Discussing the competitive exams question in the lecture is sounds like adding spices to u r dish🥰🥰🥰🥰
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
That's the idea finally someone understood it
@TheNoiseySpectator2 жыл бұрын
@@Extraclass So, following a food recipe is the same as doing a physics formula. (Except for doing exponents and roots.) That may be a successful approach to teaching grade school children to do physics calculations. 😏
@jcdevelopment6963 жыл бұрын
Literally learned in five minutes what my physics teacher's failed to teach me for a semester
@AngusMcAlister142 жыл бұрын
A semester? What hahaha.
@ALEX-gr7dx2 жыл бұрын
Liar. It takes a period for any teacher. You were irresponsible and not listening
@monjurulislam2132 Жыл бұрын
same here
@novablast1695 Жыл бұрын
its your problem and not the proffessor
@iamcase1245 Жыл бұрын
Wrong. He could be telling the truth. I've seen professors teach different calculus subjects so badly entire classes can't understand. @@novablast1695
@poojapandey99944 жыл бұрын
Excellent thanks for the clear concept👍👌
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@faiyzaaijaz3 жыл бұрын
Thanku so much sir .,really got help stay blessed sir...
@ayushi33613 жыл бұрын
This video make this topic more INTERESTING🦖🔥
@physicsandcomputerinformat31043 жыл бұрын
Nice
@tishakhalkho41723 жыл бұрын
I am the first subscriber of your channel As it clears all my doubt 😊
@vlp73 жыл бұрын
Wow! How could you explain this smoothly and easily. Thanks a lot!!❤️
@random-e5c3 жыл бұрын
By his mouth
@vlp73 жыл бұрын
@@random-e5c omg thankyou so much for telling me this very important thing! I'll learn it by heart!😊
@NitishYadav-wh6sb2 жыл бұрын
Hiii
@happysoul73042 жыл бұрын
Simple and clean visual..tq so much ❤️
@republicofbikers98203 жыл бұрын
Very simple explanation I love the way
@lanang4811 Жыл бұрын
Thank you ❤
@adityaadit20042 жыл бұрын
Can you explain why did you compare the two equations, GPE and KE in the first place?
@rscoops39868 ай бұрын
Kinetic energy has to be greater than or equal to the potential energy in order to overcome the Earth's gravity and escape it's sphere of gravitational influence.
@pulse97494 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation .
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@juhiverma50623 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation
@ablene_teklie3 жыл бұрын
The explanation is easy but most of the questions raised based on this topic are really hard.
@muhammadizhar29854 жыл бұрын
Superb videos of ur channel sir👍👍👍
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@colonyofweirdos1824 жыл бұрын
the definition was cool. i'm impressed..
@JacintoPintoAquinoRêgo9411 күн бұрын
Is the scape velocity the initial velocity or a constant velocity??
@ExamPass9998 ай бұрын
Thank you sir I understood nicely
@dencybk7 ай бұрын
Potential energy derivation: P.E measured from earths surface is P.E= mgh. Newtons Gravitational force,F(i.e mg)= GMm/r2. Hence g=GM/r2). P.E is hence = m* GM/r2. r= GMm/r
@santoshwithpencil4 жыл бұрын
Wow! Nice explanation.
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@Ahmad-wv2yz4 жыл бұрын
what a nice explanation.
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@akoterryeyong8259 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much ❤❤
@aditimore53323 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation 😊👌👌👌
@mohamedjamaludeen72144 жыл бұрын
Impressive 👏👏👏
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@sheikhayman60633 жыл бұрын
Crystal clear 👌
@filmy58954 жыл бұрын
Underrated 🖤
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jaat79420 Жыл бұрын
Nice 👍
@supriyode8716 Жыл бұрын
how is the example of cannon ball and bullet similar to rocket ? The rocket has an engine that can actively apply force whereas the projectile like bodies cannot. Why does the rocket need to be limited by escape velocity?
@willoughbykrenzteinburg Жыл бұрын
It doesn't. The definition of escape velocity is not the velocity needed to escape; it's the INSTANTANEOUS velocity needed to escape. If you have a rocket with unlimited fuel, you could escape Earth going 1 mph the entire time. You could theoretically climb a really tall ladder and escape Earth's influence. Escape velocity is the velocity needed INSTANTANEOUSLY at some distance from Earth that - if given no more power/thrust/work/ etc., would never return to Earth. When you read about the parameters of a planet, one of those parameters will be "escape velocity". This figure is ALWAYS from the surface of that planet/moon/astronomical body. This does NOT mean you have to reach that speed to escape. It's the *_instantaneous_* velocity needed to escape from that distance from that body. Escape velocity decreases the farther you get away from a body. You could theoretically escape at any speed - - given you have enough fuel to continue burning.
@rockwithyou2006 Жыл бұрын
@@willoughbykrenzteinburg you are right. I would use the word "initial velocity" instead of saying instantaneous velocity. Thanks for your comment. The videos around this topic on youtube really blew my mind about how wrong people are the positive comments they are getting. Im glad someone like you pointed out.
@ritparent72394 ай бұрын
@@willoughbykrenzteinburg So...escape velocity is really the initial speed that is attained at the surface of a planet after a relatively short burn of accelerant. Much like an object that is thrown...once it leaves the hand/arm, it immediately begins to slow down. Or a bullet that leaves a gun...the muzzle velocity is the fastest it will ever travel. After that, friction continually slows it and there is no longer any force propelling it forward other than its initial inertia. Correct?
@vamshimusic86233 жыл бұрын
Xlent explanation it's aa very easy to understand
@clintton8888884 жыл бұрын
My question is , at what distance from the surface of the earth that the rocket need to reach this velocity ? eg. what is if I keep accelerating till I reach 1/2 way moon but my velocity not reaching the escape velocity and I switch off my rocket , will the rocket escape the earth?
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Ok
@abhishektyagi40473 жыл бұрын
flyingbeast has the same question
@johnrogan94203 жыл бұрын
There is a point in space...800 million miles out where the gravity would fall the object to a distant place and not back to Earth.
@clintton8888884 жыл бұрын
the question confuse me. it shd be the gravitation force on the bullet as it reaches its max height. The acceleration of bullet at the max height shd be zero as the bullet is not accelerating not decelerating at the max height.
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Ok
@Hariskhan-z5t11 ай бұрын
Sir ap please is topic par aik lecture banayai 'Motion of System of Particles and Extended Rigid Bodies'
@blastofclass-forsecondryle90274 жыл бұрын
Wow its great sir
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@vaibhavisaxena45353 жыл бұрын
Excellent ❤️❤️
@BenjAtheism Жыл бұрын
how can you differentiate escape velocity and just because the object reach outer space? we float in outer space right?
@willoughbykrenzteinburg Жыл бұрын
Many people don't understand why people float in space. It's not some magical thing. You float because you are in free fall. Things in Earth orbit are VERY MUCH under the influence of Earth's gravity. It's just that they are moving so fast SIDEWAYS - - as in - - across the surface of the Earth, that as they FALL, they are moving so fast that the Earth's curvature continually curves away from them, so they more or less stay the same distance from Earth; however, they are very much in free fall. This "floating" is just a consequence of free fall; not because they have escaped Earth's gravity. There used to be a ride at my local Six Flags. It was a free fall drop. It only lasted 2-3 seconds, but we used to put pennies on our knees, and when the ride dropped, for those 2-3 seconds, the penny would just seem to float. That's what happens in free fall. It's just that things like the International Space Station are in a constant state of free fall - - that's essentially what an orbit is. They are just moving so fast sideways that they never get closer to Earth - because the Earth continually curves away as they fall because they are moving so fast sideways. That's why things "float" on the space station. Everything is in free fall. The station, the astronauts, any materials they have up there. So from that perspective, things all seem to "float". They aren't free from gravity; they are very much under the influence of gravity. Gravity is what is keeping them in orbit. They haven't escaped gravity. But your fundamental question - - and Albert Einstein noted this in his General Theory of Relativity. There is no difference between being in free fall (as in orbit) and just free floating in space with no gravity acting on you whatsoever. They are identical states - - which is what led him to conclude that gravity was not a force, but a curvature of space. It gets crazy, but that's the gist. Escape velocity is not needed to get to space. Escape velocity is needed to literally get so far away from some astronomical body that its gravity no longer has an affect on you. Nothing in Earth orbit has reached escape velocity. We HAVE sent probes that have reached escape velocity (i.e. Voyagers).
@michaelsobolewski401 Жыл бұрын
is there maybe a hover point
@Ahmad-wv2yz4 жыл бұрын
plz make a video on momentum
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Sure
@zwei84812 жыл бұрын
thank you sir
@AbdullahKhan-pk9hg3 жыл бұрын
well explained
@vasilisgreen9 ай бұрын
How is a shot with an initial speed and no propulsion applied beyond the barrel related to a rocket with a constant propulsion and a constantly reducing mass=>constantly increasing acceleration? The shot loses speed due to gravity but the rocket has a force of propulsion. How does that work?
@laldintluangachhangte30618 ай бұрын
This is not a super advanced explanation,
@MuhammadUmairShaykh Жыл бұрын
Excellent
@RashmiSingh-wb6vp3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation is this a video course if it is than I want to purchase it. I have joined many coaching institutions but understanding nothing or maximum 30% there but this video cleared it instantly
@muhammadshahrukh87404 жыл бұрын
How you compared both equations?
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Check video
@dhruvsingh762110 ай бұрын
@@Extraclass its just like "Sir, i am not getting the question!!" And his reply is "Read the question carefully"
@mischatucker60883 жыл бұрын
How does this relate to rockets? They are not fired out of a cannon. They use thrust throughout the entire flight. This mean they could potentially escape a planets gravity at any speed the enough fuel correct?
@johnrogan94203 жыл бұрын
Fuel...bingo..werner von Braun calculated 3 rockets the size of the Empire State Building filled with rocket fuel would be needed to reach the moon.
@johnrogan94203 жыл бұрын
Slowing a rocket 🚀ship down requires even more fuel than getting it to Mach 34 escape velocity.
@johnrogan94203 жыл бұрын
Good take.
@ritparent72394 ай бұрын
@@johnrogan9420 You mention Mach 34. Is that the "escape velocity" for Earth? A bullet has no other force propelling it forward other than its inertia at the time it leaves the muzzle of the gun, so...a bullet would need to have a muzzle velocity of 34 times the speed of sound to escape Earth?
@musikaaffection85703 жыл бұрын
Nice ✌️🥰✨
@danyalmughal4871 Жыл бұрын
Can i get the powerpoint file for above animation???
@kanwarjitsheenu13 Жыл бұрын
R remains Constant or varies ??
@OPTIMUS-l7y9 ай бұрын
Can you tell how you make this kind of animated video please 😢
@michaelsobolewski401 Жыл бұрын
what if you are going through the exosphere at 100/m/sec with unlimited thrust?
@aminakhaled21274 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Welcome
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
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@lakshana47444 жыл бұрын
Nice video 👍🏻 and I am a new subscriber for your channel
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@brendanfan32452 жыл бұрын
Why 1/2 mv2 = - GMm/Re? and why there is a negative? Because 1/2 mv2- 0 = - GMm/R2- (- GMm/RE), Replace R2 with infinity, then you have V escape, the formula you use is not right.
@ihadto61273 жыл бұрын
Why did you equate kinetic energy and potential energy while deriving escape velocity? Can anyone say me please!
@BOY-gr6dr2 жыл бұрын
in order to get value of escape velocity which is ve2
@chelseabibek33313 жыл бұрын
Cool one
@launch43 жыл бұрын
From my limited understanding escape velocity is basically a measurement of how strong a body's gravitational force is by measuring the minimum initial velocity needed to balance out the ever decreasing pull of it's gravity well. Other than that however I question it's usefulness in real world applications. Space rockets don't immediately leave the ground at escape velocity, they accelerate gradually, plus there is aerodynamic drag to account for, plus the fact that you're not getting into orbit by going straight up.
@balijosu Жыл бұрын
Something that's in orbit hasn't reached escape velocity.
@rockwithyou2006 Жыл бұрын
yes, this video is absolute BS. I am in my mid 30s and studied physics years ago and can't help but comment here to make things clear. You could theoretically go at a constant speed of lets say 1m/s upward and still escape earth (ofcourse you need propulsion to achieve a constant 1m/s speed upward to counter earths gravity) Escape velocity is the minimum initial velocity needed by an object with respect to a mass (like planet earth) without further acceleration for it to never come back to that mass (earth) again. which means if you shoot a cannon at 11.2 kms per sec from earth it will escape the earths gravity but it will ofcourse slow down as it goes up. The cannon ball is not going to travel at that speed constantly as it goes up, it will slow down and almost achieve a velocity of 0 wrt earth at the point where it escapes earth (if it was shot at 11kms/s). A rocket (which is propelled by burning fuel) however, does not need to even achieve this speed. A rocket is capable of propelling itself and can theoretically even go at lets say 1 m/s in order to escape earths gravity, as long as it can get that propulsion for enough amount of time.
@aidanvega9778 Жыл бұрын
anyone know how these graphics are made?
@Extraclass Жыл бұрын
Our illustrators use various tools to create these.. you can find relevant information on people teaching graphics and animations
@farhadiba59563 жыл бұрын
Q. If the radius of earth is 6.38× 10^6 m and the acceleration due to gravity is 9.8m/s^-2 . calculate the escape velocity from the earth's surface?
@divyam.arya8642 жыл бұрын
11.2 km/s
@balijosu Жыл бұрын
(Assuming no atmosphere)
@magicpipe54573 жыл бұрын
I'm missing something here. If we launch a rocket which have a propulsion system (and not a bullet or a rock) in a vertical trajectory, cant it escape at any speed we want? The rocket just need enough fuel to maintain that speed for the required time to leave the orbit.
@brandonb74963 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Had the same question.
@bikeradam2 жыл бұрын
Maybe rockets don't work in space?
@rockwithyou2006 Жыл бұрын
yes you are right. This video is BS Escape velocity is the minimum initial velocity needed by an object with respect to a mass (like planet earth) without further acceleration for it to never come back to that mass (earth) again. which means if you shoot a cannon at 11.2 kms per sec from earth it will escape the earths gravity but it will ofcourse slow down as it goes up. The cannon ball is not going to travel at that speed constantly as it goes up, it will slow down and almost achieve a velocity of 0 wrt earth at the point where it escapes earth. A rocket (which is propelled by burning fuel) however, does not need to even achieve this speed. A rocket is capable of propelling itself and can theoretically even go at lets say 1 m/s in order to escape earths gravity, as long as it can get that propulsion for enough amount of time.
@ritparent72394 ай бұрын
@@rockwithyou2006 So...escape velocity is really the initial speed that is attained at the surface of a planet after a relatively short burn of accelerant. Much like an object that is thrown...once it leaves the hand/arm, it immediately begins to slow down. Or a bullet that leaves a gun...the muzzle velocity is the fastest it will ever travel. After that, friction continually slows it and there is no longer any force propelling it forward other than its initial inertia. Correct? So the term should really be "initial blast velocity to escape"...right?
@aminaaslam80694 жыл бұрын
Thank u...
@ganant233 жыл бұрын
I cracked jee in 2014, And man I can still solve this question in 2021 hahaha.. Classical physics is fun
@kxromi_chxn3 ай бұрын
hey which iit r u innn???
@ganant233 ай бұрын
From IIT Varanasi
@kxromi_chxn3 ай бұрын
@@ganant23 damm icc
@ganant233 ай бұрын
@@kxromi_chxn yes
@Ridham_2572 ай бұрын
Can u guide.? @@ganant23
@TheNoiseySpectator2 жыл бұрын
I was more hoping to learn what the value of Ve actually _is,_ but Okay. Noteworthy is that this shows if you fire a bullet straight up, it stops and falls back down, and then hits the ground with as much force as when it was shot out of the gun barrel. So, it is just as deadly if it hits someone on the way back down, as if they were shot a point blank range. ☹️
@ElectricGun1004 жыл бұрын
What goes up must come down, mostly
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@pranavswarupi52353 жыл бұрын
What abt that negative sign ?
@chris4814b10 ай бұрын
It sounds like this is assuming a projectile without it's own propulsion
@timholstpetersen792 жыл бұрын
This is simply not true for rockets that continually burn fuel and have a constant force driving them away from the planet. For objects fired by something like a cannon, yes! They are not propelled... meaning they have no further force propelling them away from the planet after they exit the cannon. The "Escape Velocity" is completely true for those... but for rockets it is completely different. In fact... a rocket could leave Earths gravity a one mile an hour (or less) given it had enough fuel. While practically infeasible, it _is_ theoretically possible. Think about e.g. the F-35 or Harrier jets. They can hover, or rise slowly. Given enough fuel... say like a very slow moving rocket.... or just a very small (and very efficient) rocket, they coul leave Earths orbit at a very steady slow pace.
@delayedcreator4783 Жыл бұрын
exactly what i'm thinking. if an object is moving upwards with a constant speed of 500m/s it will be able to escape earth gravity right?
@kajalkumari98693 жыл бұрын
Sir ,escape velocity depends on
@emc25013 жыл бұрын
lots of backgroung music is there...but video was good.
@childmolestr3 жыл бұрын
kaynetic ⚡ energy
@kanwarjitsheenu13 Жыл бұрын
Why it is not possible for any rocket which is constantly accelerating and have speed of 500 km/ hour to cross the earth's orbit ??
@Sahl03 жыл бұрын
what is capital G? in equation?
@BINOD12345_--...3 жыл бұрын
6.67 * 10-¹¹
@escapefelicity29133 жыл бұрын
Get rid of the background noise
@Schemez-16vhiphopbeatz4 ай бұрын
So if we flew fast enough straight we could fly over the curve..
@brandonb74963 жыл бұрын
If your energy source was sufficient, why couldn't a ship just travel at any speed upward. ?
@snehamishra74273 жыл бұрын
Umm... I was unable to understand from a part😭 as I'm just in class 8! But I wanna learn as much as I can😭😭
@kashishyadav27123 жыл бұрын
Sir I have a question Does the sun have its gravitational force? If it has so it's very big than the planets so why does it not attract the planets towards it Actually I am not having so much confidence to ask this question to my teacher
@someonealone7083 жыл бұрын
Yes sun has it's gravitational force .... Due to it's gravitational force all the planets are revolving in a fixing orbit and in a proper order .
@vipsaju Жыл бұрын
You can't control a rocket with bullet. Rocket has propulsion and bullet doesn't have. So escape velocity is applicable for only projectiles.
@willoughbykrenzteinburg Жыл бұрын
This is not true. Escape velocity is the instantaneous velocity needed to escape the gravitational field of an object. The fact that you are under propulsion is irrelevant. If you shoot a rocket straight up and give it enough propulsion to travel 1 mph the entire way up. It keeps burning and burning and burning. Once it reaches a point where the escape velocity is 1 mph, you can shut down the engines, and you'll never come back.
@rockwithyou2006 Жыл бұрын
@@willoughbykrenzteinburg vipsaju is saying the same thing as you. You both are saying the same thing. And you both are right. BTW he meant to say "compare" instead of "control"
@willoughbykrenzteinburg Жыл бұрын
@@rockwithyou2006 He is not saying the same thing. He is saying that escape velocity doesn't apply to something under power - and this is categorically false.
@lwm-laughwithmemes20063 жыл бұрын
🤩
@muhammadusama38704 жыл бұрын
Music very loudly. No anything understands ...
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Okay
@kirkyi6412 Жыл бұрын
would it not be simpler if ve is greater than gravity of the planet?
@alisa_UA_2 жыл бұрын
Backgound music is super annoying and distracting.
@saleemullakhasim83652 жыл бұрын
Gentlemen, you have not bothered to disclose the true value of ESCAPE VELOCITY As to how much it is in kilometer/second. Without the value a.person can't imagine.
@khajapathan8677 Жыл бұрын
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@monika_gurjar310 ай бұрын
Please remove background music 😩🙏
@bobscott117 Жыл бұрын
It's not escaping the earth's gravity it's just fast enough to fall around the the earth. It's called orbit. You can't escape earth's gravity ever in our solar system
@willoughbykrenzteinburg Жыл бұрын
you are vastly misunderstanding the difference between orbit and escaping.
@bobscott117 Жыл бұрын
@@willoughbykrenzteinburg you can't escape the earth's gravity! You are poorly mistaking
@atomicdmt87632 жыл бұрын
i dont get it............a rocket is not a bullet................ seems like a poor example.
@janchan22588 ай бұрын
turn off music plss
@idonaveh53432 жыл бұрын
Nope. Didn’t get any of that
@sahilkoreca85362 жыл бұрын
vip
@willieevans65863 жыл бұрын
How can a hunk of metal leave the atmosphere and the gas doesn't
@xela793 жыл бұрын
Bro, are you being serious🤨?
@willieevans65863 жыл бұрын
@@xela79 serious enough not to believe what I'm told by Masons I'm not that dude that just believes what I'm told but you can enjoy that life though
@balijosu Жыл бұрын
Fuel.
@willieevans6586 Жыл бұрын
@@balijosu nothing
@balijosu Жыл бұрын
@@willieevans6586 Yet somehow we're sending probes out into the solar system... funny how that works.
@dhritikrishnakamila38642 жыл бұрын
Sorry sir..but rocket never goes with even half of the escape velocity
@jayyt98206 ай бұрын
cause bro its continously accelerating
@davidkennerly6 ай бұрын
The music is annoying as hell!
@FFWorldHD2 жыл бұрын
Bgm itni irritating hai
@pac6133 жыл бұрын
That rocket had to crash in Africa of all places ,Africa can’t even get a break damn
@oq17 Жыл бұрын
Rockets aren’t fired from canons - they have propulsion systems , so in theory they can escape at any velocity . Why not explain it not from that context . I’m sure there is still relevance , but the answer is more nuanced . I still don’t get it .
@Extraclass Жыл бұрын
Agreed, the answer is a bit more nuanced. When you fire something from a canon or with a propulsion system, whether something will escape earth will depend on the net force acting on the body due its motion. On getting fired from a canon, the only force acting is gravity while in propulsion system there are upward thrust and gravity both acting. Net of these forces will determine if the body will escape or not.
@neenaparikh52524 жыл бұрын
too much music i cant focus wtf
@Extraclass4 жыл бұрын
Okay
@boptah7489 Жыл бұрын
" Escape velocity" is absolute physics nonsense. You cannot escape gravity. Even if you use a continuously applied force for ever. you will still be influenced by gravity.
@balijosu Жыл бұрын
Gravity will still be pulling you back, but if you've exceeded escape velocity, your velocity will asymptotically decrease to a positive value.
@boptah7489 Жыл бұрын
@@balijosu There is no such thing as 'escape velocity'. You can never escape Earths gravity. It extends to infinity. and while you are not accelerating towards the Earth, you are resisting gravity and so are losing energy. .
@balijosu Жыл бұрын
@@boptah7489 While the gravitational field extends to infinity, the amount of energy lost diminishes asymptotically. The knowledge you're looking for is just a Google search away...
@boptah7489 Жыл бұрын
@@balijosu unless the object is being propelled by continuous force , then it will be depleted by gravity, Gravity is a continuous force. ie. a mass with momentum will always lose against gravity. Google is a very poor source of facts....avoid.
@balijosu Жыл бұрын
@@boptah7489 I recommend you talk to some physicists. Your intuitive notions might seem reasonable, but they're wrong.
@johnrogan94203 жыл бұрын
Jeff Bezos can achieve escape velocity with Mach 3...1800 mph...NASA needed 25200mph to do the same thing!
@fourlegged_chicken3 жыл бұрын
source?
@sH-ed5yf3 жыл бұрын
Nope He didnt left orbit. He only reached about a hundred km.
@robinmeade75735 ай бұрын
This stupid music is unfit of this video. Am I watching some sort of infomercial?
@josephdennie6503 Жыл бұрын
What an idiotic explanation of escape velocity that doesn't show the true value