What is FASTER? Assembly Line or ONE CARPENTER?! || Panel Shop Visit!

[@10TENMAN]

All I think is happening is that they're trading skilled on site framers for cheaper factory guys who have a limited understanding of the job and the entire build. And don't forget it takes good framers to assemble these panels well, because I've yet to see a panel build that I didn't have to unfuck

[@TBird89]

Who cares mate… these blokes are not there to compete with anyone or anything and their training is limited to what they do or see in the factory. They are earning an income and putting food on the table. Guarantee their bodies will look better than yours after 10 plus years working indoors and not in all 4 seasons year after year and for some it’s a start that will open opportunities to move ahead in life. Prefab homes are where it’s all heading due to the cost of onsite construction and the amount of delays and shithouse work that’s going in at the moment, not to mention the carbon footprint that some materials produce will start coming into the spotlight as the generational change happens.

[@10TENMAN]

@@TBird89 I care, and most framers care since it directly affects us. The vast majority don't want to be panel installers. If you think replacing onsite framers with minimum wage factory workers is the best thing for the industry, that's fine. But the rising costs in construction has nothing to do with labour.

[@tombeever6309]

I worked in something similar in Europe and it's exactly that. They pay shit and the workers have very little understanding of framing or construction in general. Moreover in Europe they are now getting large CNC machines to replace people, so, it's f**ked.

[@tombeever6309]

​@@TBird89i worked in one of these places, with pre fab, especially in Europe, people are being replaced by CNC machines that do all the cutting and nailing. Carbon footprint wise, materials actually are getting delivered twice when you think about it, not straight to site, they go from provider to workshop and then to site, more transport. Those machines I speak of like the Hundegger use way more energy, and material doesn't have to be wasted if you manage it correctly. They can still waste loads of material in a workshop, if that much material is wasted it's just bad management. And as I already said in a post below, they pay crap, you're not getting paid to be a tradesman, you're just factory fodder and replaceable. I'm not judging the guys in that shop making a living, but being a factory worker and earning just enough to get by and worrying I might have my contract ended because they don't want to keep people on for too long because of payouts is not my vibe. Neither is swinging a sledgehammer installing the prefabbed walls. Boring as hell.

[@jakeschmidt4320]

​@tombeever6309 the whole world is fuked with no lube

[@joshl2727]

Great Content! Need more content like this! As a carpenter my self you are A BEAST very skilled. You got them 😎

[@AK-cm8qe]

Great video! I'm a formwork carpenter, but the site I'm working at right now has a handful of 6-7 story stick-framed apartment buildings. For the most part the walls were pre-built at a plant. However, the framing contractor has a sea can on site with the same miter saw setup shown in the video that prints layout. So for the one building where they have the framers buildings walls the traditional way, they have a guy detailing plates and I believe cutting headers, jacks, etc., and sending them up to the framers to assemble. Also it seems like formwork carpentry has already undergone this change. Although traditional wood-forming still happens, most bigger jobs use pre-made systems (Peri, Doka, etc.) instead. The company I work for also has a shop where anything more custom can be made in a controlled environment then sent to site to be installed by the carpenters. These systems probably cost a fortune upfront, but are faster to erect and dismantle and can be reused over and over. Still plenty of carpentry work required to make these systems play nice with the real world, though, even if fewer carpenters overall are employed.

[@Jean-Pierre-Jacques-Le-Guidry]

J’adore ce contenu. Je viens juste d’entrer dans les métiers, encadrant spécifiquement et j’ai hâte d’en apprendre plus et de développer mes compétences.

[@dustinkrebs8229]

Let's gooooo! 👏👏👏👏👏

[@georgeferrari5913]

Dawg, you smoked them, I dont know what youre talking about. Sure they did it faster but lets talk man hours...youre a hell of a framer man, yiu built that in a ⅓ of the time...take your flowers mang, you deserve it

[@salvadorcastillo1539]

Good comments and information....

[@Or0s_808]

I've set a pile of panelized houses through the years. They're a great concept if they go smooth. The thing we always liked about them is we could set a 4,000ish sq. ft. home in about a week and have the roof under felt which reduced the time your lumber and especially floors were exposed to the elements. And you're still essentially getting the quality of a stick framed house. I mean we of course had issues with fighting with engineers over stupid stuff that made no sense, foundations being way off, things being framed wrong, trusses being wrong, ect. ect. While I personally enjoy stick framing and find it almost therapeutic to rafter a big crazy roof system it's hard to ignore the production and other benefits of panelizing.

[@jlirving]

@31:37 This is largely a myth imo. It takes fewer people to do the same and the same amount to do MORE. Companies and industries grow, if one sector stagnates then fine, yes, it leads to fewer jobs but economies on the whole have to grow in the long term, and we are almost hooked on this growth. More homes than ever need to be built in 2024. Efficiencies allow for the same workforce to accomplish more. Lastly, home builders usually work to a budget if the framing costs come down for home builders a good percentage will opt for a bigger home rather than a cheaper home or the same size home but nicer. Home sizes in the US are trending higher across the board, meaning more trim work,more tile work, more electrical, plumbing or concreting etc. Also get a propper car mount for your camera if you're going to do vlogs while driving :D Be safe!

[@willhull7842]

This has been going on for years in Aus. I reckon around 50% at least is prefabricated here. It's a quicker build time. That's it.

[@craigr6763]

Dude you did great! Don5 beat yourself up to ba!

[@xxmerkxx4301]

In the UK all timber frames are done like this

[@bikramjeet1181]

When is hitachi a2 rebuild video coming out

[@kickyourfaceandlaugh607]

There’s a couple of videos of rebuilds of old hitachi’s. I actually just put new trigger parts in my old a2 and just swapped the a5 trigger and valves to the a2 trigger/valves

[@DavesFramingCo]

You’re like Larry haun not fast but efficient, the Mexicans are just fast and quick

[@Coffmanconstruction]

It makes me tired to go fast 😂 being efficient is great for someone lazy like me

[@thebrotherofthunder]

That's a race to the bottom.

[@zephyr1408]

Honestly; for 5 minutes gain ? Can you adjust on the fly the same as on site ? I seen a ton of workers here on work permits in that building ! A ton ! If our current admin changes they’re gone ? In the early 2000’s my brother in law called me who owned a “ Large “ landscape company & stated this ; “ I just lost over 25 guys Border Patrol picked them up “, “even the ones on permits “? Those guys are easy pickings and trust me BPI or ICE will be nabbing them you can not run a multi million dollar business hoping that will not happen. Period ! You know as a contractor being on site mulling over those plans prevents some problems ! These guys grab the plans never as “ oh wow how are we gonna get this to go here with that “. Nope blow and go ! It’s all been tried sometimes in like storm damaged areas looking to rebuild fast to set up one of these sites and go is a good thing however it’s all been tried all been done just new machines here and there ! On site framers will never ever , ever be replaced with that !

[@TBird89]

What a stupid comment regarding illegals. How do you know there factory workers are not legit and if not it’s not your business. This video has nothing to do with permits or where they’re from. You completely misunderstood the whole video. Such a typical stupid American. In Europe, Asia and North America prefab homes are in demand and they can’t keep up. Remove your head from the sand mate.

[@FWIZZY20009]

The main benefit for the worker is the lack of bending over.

[@KingdomofConscious]

You look like a fish out of water, obviously used to working with someone that’s not there. And not used to production framing. so many little things you could’ve done to save some time, first off, loose the coil gun, nails carry easier on your hip than in a gun, and a lighter gun moves faster, and you need a way to safely hang the gun on your bags so moves with you. Second have your plates at the bottom of your wall when you spread your studs, a note to spreading studs, bring over an arm full drop them one at a time close to layout while walking backwards, after you have them rough spread walk down the top of them bent over not lifting the end of the stud more than 16” off the deck crowning and moving them to layout which you can do since the plates at down there at the bottom of the wall where you can see it, spread your headers, sills, cripples, and trimmers, transfer your layout onto your headers and sills if needed, just setting them against your plates and squaring your lines through. Bring your top plate up. Build your special members and nail your typical layout studs in at the same time walking forward with your dominant hand on the top plate side of the wall, if two special members/a typical layout, stud land close to each other I build the bigger one first as once your done with it they can be hard to move and it allows you to get in and nail those headers properly, nail the bottom plate on, add double top. If your building an exterior wall on a subfloor I then would nail the bottom plate to the line, square the wall and sheet it, I’ve found that order to work better with imperfect wood rather than nailing the bottom plate to the line first before building the rest of the wall.