What is METALCORE?

Nik Nocturnal checks out some of the best content on the internet. Come join the community and hangout on Twitch! / niknocturnal also, be sure to subscribe for more content!
What is METALCORE? - Nik shares his opinions on the recent announcement that was posted in the r/metalcore subreddit
r/Metalcore announcement: / so_time_to_talk_about_...
New TERMINA single 'Parasocial' OUT NOW!!! 🎶 smarturl.it/TERMINAParasocial
Buy new TERMINA Merch 👕 boketomedia.com/termina
Join the Discord: / discord
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Show your support for Nik Nocturnal 🙏
• Patreon: / niknocturnal
• Nik Nocturnal Merch Collection: corekid.ca/
• Nik Nocturnal's Official Spotify Playlist: open.spotify.com/playlist/4m2...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Follow Nik Nocturnal's Socials 📱
• KZbin: / niknocturnal
• Twitch: / niknocturnal
• Instagram: / nik.nocturnal
• Facebook: / niknocturnal
• Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/1Gc5Z...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Channel managed by the Discord and Twitch Moderators - 'Phrost & Caleb
#NikNocturnal #Metalcore #Metal

[@NikNocturnalTwitchClips]

*Share your thoughts below!*

[@iziama9410]

It's me, ya boy

[@su-30flanker6]

@@iziama9410 it’s ‘bee’, ya boy

[@xXxGR33NDR3AMSxXx]

Create a subreddit called "better metalcore subreddit" and direct people to it. Problem solved 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@maudet8298]

I thinking cheeseburgers go very well with fries

[@taylorkemsley8727]

Has to be satire

[@Reece_Hart]

Whoever the brave soul was that posted the Tool straight after that post I salute you.

[@goldenpie6]

"We're not gatekeeping" *continues to gatekeep*

[@goner.9989]

Core is love, core is life.

[@NikNocturnalTwitchClips]

Core 'Phrost

[@PewciSlayer]

Core is like an onion, it has layers.

[@Ryo7_7]

Definitely 🤘🏾

[@DeezRotter]

Core kids 🤘🏻

[@FatalPurpose]

This is my core.

[@corazon.c]

This is why I just listen to the music and not get too technical with what genre is which because then I'll just get confused. I'm not familiar with most of these core sub genres but I'm pretty sure I've listened to at least one song without realizing it.

[@seniorordenanza2387]

I wish more people had your kind of thinking when it came to music

[@riddles610]

I agree 100% - music is entertainment for me and it makes me happy, I don’t give a shit what sub genre I’m listening to. That’s why I just say I like ‘heavy music’, it’s an umbrella term that encompasses everything

[@phaaaze9984]

I don’t get why anyone cares. I just listen to what I like. These dudes would literally stop listening to something they enjoy if they found out it wasn’t in their list of pre approved genres

[@Sam-uu2nx]

I just tell people I listen to heavy music. Makes no sense bringing someone down that hole of subgenres when they dont/won't listen to it

[@Dark_IACE]

I think as you get older, you forget what genre of music you listen to and stop caring cause in the end, music is a form of one's expression and/or how you relate to it.

[@Ozarru]

The sooner you realise genres don't matter, the more you will enjoy music.

[@danielvirgen4290]

They do and they don’t lol

[@Malkav65]

There’s use in these terms because they help to describe music and also help people to discover music

[@Ozarru]

@@Malkav65 This is true, but the lines between genres are so blurry I don't think it is useful most of the time. Especially when it comes to metalcore and all the sub genres.

[@tuck234]

Too fucking true... I learned this all too well when I was a wacko Thrash Metalhead hahah.

[@hoofhand]

Idk, genres help me not waste time

[@moonboogien8908]

As a teenager in the 90s, we had the same issue with "punk rock"

[@eclat4641]

And grunge … and nu… emo… 😂

[@moonboogien8908]

@@eclat4641 to this day, I'm still unsure of whether Candlebox was grunge or not.

[@eclat4641]

@@moonboogien8908 mot sure lol

[@thomasbowen2006]

0:09 “Lizzo is Vessel” whoever said that in chat is amazing 😂

[@InkAndPoet]

Why is Darko the banner when they're more of a Deathcore band? Also, glad to see Nik call Vore a Blackgaze song. I was thinking the same thing.

[@carlzombie6722]

Yeah homie Darko would definitely be DeathCore more than Metalcore for sure lol

[@Nyarlathotep999]

The mods of r/metalcore are so contradictory.

[@RafaelCDet]

Deathcore is a subgenre of metalcore, just like mathcore and melodic metalcore.

[@Nyarlathotep999]

@RafaelCDet it's not. Deathcore is death metal + hardcore just like how metalcore is metal + hardcore. They're different genres who happen to be utilizing hardcore influences.

[@theoneandonly7019]

wow. i vibed all the time with vore. i guess i like shoegaze

[@cyntdestroyer69xd]

Metalcore has come a long way - from ACTUAL metal + hardcore(Converge), to melodic death metal(Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, Bullet For My Valentine,sort of), to 000's with catchy choruses and electronics (Asking Alexandria, Attack Attack!, Crown The Empire, etc.), to a literal buzzword. Now, That's The Spirit! 👍

[@XOChristianaNicole]

Lol, I know this goes against the point of Nik’s video, though.. I would, definitely, not consider KsE “melodic death metal.” Personally, I think KsE is the epitome of the entire original (melodic) metalcore genre, period. At least, for me, they were my gateway drug into this entire world of metal and it’s sub-genres (meaning, of course, I knew the likes of those such as Metallica, Pantera and more.. Though, when I heard KsE, for the first time, all I could think was “Music like THIS exists??”).

[@cyntdestroyer69xd]

@@XOChristianaNicole Killswitch Engage is a really dope band, and same as you, they brought me to heavier side of music too. Part of it due to Adam Dutkiewicz's producing abilities. I mean, St. Anger came out in 2003, and The End Of Heartache in 2004, but the mixing alone on the latter is just thousand miles better. To this day, it sounds just unbelievable.

[@RafaelCDet]

​@@XOChristianaNicole KsE isn't melodic death metal, what he meant is that KsE is metalcore with elements from melodic death metal. AILD, ATR, KsE, Shadows Fall, Unearth etc all draw massively from the 90s material of At the Gates, In Flames, Dark Tranquillity, Carcass, Edge of Sanity and others

[@RafaelCDet]

​@@cyntdestroyer69xd st. anger sounds like shit because metallica wanted it to sound like shit. Carcass - Heartwork was released eleven years before End of Heartache and sounds just as good if not better. Not saying that Adam isn't a sick producer but comparing that album with St Anger is not fair

[@evenindeathiserve]

Converge Jane Doe is mathcore not even pure metalcore 😒🙄🤫🤓🙃

[@leonfrost2829]

Metal core in the future is going to be like spirit box and North Lane mixing a little bit of growls and The matrix style electronica. 😎🤘🎸

[@austingarber3368]

I’m here for it 😂🤘

[@mson925]

If I were to guess it’d be a mix of a bunch of different shit lofi, electronic, ambient, and thall are all going to become a part of 2020’s metalcore

[@Nyarlathotep999]

It's not. Genres do not change. Metalcore will always be metal with hardcore influences because that is by definition what metalcore is. Most bands these days that people group into the metalcore scene are much more akin to alt metal.

[@RibeiroGames12]

there's literally no hardcore punk elements within Spiritbox music to be considered metalcore lol

[@mson925]

@@Nyarlathotep999 bruh if you think earth crisis, as I lay dying, and thornhill all sound the same then you are losing it

[@one_tricky_boi]

Bad Omens just dropped an entire ALBUM of isolated vocals… makes for some banger cover ideas

[@digitalmouse3314]

That's sick thanks I'm subbed to too many bands lol

[@surfingthedarkness]

Gosh i'm so glad we just listen to - good music - on your twitch streams

[@dereknorris4543]

Metalcore As I lay dying, unearth, August burns red , miss may I, killswitch engage, darkest hour, all that remains

[@notdjamesentertainment4473]

I'm going to start a metalcore band named Gatekeeping.

[@kitetsou]

My problem with removing everything non-metalcore, even tho those specific bands used to play metalcore and their new stuff still has metalcore influences, is that I found a lot of those bands through this subreddit. I wouldn’t have discovered bad omens if it wasn’t for this subreddit and they’re now one of my favorite bands even though I joined r/metalcore for bands like INK, killswitch, BFMV, MIW, unearth, Underoath, etc etc. Limiting the Reddit to pure metalcore also limits peoples discoverability for new music with similar sounds. There is no other subreddit on this platform that is as active that posts THAT kind of music because it’s either too heavy or not popular enough. Even that big thread defining metalcore couldn’t identify what the name of these genres are because they don’t really exist they’re just sub genres of METALCORE. It feels super gatekeep-ey and feels like old head mentality

[@kris_kwas]

Same here. I’ve discovered soooo many bands on that subreddit and for them to crack down and limit the spread of bands is disheartening.

[@krisxmelderis]

it just fucks the community, some dipshits will get show how trve they are tho

[@pbear7304]

I remember when Headbanger's Ball came back on in the early 2000s, I was introduced to all good newer metalcore bands of that era, and at that time I was in college and just came off the whole nu-metal era that existed when I went to high school. Believe it or not a lot those nu-metal bands switched over to that more raw metalcore sound like 36 Crazyfists and Chimaira just to name a few. Any way great video, brings me back to a time in my life where I enjoyed this genre as well as others.

[@sargonblade8472]

I did not know about this subgenre, I mainly listened to heavy and power metal but this shit really slaps

[@Luissv72]

This is 100% gatekeeping, but honestly if you really just can't handle r/metalcore wanting to be a metalcore subreddit, you just need to get off the internet.

[@wtc5198]

5:35 chino is that you

[@MarkToast99]

A lot of subreddits have community votes to decide if a post fits. for example, some of the "cringe" subreddits have a poll in the comments where you decide "cringe" or "not cringe" I feel like the metalcore subreddit could easily do this instead of trying to write the most vague explanation ever. Leave it up to the community to decide if they feel like something fits in their community. Have a poll in the comments!

[@danibarack552]

There has to be some moderation on the sub, noone wants to see someone posting country or pop on it even if it would grow the subreddit. Finding that line between what is and isn't metalcore is hard and people are gonna get mad anyway, so they have to use their best judgement and listen to the community to moderate stuff, and to be on the same page I think having some ground rules is helpful. Anyway, I don't use reddit and the debate is kinda dumb imo, I'd much rather talk about bands and songs than (sub)genres

[@gpbrown4]

Not sure how any of these über specific labels help anyone or anything. I try to keep my metal bucket as large as possible and just take in good music. Your channel has been great at highlighting tons of different types of metal and has made my taste in music grow far beyond the old school metalcore of the 2000s I grew up on

[@Nyarlathotep999]

Genres and labels absolutely help. If you want a specific kind of music, how are you gonna be able to find it without categorization?

[@munchie8590]

@@Nyarlathotep999 Typically, if I'm looking for something new, I just pull a band I like up on Spotify and look for bands in the Related Artists section that I don't know. It's helped me find tons of bands that I like without even considering which sub genre it belongs to.

[@SebaErrre]

@@munchie8590 Yes. I do that too. But that didn't existed 10 years ago.

[@munchie8590]

@@SebaErrre Nah back then was YT all the way, before that was Lime/Frostwire or Headbangers Ball. lol

[@TheFlameBladeWielder]

Something I think's funny is back in maybe 2017, I tried posting The White Noise in r/metalcore and when I did it, it got removed and told me to post it in r/melodichardcore, then I posted it in that sub and it told me to post it in r/metalcore

[@cory.m]

I've seen some talk about Periphery not being metalcore on the sub, but I bet it'll be the talk of the day on Friday. Some will probably spam the mods with complaints citing this post or something, but they'll be ignored. Personally can't wait for the album.

[@johncrwarner]

As a sixty year old who heard Napalm Death as a hardcore punk band in the late 1980s and have been out of the the scene since 1995 when I focused more on classical music especially from the 20th century. I returned to these areas of music when I encountered Electric Callboy and wanted to know more about how they describe themselves and met a barrage of terms I didn't know

[@Psilocin-City]

not how a sentence works.

[@fredmanto]

Idk bro its a specific redit about metalcore. Put post-hardcore in the post-hardcore redit.

[@thealphatheomega2348]

As someone who listens to a wide variety of metal music in general, it's damn near impossible to pick a single genre. That's why I classify everything from one perspective, which is my own taste in metal/core.

[@VaderKneeling]

Mite b most relatable NikNoc video yet Much appreciated❤️

[@ProtusMose]

I need the wail of existential pain @5:35 at the start of a killer breakdown.

[@femmefatality_]

I once posted a Sonic Syndicate song (either Jack of Diamonds or Burn This City) and it got taken down for being "too melodeath" when the band itself has become more core after Eden Fire (although it recent years they became a rock band).

[@thetruextremeicon]

This just reminds me of how I really don't understand any of the genres. Like I can at least reasonably differentiate rap, country, and rock but drilling down deeper than that (metal, metalcore, death metal, deathcore, Wtf) and I'm just lost.

[@homuraakemi1017]

Metalcore has become such an umbrella term and I feel like alot of bands are retroactively labeled metalcore. My favorite style of metalcore is Asking Alexandria adjacent metalcore

[@omegazx7236]

Do you have some recommendations for lesser known bands that sound like early AA?

[@LePoneyPosey76]

​@@omegazx7236 2010s Rise Records Bands are your friend buddy 🙈

[@cyntdestroyer69xd]

@@LePoneyPosey76 Except for BMTH

[@cyntdestroyer69xd]

@@omegazx7236 Speaking of the similar metalcore, check out Make Me Famous - We Know It's Real. I'm not that big of a fan of AA type metalcore, but goddaamn, that song is epic

[@moonchock4390]

​@@omegazx7236if still intrested. Get Scared

[@stevenschultz714]

Metalcore is life, even named my son after Oli Herbert!

[@trs5127]

I laughed so hard at Vore being considered Metalcore. Also, I disagree, it ain't a Blackgaze track either. It's definitely shoegaze-y but there's no black in there. And that's the thing; these crossover genres are very hard to define. Vore being metalcore but the rest of Sleep Token's catalogue not being metalcore just seems like one person's opinion.

[@shortlivedglory3314]

I honestly get what they're trying to do here. A lot of places did a lot of gatekeeping to keep metalcore fans out. So places like r/metalcore started as a place where people could enjoy it. Now there's a lot of other stuff creeping in and there's a dilemma. On the one hand, they don't want to lose the forum they enjoy to people watering it down and making it about nothing. On the other hand, they should want to avoid being like the gatekeepers they fled from back in the day. Can you have your cake and eat it too?

[@icarustalks]

Silverstein isn’t Metalcore apparently when Bankrupt and It’s Over exists

[@grahamnorman7171]

I love Metalcore, and I love Black, Death, Thrash, Doom Metal, Goth and Industrial. Good music is good music regardless of genre. I hate gatekeeping and those that 'love' the genre, are actually the worst thing for our genre. More people need to listen to Heavy Music, then the world would be a better place

[@MykaTheDevil]

First, there is really no such thing as just “Metalcore”, every metal band uses some sort of elements from other genres. Second, it’s really hard for me to take r/metalcore serious anymore because of things like this. I got so much shit for posting Varials “.50” being told that “it’s not metalcore” yet I’ve seen Attila posts staying up with a lot of karma. Third, they claim no gatekeeping is allowed yet that’s exactly what their doing with their rules. I do find a lot of new music to listen to from reddit but i just stay away from posting because of shit like this. Anyways… great video as always, Nik!!! 🤘🏼

[@thelittleowl1]

metalcore is whatever is labelled metalcore. honestly its such a diverse subgenre.

[@navara8so]

Shitting of spotify playlists and those rules at the same time is kinda hypocritical.

[@Jorgetime]

Hey hey now you're just being "toxic"

[@j.j.6327]

I’ve yet to see something about r/metalcore that makes me want to ever visit it.

[@Tatenak]

Metal melodies/Hardcore breakdowns, rhythms.

[@Turok1134]

9:29 They did it because the sub got homogenized to being mostly stuff that has the djents and the cleans, or the downtempos and the cleans, or the wee-woos and the cleans, and not much else. For a genre that's supposedly the most diverse, the most popular stuff all sounds pretty similar. But they've pretty much seemed to give up on the more rigid moderation so yeah.

[@emiliomanuel_98]

Loved your take on this Nik

[@Someone-yk1ur]

Metalcore is lifeeeee

[@thomasbowen2006]

Amen 🙏

[@TheBunnyb0y]

8:05 soundgarden is Grunge, like Nirvana..

[@antimatter2380]

I really wanna make a 20 sec metalcore song and see if I can get posted.

[@tangoewhisky1]

I got banned from the sub a while back because I ranted about them removing a song that I posted (think it was a While She Sleeps song, but not the one with Oli) even though they had a Ghost Inside song on the front page and were trying to say that TGI was more hardcore than metalcore. Glad to see that not much has changed and I haven’t missed anything. Thanks for being a quality source of metalcore news, Nik. Much love, homie, stay corekid4lyfe

[@Nyarlathotep999]

TGI are absolutely metalcore. They can call themselves hardcore all they want but their sound says otherwise. It's the same with Thy Art. They do not want to be called deathcore, yet that's the kind of music they make. It doesn't work like that.

[@ThexCatmanx]

All I am hearing is that you should be a the only mod for r/metalcore and you get to decide what metalcore is and is not.

[@tuck234]

The best thing I ever heard was this quote that forever kinda led me to how I like metal music in general... "I don't want to preach, but I would like to see metal become more of a united thing. I'm tired of people breaking things down into categories like thrash metal and death metal. I think people tend to stick to one category, and I want people to support all kinds of bands, whether it be Slayer or Queensryche or Death. I miss the days when it was acceptable to listen to everything from Priest and Maiden to Slayer and Venom." That quote is from Chuck Schuldiner. Many know him as the "Godfather of Death Metal" tho he disliked it and even said his own band, Death, is just a Metal Band.

[@thedanzero]

I label my music after "I like it", "I don't like it" and "meh".

[@Tatenak]

My heart beats in breakdowns. l.o.l.

[@Shiroar]

Always enjoyable to watch Nik lose it over stuff like this 😂

[@chazhartwayne6493]

9:18 yeah I have no fucking Idea what mods were thinking with that post at all.

[@Spiderwolfer]

I think genres should have a pretty rigid definition, or else why have one at all. What they should do is just turn the metalcore subreddit into the core subreddit cause that’s really what it is now

[@xSmittyxCorex]

Yeah, this is my take on it too. The spirit of what they’re saying actually makes a lot of sense to me, except maybe going the other way with it is the solution, rather than “cracking down.” Hell, instead of “core” maybe even just “ModernHeavyMusic” or something lol

[@Spiderwolfer]

@@xSmittyxCorex yeah exactly. Even better

[@TimC19]

Core is everything I want to say but don't know how.

[@Mo-xn4cx]

metalcore is this jurassic park you walk through the park seeing dinos the cute ones are soft and scream when they are angry or someone annoyed them and the badass ones like the t-rex scream permanently and sometimes do the soft living when having a good day to stabalize

[@JAlchemist]

Thank god I don’t do Reddit cause damn this is just insane!

[@Jura93]

when someone asks me what kind of music i listen to (and the other person is no metalhead, wich is 90% the case) i just say rock/metal because really nobody in the real world cares and knows all this subgenres. i would say i listen to 80% to metalcore but i guess there are some people out there, they could find to every band i listen to a reason, why its not metalcore... its so stupid. we all should be happy about EVERY song that has a guitar and drums in it, because our rock/metal universe is smal enough when you see what the mainstream listens to. there is no need to discuss what niche is what band and song, all rock/metal bands are niche :D

[@NathanWorstell]

I mean, to me metalcores roots is late 90s stuff, and heavily based from Killswitch Engage. But if people don’t get the idea, I just reference bands instead. My metal core isn’t the same metal core as your metal core. I mean, to me, Adam D started it when he was in Aftershock. It’s like Hardcore and Deathcore banded together, and then adding the cleans and melodic riffs complete the metal core sound. I love the old 2000s era metalcore the most because I love how raw it is, but modern stuff like Spiritbox is like a nice Djent metal core that I love.

[@RibeiroGames12]

Killswitch Engage was nowhere near to be the first metalcore band, even aftershock wasnt the first one. They were just heavily inspired by Zao, At the Gates and early Poison The Well. The first ones where bands with heavy Slayer;Thrash;Groove Metal elements like Integrity, Meraunder or Earth Crisis

[@NathanWorstell]

@@RibeiroGames12 as I said, your metalcore isnt the same as my metalcore. To me, Killswitch Engage, Aftershock, and All that Remains was the main metalcore roots for me. It’s all subjective anyways.

[@kremniz]

First thing, you are awesome and I realy love your videos. but I dont know man.... Years ago I left the labeling of a band or a song as one specific genre for the gatekeepers. When I listen to a new band\song, if I like it goes to my playlist and no matter if its grind core, old core, metal core, etc. Bands today change their style or combining styles all the time, even within the song (you said it yourself). So setting rules in reddit feels a bit stupid and actually shuts off great new and old music.

[@andrehoy]

lets see a what is noise or grindcore

[@valuablebaguette225]

Metalcore ❤️❤️❤️

[@dankewurst]

They do not consider Bad Omens as metalcore, but TDOPOM was in r/metalcore's AOTY list. 😆😆😆

[@deadinmagazines_x]

that album is definitely not metalcore

[@natec4743]

I think this is a great compromise. I wouldn’t want to go to a sub called r/metalcore if a good chunk of the posts are just metalcore-adjacent. This way, bands that only make core songs every now and then get to have their stuff posted without their non-core songs also flooding the feed.

[@darkinertia2]

guitar "rifts"

[@MrDoBaKflips]

Agree with you 100%

[@chaosreborn5988]

They could’ve literally changed the subreddit name to r/Scene and fixed all their problems

[@f1awsy]

I like to know what genres i listen to, but i dont stay in genres lmao

[@whereisnow6162]

thnx for this man, i was so triggered. I hope this vid makes a difference...also....dayseeker really was metalcore in the beginning

[@Nyarlathotep999]

Metalcore hasn't changed. Metalcore is and always will be metal with hardcore influences. People who say metalcore has changed are wrong because, by definition, it cannot change. That's the whole point of a genre. It's a category in which something is listed. If a fantasy book series stops being fantasy and changes into sci-fi, it can longer be classified in the fantasy genre. If a metalcore band changes their sound and becomes more alt metal, they can no longer be classified as metalcore. Architects, for example, are arguly no longer metalcore considering their last two records have not been so and they seem to continue to progress in that trajectory. Their new sound is akin to alt rock. Therefore, they should classified as such. This is the whole point of genres. Bands evolve, genres do not. So yeah, bands like Bad Omens, Imminence, Spiritbox, Architects, Northlane, etc. They technically should not be allowed on r/metalcore as their arguably considered to be alternative rock and metal. They have little to no prominent hardcore elements in any of their music.

[@Eterna1Zack]

In recent years, my borders of term "metalcore" washed away so much, that I cannot define wich is and wich isn't, deathcore also sits in metalcore category for me. It feels like that area of music should simply be called "CORE" music, nothing more, nothing less.

[@victorthemusicman7243]

Metalcore in now everything

[@HectorGonzalez-pt6yt]

You’re not core unless …. YOU LIVE HARDCOREEEEE!!! …. Crab people 🦀 😂

[@carlzombie6722]

Yo tbh Metalcore & DeathCore are my favorite subgenres of metal. 🤘🖤💯💯💯♠️

[@eclat4641]

I still keep them separated from metal lol … its great if you like them …

[@danielclark-hughes692]

So basically it's what the mod subjectively considers metalcore. Just let the community discuss things in _and around_ the genre.

[@nu-metalfan2654]

Metalcore as much as I don’t like it is a genre that’s always changing. People thought bands like Machine Head, Biohazard, Hatebreed were Metalcore when the term first came about, as bands that straddle the line between Metal and Hardcore. The reason why Metal and Hardcore got so blurred is because Thrash Metal and Hardcore Punk bands did gigs together in the 80’s, which gave birth to Crossover Thrash with bands like Suicidal Tendencies, DRI and SOD. Then you had the Beatdown and NYHC bands like Madball and Cro Mags being influenced by Metal. Then you had bands like Helmet, Life Of Agony and Quicksand blurring the lines between Hardcore and Alternative Metal. It wasn’t until bands like As I Lay Dying, Killswitch and Shadows Fall all came about that Metalcore actually had a sound and scene, with those bands being just as influenced by Swedish Melodic Death Metal like early In Flames, Soilwork and At The Gates just as much as Hardcore Punk. I would say bands like As I Lay Dying, Killswitch and Shadows Fall are the true Metalcore sound and style. Then things get complicated. As by the mid to late 00’s Metalcore and Emo/Post Hardcore all becomes blurred with fucking awful bands like Bullet For My Valentine, early Avenged Sevenfold, Devil Wears Prada, Asking Alexandria, Attack Attack, Motionless In White etc etc. Then you get My Space Era Deathcore with early Bring Me The Horizon, early Suicide Silence all blurring Deathcore with Post Hardcore/Screamo. Then you get Djent with bands blurring Metalcore and Deathcore with Progy Djent stuff. Then Nu-Metalcore becomes a thing with bands like My Ticket Home, Sylar, Dropout Kings, Issues, Dark Complex blurring Metalcore with Nu-Metal. And now you’ve got all sorts of bands blurring Metalcore and Deathcore with all different sounds like Spiritbox, Lorna Shore, Erra, Loath, Slaughter To Prevail, etc etc. Early on Metalcore had a simple influence of Melodic Death Metal by way of Hardcore Punk sound and style, then by the mid 00’s onwards Metalcore all becomes blurred with different sounds. I just wonder what the original Metalcore fans that loved Shadows Fall and the like and then a few short years later seeing Asking Alexandria and Attack Attack show up, they must’ve been fucking mortified.

[@mikeroconsole]

NikNocturnal.exe has stopped working

[@akademischungebildet5564]

1:40 that chart is very unfinished even regarding just the subgenres. Post Hardcore, Mathcore, Death Core are the first three mising ones that come to my mind. So yeah, pretty big term.

[@ThisNameIsVeryClever]

(laughs in Encyclopaedia Metallum)

[@wanderergrim]

You should become a mod on the subreddit and stream interacting with it once a week or something

[@coreyhartman2012]

Nik this doesn't make much sense you can't limit metalcore. Crazy

[@Axodox_]

Someone should make an "r/metalcore_but_we_are_allowed_to_have_fun"

[@palanthis]

Humans have an inherent need to label, classify, and codify things. Sometimes (usually), it gets out of hand. The *core sub-genres of metal is a perfect example.

[@tyler7413]

This brings me back to the GameFAQs music boards of the George Bush era. Mention Job for a Cowboy on the Metal board and get flamed into oblivion because “deathcore is punk, not metal. Nothing with -core elements is metal.” Bands like Slipknot? “Slipknot is rock, not metal.” Same with Avenged Sevenfold, etc. Meanwhile on the punk board, everyone was a lot friendlier and less gatekeepy, but…nobody listened to the -core bands that apparently weren’t pure enough for the metal board, lol.

[@kennethvalle1180]

One thing is Metal elitist, but Metalcore elitist? That's some new weird sh*t I never expected 😂

[@almac5446]

I did not expect that and I don't even listen to the genre like that

[@SorceressWitch]

They've been around for years. There is also deathcore elitists too. Elitism happens in all genres.

[@RainMakeR_Workshop]

So basically, it MUST be 5, 7, 8 riffs, melodic choruses and breakdowns or get out lol.

[@AdamGaffney96]

The problem i have is that they talk about a song needing "significant metalcore elements" but I am honestly not sure what that means. What specifically is it within a song that makes something metalcore? Because if i look at their list for bands (PWD, As I Lay Dying, Killswitch Engage) those are three bands that honestly do not sound similar enough to me that i could confidently call them the same genre. How is this possibly enforceable? Maybe people will think I'm just an idiot for not being able to identify what makes something metalcore, but honestly I think thats the position of the average fan.

[@hhaste]

That Schizm post has to be a troll due to that mod post, lol..

[@Ryo7_7]

What cord?

[@stormrevenant]

I would think r/metal is the most important since they cover all sub genres.

[@romeo1771]

Ahh watching this makes me feel much much better about myself, now that I know even the the mods of r/Metalcore don't know what makes a piece of music metalcore

[@USHARDY]

Lamb of God is Metalcore and you can’t change my mind on this

[@Solumd]

Hell no, they more close to groove metal.

[@cyntdestroyer69xd]

@@Solumd Killswitch Engage is also far closer to melodic death metal, but people still call it metalcore regardless.

[@ChristopherJames1993]

Yeah they are very much so. Being a metal band that came up in hardcore. And they use breakdowns so much as well.

[@wingnutmcspazatron3957]

Can anyone tell me "The Last Ten Seconds of Life" is? Are they "metalcore"?

[@jantrakstudios3059]

It just is

[@user_abuser7]

If anything grind core is gnarly punk music on steroids

[@BastardOfTheNorth]

I like stuff that sounds more like classic than metal core than the new stiff

[@tomsharman3136]

They have become the enemy they sought out to destroy.

[@choosersnotbeggars]

IIRC, this post was made around the same time that people were sharing bands, both known and unknown, that fans would like (FFO) but being absolutely sarcastic and doing so for the memes. The reason why Sleep Token was used as an example on whether a song [by them] is Metalcore or not, is because I believe that was what triggered everything (I think it was when Vore was released). When Vore or that other song before it was posted, it was a very controversial back and forth/agreeing and disagreeing debate on why ST isn't metalcore and so the posts [of FFO] were being poured upon, and the community was feeding into it by upvoting. I think the posts were getting blatant that the examples of what said band was similar to would have like DnB elements (ex: ABR [FFO Dubstep, womps, make you wanna take Molly]) EDIT: There's not a post like this, but posts were made with this mentality This is what I remembered, but this post by the Mod[s] is way too overexaggerated and like Nik said, will probably hurt more than help the community.