gratefully receive your gift of salvation. I am ready to trust you as my Lord and Savior. Thank you, Lord Jesus, for coming to earth. I believe you are the Son of God who died on the cross for my sins and rose from the dead on the third day. Thank you for bearing my sins and giving me the gift of eternal life. I believe your words are true. Come into my heart, Lord Jesus, and be my Savior. Amen. If you have prayed this prayer in sincere faith, you may want to put your initials by the prayer along with today’s date as a reminder that you have come to Christ in faith, trusting him as your Lord and Savior. Sinner's Prayer From Scripture - (Psalm 51, King David) “Have mercy on me, O God, according to Your unfailing love; according to Your great compassion blot out my transgressions. Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin. For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me. Against You, You only, have I sinned and done what is evil in Your sight, so that You are proved right when You speak and justified when You judge. Surely I have been a sinner from birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me… Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean; wash me and I will be whiter than snow… Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me from Your presence or take Your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of Your salvation and grant me a willing spirit to sustain me. Then will I teach transgressors Your ways, and sinners will turn back to You. salvation sinner prayer The Sinners Prayer (by John Barnett) The following prayer expresses the desire to transfer trust to Christ alone for eternal salvation. If its words speak of your own heart’s desire, praying them can be the link that will connect you to God. Dear God, I know that I am a sinner and there is nothing that I can do to save myself. I confess my complete helplessness to forgive my own sin or to work my way to heaven. At this moment I trust Christ alone as the One who bore my sin when He died on the cross. I believe that He did all that will ever be necessary for me to stand in your holy presence. I thank you that Christ was raised from the dead as a guarantee of my own resurrection. As best as I can, I now transfer my trust to Him. I am grateful that He has promised to receive me despite my many sins and failures. Father, I take you at your word. I thank you that I can face death now that you are my Savior. Thank you for the assurance that you will walk with me through the deep valley. Thank you for hearing this prayer. In Jesus’ Name. Amen. m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10205075613529921&id=1830882061

[@craigsherman4480]

This is a good explanation of Calvinism. While, I do not agree with it because I believe it places soteriology ahead of Christology. I understand it. Thanks.

[@MariusVanWoerden]

This is how Calvin preached the Gospel FREE OFFER OF THE GOSPEL (Calvin's Wisdom p119-120): "He calls all men to himself, without a single exception, and gives Christ to all, that we may be illumined by him. When we pray, we ought, according to the rule of charity, to include all. God invites all indiscriminately to salvation through the Gospel, BUT THE INGRATITUDE OF THE WORLD IS THE REASON why this grace, which is equally offered to all, is enjoyed by few. Calvin did a phenomenal work with his complete Bible Commentaries in his time all that was available was portions and only explained Spiritually. Calvin never made up the 5 points people later did that against the 5 points of the remonstrants. However they condensed it from the works of Calvin including his Commentaries The teaching of Calvin mainly was a rejecting of the teachings of the Roman Catholic church. Special Salvation by works. Vs. Justification by Faith." Arminius his real name Hermans, Professors in his days made their name sound Latin. One of his teachings against Calvin is that God's plan of salvation came after the fall in Paradise. The argument is that Calvin's At the Time professor Gomaris teaching would make God the author of Sin. However the Bible is Clear about the predestination from eternity. Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="508">8:28</a>-30 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

[@joe_zeay]

Calvinism is Not Christianity. Calvinists worship another god. One that is more wrathful than full of love. Calvinists deny Freewill and blatantly ignore Joshua <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1455">24:15</a>.

[@rockyrichardson8090]

Why would jesus give the great commission? If only a few will be saved regardless of hearing the gospel.

[@mercibeaucoup2639]

WE CALL THAT FREE WILL. GOD BLESS YOU.

[@Project-pq1qh]

The covenant of redemption.

[@mercibeaucoup2639]

@@Project-pq1qh THE COVENANT OF REDEMPTION IN REFORMED THEOLOGY. THE BIBLE SAYS, “[JESUS] IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS, AND NOT ONLY FOR OURS BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.” (1 JOHN 2:2) JESUS ATONING SACRIFICE FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE (HOLOU) WORLD (KOSMOU). THE GREEK WORD ACTUALLY MEANS COSMOS OR UNIVERSE. GOD BLESS YOU

[@billyjackson578]

I don't understand how Arminians say God elected those who he foreknew would choose him, if they were going to choose him why did they need to be elected and predestined?

[@ScottCreps]

Well, I think an Arminian would say that election and predestination are important parts of God's plan of salvation. An Arminian is acknowledging that election and predestination are biblical ideas. Arminians are just defining them differently. Whether you are a Calvinist or Arminian, election is a powerful concept about how God chooses people for service and salvation. Similarly, predestination is a powerful reminder that God has been thinking about us and loving us from before the creation of the world. You might want to check out my video on predestination and election: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fonPZYOqaLJob9E

[@billyjackson578]

Thanks pal.

[@bnltown]

what I don't get, when the arminians say it was based on gods foreknowledge. I agree god sees into the future but what did he see, there are none good, not one, just read Romans 3 and its quite clear. why? because we are all dead in sin. if they just grasp that concept of dead, then election is the most beautiful doctrine that illustrates gods grace.

[@20july1944]

Dave: Who are God's children?

[@20july1944]

Jay and bnltown: Rather than exegeting "dead" (which has at least two nearly-contradictory meanings in the Bible), let me ask if you -- as a believer -- do *not* sin or have sinful desires? I can't speak for you, so I'm asking, but I can say for myself that although some of my sinful desires have disappeared and others have significantly weakened, several are still QUITE vibrant, and I have a free will and I consider myself 100% guilty of my sins. Are you no longer guilty of your sins now that you are a believer?

[@Tigerex966]

Jesus is all you need but does not sell books or a need for speaking engagements seminaries and fame and other money making things. The real reformer and reformers were Jesus Christ and the apostles. No need at all for Calvinist or Armenian doctrine to understand salvation. You just have to truly believe confess follow Jesus. Jesus paid the sins of all sinners, that’s his part, our part is we have to believe to have his blood cover our sins. But the full debt for all is paid, and all of mankind has the ability to freely accept or reject God. We can also decide to fall away from the faith after salvation,if we stop believing, God does not force you to persevere, but he gives you all you need too. So just because you do not persevere, does not mean you were never saved, it simply means you now reject the truth after first accepting it, you became deceived for whatever reason,, and changed your mind, and if you deny Jesus, he will deny you. So both views are 100% wrong. Take both doctrines away, and you have the true gospel, all other doctrines that contradict or add or take away are false and accursed. There are far to many man made doctrines that try to help by adding to the Bible, but they just cause more contradiction and confusion, because their makers and founders refuse to accept they can be wrong, and that without their doctrines, everything is fine and clear, but mans pride and arrogance, and need To feel extra smart with secret knowledge for a select few always gets in the way.

[@sarahdolan2741]

Great video!! Great explanation of Calvinism and wise counsel to confirm any truths in our own hearts with the Word of God. Thank you!

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

GOD IS PERFECT God is perfectly good, He did not create sin or encourages sin in any way, shape, or form. God therefore does not predestine there to be sinners, otherwise God is not perfect and fallible like everyone else. God will eradicate sin in the near future. Matthew 5: 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

[@cultofmalgus1310]

Well I'm no Calvinist but I can see a valid argument in humanity's depravity. Want an example? 75% of Christian men are porn addicts. Heck I'm one of those men and I am fighting that addiction but losing. I am a very messed up person imho because of this.

[@highinquisitorofjigglypuff2689]

Count Asti Just pull out your eyeballs.

[@childinchrist7335]

idle minds are the devil's workshop...get busy.

[@williambunter3311]

Cult of Magus; your honesty is refreshing. All of us are weak in different areas. I think Child in Christ may have a good bit of advice when he/she says to get busy.

[@williambunter3311]

@@highinquisitorofjigglypuff2689 I love your You Tube pen name! Gave me a welcome bellylaugh. Not so sure about pulling out one's eyeballs though!

[@kevinbarton1661]

Well if women would guard their modesty it would help too. The women must be open addicts if they pose nude to be photographed . It is not just a mans problem . But it is very controllable .

[@bjones5791]

So I am pre-determined from the foundation of the world to go to hell? What a great gospel, for the lucky ones. Not such a great gospel for everybody else.

[@Ckphoto80]

Calvinism = God comes down the mountain to man. Arminisiam = men going up the mountain to God. Jesus came down that mountain and ascended that great hill with the cross. Calvinism is true which is really Christianity

[@gailgunderson5163]

No, it is NOT Biblical Christianity. And nobody needs to climb a mountain to get to God! Look at all the scriptures!! We don't need to climb a mountain when God speaks to men through creation.(there's a scripture verse). A sunset, a flower, a rainbow 🌈 etc...

[@dfischer1709]

@@gailgunderson5163 accually those verses are proof of God so no one can claim they did not know.

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

Please pray for peoples salvation...I am not a Calvinist, there is always hope in Christ Jesus. . .

[@His-Story.ForHisGlory]

You mean ask God to violate someone's freewill and open their eyes and ears to the calling of the Gospel? Totally😎

[@aletheia8054]

@@His-Story.ForHisGlory That’s what salvation is. God violating a man’s will and replacing it with his. It’s called conforming to the image of Christ.

[@His-Story.ForHisGlory]

@@aletheia8054 Read my comment again

[@aletheia8054]

@@His-Story.ForHisGlory Yeah. You got it

[@truth7416]

The calvinist says that man is so depraved that he is unable to seek God and then their doctrine blames God for causing sin... John Calvin does.... “thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5) “The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11) John Piper does..... "God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. @-16; John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="543">9:3</a>) and his people’s good (see Heb. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="723">12:3</a>-11; James <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="62">1:2</a>-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . . EVERY CALVINIST I HAVE TALKED TO DOES...... Jews thought salvation was only for them as the elect nation of God and could be achieved through works of the law. Calvinists think salvation is only for them as the Augustinian-elect of God. Ironically they both have the same elitist objections and can’t stand the fact that salvation is freely and genuinely offered to all through faith. Calvinists can even see the similarity between themselves and the Jews who boasted of their election. The irony is literally staggering. Calvinists are the 21st century Pharisees. Calvinism: Satan's way of unloading his responsibility for what he has done in this world and placing it on God.."God predetermined everything and caused everything including evil" If God predetermined everything..that means everything!! And so Calvinism places the blame of anything evil on God.. That is blasphemy..They follow a false god that is responsible for evil. I mean really?!? God gets glory by purposefully creating creatures that are intended to burn and suffer in unfathomably painstaking eternal torment as a way for Him to have glory?

[@lavellekirby4673]

Thank you for sharing, Glad I’m just a Christian. A member of the Lords church, the church of Christ!

[@charlottehayward5943]

Amen

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

“Choose this day whom ye will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: But as for me and my house, we will serve Yahveh (the Lord.) Joshua <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1455">24:15</a> The passage above is from one of Joshua’s final addresses to Israel. After gathering together the elders of the people to Shechem, and declaring unto them all the things that Yahveh had done for them, he sought to impress upon them the seriousness of deciding whom they would serve. Of course, we also have this choice. We can decide to serve Adonai (the Lord), or we can choose instead to serve ourselves and the multitude of vanities that the nations are doting upon. Many in society are wearying themselves toiling and laboring for the god of self, seeking after things that are unnecessary if not downright destructive ... Even the children of Israel had a free will choice in whom they were going to serve . . . John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="196">3:16</a> is a free will verse... I have never called out a calvinist not even once. . .you will make a Free Will choice to serve God or you will not. . .and not making a Free Will Choice is still your Free Will...making that decision. . . So if you are a reformed calvinist, are you making a free will choice. . .? Every thing you do in life is from a free will choice... right down to the color of your socks you wear...or the car you drive. . .or what you will do for a job. . .you could just sit in a chair, but if God has predestined you to become a Pastor ...you still have a free will choice if you will get up from the chair and do the necessary things to become a pastor...you have a free will in everything you do. . .God will not drive your car for you, you have to make a decision to do it...a ("choice")... By not making a free will choice . . .about your salvation, if it doesn't work out for you in the end, the only choice you will have according to reform Calvinism is to blame God for your failure for not making Heaven your home... But if you will Repent of your sins, And put your faith in Jesus for your salvation, like you would a parachute if you where going to jump out of an airplane at 1200 feet, you can just look at the parachute, you have a free will choice to put it on and be saved...You also have a free will choice by faith to but on the Lord Jesus Christ, and be saved!

[@joeystout3214]

I’m not Calvinism Catholic Baptist I’m a follower of YAHUSHUA HAMASHIACH Jesus Christ

[@aletheia8054]

So then this a disciple belies this: Malachi 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Malachi 1:4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

[@mickeyfoeller771]

Ya'll need to realize that there IS another, MUCH more Biblical view! Check out Leighton Flower's book, The Potter's Promise or go to Soteriology 101 to learn about the non-reformed view of soteriology that makes real sense. God never expected us to believe a complete contradiction!

[@williambunter3311]

mickey foeller; Thanks, Mickey. I will check out Mr. Flowers book, and will in fact get my local book shop to get me a copy.. Calvinism is full of contradictions and twisting of Scripture. You are clearly referring to Rom. 9; for some reason Calvinists don't realise that Paul is talking about Israel, and is not teaching about soteriology. I have heard R.C. Sproul lecture a group of students about Rom. 9, and his ignorance is astounding.

[@MD-ww7gy]

No offense to LF, he is very educated, articulate, and confident in his belief. But he doesn't know reformed theology to speak against it. Just because someone writes a book, doesn't mean he is an expert in opposed views. He is biased as are we all.

[@dfischer1709]

better read us The Potters Freedom by James White

[@MD-ww7gy]

@@dfischer1709 I love Dr. White! He takes a lot of heat, but it's because he HAS to stay consistent with his theology. He's not afraid to speak up! Respect!

[@iamgauty3647]

Are you in the Bourne identity movie?

[@bretking1978]

Calvinism sounds a bit like elitism. The Word of God is here for EVERY person to read!!! Let EVERY man be fully persuaded in his own mind! Every person has a soul and every person has the choice to seek salvation.

[@mojo7495]

It's not elitism, it's a simple recognition that we are DEAD in trespasses and sins. That being so, "no man is even able" to come to Christ unless the operating power of the Father is there to turn on the light (John 6:44) in conjunction with the Holy Spirit (John 3:8). "TULIP" is not unreasonable.

[@sylviac.6778]

Yeah, it is elitism. Today one of Satan's finest game plans. Americans are going back to church, young people studying the Bible more, evangelizing over the Internet, so Satan needs to stop this! How, confusion, corruption of scripture with vague theologies, bringing back old doctrines once dismissed as heretical. Satan is excellent at ripping churches, believers, families, friends apart. Too many of today's believers keep studying the traditions ( customs, beliefs ) of man than the authority of God!

[@paulbrennan4163]

​@@mojo7495 You are reading calvinism into John 6:44. Otherwise, how on earth do you get "salvation" from the word "draw"? Look at the entire passage. It has to do with seeing and believing. In verse 25 you will notice that those who were "drawn" to Jesus were those who saw the miracles he performed and came searching for him. Jesus then said to them that they were not looking for him because they saw his miracles, but because they ate of the "bread" which his "Father" had given them. That was what was drawing them, even though they were not aware of it. Notice also that these people were not saved. They rejected the true bread from heaven, in favor of what they had seen with their eyes. Being drawn is not equivalent to salvation. TULIP is definitely unreasonable. It is based on blowing certain scriptures out of proportion and going to extremes with them, rather than keeping them in context and trying to understanding the basic principles they are dealing with. The worst of them all in my opinion is limited atonement. It attributes the works of satan to God giving him the blame for people going to hell. That God wants all people to be saved, and that he has payed the price for everyone is all throughout the NT: Rom 5:18, Titus 2:11, 1 Tim 4:10, 1 Tim 2:4-6, Hebrews 2:9, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14, Rom 11:32. Everything should be established by the testimony of two or three. How many scriptures do you want??

[@mojo7495]

@@paulbrennan4163 A bouquet of black wilted roses to your idiotic statement that Jesus has paid the price for EVERYONE on Earth without exception. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times with no response from people like you: namely, that if he paid the sin debt for everyone on Earth, then those in hell would have had their sins paid for TWICE, once by Christ, and then by themselves throughout eternity. THAT is unjust, and therefore your theory must be rejected. I know darn well the passages you speak of (wanting all men to be saved, etc), but logic refutes your understanding. For example, if he WANTS everyone to be saved, but doesn't get his wish, then he fails in his desire to get what he wants and is therefore no God at all. Ummmm...the maker of Heaven and Earth ALWAYS gets what he wants and doesn't fail in any of his attempts, ever! So a surface level understanding of this verse which seems to convey he wants the entire WORLD to be saved, CANNOT be true upon further investigation and using the means of logic which he bids us to use.

[@mojo7495]

P.B.....You also err by saying I am reading Calvinism into John 6:44. I don't have to read INTO it because it's already there! You just don't like it because it rains on your parade of free will to come to Christ on your own without any quickening influence from the Holy Spirit (all so you can brag throughout eternity that it was YOU and you ALONE which made the decision while God sat out in the grandstands of the universe munching popcorn and simply HOPING someone...ANYONE...would come to believe in the Messiah). As a matter of fact, we DO get "salvation" from the word "draw" because it means to “drag” in the sense of force....and it does not mean to "woo" or "entice". Kittle’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament defines the Greek word used in 6:44 as meaning to "compel by irresistible superiority". As R.C. Sproul says, "Linguistically and lexicographically, the word means ‘to compel’” (Chosen By God, p. 71). This is confirmed elsewhere. In James 2:6 James tells his readers that “the rich oppress you and "drag" you into the courts,” and in Acts 16:19, we find that Paul and Silas were “dragged” into the marketplace to the authorities. In both of these places, it is the same word used by Jesus in John 6:44. Conclusion?God will compel and SUCCEED in bringing his chosen elect to Christ, for "all those whom the Father gives me, SHALL come to me" (i.e., WITHOUT FAIL). A big fat "BOO" then to undergirding your salvation on the sole merits of your libertarian free will ---and the obnoxious thought that while God can do anything, the one thing he CANNOT do is interfere in the free will of man!

[@CliveChamberlain946]

Don't drink the poison - Beyond The Fundamentals just released a 1-hour video *There is NO GOSPEL In Calvinism*

[@mcoz6934]

Impossible!! What kinda bull malarkey was shoveled into a manure pile & presented as "evidence" for such a claim for it to require a whole hour?? Nonsense!! I'll stick with what the Bible clearly says!!

[@CliveChamberlain946]

@@mcoz6934 That's just it, the Bible *doesn't clearly say* what you've been duped into thinking it says. Look at it this way - the Reformers were NOT even close to unanimous on all the twisted doctrines *they now use* to prove we are all just puppets and that God determines everything (pivotal things yes, but most no). Calvinism *was believed way differently* before the School of German Textual Criticism got hold of it (late 1800's). They've had a long time to perfect all the lies, so *you're gonna need at least an hour to focus* and clean the cobwebs out of what you believe about God and freewill (as opposed to robotic determinism, where God even makes people sin - according to John Piper, right down to the way we tie our shoe-laces). You can just walk away from a challenge.. choosing NOT to be Berean about it (it's much easier to blame someone else for any error's, since *you insist on NOT questioning* the assumptions). Here's an example. We've over-looked this one for 1500-years: That little page between Malachi and Matthew that says 'New Testament'. Where do you think Jerome should have placed it? Chew on that for while... (clue: Hebrews tells us what event has to take place before a testament can begin..)

[@pateunuchity884]

@Cliff Matthews That’s a whole lotta no. What SHOULD be do then?

[@yec1JF]

Well made good starting point understanding of Calvinism. I am a 0 point calvinist. :-)

[@gusjeazer]

There are verses in the bible that contradict so much of Calvinist theories.

[@veggiemite777]

Not that I am one to commonly feed the trolls, but as a man of God who has believed and followed the Lord Christ Jesus according to the confessions and sound doctrines as outlined through through the orthodox and sound interpretation of scripture as founded upon the word of Christ, the apostles, prophets, patriarchs, and church fathers/doctors(all being servants of God with a high view of scripture as the only infallible word of God) I must say I find a good number of problems with a number of(If not all of) what the man by the name of "TheWordprophet" has commented here. I myself have been baptized in the Holy Spirit, speak in tongues, and follow the only true and wise God who knows the hearts and minds of all(I don't). I question your fruit, sir. I see mockey, slander, pride, accusation, and aggression in your writings here. If you are in fact a brother in Christ, I write these things as a warning. In the scriptures we are cautioned not to let unwholesome, ungodly talk come from our mouths, but only what builds up the church of God. I wonder, have you even read Calvin's institutes of the Christian religion(with your filters removed, ie- honestly). You will find that it lines up with scripture. Further, the Westminster confession of faith and the City of God are indeed scholarly works of the church, you should read them. I pray that he who has ears will hear. (on a side note, a prophet of God speaks the word of God and if one takes on the role of prophet/teacher/pastor, he will be judged severely for what he said and didn't say, by GOD and not man.)

[@williambunter3311]

veggiemite: You have perhaps eaten too much veggiemite! You do not speak in tongues. You merely gabble incoherently, and you are deceived by your pastors and peer group into believing you are saying something meaningful. If you were to study the bible seriously and independently you would learn that tongues were given for a limited period of time for a specific purpose. Also, try to have a little humility. When you make comments about 'feeding the trolls' you come across as one who feels very superior. Some of what you say in general is correct, but when it comes to the details included within those generalised remarks you seem full of yourself, not full of Scripture. Do you think your rather arrogant warnings build anyone up? As for your praying that he who has ears will hear, perhaps you need to listen and learn before you start issuing reprimands and warnings to others. I imagine you are in a fellowship where people raising their hands and jumping up and down in the pews, exhibiting manufactured emotion and gabbling nonsense is seen as being full of the Spirit. These things are not spiritual, they are merely soulical, and pander to the ego. So may I suggest that you deflate your own boastful pride before you counsel others to do so! I am not saying you are not a believer, but please apply your warnings to yourself, because that is clearly what you need to do. Oh, and you would do well to replace the Institutes with the bible, instead of replacing the bible with the Institutes.. Calvin had a 'pious' way with words, but he also had a way of violence and murder toward those with whom he didn't agree.

[@readJames48]

The GREATEST PREACHER..of "modern times" was a Calvinist...Charles Spurgeon...most of ALL the greatest missionaries were Calvinist. I am a Christian first...and follow the CLEAR teaching of scripture of Calvinism. It's not even close!!!...Dr James White will take any fool on ROMANS 8,9.....Alpha and Omega ministries

[@johncandillo1459]

@Domagoj Golubić well calvin got his ideas from the bible and i find calvinism to be true

[@truth7416]

Voddie Baucham, George Grant, Michael Morales, R.C. Sproul and R.C. Sproul Jr. engage in a discussion about theology and topics. The doctrine of these men is God doesn't want to save you. They say God saved them but not you. Well maybe a few others but not you! No man can come unless the Father draws him. Explained without Calvinist glasses on.... The Bible has taught us that The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are the one true God. Each having a different role with the human race. Yet one God. The Fathers teaches everyone that God exists. Through the creation! Romans1: 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. NO ONE HAS AN EXCUSE. The Father is not the saviour, that is the role of the Son, The Messiah, The Lord Jesus, The Christ! They are taught by the Father as this verse shows: and the Father sends them that believe that God exists to the Son. It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. John 6:45 So when Jesus said that: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6:44 It is simple saying that the Father makes all men aware that God exists and sends those who respond to Jesus. BUT! not all men will respond even though they have no excuse. They know God exists but they made their choice. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools Romans 1:21-22 Paul verifies this to Timothy: This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 The Holy Spirit comes into play in a special way only once a person whom the Father sends to the Son for salvation. Those who willingly desire to be right with God. Those who Repent and are Baptized. JESUS John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. TRUTH IN LOVE

[@otisfugate6536]

It doesn't matter if Calvinism is true, it doesn't matter if Arminiaism is true. Those are just arguments to distract us from the truth of God's Word.

[@rustyshackelford3590]

It kind of does matter since they are arguing about the truth of large biblical beliefs like salvation.

[@digitalviewer]

If God is in everything, like Us, and we are not separate from God's Creation... Calvinism is Incorrect...

[@artifacthunter1472]

You might want to read your Bible because you pretty much know nothing!

[@sol33330]

I believe this verse really says a lot on why Calvinism is wrong - (1 Timothy 2:3-4) “This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

[@chikaonyenze2234]

I loved the way you summed up everything. At the end of the day, we want to follow Jesus

[@DS-ll5fn]

Calvinists have their roots is in gnosticism. And This is paganism

[@davidwhunt]

Thanks for a well articulated presentation. My biggest stumbling block re Calvinism is "Irresistible grace." I'd be interested in your thoughts on Luke <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="449">7:29</a>-30. The way I read it, the sequence is: It was God's will for the Pharisees & lawyers to repent & be baptized by John / they "rejected" this (v30) / they therefore were not baptized. It seems to me in that scenario that God's will for them (to humble themselves & repent) wasn't irresistible. vs 30 explicitly states that they "rejected the purpose of God for themselves" (esv)

[@oracleoftroy]

Do you disagree with the two word phrase, or the full intent from the Cannons of Dort that the phrase is meant to summarize? By itself, the phrase is obviously wrong, but considered in it's intended scope (salvific grace), it makes perfect sense. If we, of our own free will, always choose to rebel against God, salvation requires God to break down our resistance, regenerate our hearts and renew our minds so that we can see our foolish and sinful ways. Once God has done that, our foolishness is so obvious that God's grace is irresistible and we instead seek to love and serve our gracious Lord.

[@yaboibradautry]

Edwards frames it in that God reveals His amiableness, glory, and majesty to us in the moment of salvation that we are unable to resist Him. We still freely choose Him but His glory overwhelms us.

[@truth7416]

Voddie Baucham, George Grant, Michael Morales, R.C. Sproul and R.C. Sproul Jr. engage in a discussion about theology and topics. The doctrine of these men is God doesn't want to save you. They say God saved them but not you. Well maybe a few others but not you! No man can come unless the Father draws him. Explained without Calvinist glasses on.... The Bible has taught us that The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are the one true God. Each having a different role with the human race. Yet one God. The Fathers teaches everyone that God exists. Through the creation! Romans1: 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. NO ONE HAS AN EXCUSE. The Father is not the saviour, that is the role of the Son, The Messiah, The Lord Jesus, The Christ! They are taught by the Father as this verse shows: and the Father sends them that believe that God exists to the Son. It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. John 6:45 So when Jesus said that: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6:44 It is simple saying that the Father makes all men aware that God exists and sends those who respond to Jesus. BUT! not all men will respond even though they have no excuse. They know God exists but they made their choice. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools Romans 1:21-22 Paul verifies this to Timothy: This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 The Holy Spirit comes into play in a special way only once a person whom the Father sends to the Son for salvation. Those who willingly desire to be right with God. Those who Repent and are Baptized. JESUS John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. TRUTH IN LOVE

[@J_a_s_o_n]

@@oracleoftroy problem.is the calvinistic irresistible grace is for particular people and it's by force! 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

[@J_a_s_o_n]

@@truth7416 Calvinism doctrines are false and UNBIBLICAL doctrines of the DEVIL

[@Glace1221]

I guess I'm screwed. Calvinism sounds like hogwash.

[@engagethebroken7698]

It's not. It's just not easy to accept. But it usually gets explained in a bully fashion, and so people usually misunderstand it.

[@thenowchurch6419]

It is hogwash.

[@engagethebroken7698]

So, you don't like the Bible then?

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

Most Christians want to hold onto their idol of free will acceptance of Christ. However, the bible is very clear that all men are dead and hate God unless God brings them back to life spiritually.

[@engagethebroken7698]

@@Cinnamonbuns13 yes! John 6:44 comes to mind...

[@Soshewent]

I feel like Calvinism in a nut shell essentially means determinism. No free will, which follows we truly never would have autonomy in our relationship with God, ever. Elected and gifted with faith...And since we are given as much faith as God chooses to give, how can anyone be held responsible for sin ? Or failing to believe, if only God is the one to enable faith? It just doesn't seem, well, ethical. Calvinism is like having two sons and purposefully blinding one of them and then expecting them both to complete a task which requires sight and then punishing the blind one and rewarding the one you never blinded in the first place. Without free will no one deserves punishment.

[@busybody1474]

Calvinist, If you are telling yourself that you are chosen by God to be saved, should God go golfing on your day of judgement? What judging is to be done since you believe that God has chosen you over others to be saved? As Satan accuses you of every sin, is that just a formality, just a pointless ritual that God will perform?

[@engagethebroken7698]

Truth found in the Bible is never easy to grasp. As far as your sarcasm, not sure anything I can say would help your understanding or not.

[@busybody1474]

@@engagethebroken7698 the truth is in me aka the Holy Spirit... you can keep your biblical wisdom since you fell for that calvinist garbage 🤣🤣🤣

[@busybody1474]

@@engagethebroken7698 since you're gullible enough to fall for this calvinist crap, maybe I can interest you in some toxic waste, half off this week... You can spread it around on your lawn, let your kids play in it.. there's that sarcasm you were crying about

[@reynaldodavid2913Jo]

@@busybody1474, ''Election and Predestination'' is indeed a Biblical doctrine, and it is also Biblical that Only the Elect will be Saved and the rest will be cast to the lake of fire... I am not a Calvinist because Calvinism is a mixture of Biblical Truth and man-made Lies.....

[@busybody1474]

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo election and predestination doesn't refer to your salvation, it refers to God's Kingdom

[@joanlantis4497]

what about the scripture that says Christ died once for all?serious answers appreciated.

[@williamgill_esq.6487]

joan lantis That Is just one of the hundreds of Scriptures that refute TULIP.

[@rustyshackelford3590]

William Gill_Esq. What’s TULIP? An acronym?

[@mrnoedahl]

If you want to be a Calvinist read The Institutes of The Calvin Religion. If you want to be a Christian read the Bible. It's so simple even a theologian can understand it.

[@kevinbarton1661]

Calvinism is not a theological word and it Does not appear in the Bible and please note this fact !! John Calvin was born 1500 years after Jesus Christ ! A handy acrostic is !! “A. C. T. S. !” Adoration of our savior Confession of sin ! 1 john <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="69">1:9</a> Thanksgiving !! Supplication ! 2 Corinthians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="132">2:12</a>-17 is very much the love story of God , jesus, &!us.!! Read and believe And DO IT.

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

The word Trinity isnt in the bible either but you have to believe in it in order to be orthodox

[@2timothy23]

Watched both this video and the one you did on Arminian theology. I appreciated that you tried to explain both sides, though I'm sure there's much you missed on both sides of the argument to represent it well. Remember, two seven minute videos is only a cliff notes version of this Biblical theology which took theologians years to discuss. And I agree with your ending exhortation about studying the Word of God because 2 Timothy <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="135">2:15</a> tells us to do so and Proverbs <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="185">3:5</a> tells us to trust the Lord and not lean on your own understanding. I just found it interesting that in this video you encourage us not to follow either man, Calvin or Arminius, but Christ (which is correct), but you didn't give the same exhortation in your Arminian video. I find it amusing that when speaking about Calvinism, many will say don't follow either system, but they don't seem to say the same about Arminian theology. By the way, Calvin never came up with five points (as you rightly pointed out), but the ones who actually came up with five points were the followers of Arminius. They brought their concerns to the Dutch reformed church and they discussed it for months to come to a resolution. Those that followed a more reformed theology (which was rooted from the reformation) had five counter points to the followers of Arminius. It was much, much later that someone came up with TULIP as a memory aid to the five points of refutation. Calvin didn't sit around inventing five points to cram into the Bible, the reformers took the Bible and debated the five points of the Arminians to come to a conclusion if it held water. Both sides thought they were right and Biblical, and the way to settle the matter is going through the whole counsel of God, not skipping verses or having them duel one another. (For example, taking John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="196">3:16</a>, 1 John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="122">2:2</a>, 1 Timothy <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="124">2:4</a>, and 2 Peter <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="189">3:9</a> and pitting it against John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="397">6:37</a>-44, Ephesians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="64">1:4</a>-5, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="121">2:1</a>-3, Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="485">8:5</a>-8, and 9 to make one side "beat" the other. We must examine all of these verses by content, context, grammar, the nature of man, and the attributes of God to come to our conclusions.) Unfortunately, instead of teaching and exhorting one another, you get social media sarcasm, name-calling, and assertions with little Bible and not much love.

[@matthewhart8125]

Eric Smith Amen. It's the social media memes and sarcasm that get to me most, as it is very unchristian and causes nothing but division, which is exactly what Satan wants.

[@2timothy23]

I agree, Matthew. Regardless which side of the theological fence someone is on in this issue, I am saddened that folks get on social media and start attacking others with little or no scripture. Just the comments under this video proves my point; I've never read such ungodly, hateful words towards anyone that hold to the five points. Instead of just philosophical rants, it would be more refreshing for brethren to take the scriptures and really dig deep into these subjects without clouding it with their emotions. My own son, when he was about ten or eleven, asked me about Ephesians 1:4 and asked honestly, "Dad, if God chose us from the foundation of the world, how does that effect our choice to believe?" He read the verse and took it at face value, but wanted an honest answer. I felt the same way over a decade ago reading the same verse, as well as Romans 9, John 6:37-44, etc. When I asked the same questions, that was the first time I heard the word Calvinism. I didn't even know what that meant; never heard of John Calvin or that term. But I had a few guys at church use that term as I asked about the verses. This is how many in the church are hard-wired. A seeking believer may ask, "Could you explain Romans 9 to me," and they could get this answer; "Oh, you must be a Calvinist" or "You've been listening to Calvinists, haven't you?" Instead of Biblical answers, we get demonizing, name calling that makes folks just keep quiet or they think they'd be stoned to death. I personally don't like these titles, but if a doctrine can be shown in a declarative fashion in scripture, then I have to believe the Word of God since it is inspired and sufficient (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

[@tivmego]

@@2timothy23 It has been a decade now. Have you understood why calvinists are accused of not digging at the scriptures? I can understand that a non-biblical person(someone who has not taken time to get deeper) will take a bible verse on face-value. From my experience a person is drawn into calvinism when they ask about these verses and their local church shuts them down. So they go scooping the internet and viola, it is saturated with calvinists explaining these verses from their systematics. However, if a person is guided by one simple foundation which is God is love, and very rightly , the reason they got worried about those verses to begin with, then any explanation that presents God in an anti-love fashion should immediately be discarded. I had similar issues while growing up as a christian. Asked questions around these verses. Listened to John Macarthur, John Piper, James White, introduced them to my friends but after a while began to doubt their explanations. So, I decided to study on my own, got into greek, Hebrew, watched other theologian opinions on the verses and finally realized the danger of Calvinism: it preys on innocent believers with genuine questions by presenting them with a god that is nothing like the God of the bible. So, Eph.1:4, Romans.9 or John 6:44 might all appear to support calvinists to an unsuspecting eyes but to a person how is careful with the Word of God, those verses do not for a sec support calvinism. This was why I asked you after all these while, have you grown in your understanding of what those verses say or you are still holding on to an explanation you were given by a calvinist when you first encountered them?

[@2timothy23]

@@tivmego No offense, but your comments towards me actually prove my original point. Let me explain as nicely as I can. Before I do, I do appreciate your honesty about listening to MacArthur, Piper, etc. You listened but you checked what they said against scripture (Acts 17:11). That is fine to do. Yet you assume many things about me because you don't like the Calvinistic system (and it isn't about Calvinism, it is about what the Bible says). Your assumptions actually make certain aspects of your comments insulting and accusatory. First, you wrote, "So they go scooping the internet and viola, it is saturated with calvinists explaining these verses from their systematics." But not every Christian does this, and that includes me. I listened to Dave Hunt, Chuck Smith, Charles Stanley, and many others before I ever heard John MacArthur. Outside of my own church, I listened to a varied group of preachers/teachers to get a view. I heard both sides and studied them carefully for almost a year and a half, struggling with it. So you should be careful about assuming that believers don't check both sides and prayerfully come to a conclusion. Second, you wrote, "if a person is guided by one simple foundation which is God is love, and very rightly , the reason they got worried about those verses to begin with, then any explanation that presents God in an anti-love fashion should immediately be discarded." There is no doubt that all Christians know that God is love (John 3:16, 1 John 4:8), but there is a big problem when God's attribute of love is so dominating that we erase other attributes of God to make that the most prominent based on our understanding of love. We have a sinful, skewed version of love and God's love is absolute and derives/starts with Him, it is agape; charitable love towards others that don't deserve it. Our thinking is that God's love is directed and manifested to all equally, but if you carefully study scripture, the love of God is primarily directed towards believers. For example, the love of God for believers can't be separated by anything (Romans 8:35-39), that can't be said towards the unbeliever going to hell based on the verses. We think that God's attribute of love is threatened by His sovereignty, omniscience, and wrath, therefore we lesson these attributes to make love stand out. Well, if you eliminate any attribute of God, He is no longer God. I've heard many anti-Calvinist rants that emphasize love at the expense of other attributes clearly given in scripture; it is dangerous to do. Third, you wrote, "the danger of Calvinism: it preys on innocent believers with genuine questions by presenting them with a god that is nothing like the God of the bible." So every teacher/preacher that you deemed Calvinistic preys on innocent believers with genuine questions? So when they get their answers the Calvinist is presenting them with a god nothing like the God of the Bible? Yet these believers are reading these verses clearly and in context, but they are only getting Calvinism out of it because they have unsuspecting eyes? Did you ever stop and think many believers studied Greek, Hebrew, sentence structure, etc. and came to the conclusions that Romans 9, Ephesians 1:4-5, and John 6:37-44 says what it says? These are harsh accusations to preachers that have faithfully preached the gospel to the lost and taught believers in their congregations, even in the past like Spurgeon, Whitefield, Edwards, etc. And finally, you ask, "have you grown in your understanding of what those verses say or you are still holding on to an explanation you were given by a calvinist when you first encountered them?" Exactly, I have, because I checked those verses by own pastors (who are not Calvinist) and teachers/preachers on both sides of the debate. But at the end of the day, I need to be prayerful and study for myself (like you said you did). And the key to my understanding is this; am I trying to get my understanding from a position of satisfying a incomplete view of God and keeping secure my own view of my will or am I getting my understanding based on the whole counsel of God examining prayerfully God's attributes, the nature of man, and the grand purpose of God from beginning to end. I read my Bible in a year from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 every year until the Lord takes me home (a vow I made to the Lord that is a long story). I've done so for 18 years; this reading is my own private reading/study outside of lessons or preaching (when I am privileged to do so) I do. I grow every day because I love God's Word (Psalm 119) and seek His face. So if your question is honest, then the answer is yes, I grow every day because it is part of God conforming me to Christ's image (Romans 8:29). And this is why I don't label myself a Calvinist, but if a Calvinist has a right interpretation of a doctrine, then I agree with it.

[@tivmego]

@@2timothy23 An accusation is something not proven. I just asked you a simple question, since you now have grown like you claimed, is Eph. 1:4 still about God electing you before the foundation of the world? Is John. 6:44 still about God calling certain people? Is Rom.8:29-30 still about the elect God chose and predestined, called and glorified? I ask because the greek doesn't support any of those men yiu claimed study greek. What they usually do and I have seen this over and over again is to hammer on on a word at the expense of the context and then explain away in a hurry the verses that doesn't have their buzz words and spend time on the verses that have buzz words then they go on into their authors and what they wrote. Over and over again they do this. So this is not an accusation. During the conversation between NT Wright and James White, it became obvious that greek is only used when you don't know it yourself. When you do, they don't dare try to. NT Wright challenged Dr White to a greek conversation, White simply said that is a novel one and not how the fathers used it. The fathers according to him are the 16th century reformers because Write pointed to him the fathers couldn't have been the ones before Augustine in his(JW) context. There is also the debate between JW and Leighton on context and history. James White went into the usual 16th century style of individualism while Leighton was trying to explain the chapter but from the perspective of the entire Romans book. So, no! This is no accusation but obvious facts for any calvinists out there to challenge if they dare to. So, calvinism has no biblical truth and I challenge them with their proof texts if you think I am accusing them falsely.

[@rjcontra]

If Calvinism was true...then there would be no need for a Adversary.

[@Tigerex966]

Calvinism makes God the adversary.

[@andrianolasiman7694]

Thank God for your life for sharing this information. Good to know these things because I was puzzled when someone posted something about calvanism, so I searched for it and here you are. Anyway, I disagree when they teach that only Christians are saved by Jesus Christ and not everyone because God says He did not come for the people who think they are righteous but for those who are sinners who needs repentance. God also says that Jesus Christ died while we are still sinners. We all believe that all of us are sinners therefore all of us are saved by Jesus Christ by grace alone. We are saved by our sinful nature but we are still not saved by God's wrath on the judgement day. God says many are called but few are chosen, because only few responded to God's calling. We are chosen not only because God chose us but also we have a major role also in responding to His will. Such as in the life of Judas, he was chosen by God but still God could not force Him to repent and not to commit suicide. I believe in calvinism it is more about works rather about the grace of God through Jesus Christ. I'm not starting to debate though, I could be wrong and misunderstood this but I totally agree when you said that we should only believe in what Jesus Christ preached in the Bible. God bless everyone and to God be all the glory and praises!

[@andrianolasiman7694]

Amen!.. Praise God! 😇 That is truly the gospel of Jesus Christ! The only good news we should be believing and living! God bless you and your family!

[@margriettalen6713]

Repentance is not taught in the Calvinists church. It’s an automatic forgivenesses.

[@randychurchill201]

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[@nathanlorenzo8550]

@@margriettalen6713 can I ask what you're trying to point out in relation to the original comment?

[@margriettalen6713]

What I am saying is that being brought up in a Calvinist church is that repentance was not highlighted. We were not called to repent, but forgiveness was brought to the people as an automatic result after reading the law. The passage used was: though your sins are as scarlet, they have been made white as snow. I never was brought to an understanding of who I was before I came to the realization that I was a sinner in need of salvation, which was brought about by Jesus’ death on the cross where He shed His blood for sinners.

[@TheMgandra]

Calvinism is ludicrous, check the conclusion: - God doesn't love everyone - God didn't die for all - God is the author of sin My conclusion : Calvinism isn't worth my while

[@RyanGill86]

Marcelo Gandra Calvinism absolutely denies God is the author of sin.

[@skafan89]

they can deny it all they want , but the fact is in calvinism god is the author maker and distributor of sin

[@skafan89]

Dave G false , Christ died for all , God never dies , the bible says that Christ died for all , do you deny that ?

[@edgarnyembwa4717]

How about the passage that says few will find the narrow path and that the majority will take the broader path to hell. Would you say that those who find the narrow path have stronger wills than the others? If so, then a person's fate depends on works, which is what a good chunk of the new testement speaks against.

[@skafan89]

those verses again deny calvinism , God is not putting them on the right or wrong path , and is inline with the parable of the wedding feast , where many were called but few were chosen because they were not ready .

[@reddnewmillennium]

Jesus] is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="122">2:2</a> NIV)

[@manuelvelazquez236]

Great video my brother in Christ!

[@ourlifeinwashington4114]

Thank you for clearing that up.

[@franklee7943]

8 Calvinistic Beliefs vs.The BIBLE : What's The Difference???... Calvinism : Jesus Died ONLY for the Elect alone. BIBLE : Jesus Died for ALL (2 Corinthians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="314">5:14</a>-15, cf. John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="89">1:29</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="393">6:33</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="411">6:51</a>, Colossians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="80">1:20</a>-23, 1 Timothy <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="126">2:6</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="250">4:10</a>, Hebrews <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="129">2:9</a>, 1 John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="122">2:2</a>, cf. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="319">5:19</a>), including those who DENY Him (2 Peter <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="121">2:1</a>, cf. Luke <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1334">22:14</a>-21, Hebrews <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="626">10:26</a>-29, Jude <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="64">1:4</a>). Calvinism : Jesus is The Propitiation ONLY for the Elect alone. BIBLE : Jesus is The Propitiation NOT ONLY for the Elect alone, BUT ALSO for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="122">2:2</a>, cf. John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="89">1:29</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="393">6:33</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="411">6:51</a>), which includes ALL UN-BELIEVERS (1 John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="319">5:19</a>, Revelation <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="190">3:10</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="729">12:9</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="974">16:14</a>). Calvinism : God Gives Saving Grace ONLY to the Elect alone. BIBLE : God Gives Saving Grace to ALL (Titus <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="131">2:11</a>, cf. Isaiah <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2722">45:22</a>, Luke <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="186">3:6</a>, 1 Timothy <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="124">2:4</a>-6, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="250">4:10</a>), but some Receive It in Vain (2 Corinthians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="361">6:1</a>), and Fall Short of It (Hebrews <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="735">12:15</a>), and Pervert It (Jude <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="64">1:4</a>-19), and Reject It (Galatians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="66">1:6</a>, Hebrews <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="629">10:29</a>). Calvinism : God has Mercy ONLY on the Elect alone. BIBLE : God has Mercy on ALL (Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="692">11:32</a>, cf. Psalm 1<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2708">45:8</a>-9). Calvinism : God does NOT Want All to be Saved. BIBLE : God DOES Want ALL to be Saved (1 Timothy <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="124">2:4</a>-6, cf. Isaiah <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2722">45:22</a>, Ezekiel <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1103">18:23</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1112">18:32</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1991">33:11</a>, Matthew <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1417">23:37</a>, Acts <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1050">17:30</a>-31, Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="621">10:21</a>). Calvinism : It is God's PLEASURE to Doom the Wicked to Destruction. BIBLE : God takes NO PLEASURE in the Death of the Wicked (Ezekiel <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1103">18:23</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1112">18:32</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1991">33:11</a>, Matthew <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1417">23:37</a>, Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="621">10:21</a>). Calvinism : God has Decreed ALL Things. BIBLE : God has NOT Decreed All Things (Jeremiah <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1145">19:5</a>/ESV, cf. Isaiah <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="601">10:1</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1801">30:1</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3308">55:8</a>-9, Hosea <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="484">8:4</a>, 1 John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="136">2:16</a>), but He has ALLOWED All of the Nations to Walk in their OWN Ways (Acts <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="856">14:16</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1050">17:30</a>). Calvinism : Election is According to a Mysterious Secret Un-Conditional DECREE of God. BIBLE : Election is According to The FOREKNOWLEDGE of God (1 Peter <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="62">1:2</a>, cf. Jeremiah <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="65">1:5</a>, John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="366">6:6</a>4, Acts <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="143">2:23</a>, Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="509">8:29</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="662">11:2</a>).

[@kelvinnguyen8686]

Context and Calvinism don't mix.

[@kelvinnguyen8686]

Dave G I haven't. Most the time they just yell big theological words at me.lol.So how would you interpet mattew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins."

[@kelvinnguyen8686]

Dave G I just happen to come across calvinsit who use this as a proof text for election. Regarding "his people" as "his elect". But Deuteronomy 32:9 tells me " For the lord portion is his people: Jacob is the lot of his inheritance" Psalms 94:14 makes it clear that "For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance."

[@kelvinnguyen8686]

Dave G I would have to respectfully disagree with you. All five point of calvinism do err greatly, and I myself call it Hersey. There has been some to call the Tulip "The real gospel' or say that you don't really need to know the gospel to be saved, which is a heresy.

[@solafide4054]

Kelvin Nguyen Seriously!?! Context is completely on the reformed side, there is zero context for the other.

[@barrypotterton7839]

Kelvin Nguyen absolute baloney! CALVINISM IS expository biblical teaching, all of it!

[@keithcambra9760]

Calvinism is Augustinianism. It goes back a lot further than the 1500s.

[@mayflower1344]

Yes, the idea of God's sovereignty to the extent Calvinists take it may originate back to the ancient pagan gods of fate. They believed deities planned out the destinies of every human, and humans could unveil their destinies through astrology and other occultic practices. Maybe some of that culture seeped into Augustine's theology.

[@zaharishtonov]

May Flower - Tell that to Apostle Paul when he wrote Ephesians: _”Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as _*_he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world_*_ , that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: _*_Having predestinated us_*_ unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will”_ - Ephesians 1:3-5 And there are many more verses...

[@mayflower1344]

@@zaharishtonov I have no disagreements with the Apostle Paul. We are chosen "in him" (Christ) and are predestinated unto the adoption "by Jesus Christ." Jesus is the elect. He is the predestined. He is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. He is the chosen One. Believers are God's elect because they are in Christ. Paul doesn't say that God planned out all men's destinies and that they have no choice or ability to respond to the Gospel. God is not willing that any should perish, but God's will can be limited by man's disobedience. ("Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41) If God scripted all mankind's destinies, then He would be responsible for man's sin. But God can't be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man. In His sovereignty, He made man in His own image, which includes a will or personal agency. In His foreknowledge, He predestined us to be elect, adopted, saved in Christ Jesus through faith. Calvinism is a real stingy, elitist misrepresentation of the Gospel. The simple truth is: if you want to be a part of the elect, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.

[@zaharishtonov]

May Flower - I am not sure if we are reading the same Bible text or are we just reading into it differently? What you are calling truth sounds a lot more like manmade doctrine to me. I believe in predestination because it is presented loud and clear to all of us in the Bible. Whether or not someone is willing to accept it is another story. If you so want to have some kind of merit or a part in the “choosing” of who gets saved or who doesn’t, well suite yourself. That already gives you a reason to boast about it and I don’t think God allows that. Salvation is a free gift from God. Otherwise is works which would be having to “pay” to receive your salvation. What kind of gift is that? Jesus once said that we are dead (and He is Life). Dead men cannot chose, because they are dead. If we were truly able to make our own righteous choice God wouldn’t have sent us Christ for the remission of our sins. Nothing can _limit_ God, especially us. The proper translation of that word in Psalm 78 is *grieve* or *cause pain* . Read the context of the whole passage and you will see why God was grieved. I really wish you let go of manmade doctrines and start reading The Book for what it is. God Bless!

[@mayflower1344]

@@zaharishtonov It must be that we are reading different text with a different perspective. Because I agree with you 100% that salvation is a free gift, one that is payed for, provided by, and offered by God. Where I disagree with you is that I don’t believe putting my faith in Christ is a work. John 1:12-13 says "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." Look at the grammar. It clearly states that God gives the power of salvation to them that receive and believe. It doesn't say God gives the power to receive and believe for salvation. There’s a distinction. We can't will ourselves to be saved, we can't work for salvation, all we can do is trust in Christ, meaning receive the gift that He has paid for. Receiving a gift someone else has paid for is not "earning" the gift. It is grace. Once we receive and believe, God alone does the work of regeneration. There is no boasting in that. Another thing I disagree with you is that man has no choice in salvation. Man must have a choice because God always presents salvation to us as a choice - believe or be condemned. There is choice in options. Salvation is not a lottery. Rev 22:17 says, "And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Yes, we are dead in trespasses and sin. But John 1:9 says of Jesus and man, “That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” We are all born with enough light in our soul to respond to Christ. Romans 10:17 says, “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” God’s Word, not force, is the means of faith. The Holy Spirit works with the Word to draw us. He calls us, but the chosen are the ones who respond with faith to the call. Some feel the wooing of God and refuse the Gospel. You said, “If we were truly able to make our own righteous choice God wouldn’t have sent us Christ for the remission of our sins.” I think you misunderstand what salvation is for. Salvation is not about our ability or inability to choose God, it is about our sinful, fallen nature. There are lost people who choose to do good, even Biblical things. They have the ability to make some righteous choices. But God calls their righteousness “filthy rags” and not because He hates lost people obeying His commands. It is because sin mars everything about us, until we put on the righteousness of Christ through faith. The Bible says Christ came to save us from our sin - not from our inability to choose righteousness! I read all of Psalm 78, and the idea still stands. God wanted to bless His people, but because of their disobedience and stubbornness, His wonderous works for them turned to terrible chastisement. Of course, we can limit God’s will in our lives! Read Luke13:34. If we couldn’t, every day, every Christian would see greater things than Pentecost in their town. Christians would not sin. Every person would be saved for He said He is “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” The whole world would always give God the glory He is due. Sadly that isn’t happening yet (one day it will!). God has an ultimate (historical and prophetic) will and plan that no man can change, yet God, in His sovereignty, gives man spiritual agency. If there is no freedom or voluntarism in our response to God, it is all a charade. Think of it this way - Would you rather have a person love and marry you from their own genuine desire? or would you prefer a person stripped of all autonomy who is programmed to mimic love and desire? I believe God wants authentic worshipers and followers, not puppets on a string. I think it is funny that you say I should let go of manmade doctrines, when the doctrine you espouse is founded and named after a man. The doctrine of salvation in Scripture is always “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.” When Jesus, Paul, Peter, etc. were asked about obtaining eternal life, they never said, “Well, God randomly chooses. He only died for some. If you’re one of the chosen, you can’t resist. Ultimately, you'll find out if you are elect, if you end up in heaven.” That is basically the Tulip Gospel. Again, I have no problems with the word predestination. Predestination and Free-will are not mutually exclusive, when you understand the foreknowledge of God and that we are the chosen, elected, predestinated because we are IN Christ, Who is THE Chosen, THE Elect, and THE Predestinated from the foundation of the world!

[@doremifasola9416]

The best (and most dramatic) example of irresistible grace is probably the conversion of Saul of Tarsus. He certainly had no intention of becoming a believer in Jesus of Nazareth and his free will was leading him to hell and damnation.

[@DerrickthePinecone]

I love what Chuck Missler once said about this 'debate', and I quote: "At the heart of the controversies between Calvinism and Arminianism is the emphasis on the sovereignty of God by the Calvinists and on the sovereignty (free will) of man - or human responsibility - by the Arminians. Calvinism emphasizes that God is in total control of everything and that nothing can happen that He does not plan and direct, including man’s salvation. Arminianism teaches that man has free will and that God will never interrupt or take that free will away, and that God has obligated Himself to respect the free moral agency and capacity of free choice with which He created us. Both doctrinal positions are reasonable and both have extensive Scriptures to back them up. Both are, in our opinion, both partially right and partially overextended. As Philip Schaff has put it, "Calvinism emphasized divine sovereignty and free grace; Arminianism emphasized human responsibility. The one restricts the saving grace to the elect; the other extends it to all men on the condition of faith. Both are right in what they assert; both are wrong in what they deny. If one important truth is pressed to the exclusion of another truth of equal importance, it becomes an error, and loses its hold upon the conscience. The Bible gives us a theology which is more human than Calvinism and more divine that Arminianism, and more Christian than either of them." Certainly, the Bible does teach that God is sovereign, and that believers are predestined and elected by God to spend eternity with Him. Nowhere, however, does the Bible ever associate election with damnation. Conversely, the Scriptures teach that God elects for salvation, but that unbelievers are in hell by their own choice. Every passage of the Bible that deals with election deals with it in the context of salvation, not damnation. No one is elect for hell. The only support for such a view is human logic, not Biblical revelation (which John Calvin did teach). The concept of total depravity is consistent with Scripture, but the doctrine of limited atonement, that Jesus did not die for the sins of the whole world, is clearly contrary to Biblical teaching. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus died for everyone’s sins and that everyone is able to be saved if they will repent and turn to Christ. Limited atonement is a non-Biblical doctrine. This classic debate, we believe, can only be resolved by recognizing that God is outside our domain of time. The great insight of modern physics is the discovery that time is a physical property. Since God is not bound by the restrictions of our physical existence, He is not someone who has "lots of time," but rather One who is outside our domain of time altogether. While we have complete freedom of choice - within our dimensionality of time - He is outside of that domain and He alone knows the end from the beginning. Thus, it is a courtship between two sovereignties. Election and predestination are Biblical doctrines. God knows everything and therefore He cannot be surprised by anything. He is beyond the constraints of mass, acceleration and gravity, therefore He is outside time. He knows, and has known from “eternity past,” who will exercise their free will to accept Him and who will reject Him. The former are “the elect” and the latter are the “non-elect.” Everyone who is not saved will have only himself to blame: God will not send anyone to hell, but many people will choose to go there by exercising their free will to reject Christ. On the other hand, no one who is saved will be able to take any of the credit. Our salvation is entirely God’s work, and is based completely on the finished work of the Cross. We were dead in trespasses and sins, destined for hell, when God in His grace drew us to Himself, convinced us of our sin and our need for a Savior, and gave us the authority to call Jesus Lord. Is this grace, this wooing, this courtship, irresistible? No, we have free will and we can (and do) resist, even to the damnation of our souls, but God does everything short of making us automata (preprogrammed puppets) to draw us into His forever family."

[@yohancruif485]

No, we have free will and we can (and do) resist, even to the damnation of our souls, but God does everything short of making us automata (preprogrammed puppets) to draw us into His forever family." that still mean God is the one who choose us no matter how you explain it. Salvation is grace alone mean it's a gift that we human , not deserved, if you include free will than you admit that human have/share part in salvation. and for me its contradict with christianity that know. Again no matter how you explain it.

[@MegaTigers01]

Nonsense, both can't be right. The Pelagian view (Arminianism) is antithetical to the biblical record.

[@micheldesjardins9174]

How can God be said to not predestine people to hell, if he only predestines some for heaven and the rest are going to hell by default?

[@jackforester7094]

Right on brother, God gave me a Revelation about this, and you are exactly right, the only way to make sense of this debate is by understanding God exists outside of the dimension of Time. I would argue that limited atonement is partially true that while Christ's sacrifice held the weight to pay for the whole world's sins, the non-elect would choose not to receive it.

[@J_a_s_o_n]

@@jackforester7094 armanaism, Calvinism and Cessationism are false and UNBIBLICAL doctrines of the DEVIL.

[@MithunSharma-ym7em]

These Calvin believed in religious persecution of non believers

[@davidallin6909]

What is Calvinism??? ...That's an easy one....in a nutshell....FATALISM

[@Jason.Detrick]

all 5 points are grounded solidly in scripture and make sense. I afirm them and I don't follow Calvin I follow Jesus.

[@20july1944]

Jason: Is everyone already and unchangeably either beloved Jacob or hated Esau?

[@prayunceasingly2029]

20july1944 Was esau changeable? Or was he a rebel against God all his life never desiring him because that was his nature? He knew the truth but still rebelled. Why do some men heed salvation and others don't if they all know in their conscience and heart of hearts God exists and judgement awaits? How could they freely choose their own eternal damnation. It's utter insanity yet millions of people choose it every day. Many are called but few are chosen.

[@20july1944]

PU: What makes you think Esau rebelled?

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

Well said Jason.

[@20july1944]

Larry: Is everyone already and unchangeably either beloved Jacob or hated Esau?

[@justinj2754]

Please do a video on Monilism

[@biblebill6206]

Predestination has to do with being called to be a Christian which God foreknew before you were born and not everyone is being called . Everyone not called will come up in the white thrown judgement once resurrected and then given their chance . When called in your 1st life you can choose not to take your calling . See count the cost of becoming a disciple verse !!! .

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

A lot of "Christians" really love their Idol of "Free Will" and don't want to accept the fact that they did nothing to aid or procure their salvation.

[@93556108]

By your comment, you must be another devout Calvinist. God commanded approximately 200 times asking sinners to believe in Him and Jesus. If God had commanded then who is supposed to act? Certainly it is man's responsibility and are you suggesting like every calvinist that God had to used his irresistible grace to make man to believe. Surely not but every man will ultimately have to decide for himself (human volition) on whether to accept or to reject God's gift of salvation and man will have to face whatever consequences he chooses, good or bad. These verses and many more that clearly demonstrated man's volition, I quote ; " (Joh 3:19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (Jos 24:15) And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." In Joh3:19 this verse says "men loved darkness rather than the light" thus it signifies man has a choice(human's volition). In Jos24:15 Joshua was asking his congregation to choose whom they were to serve. this verse alone debunked calvinism's theory on total depravity. Freewill is a gift from God as He is not a cosmic rapist. Thanks

[@williamgill_esq.6487]

The Bible from beginning to end confirms and is all about free will. Yes, mankind has a sin nature but mankind also has complete free will to do good or to do evil, and say yes to Christ or say no to Christ.

[@Creshex8]

@@93556108 wicked men make wicked choices, dude. Commanding them to be good, when they are by nature wicked, isn’t going to give them the power to do good. Leopard and the spots.

[@93556108]

@@Creshex8 We know that, when John writes that believers do not continue to sin, he is not referring to sinless perfection because of what he writes elsewhere in the same epistle. To believers John says, “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8). So, we are all sinners, and we continue to struggle with sin even after we are saved. We will never know a total absence of sin until we are with the Lord in glory: “When Christ appears, we shall be like him” (1 John 3:2). Your comments explicitly confirmed you are just an atheist and do not know the power of the cross.

[@Creshex8]

@@93556108 WHAT? Discernment isn’t your gift, certainly. So an atheist can believe in tenets of theology that require I believe in God, yet I am also by definition someone that doesn’t believe in God? Okay.....

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

I have been predestined to be saved, but it was my choice if I would be a not . . . 2 Peter <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="189">3:9</a> The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

[@hwangzhu5924]

If it's your choice then are u saying you are more Sovereign than God?

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

@@hwangzhu5924 I am saying that God's grace is not limited it is available for everyone, and anyone can be saved if they'll repent and put their faith in Jesus like you would a parachute if you where going to jump out of an airplane... You can't just look at the parachute, you have to put it on... put on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved....If you believe God created some of mankind to burn in a devil's hell, with out any hope of salvation... And it's God's will that some people have no hope of salvation ...if you believe this then you are believing in a different God...then the one that is God Almighty in Christ Jesus of the bible... 2 Peter 3:9 “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” .

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

Thy faith hath saved thee ..." Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." L = LIMITED ATONEMENT (Calvinism teaches that Christ died only for the elect, but the Bible teaches that He died for all mankind.

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

@@hwangzhu5924 Calvinism is a man made philosophy depending on fallible human logic which total ignores many clear Scriptures, perverts many, and misuses others. Long before John Calvin's time the teaching was presented by the Roman Catholic heretic Augustine. Here are some Scriptures soundly refute the errors of the Calvinist TULIP: T = TOTAL INABILITY (Called in Calvinism, Total Depravity, but actually taught as the Total Inability of man to choose Truth. The Calvinist plays many such word games. The Word of God teaches that God created man with the ability to reason, choose, and receive Truth.): Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Romans 10:17: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." James 1:21: "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and RECEIVE with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls." Isaiah1:18: "Come now, and let us REASON together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Deuteronomy 30:19: "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed may live." Joshua 24:15: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Psalm 119:30, 111, 173: "I have CHOSEN The Way of Truth: Thy Judgments have I laid before me....Thy Testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for They are the rejoicing of my heart....Let Thine hand help me; for I have chosen Thy Precepts." John 1:12: "But as many as RECEIVED him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." 2 Timothy 1:12: "...I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have COMMITTED unto him against that day." Preaching the Gospel is the ordinary means of salvation; faith in Christ is the result of hearing the word, the doctrine of God preached. Preaching, God sends; if heard attentively, faith will be produced; and if they believe the report, the arm of the Lord will be revealed in their salvation. U = UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION (Calvinism teaches that God selects those who are to be saved without any condition, but the Bible teaches that there is one condition to salvation: faith.): 1 Peter 1:2: "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ..." 2 Thessalonians 2:13: "...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth." Luke 7:50: "... Thy faith hath saved thee ..." Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." L = LIMITED ATONEMENT (Calvinism teaches that Christ died only for the elect, but the Bible teaches that He died for all mankind. The reason not all are saved is because they failed to repent and receive the Saviour, not because He didn't provide for their salvation.): Isaiah 53:6: "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us ALL." 1 Timothy 4:10: "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe." 1 John 2:2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD." Hebrews 2:9: "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY MAN." 1 Timothy 2:4: "Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the Truth." Universal vs. Limited Atonement Some Calvinists will argue that a universal principle does exist in the atonement. The death of Christ, they say, has secured many non-redemptive benefits for mankind in general. This they frequently sum up under the heading of "common grace." Boettner writes: "God makes His sun to shine on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust. Many temporal blessings are thus secured for all men, although these fall short of being sufficient to insure salvation."16 Where do the Scriptures ever state that temporal blessings in the natural realm - sunshine, rain, etc. - were secured for mankind by Christ's death? There is not a shred of evidence for this idea; it is entirely philosophical and conjectural. In the debate over the extent of the atonement, Calvinists will point to Scriptures connecting Christ's death to a specific people: his sheep (John 10:11); his friends (John 15:13); "many" (Heb. 9:28). Arminians will produce passages indicating that Jesus died for the "whole world" (1 John 2:2); "all" (2 Cor. 5:15); "every man" (Heb. 2:9). These texts can be harmonized when we consider that the redemptive benefits of Christ's death are both specific and God has placed the life-giving fountain of Christ's blood in His Church. Our Lord "loved the church and gave himself up for her" (Eph. 5:25). The Church was "bought with his own blood" (Acts 20:28). That makes the atonement of Christ specific; it was for His Church. But the atonement is universal in the sense that the Church's gates are wide open to "everyone who calls" (Rom. 10:13), to "him who is thirsty" (Rev. 21:6), to "all you who are weary and burdened" (Matt. 11:28). The invitation to believe, be baptized and enter the Church extends to "every tribe and language and people and nation" (Rev. 5:9). In that sense, the atonement is universal and available to all. Or, looking at in another way, Christ's blood is "the blood of the covenant" (Matt. 26:28). Jesus died for those in the covenant of grace, not for those outside of it. Is that fatalism? Not at all. Anyone may enter that covenant by becoming a Christian. It is open-ended. The atonement, therefore, is both limited and universal. It is both specific and general. I = IRRESISTIBLE GRACE (Calvinism teaches that God's grace for salvation cannot be resisted, but the Word of God says it can be resisted): Lamentations 3:35-36: "To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the most High, To subvert a man in his cause, the Lord approveth not." Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!" John 5:39-40: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life." Acts 7:51: "Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always RESIST the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." Proverbs 1:24-26: "Because I have called, and YE REFUSED; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh." Proverbs 29:1: "He, that being often reproved HARDENETH HIS NECK, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." P = PERSEVERANCE (The Bible teaches preservation of the saints; not perseverance of the saints): Jude 1: "... to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ..." 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly: and I pray God your whole spirit and soul, and body be PRESERVED blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. " John 10:27-29: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand." Colossians 3:3-4: "For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory." Hebrews 7:25: "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them." CONCLUSION: Calvinism clearly errs from the teaching of the Word of God on all 5 points of it's TULIP. The logical conclusion of Calvinism is that God is an unfair respecter of persons who chooses people to salvation, not according to any standard that He established, but arbitrarily. This strikes at the love and justice of God, contradicts the fact that Christ gave his life for ALL, and rejects man's responsibility to choose and love his Creator. Proverbs 24:23: "... It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment." Acts 10:34-35: "... Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him." John 6:28-29: "... What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? ... This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent. Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

[@hwangzhu5924]

Better read Romans 9 mate.

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

If a calvinist sins, was it God's will that he sinned... or did he have free will in making a decision to sin or not. . .? Ephesians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="64">1:4</a> KJV 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: ... I looked up the word "US" ...in my Strong's concordance for Ephesians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="64">1:4</a>... "US" is not a limiting word..it means "US"... God has predestined everyone of "US" to be saved....but he love "US" so much that he gave "US" a Free Will choice, "Whosoever Will".... John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="196">3:16</a>: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="198">3:18</a>: “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="216">3:36</a>: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="324">5:24</a>: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="395">6:35</a>: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="400">6:40</a>: “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. “ John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="407">6:47</a>: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="458">7:38</a>: “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="504">8:24</a>: “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="685">11:25</a>: “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="686">11:26</a>: “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="766">12:46</a>: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="987">16:27</a>: “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.” John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1231">20:31</a>: “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” Acts <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="141">2:21</a>: “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Acts <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="314">5:14</a>: “And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)” Acts <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="492">8:12</a>: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="493">8:13</a>: “Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.” Acts <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="517">8:37</a> (<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="515">8:35</a>-38): “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” Here are just some of the verses that say we are saved by faith.... So when will you repent of your Calvinism and be saved by faith in Jesus name... Calvinism can not save you, you need to repent of your sins, then put your faith in Jesus like you would a parachute if you where going to jump out of an airplane, you can't just look at the parachute... You have to put it on...by faith put on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved... Your teachings of Calvinism is not correct... You would be correct if there wasn't other verses that talk about free will... Did Jesus have Free Will or was he predestined to die on the cross without any choice? Jesus said no man takes my life, I give it up...freely. John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="618">10:18</a> Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="573">9:33</a> 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. "whosoever" believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Anyone, it's not a limiting term to them that have been chosen... Whosoever...anyone all people. 3956 strong's greek concordance "Whosoever" all (731), all the things (7), all...things (1), all kinds (1), all men (14), all people (4), all respects (3), all things (126), all* (1), always* (3), any (16), any at all (1), anyone (3), anything (3), anything* (1), continually* (6), entire (4), every (128), every form (1), every kind (9), every respect (1), every way (2), everyone (71), everyone's (1), everyone* (1), everything. Everyone, Whosoever...is All that choose to believe... it's not limiting to them that have been chosen it's available to All peoples....

[@StevenDuBeau]

Calvinism and Arminianism see different sides of the same coin. It's not a reason to bite and devour one another. I've been a member of each and there are saints in both camps. Easy believism (just say a prayer and sign here) and works based faith (you have to do this and this to earn God's favor) are your enemies. A true believer has had his eyes opened and we know Him. Once I saw the Lord, I can never go back. I love Him. I fear Him. I want to be His. I want to read His Word and trust it in a dying world. I've been disobedient, I've repented, I see that constant struggle when I try to conform to His image and we can never quite reach it in our corrupted flesh which will one day die like a seed in the ground and sprout forth the new body He promises us all. Singling out verses won't work. The other side will quote his verses right back at you. We have to read the whole bible and believe it all. The more we try to figure it out, the more we see that God's wisdom is unfathomable. But He said we would know we are His by the love we show to one another.

[@samgreen9871]

Wow thanks you really shed some light on some of the thoughts I was struggling with godbless 🙏

[@MrPatdeeee]

"What Is Calvinism?" Great question kind Sir... For here we go again! IE: Just about every belief in all of the "religions"; have many different thesis'. Oh indeed. This means; NO one can say (with any credible evidence) of any thesis. You say, "Well, the bible is "innerant and infallible"; so use it". Oh really! They have been trying that for 'circa 2,000 yrs; and each "denomination" says, "We are right and all the others are wrong". Further they say, "We get it from the bible". But they ALL say that. And that is why there are over 3,000 Denominations in the world; debating and arguing what the bible says. Just ONE example... The "Methodists" says, "One can LOSE their Salvation and the bible proves that". Yet the "Baptists" say, "NO one can lose their Salvation" and the bible proves that". And this has been going on for more than one thousand yrs. Sadly, there are myriads of debates; on just about every thesis known. Sad indeed. May Jesus have mercy on us. IE: If you ask what is "Calvinism"; you are apt to get a lot of different answers. Scroll down and listen to them argue and debate below. Ridiculous. Since there are many thesis'; I might as well tell you what I believe about Calvinism. Could I be wrong? ABSOLUTELY Yes! But then all others could be wrong too. So here it goes (I think, lol).. John Calvin (July 10, 1509 - May 27, 1564); was a French theologian, pastor and reformer in Geneva; during the Protestant Reformation. He was so dynamic and popular; that he became an Evangelist "Extraordinaire!". Where millions loved him. Even, unto this day; all over the world. And still growing. He created an "acronym", AKA: T.U.L.I.P., which stands for total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints. Each one had a number of meanings. The two most popular were: 1. "Once Saved Always Saved". 2. Everything is "Predestined" from Creation. End of Story... ...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!

[@BibleLine]

You can believe in OSAS and refute Calvinism kzbin.info/www/bejne/hn6ZcnqiZ5uEnNE

[@truth7416]

I see that in the comments people are waking up and throwing the demon spirit of Calvinism under the bus where it belongs!!!!

[@margriettalen6713]

Christ died for all. Not everyone WILL believe and ACCEPT that. God is love. He still loves those people who reject Him. The Calvin followers cannot distinguish the sin from the sinner. Love is on their conditions,not God’s.

[@truth7416]

@@margriettalen6713 BIG SMILE! YES! WELL SAID.

[@nataliareali3214]

@@margriettalen6713 See that’s what I thought. Jesus died for everyone and given that we have free will, we choose whether or not we want to accept Him as our savior or not. I’m new to Christianity and idk how I feel about this Calvinism view.

[@margriettalen6713]

The Calvinist does not believe they are given a free will. They only focus on the statement that they are dead in their trespassing and sin. Cannot get beyond that. “ For as many as received Him, He gave them the right to be called the son of God.” This son relates to people, not to Jesus, as He was to be received by the believers. This can be confusing to some, especially those who have not received Holy Spirit. When they receive Jesus as their Savior, and also as their Lord, only then can Holy Spirit be given. Many people are still thinking they are self sufficient. As Christians we are totally dependent on God. Live in total surrender to God, and your whole life: ie thinking,(renewing of the mind), will ( becoming aware what God wants to do in our lives, and then obeying Him), and emotion ( they no longer control our actions). Then the fruits of the Spirit will be manifest in you! And others will start seeing the change in you. Remember, we do not change ourselves, God does by His in dwelling Spirit. Yes, Grace, it is truly amazing!

[@truth7416]

@@margriettalen6713 I highly recommend you look up "What Love is this" Dave Hunt. Also go to Soteriology 101 Dr Flowers and listen to many of his teachings. You WILL know what the true Gospel really is there. You will be healed I promise you!

[@goatamongsheep4296]

Bible thumpers need to read their book with an open mind, and draw their own conclusions. There are messages and themes that go totally unnoticed while "experts" examine in minute detail their personal tree while never really seeing the forest. I suggest a detached overall view, "remote viewing", if you will, and allow yourself to sense the scope of what has been written. Two distinctly different religions are described, with many opposite ideologies. (vengeance vs. forgiveness e.g.) The gateway to Understanding might be Humility...someone who gives the indication that they are The Authority, that they know it all, is simply one who has stopped learning.

[@jaygee2187]

rick m you have no idea what you’re talking about.

[@thatguy5844]

rick m Allah is God and Muhammad (PBUH) is His final Messenger and Prophet.

[@jaygee2187]

Joe Felgendler you worship a pagan moon god that doesn’t exist and this ‘prophet’ of yours was a sadistic pedophile inspired by demons.

[@Creshex8]

You sound like a Wiccan quack.

[@oldtimedrumcorps]

Well there goes the idea of bound conscience . we do nothing, its not a thing we can do God Selects certain souls, the rest can jump in the lake of fire . Does God not love everyone, all his creation ? The rest be damned ? For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. So then why do we need Jesus sacrifice .? "Oh lamb of God (lamb, sacrifice, ransome) for what for whom )? You and I; and ALL believeth in Him WHOSOEVER , that takest away the sin of the world . Glory be to God .

[@michaelmannucci8949]

And if you look below, you will find a large group of people who think they understand Calvinism, but really only know their straw man version of it.

[@MD-ww7gy]

AMEN!

[@defendingthefaith.7889]

I was told by a Calvinist. You just understand Calvinism. I said. Calvinist don’t understand Calvinism. Calvinism is all over the place. And it shows up about every decade. Then goes away again.

[@raymatthews4319]

That's their favorite reply to those who disagree with them, along with strawman.

[@jackshadow325]

Calvinism is the belief that God created the universe in order to display all of his perfections, which includes his wrath. Therefore many were chosen to be subjects of that wrath. It is power displaying power for the purpose of displaying power. Thankfully the bible does not teach Calvinism. The terms “election” and “predestination” do not refer to salvation - they refer to calling, service, and the destiny of believers. Calvinism and Arminianism are two sides of the same coin and are stunted understandings of God and the Christian faith. Leave them behind and grow into proper Christian maturity.

[@TheFinalJigsaw]

The amount of times I've heard " I'm not a follower of John Calvin, I'm a follower of Jesus" Calvinism is the word used to describe the truth of election. Calvinists are not followers of Calvin, we are followers of Jesus. The 5 points are true.

[@Madcow7777]

No that’s the problem. He cannot believe in Calvinism and believe in election. They’re mutually exclusive exclusive

[@Jelisaamazing]

This calvinism feels so wrong to me. William Lane Craig isn't calvinist

[@alexanderw.1003]

But Calvinism is true. Your feelings don't matter.

[@matthewhart8125]

Alexander W. Feelings have no say in anything? When I encounter something wrong, I don't just intellectually understand it to be wrong, but there is a certain feeling I get when encountered, such as anger or disgust etc., as we are more than just purely rational machines. To say that feelings "don't matter" is quite a serious assertion, and can be used to justify saying anything, to anyone, without regard for their feelings. Feelings may not have the ultimate say in matters of truth, and one should not place trust in them, but often we feel a certain way for a reason. They are indicators. One may accept a doctrine as it makes rational sense, and so they assert it to be true, but is in fact completely false. Also, to claim that Calvinism is the truth is a bold claim, as Arminians are equally as convinced in their point of view, and can still be devout Christians. Don't be so confident in any "-ism", as we will not know for sure how things work. Only God does. God bless

[@alexanderw.1003]

Calvinism is the biblical understanding of the Gospel. Deal with it. Jesus says: "You did not choose me, but I chose you..." (John 15,16) John 6,44: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day." And read Ephesians 1! The most people are on the broad way to hell. Only a few people will be part of God's Kingdom. "For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matt. 7,13-14)

[@alexanderw.1003]

And don't forget Romans 9! Jacob I loved, Esau I *hated.* etc.

[@AlexValdo]

@I have good news :3 haha

[@truth7416]

I have found the ultimate explanation of Calvinism. Its on you tube. Search " Hitler and Calvinism" You will be glad you checked it out. Truth in Love

[@artemusbowdler7508]

As a Calvinist, you can never know if you are one of the elect. 10 years from now, you might decide to dispense with your faith which according your belief means that you were never one of the elect in the first place. Consequently, you cannot with certainty claim the promise that God will keep you to the end because those promises are for the elect, and you might not be one of the elect. The only way that you can know that you are one of the elect is when you walk through the pearly gates after you have taken your last breath.

[@junesilvermanb2979]

Assurance of Salvation

[@artemusbowdler7508]

@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC How do you know if you are one of the elect? What is your proof? Is it works (confession and good behavior are works)? Please enlighten us.

[@artemusbowdler7508]

@D LDN Your question is loaded;. If I answer one way, then you will proclaim that my response proves Calvinism. If I answer another way, then you will proclaim that my answer proves Calvinism. I find that this line of questioning is dishonest.

[@artemusbowdler7508]

@D LDN How so?

[@CalledHigher-ib8ce]

My first name is Calvin,but im not a Calvinist

[@johndisalvo6283]

Calvinism is ANOTHER GOSPEL. Gnostic garbage! Christ died for ALL and ANYONE CAN BE SAVED! Galatians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="68">1:8</a>

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

When you get to Heaven, you can claim you were chosen. But don’t live a sinful lifestyle now, die and end up in HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!, and say “I guess I wasn’t chosen”. Don’t play Russian roulette with your life (Gamble). Therefore, Repent and Believe the gospel today.

[@bighand1530]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Godly repentance, not Judas repentance.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@bighand1530 LUKEWARM CHURCH/ENDTIMES CHURCH The end times church is partly Godly and partly Wordily, so they are fake and go to hell like everyone else who doesn’t believe. Revelation 3: 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither [a]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

[@tammyaylesworth7336]

I understand but yet it just goes around in around in a circle to me. I know Jesus Christ is Lord. He's the Father Son and Holy Spirit. I believe I am saved by God's grace. I need not do good works alone. Why such a debate over calvinism.Has this messed up people's belief in salvation because it kinda sounds warped. I'm 53 I knew about Calvinism and Martin Luther. But has this caused division in the belief of people going to college. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems young people use it as a excuse not to believe in anything. I don't believe in predestination. Yes God chooses everyone it's just up to us to find the right thing. have a former JW in the family and wow listening to the story is scary. even my child is having issues with what he was brought up and it wasn't religion that got a hold of him .It's the education in college. I don't believe people can actually think for their self anymore. Google is the answer. I pray for my son and the JW and she's a great person. I only paid attention to God and his word without dissection of everything in life. Don't understand all this

[@ScottCreps]

I think this is all a matter of perspective. What are the most important things? Jesus is the Son of God. Salvation is by God's grace, not works. These are the big, important issues. Calvinism and Arminianism is much less important. It's an issue that Bible-believing Christians debate. But it's not on the same level as those other issues. Hopefully, Christians can agree to disagree on certain issues, like Calvinism and Arminianism, and come together under the cross.

[@vidsofMad]

Tammy, Jesus is not the Father and he is not the Holy Spirit. That should be your problem first! Study the Trinity.