What is Equality of Outcome

Often misinterpreted, equality of outcome has real-world results affecting us through positive discrimination and affirmative action.
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[@MisterTutor2010]

The problem with equality of outcome is that to achieve it, you have to deny equality of opportunity.

[@rickiovine2170]

MisterTutor2010 : How ‘deny’? If getting hired is based on who is best qualified those less qualified are not being denied opportunity. The key here is to understand that this applies within this specific circumstance. A person denied a position at the Mayo Clinic may be offered a similar position at the Rex Wellness center. You can still be a fine nurse or surgeon at health institutions that do not bring in the brightest and most qualified, i.e. Harvard as opposed to University of Richmond grads.

[@carewser]

Yup, it basically requires stealing in order to level the playing field because those boxes have to come from somewhere

[@xImBeaST12321x]

@@KEGS211 you could argue that distribution model is shared within a communist political ideology, but its not "literally communism", not even remotely

[@xImBeaST12321x]

@@KEGS211 you have no idea what your talking about, I have just enough information to know you don't know what your talking about 😂here is the marxist "utopia", "In fact, the realm of freedom actually begins only where labor which is determined by necessity and mundane considerations ceases; thus in the very nature of things it lies beyond the sphere of actual material production." Of course how do we get there though? well traditionally in Marxism-Leninism "communism", "A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access[1][2] to the articles of consumption and is classless and stateless,[3] implying the end of the exploitation of labour." So, its a planned economy, where production is controlled by the people though some sort of government........ here is something to think about "Many aspects of a communist economy have emerged in recent decades in the form of open-source software and hardware, where source code and thus the means of producing software is held in common and freely accessible to everyone; and to the processes of peer production where collaborative work processes produce freely available software that does not rely on monetary valuation. Michel Bauwens juxtaposes open source and peer production with "market production" needless to say, this video is not "literally communism", if you want to say its communists, then you'll need to make some sort of argument, but honestly the ethicality behind this is very profound and is THE UTOPIA. Its just a lot harder to get there then people think. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state#:~:text=Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism%20remains%20the%20ideology,a%20single%2C%20centralized%20party%20apparatus. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_society

[@Kingury]

@@xImBeaST12321x what a bunch of nonsense. Open source software can be provided by me and you. It's completely decentralized. Sharing doesn't equal communism. Open source software can only be provided thanks to capitalism and the free market. It is not owned by government or any sort of centralized institution. It can only thrive when used within a capitalistic system.

[@ARON_1100]

Who is here after listening to Jordan peterson... HIT LIKE

[@julifer9211]

So jordan peterson is right when he said... (Got you didn't I?)👍👏👏👏👏👏

[@worldview_kyp]

Careful saying his name, it tends to start a war 😂

[@julifer9211]

@@worldview_kyp after Trump they will go after jordan peterson next. Obviously the government in the US is starting to show they control everything and the government together with most of it's people are corrupt.

[@mrteiijr]

@@julifer9211 true

[@xImBeaST12321x]

@@julifer9211 the people aka the citizens who vote?

[@julifer9211]

@@xImBeaST12321x the government is looking out for their own interests not the people aka citizens. It was for told over 8000 years ago that the governments of the would would come together to control the people aka citizens in each nation. To display their power they will make laws to kill people aka citizens. Until they get what they want. To become god. They will never achieve it because the real God will come to kill them just like they kill the people aka citizens. What has happened and what is happening and what will happen is all old news it's been written down and so far it's 100% accurate.

[@sovietunionjack1505]

It's amazing .. we spent decades protesting apartheid and quotas based on the colour of your skin in South Africa, only to willingly allow equality of outcome and quotas over here? Equal Opportunity should be based on talent ...Nothing else.

[@mattygroves21478]

*"we spent decades protesting apartheid and quotas based on the colour of your skin in South Africa"* What quotas were in place in South Africa under apartheid? Wasn't apartheid the antithesis of quotas?

[@sovietunionjack1505]

@@mattygroves21478 Good point .... there were most likely no quotas other than that which 100% excluded one skin colour from the opportunities another had full access to. But nevertheless, we now find ourselves with quotas for how many of one colour will balance the mythological exclusion of another and that means excluding our greatest resource :- Talent.

[@mattygroves21478]

@@sovietunionjack1505 It's quite a stretch to call that a quota in action, but I realise you're only kidding. So setting aside apartheid Africa as the red herring it is. Have you any examples to offer, of current quotas based upon skin colour? One caveat though, the example must exist in reality.

[@sovietunionjack1505]

@@mattygroves21478 Yes. My friends kid was prevented from joining the polo team at his school near Durban. Only reason - he's white. My friend pulled his kid out of the school joking to the head saying ... how about if I bought a black horse ... will that suffice?

[@TopGun_-]

Imagine if every NFL team were told, at the beginning of the season, that all teams were going to be given a record of 8-8, every player will receive the same salary, and every team will get a Super Bowl trophy. Now, in your head, imagine the utter decrease in effort that would be put forth by the players. Who the hell would risk getting injured knowing that they would receive the same result at the end of the season. Imagine how this would completely “DESTROY” the NFL and its excellence. Another example... Imagine at the beginning of the school year, the teachers at one school tells all their students that there will no longer be A’s B’s or F’s, etc. every student will get a C+ average at the end of the year. Could you eventually see the effort amongst the students decline drastically? Could you under that this would eventually cause the reputation and stature of the school to become an utter failure? If you hated a school, this would be the sure fire way to destroy that school. If you hated the NFL , this would be a sure fire way to destroy the league. If you truly hated America and wanted to destroy it from within .... well you get my drift. WAKE UP you dimwits!

[@CaptainTyler148]

I don't care if the doctors taking care of me are diverse I just want them to be not be an idiot

[@mattygroves21478]

I hope all your surgeons are male and your colostomy bag changers are female.

[@emanuelephrem4307]

@@mattygroves21478 Still nobody cares whats in your pants we want whats in your brian Dont look at the world through the eyes of the group

[@mattygroves21478]

@@emanuelephrem4307 I see. So, if a 4ft tall architectural technician arrives at a company, they should be provided with a chair & table setup that suits their build? I agree. It's *"whats in your brian"* [sic] afterall. You were saying something about a group?

[@emanuelephrem4307]

@@mattygroves21478 WHO is going to decide who "the 4t tall architectural technicians" are EXACTLY? And why not 5ft why not 3ft? And whos is going to enforce it PRECISELY??

[@mattygroves21478]

@@emanuelephrem4307 Answering a question with a question, quelle surprise! It beggar's belief that you've driven me to this level of child-like explanation. If a successful applicant for a job, where height has no bearing on their adequacy, requires no workplace adjustments, then none shall be carried out. On the other hand, if adjustments are necessary, then they shall be carried out. Capeesh? Imagine this situation if you will; Green & Sons Construction, secure the employment of talented civil engineer, 4ft tall, Jeff Baker. Green & Sons Construction fail to carry out the necessary workplace adjustments to make the working area suitable for Jeff. Jeff resigns, to find employment elsewhere, and Greens begin the recruitment process again. This absolute shambles of video essay we are commenting under, makes a number of undemonstrated claims based on nothing more than wild speculation. No-one is *forcing diversity* , but there are efforts to combat discrimination. It's that very discrimination, that goofballs like Jordan Peterson, are hoodwinking twits like you into misidentifying as "quotas" and "affirmative action". I grew up in a country where people of the same ethnicity were segregated down religious lines. In an attempt to address workplace segregation, or discrimination by certain employers, and ultimately societal segregation, when it comes to hiring the 'wrong' person (based upon religion), the Equal Opportunities Commission required that companies’ complete analyses of staff community backgrounds. During the job application process, enough information was gleaned to help provide a picture of the community background of successful applicants. The accumulation of this data could be later examined to build a picture of overall staff statistics. The EOC randomly selects companies for auditing. These companies then had to submit their personnel data for scrutiny. If any disparity could be identified, the company is/was approached, and an open dialogue commences to help the company identify what's causing the disparity. On a micro level it could be something like people of the 'incorrect' religion, being bullied out of the workforce by bigoted staff. On a macro level the company could have a systemic discrimination attitude, in which case litigation against the company would take place. The fact that the original commenter wrote: *"I don't care if the doctors taking care of me are diverse"* shows that they haven't been able to identify that *NO-ONE* is enforcing gender quotas, buying into the ridiculous notion that such positive discrimination is taking place. The irony of such a remark, is that they very much *DO* care, leaping happily to the wild assumption that if a woman treats them in a surgery that woman has been the beneficiary of "Equality of Outcome". Addressing finally your *"GROUP"* insinuation. I urge you to search "equality of outcome" videos on KZbin, and upon seeing the results, ask yourself if in fact these videos aren't all either Jordan Peterson or his *"group"* (cult) members.

[@fryguy3432]

Nice one. This is the best explanation I’ve ever seen of why gender and ethnicity quotas don’t work. They are trending towards university entrance in some countries too which is sad.

[@zangetsu1597]

I don't know about the workforce, but I feel quotas for universities are essential for countries that have minority populations. Especially in America for a number of reasons. Lots of people use the argument that someone with great scores loses their spot to someone with of a minority race who had bad scores. If I'm not mistaken, they compare people who have the same scores and chose the minority if they haven't reached their quota. It's literally scaling to equalize the opportunity which is essential when it comes to majority vs minority or the majority will always have an advantage due to lack of proportional distribution of opportunity.

[@joey9811]

​@@zangetsu1597 I get the point but this could again lead to hate on members of the minority and therefore not strengthen its position in society.. I mean the other student is not accepted BECAUSE he is white. This is racism at its finest. We shouldn't strengthen one fraction by weakening the other. The right thing to do is the implementation of support programs in schools for these minorities, not the implementation of a quota.

[@cerpin_text]

one group isn't weakened by a small %-share of the spots being set aside to a quota to encourage more minority participation in a, in the short-term, minority hostile environment. being an outsider to any environment is a mental toll. carrying that kind of mental toll on top of all the already stressful by definition responsibilities that comes with an education or work

[@biruss]

@@cerpin_text blame the policy for fostering the suspicion

[@brianlaudrupchannel]

Thanks for this. I need this daily logic to keep me sane from the dishonest horrible media

[@ItsComplicatedChannel]

If that photography business has a quota to insurance an equality of outcome of hiring short people, then you end up robbing a tall person their equality of opportunity to be hired.

[@brianlaudrupchannel]

That's because lefties only care for equality of outcome

[@rikurodriguesneto6043]

Wow! I was just reading William Godwin and it said this: "Among the individuals of our species we actually find that there are not two alike. One man is strong and another weak. One man is wise and another foolish. All that exists in the world of the inequality of conditions is to be traced to this as their source. The strong man possesses power to subdue, and the weak stands in need of an ally to protect. The consequence is inevitable: the equality of conditions is a chimerical assumption, neither possible to be reduced into practice, nor desirable if it could be so reduced.” And that's from 1793!

[@joeycottone7755]

You have forgetting to tell us that they aren't giving people what they need so much as taking from one group and giving it to others who didn't earn it and can't handle it so they scream at their professors about Halloween.

[@mrdollyman5675]

The problem with equality of outcome is that its fundamentally not achievable because everyone has different interests and qualities. If someone outcompetes you, its not just because the circumstances were stacked against you, its because that person was better at that thing then you were.

[@jimsimpson1006]

You show very clearly and simply why equality of outcome is a stupid idea. But it is now in force everywhere and what can we do?

[@aldenlil2914]

Evolution

[@carewser]

Don't encourage it by going to university, where most of this stuff originates

[@uEffects123]

Well it might be for some things but it also might be useful for others, depending on what you want to achieve. Id say there's a case to be made to provide everybody with a good life in a equality of outcome sense, so you help some more than others but overall the society's better off helping everybody instead of what the US is doing right know, have you noticed? Life expectancy is declining in the US, doesn't seem like a good trajectory to me.

[@frednil8304]

@@uEffects123 Life expectancy of males is going down and females up in US. Of course patriarchy, lol.

[@navigatingel6104]

So it's "unfair" that everyone can't be a 7 foot tall basketball player? Ridiculous.

[@hydrolito]

Midgets could ride on donkeys how they can pick ball off the ground would then become a problem but 7 foot players getting run over by donkeys would be a bigger problem.

[@mattygroves21478]

Said no one ever.

[@ROCKETJEFFMatejek]

Thank you for sharing! You are Awesome!

[@protercool8474]

Affirmative action is crazy, especially when race related. There's this idea that we need to fix systemic racism, and the solution is to implement law based on race? Hello? Can you get any more systematically racist than legislating racism? If X race commits more crime, it's probably because X race tends to have less money, so you've determined the core issue in the present is poverty. Regardless of if X race is poor because of racism, the best solution is always to tackle poverty, not the poverty of one race who only TEND to be poor. Otherwise you screw the poor people from Y and help the rich people from X.

[@uEffects123]

Well a solution would be to hire/educate those who have less money, due to discrimination, hence affirmative action, it's designed as a counterbalance to discrimination, if there's none, affirmative action won't be needed any more.

[@protercool8474]

@@uEffects123 it IS discrimination though, by definition. You want to balance racial discrimination until it's gone, perpetuate it until we are equally shat on? Who is the one who measures the discrimination and decides when Asian privilege had been quashed enough? Who is going to take responsibility for the massive number of dropouts who never learnt to study hard, get in to engineering with an average score because of their race, then give up and get depressed? Oh you've just made black people look statistically dumber, lazier and poorer, when will the discrimination stop now? Perhaps actually tackle the issue, don't balance discrimination until it leaves, destroy discrimination. How to destroy it? By not fucking using it! Might be a start.

[@markdouglas1601]

Well said. I've been making this point a lot. Inequality is a multivariate problem. Racism is one variable, but evidence suggests its really a very small variable when compared to education and poverty

[@redsun7223]

@@protercool8474 affirmative action is just prioritizing black people who have the same qualifications as another race you can’t be lazy and get a job just because you’re black

[@protercool8474]

@@redsun7223 you say it's "just" prioritising one person because of their race, I say it's prioritising one person "just" because of their race.

[@xmontovanillix]

Really informative video! Hospital A makes literally 0 sense to me... Hospital B seems like common sense.

[@frednil8304]

Hospital B was the old days, Hospital A is the future, lol.

[@flawlesswhoreless7691]

For real

[@chrisey7210]

@@frednil8304 bad future

[@enzmondo]

There's a fourth scenario in the baseball field example. One where there isn't a solid wooden fence but is a chicken wire fence where they can all see through it without needing to distribute individual boxes to each person.

[@rasmusjurs7073]

I wonder if you are missing the point or simply not looking for it.

[@biruss]

And the ball strikes people because of an inadequate fence

[@80sOGRE]

Equality of outcome is more concerned with the appearance of outcome rather than the outcome itself, their not always the same thing.

[@Clickybux]

What about the experience of the worker, not just the patient, who is the minority gender in equal opportunity scenario? The marginalisation and low representation they experience?

[@michaeldee7979]

An organization that marginalizes someone purely because that person is a minority gender needs to watch this video, especially the capstone advice at the end: ‘Collaborate with the best hard-working others regardless of their gender or ethnic class group’. If they don’t change this thinking then balancing a workforce with half women and half men to achieve a gender quota will just have two groups attempting to marginalize each other rather than working together to be productive.

[@jamieallen3743]

Guess it makes sense I would just like to see more equal education across how people are taught that may in tern lead to males and females being more equally competent in certain jobs so you won't need to worry about forcing equality of outcome.

[@ElVerdaderoAbejorro]

Males and females won't choose the same jobs most of the time if they are given the chance to make their own choices. Why would you create special policies to try to "fix" what is not broken in the first place? Feminists love to cry about this, trying to portrait it as some sort of prejudice against women, completely ignoring the fact most women don't give a shit about STEM in the first place (and the ones that do have been able to work in such fields for centuries already, absolutely nobody is stopping them) while having the audacity to blame men for most women's lack of interest in science. My classroom had a 50% distribution of males and females, we received the exact same education and yet there was like 2 or 3 women that went to STEM while most of the boys chose STEM. There is absolutely nothing unfair about it. It's a personal choice, that simple. The problem is that feminists seem to regret their decision later in life and then, as they do with everything, try to blame men for their own bad decisions in life.

[@davet7509]

This classic example of the three kids on boxes beautifully highlights one of the big problems in our society. All three kids have an equal opportunity to cheat the ball park owner out of the price of a ticket, but through no fault of their own, only the taller ones get the outcome of successfully cheating the system. The short one is unfairly forced to not see the game he didn't pay for. The fair and equitable solution is, of course, to build a taller fence. But that act of social equity would cost the ball park owner money that would raise the ticket prices for the paying fans in the stands, so maybe we need the government to provide some funding to the ball park owner from a social equity program to help build that new fence, you know, to foster equal outcomes.

[@methodOW]

Thank god, I don’t think we need under qualified people working in case they may harm themselves or others

[@okaro6595]

Discrimination is always both positive and negative. It is positive for those favored and negative to those discriminated against. Equality is not about giving people same thing. It is about allowing people to succeed and earn their own things without discrimination. Status quo is that people are not given anything? There is free basic education in all western countries. That is not nothing. People are also given other benefits.

[@uni4rm]

There is no free education. Taxpayers pay for it. There is no free lunch, as we say in economics.

[@fryguy3432]

Okaro X: “Discrimination is always both positive and negative” - yes I believe that is the main point. “Equality is not about giving people the same thing” - no. Equality is about the state of being equal so it would encompass this “Status quo is that people are not given anything? There is free basic education in all western countries.” - it works fine for that example, a job where you’re not given anything opposed to a group not built for the job given boxes. Bringing up ‘free basic education’ here is cherry picking, but to look at that, free basic education to everyone in this context as the status quo you could say that giving a group (eg gender) with lower enrollment rates an allowance on top of free education (or some other benefit) would be done to achieve the equal outcome of graduation rates. This is called ‘gender quotas’ and it causes a natural consequence of incompetent graduates moving into the workforce.

[@uEffects123]

Well the lunch or in this case the education isn't free, it's an investment that benefits all of society. As an economist you should know to utilize underused resources by providing opportunities to everybody.

[@musicsnob4226]

If somebody is better at something then you are they deserve more. BECAUSE THEY EARNED IT! We are now wading through the shit of giving kids participation trophies.

[@JenniferMoleski]

Why is it that the actually important videos have shit for views while the lamest have millions? Pareto principle?

[@Seeattle]

Do you mean to say this video is popular or lame?

[@JenniferMoleski]

@@Seeattle it's great, hence the low views.

[@lacoyahsmith2344]

You have very bad language 😕

[@zrize101]

@@lacoyahsmith2344 You make very uninformative statements.

[@jpats6124]

Important videos usually require a bit of thought on the part of the viewer/listener, which isn't always the primary goal of a YT subscriber. Too much like hard work. A crying shame, because all the most important videos are very, very thought provoking and challenging. Maybe 20% of the population have 80% of the grey matter? A reasonable conclusion, given all the evidence.

[@superjosh8380]

That’s called socialism.

[@hrvojehrvoje9438]

It’s discrimination. Weponized emphaty

[@SM_zzz]

So what you're saying is...women shouldn't even bother trying to be surgeons because only men are desired?

[@fryguy3432]

What he’s saying is men tend to interested in fields like this more than women because it’s a ‘things’ related field. Doing surgery on someone uses your hands and tools like a mechanic fixing a car uses tools. That’s why more men than women apply. Compensating by lowering competency targets for women only ends in trouble (surgery going wrong and people dying etc). Encouraging more women to get into Medicine and STEM is a bit safer, but really what’s the point, just because it is a high-status career? (that’s a big yes to that answer by the way since you don’t see a big push for women to be car mechanics). A good example to flip it is to use an example of a ‘people’ related high-status career like psychology in which more women are interested in. Imagine if we said men don’t have to get a pHD to become psychologists but women still do (so we can achieve equality of outcome and satisfy gender quotas)? What if we didn’t actually even go to that extreme but merely put out campaigns and incentives to encourage men, and only men to leave their blue-collar trade jobs and take up a higher-status psychology career? There would be an uproar from women for sure. ‘That’s not fair’ they’d say. They’d be right.

[@SM_zzz]

@@fryguy3432 Thanks for the reply, but I was being sarcastic trying to emulate Cathy Newman.

[@HansKeesom]

EoO is the fastest way to poverty of most. Equity of Poverty.

[@uEffects123]

Well I guess affirmative action could also be applied if like there's an all female work force but 10% men would be interested in the job, then you could hire men until this ratio is achieved, it's not obvious why the ratio should be 50%. Now the issue is that you don't really know what the correct ratio is, so some assume it to be 50:50 regarding to gender/sex, which doesn't seem unreasonable is some cases, of you assume competence is equally distributed between for example men and women. We should just be careful not to take the status quo as evidence for the correct ratio, as there are many things that influence the choice which job to apply for.

[@darkjelly1562]

But this ratio is more often than not achieved because the gender and ethnic background do not change the competency of the person, its just that less of the other gender tend to pick that job, so the 50:50 rule means that they run the risk of employing a incompetent person as even though they are not good, you are doing so in support of equality of outcome.

[@omarmuto]

people who say that we will get good outcome from equality of opportunity are ignorants This is a fact . Its just what it is . Competance is the key for outcome. Feminists can deny it to fit their agenda. But facts are facts.

[@Northsaw1]

Wow!

[@enzmondo]

Gosh, it sucks to be a short person and a woman in the medical field right now.

[@Joelaurencechannel]

Thanks for that. Great video. Hope you get more views. Dr. Jordan Peterson is hogging them all. ha ha

[@Zoukmazing]

Thanks for the support. ha that's fine with me, the more people listen to JP the better :)

[@timpeterson5164]

I came here because I discovered JP and wanted to know more. This video has been great!

[@frednil8304]

@@timpeterson5164 Likewise.

[@machudaimarunrak6292]

Efficeiency is the rule to live by. If what we do is not efficient, don't do it.

[@lucasmoreno5330]

The assumption that Men are "things oriented" compared "people orientated" for women could be argued as being the outcome of society development rather than men being one being better than the other. What happens when a new work sector is created, Social media is without dought a "people" and by your rational should be better suited for women but once again it's the men who dominate this field.

[@JoyBozz]

This is a variable that definetely plays into it, your right there, but the point is that many studies (most made by poeple who are FOR equality of outcome, they where surprised) showed that in countries where equality of choice is better enforced (not perfect but better) different genders seem to choose different jobs. Now this could be because poeple that now have the equality of choice where raised in societies where this was not the norm before and so this could be the last generation that is that way, but it could also be because of evolution hormones etc. that for example women have adapted to their role in the last thousand years as poeple orientated and men to the role of the builders and such. Maybe this is a trend that needs a few generations to be washed out of poeples heads, maybe its permanent, we are yet to find out.

[@mylesleggette7520]

Social media is very much a "things" oriented industry. Not only is computer coding the foundation of the industry and its primary activity, the algorithmic nature of its operations quantizes and commodifies people's actions, turning them into "things."

[@algorithm-artisan]

@@mylesleggette7520 Software engineer here, we can't develop a good product that is meant to be used like social media without at least one people oriented person in the team.

[@slo-poke1044]

It's not an assumption. Being pregnant, giving birth, and breastfeeding require women to be biologically oriented towards people.

[@biruss]

Men and women tend to have different brains

[@fender0942]

I think it would be more appropriate to say all 3 individuals were given the resources to build the boxes, ie. Knowledge, tools, wood, etc. now one person may not use that knowledge to build a box to stand on. Maybe they sell the wood and tools and let the knowledge fall by the wayside. Forced outcome is not a reality.

[@Ultimate_flows]

The box thing is a false representation of equality. Equality means equality of opportunity. If everyone on the left was not able to access the game because of the short box, then that isn’t true equality. Re-draw the left with everyone having access with a tall box, with their heads being varying natural heights above the fence. THAT is true equality. Everyone can see the game, and some will have a naturally better view due to their natural abilities, but everyone can watch. On the other hand, notice how on the equity side all the heads are at the same short height. This means we stunt the natural ability of some for the benefit of those who don’t have it. We equalize an outcome, in an effort to remove nature. It will never truly work because there’s too many factors to be accounted for. Also, “Justice” is an impossible political fantasy. Making the fence a chain link means everyone has a worse view than they did in true equality…now everyone has to look through bars. Removing the fence means taking away essential systems in our community (in the metaphor it means safety). The fence is there for a reason, and needs to stay there. Just like we have laws to protect our right to equality.

[@pygmy_leopard]

Your graphics are not diverse enough. ;)

[@Zoukmazing]

That's a great example of ethnic quotas. Thank you !

[@hydrolito]

Step ladder is easier to carry than 3 crates.

[@mattygroves21478]

Nah, these are special folding crates. 30x30x5cm each, and weighing in at 200g. Carrying three is no problem, fitting them in the car equally so. Ever tried putting a stepladder in a car in the rain? It's a nightmare.

[@leonriker4997]

0:17 sigh.. equality of outcome is the right and inequality of outcome (sometimes called equality of opportunity) is the left. the outcome or goal is that everyone gets to see the game. cmon

[@valiko.]

That was a nice video to help my dumb self understand! 👍

[@navigatingel6104]

In other words "Why are the Oscars now Dodo"

[@farouksallak718]

Hospital B

[@musicsnob4226]

Universal health care is a nice thought but the doctors are paid less so over time begin to care less. Plus you have waiting lists and never see the same doctor twice. Just because you want to implement something you can pat yourself on the back about which may work in other countries but it won't work here. Go live there let us know how it is. Certain people will ALWAYS be better at things than your average or below average person. They will never be able to achieve what a small fraction is able to. So then what? Punish those with talent? Punish the successful? "That's not fair! Why didn't I get a promotion? Well you are terrible at your job, and we honestly get a LOT of complaints about you, but since you are a black female nonbinary we can't fire you without risking a lawsuit and bad press. That is why equality of outcome is an impossiblity that should never be strived for.

[@ronanpollitt5651]

Who else watching for school

[@mattygroves21478]

Equity = Fair. Parity = Equal.

[@mxntalduck]

so you mean to tell me that you should get paid as much as me when you don't do the same amount of work as me while we work the same jobs? fair where????

[@mattygroves21478]

@@mxntalduck I provided synomyms for two words. *"work"* is merely you trying to shoehorn in your prejudice and ideology with an irrelevance. As you've decided to raise the matter of *"work"* , 20 years ago I oversaw the manufacturing floor of a company that produced satellite recievers, and employed 500 staff. There were three final assemblies lines. By far, the 30 ladies on LINE1 were the fastest, often their throughput was 50% higher than the men on LINEs 2&3. All production operatives were on the same wage. Good luck trying to pay wages in your meritocratic utopia. With a brain, and a mean streak, like yours I doubt you do much work of value for anyone. I've taken the advantage of some preventative treatment by blocking your a$$. Your reply will be self indulgant onanism. Never argue with an idiot, they beat you by making you endure the sheer weight of their stupidity.

[@mxntalduck]

@@mattygroves21478 love that generalization Because you worked in some place 20 years ago all of them are the same right? Because thats very logical?? No heres the kicker not all workspaces are the same Secondly i like how you assume like a big manchild that i believe all workplaces are currently fair They're not but nobody should be boycut to make it "fair" everyone should earn their moneys "worth" Because if we decided to use your dumb logic That everyone one should earn the same wage no matter what Then there shouldn't be rich people and there shouldn't be poor people right? Because thats not fair why should i be poor but rich people should be rich? Hey heres the kicker if i wanted to live miserable i'd live in a communistic state which is a great system if it you know actually "worked" You never took any preventatives you just proved that you are a big manchild and that you are intellectually incapable of having a civil and grownup discussion but yeah have a nice day keep using that "brain" of yours wink wink it seems to do you alooot of good lmao

[@jemusandran1575]

Mad fucking lad

[@lacoyahsmith2344]

..This was good I guess

[@mattygroves21478]

I'm loving how the early analogies make a case for not having ramps into buildings where the front door is above pavement level. "Fuck you wheelchair users, use the steps like everyone else."

[@shgalagalaa]

Equality of outcome is more along the lines of ”If person A has to use a wheel chair then so does person B”

[@mattygroves21478]

@@shgalagalaa Oh is that a fact? Sounds terrible. Thank goodness then that 'Equality of Outcome' is a BS phrase used by Jordan Peterson types to promote the status quo, and by extension nothing that exists outside the mind of JLPbots.

[@shgalagalaa]

@@mattygroves21478 I have no clue what a JLPbot is so I can't really comment on that. Also there isn't a single country on the planet nor has there ever been a country that has tried to force equality of outcome. That is how incredibly unpopular your ideals are. The nation that tried to enforce equal outcome the most was cambodia and even they never intended to achieve complete equality of outcome. There is pretty much no scenario where equality of outcome is better for the society than equality of opportunity with subsidies and social safety nets in place to stop people from falling through the cracks of society. Also equality of outcome isn't a phrase used only by Jordan Peterson nor is it a phrase invented by him. It has been a topic of discussion especially among economists for decades and has always been considered subpar and unfair among the larger portion of scholars.

[@mattygroves21478]

@@shgalagalaa *"Also there isn't a single country on the planet nor has there ever been a country that has tried to force equality of outcome"* Like I've said already, it's because 'Equality of Outcome' doesn't exist as a goal for anyone (atleast not in the sense that I believe you mean). Noone is pushing for it, but feel free to name a person of import who does. There are of course hand-wringing reactionaries that say it's a thing to rail against. We're told ad nauseum that it, and political correctness, stifle societal growth. Terrifying stuff indeed. *"Also equality of outcome isn't a phrase used only by Jordan Peterson nor is it a phrase invented by him."* Oh I know, but I think it's fair to say that he has brought it into the wider public lexicon. Now let's say that I have a group of 6-12 year olds. I'd like them to be tutored in such a way as all achieve literacy in English to a set minimum standard. One could reasonably say that I'm pushing for equality of outcome. It's not the EoS that you're bemoaning, but it has the advantage of being a real world example of EoS, rather than the red-scare quackery that Nietzsche first dreamt up.

[@mattygroves21478]

@@shgalagalaa JLPbots are simulacra that churn out JordanLeePeterson talking points.

[@jpats6124]

What a load of bollocks! There is ALWAYS equality of opportunity, which makes no allowance for anyone's shortcomings. The most disadvantaged players in any scenario have to be the most innovative. Equality of outcome depends entirely on the input of the individual. Claiming equality of outcome is the result of victimhood is pathetic. Bad lifestyle choices are not the result of 'victimhood'. Bad lifestyle choices are what result in alleged 'victimhood', so when people stop making bad lifestyle choices, victimhood disappears. Fancy that. Equality of outcome depends entirely on the individual.

[@maxmarriott8459]

Lefty propaganda within 1min and 8 secs

[@fryguy3432]

That's so alt-right-wrong :D should have watched more

[@ucountcount9704]

Nice sexist video

[@jejuislander5312]

how is this sexist?