What is loyalty? - Josiah Royce, Part 1

Рет қаралды 7,505

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 16

@rcpphilosophy8122 4 жыл бұрын

If the cause we are loyal to has to have objective value that doesn’t depend on your existence, then why should you be loyal to the well-being of your family as opposed to the well-being of any other two people?

@LogicPhilosophy 4 жыл бұрын

Great question. The cause (C) needs to be believed to have value independent of your valuing it rather than actually have objective value. So, I could say that I value X b/c X has properties A, B, C. But I couldn't say I value X b/c I value it or b/c I take it to be valuable or b/c it pleases me (hedonism). Royce thinks that every cause must be PERSONAL otherwise you why would you be devoted to it but also must have an IMPERSONAL element to it. It has to be regarded as something larger than your private self. As to your specific example. You would be loyal to your family b/c it is something you personally are concerned with (you personally value or take interest in it), while two random people would not concern you (they might, but in this case we are supposing they don't). So, you would want your family to be happy if you died / no longer existed (as many people do) but maybe not two random individuals. I'm sure there is a more precise way of putting this!

@rcpphilosophy8122 4 жыл бұрын

Logic Are there any limits on what I can claim is a personal cause? For instance can I legitimately claim to be personally invested in the wellbeing of every sentient being? Or is that cause too much larger than I am to be personal?

@LogicPhilosophy 4 жыл бұрын

Royce indicates (1) you can't be loyal to an abstraction and so I would imagine that the well-being of every sentient being is not concrete enough to be a personal cause (maybe for God) BUT (2) since you have an obligation to increase loyalty in the world, this commitment involves a humanitarian effort. The well-being of every sentient being is promoted (or served) indirectly through a commitment to loyalty.

@thegoldenlibrary 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! This video tells me not to give up and that I am loyal to my cause. It also tells me that one day other people my join in to make the dream real. Thanks.

@LogicPhilosophy 2 жыл бұрын

Ya, that is Royce's position concerning the benefits to you of being loyal to your cause. In later parts of his book, he'll talk about whether your cause is moral or not. Best wishes!

@PhiloSign 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! 6:50 The idea that we can't be loyal to particular material things, but rather end states, ideals or purposes, makes me think of final causes. So I guess the "cause" Royce is talking about would refer to some final cause.

@LogicPhilosophy 4 жыл бұрын

Certainly! And for more on final causes, see your great video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3acmop9mraapZY