What is rank in Open Web Mind?

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@johnappleton3382 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for the update. Ranking reminds me of conjoint analysis from marketing. A great technique for moment in time comparisons. One challenge to this method I recall is that our preferences are always re-adjusting over time. Looking forward to learning how change is handled in this very interesting project.

@openwebmind 7 ай бұрын

Thanks, John, that's a good comparison. The advantage of ranking, whether in conjoint analysis or in Open Web Mind, is that it's binary: is this feature / edge _more_ or _less_ important than this other feature / edge? And you're right, it's crucial to capture the change over time. Our minds evolve! Thanks for following!

@tantzer6113 7 ай бұрын

Beautiful location! Where!s that? :-) “Is the association with ice cream stronger than the association with Sunshine? It either is or isn’t.” The strength of association in my mind and the rank depend on the question I’m considering. If I’m thinking of calories and cholesterol, the association with ice cream is more important. If I’m thinking of sun burns and akin cancer, then the association with sunshine is more important. “Importance” is relative to the purpose.

@openwebmind 7 ай бұрын

Yes, I'm lucky enough to live in the Yukon for part of the year. It's beautiful up there! You're exactly right: context is essential to determine how we flow from idea to idea. I'll talk about this when I come to the concept of _fire,_ but here's a very brief preview. If you're thinking about summer in the context of calories and cholesterol, then all three nodes - _summer_ and _calories_ and _cholesterol_ - will be fired up in your mind. Since there are highly-ranked links between all three of these nodes and the node for _ice cream,_ but no high-ranked links between _calories_ or _cholesterol_ and the node for _sunshine_, then it's ice cream you'll flow to. On the other hand, if you're thinking about summer in the context of sunburn and skin cancer, then all three nodes - _summer_ and _sunburn_ and _skin cancer_ - will be fired up in your mind. Since there are highly-ranked links between all three of these nodes and the node for _sunshine,_ but no high-ranked links between _sunburn_ or _skin cancer_ and the node for _ice cream_, then in this case it's sunshine you'll flow to. Thanks for the insightful comment!

@nealesmith1873 7 ай бұрын

Very interesting! It looks like a good solution from a practical point of view. However, a few comments: 1) Sometime I have to rank things and I have no clear idea how to rank. 2) There are probably a lot of things that our minds do not rank at all. 3) Stated ranks may not match observations of how often things actually come to mind. But I like the topic and ideas.

@openwebmind 7 ай бұрын

Thanks Neale! That are all great points. I'll start to address _how_ edges are ranked next time: as you say, it's often not clear how to rank, but that's OK, because Open Web Mind has ways to rank your edges regardless. And yes, some connections don't rank at all; I'll get to that too. As for how often things actually come to mind, that's a whole topic in its own right, which I'll be addressing when I get to the concept of _fire._ Thanks for the close attention to these details!

@nealesmith1873 7 ай бұрын

@@openwebmind There is a method called "analytic hierarchy process (AHP)" that you may want to look at. The problem is that it just gets too complicated to be practical in many situations.

@openwebmind 7 ай бұрын

@@nealesmith1873 Interesting. Just took a quick look at AHP, and yes, it _does_ look complicated! What I'm going for is much simpler and closer to what actually happens in the human brain.

@JesseBusman1996 7 ай бұрын

Can you rank sets of >= 3 things? e.g. (road trip, jake) > (road trip, john) but (road trip, john, winter) > (road trip, jake, winter) .. because john snores but he's really good at putting snow chains on (or something) I would like to know more about your vision of the user experience of your system; but thanks for the videos! It's always nice to get a glimpse of what people are working on.

@openwebmind 7 ай бұрын

Right, good question, thanks Jesse. First thing to say here is that when we're ranking edges between nodes, we're ranking the _strength_ of the connection, i.e. whether you'd want to flow from one node to the other, not how _good_ the connection is, i.e. whether Jake or John makes the better road trip companion. But your question still stands. The answer involves the concept of fire, which is crucial to Open Web Mind and which I hope to introduce soon. Suppose you're thinking about a road trip this winter, wondering whether to go with Jake or John. All four of those concepts - road trips, winter, Jake, John - will be fired up in your mind. Because John snores, snoring will be fired up, too, since it's connected to both John and road trips, based on that road trip you took last summer where he snored all the way. But snow chains will be fired up even more, since it's connected to John, road trips _and_ winter, based on that time you got stuck on the mountain pass and John saved the day. And yes, I'd really like to get into the user experience, too, but it's very much under development. I'm going to try to show as much of it as I can as soon as it's KZbin-worthy. Thanks for the questions!

@JesseBusman1996 7 ай бұрын

@@openwebmind Thanks for the interesting response. I wrote a lengthy comment speculating about your concept of 'fire', potential problems and solutions. But it was too speculative; I will wait for your video/blog about fire :)

@openwebmind 7 ай бұрын

@@JesseBusman1996 Thanks, Jesse, I look forward to your response to flow & fire!