What is Tana? | Tana VS... (Notion - Roam/Logseq - Obsidian - Todoist)

[@Doodiligent]

Amazing! You explained Tana in such an understandable way where other youtubers miss the mark... Thank you for this.

[@SantiYounger]

@@Doodiligent awesome really appreciate that and glad it was helpful

[@tffsnyder]

Spectacular. I love your point of view about how occasionally moving from one app to another it's not a loss because you are bringing with you the lessons learned from the previous app. I am looking forward to your course are Tana. It reminds me a little bit of Dynalist which was mysteriously powerful. I wrote entire television scripts on it. I am a huge believer and combining Notes and tasks and hopefully writing in general. There are huge advantages to having your tasks be in immediate context with the project they are related to. Also, the fewer interfaces we are asked to become screamingly fast sat, the better.

[@SantiYounger]

wow a whole TV script on an outliner is impressive! You are gonna love what Tana is capable of. I'm definitely interested to explore how to integrate notes and even writing pieces with tasks in Tana! Excited to share my Tana course with you! thanks for the kind support

[@BillPetro]

Would love to know more about how you integrated your standalone Todoist todo functionality into Tana.

[@SantiYounger]

happy to hear your are interested! It's been working great for me, now with all my todo's on Tana. I'll definitely share my workflow soon!

[@Maciiiek]

@@SantiYounger Looking forward to it! 💪

[@charlesbonfante9188]

@@SantiYounger I just got the invite to Tana. Just working through now. I'm also in the Todoist/Notes dilemma. Todoist still wins hands down in regard to what I like to call the 'ease of digestion', e.g. android app, NLP etc. I would love to see the workflow you put together. I'm thinking simply use Todoist as a pure INBOX and create a routine/API etc that ingests into a similar eco-system in Tana that it's up to the users to triage. e.g. Akiflow does this excellently when you plan your day, e.g. it shows you the tasks for the day including what is residing in your inbox. Re: Obsidian, totally agree. Local data, long text editing wins hands down. When it comes to research, highlighting and bringing in notes I suggest you take a look at the "Readwise' plugin. It's been a complete gamechanger for me. Thanks again for your great work.

[@SantiYounger]

@@charlesbonfante9188 thanks Charles, honestly my new task system in Tana is great, I really enjoy it and I will start teaching it soon. I agree mobile apps for quick capture is the current biggest set back in Tana. I do use a separate app (workflowy) for quick capturing task which I later manually move into Tana

[@charlesbonfante9188]

@@SantiYounger Nice. Also a fan of Workflowey, Tana has a very similar flow. Aliflow nailed it with a direct integration to Todoist, real-time sync. This is an amazing feature. I would love Tana to do the same. Integration is vital for Tana to be a resounding success (as well as a good mobile app!)

[@ryannagy]

Thanks for sharing that you still write in Obsidian. I am currently a Roam user and need a place to more easily do long-form writing.

[@SantiYounger]

I get you I really wish Tana and Roam had better long form writing features, but yeah I still use Obsidian a lot for that

[@samyakdhartuladhar8437]

Good to see you again! Been a long time since I have seen your vids! Keep up the good work

[@SantiYounger]

thanks a lot Samyak, appreciate the support as always!

[@gracepawson9910]

Awesome video, so useful! Can’t wait for the Tana course to come out!!

[@onlybooksandnotes841]

I took both of your courses; you are a great content creator. I can't wait to take your course on Tana, too. It is such a beautiful app, I love it and want to learn all I can about it.

[@SantiYounger]

hey, thank you so much! your comment made my day. I can't say how much I appreciate your support, thank you truly 🙏

[@dfalfan]

Still waiting for the access. I'm using Notion/ticktick right now for notes and Todos, but I really want everything on the same place... and I love outliners. Tana looks like a dream.

[@SantiYounger]

Hey, hope you already got access. If so how is it going with Tana so far?

[@nielsteunis]

This is great. I am getting excited. When the course is ready (and I have access) I will sign up for your course. So glad to see that there is a download onto my own computer. Owning my own data is also important to me. Thank you.

[@SantiYounger]

thanks you Niels! truly appreciate your support. Just in case Tana tana work on their cloud storage, but you can still download everything for backups. If it helps I wrote more info about it on twitter twitter.com/SantiYounger/status/1582946834775166976?t=9xPSB6kdj3dyJKplMriQvg&s=19

[@nielsteunis]

@@SantiYounger Thank you. Would love to hear about your experience out there in nature too 😉

[@SantiYounger]

My Tana Course 🚀: www.santiyounger.com/courses/tana For a limited time, I'm offering invites for my course students. If you want to learn Tana, now is the best time to get started! More info on invites: www.santiyounger.com/courses/tana#invites

[@MiPo3333]

Great overview, to the point, everything I wanted to know about tana for now. Thank you!

[@mgetommy]

Interested in your Todo list/tana setup. Mixing notes and todos is super tricky

[@SantiYounger]

hey, thanks! yeah I've never been happier with my tasks system since moving to Tana! I feel I came up with a unique workflow that will definitely help you. Subscribe to the updates link for my Tana course if you haven't already!

[@odinu]

Great to-the-point video! Fun, entertaining, informative. :) Liked and followed as they say :P

[@orusmateo]

Thank you for this! Question: have you found a comfortable way to use Logseq PDF annotation on a tablet?

[@rickconklin]

Does Tanner have "recurring" tasks like Todoist?

[@SantiYounger]

hey Rick, at the moment it doesn't have that feature, hope it comes soon

[@matheusveiga484]

Hey, Santi. I'm about to buy your course, but I don't have access to Tana yet. Will I get the invite with the course? I mean, on the website it says I have to "apply" for it on the "invite form". How does that work? I've seen on your twitter saying the Tana team helped you out with the invites. Do I get instant access after buying the course? Great content, by the way. Keep up :D

[@SantiYounger]

Hey Matheus! Thanks for your interest! I'm almost out of invites, they'll probably run out this week. The way it works is: once you get the course, you just go to the course and fill in a form saying you need an invite. I verify your purchase manually and send your invite in 1 day or 2. Thanks, feel free to reach out if you've got more questions!

[@matheusveiga484]

@@SantiYounger Awesome. Thanks for the quick reply! I've made my mind and decided to buy the course. Can't wait to get to know Tana. Looking forward for the invite, already filled out the form. Thanks in advance! Have a great one

[@SantiYounger]

@@matheusveiga484 thank you for your support Matheus! I just sent your invite let me know if you receive it. I sent it right now it should arrive in 20 minutes max. If not let me know

[@cristianpiovani3633]

Il fra si ascolta rkomi?

[@SantiYounger]

certamente fra! grazie per aver guardato il mio video

[@tfthacker]

Awesome video. Great summary of what Tana is.

[@SantiYounger]

hey! thanks a lot, please if you have any feedback on how to improve further to explain Tana in the future that'd be incredibly helpful

[@sachindraragul1094]

does it have mobile app?

[@bladesNstuff]

How long did it take for them to give you access?

[@asilvam133]

Hi Santi. For those interested in taking the Tana course, but still don’t have an invite to the early access (like me), will this course come with an invite?

[@SantiYounger]

hey Andres, thanks for the interest! I'm working on it, I've been trying to get invites for my Tana course students. I cant promise it yet, but it might happen! Keep an eye on my twitter @santiyounger or here on future KZbin videos where I'll announce it if it becomes possible for me to give invites to my students thanks!!

[@jiaosinhcon]

does tana support PDF reading？

[@SantiYounger]

hey, it allows us to upload a PDF and embed it nicely, so you can scroll and read in Tana. However, it doesn't yet have any additional features for PDF

[@Ken_Adams80]

Is a mobile version planned?

[@SantiYounger]

yes, it can already be accessed from mobile browser. In Android it's buggy for me, I've heard it's currently better on iphone. But they have plans to make official apps in the future

[@Ken_Adams80]

@@SantiYounger thx. Is a graphview also in planning?

[@mageprometheus]

Even if it was free for non-commercial use it would be a big no without a local data storage option. Having every node as a record in the database gives it some advantages over logseq which tries to have markdown pages and database records to identify each block (list bullets & pages). Obsidian is page based and has a kludge for blocks. I want all the best things from each PKM/Outliner but no one has yet found an architecture to handle it all without compromise. I think it could be a great option for teams but for a PKM system, I doubt it will pull away the Obsidian fans. One thing that puts me off is the number of KZbin shills with clickbait titles trying to get views. Not you Santi.

[@SantiYounger]

I get you, Tana is not for everyone, personally it suits my needs and I love it! Being a paid app, as well( as cloud based) I don't think its targeting Obsidian and Logseq users as much. But I do think it will replace Notion and Roam for sure.

[@mageprometheus]

@@SantiYounger I agree. It will be interesting to see the usage percentage changes going forward. The slack forum is currently all early adopters and others waiting for there invite. The community will take a while to mature.

[@SantiYounger]

@@mageprometheus yes you are right. I really hope the official community moves to a better platform like Discourse. Slack is chaos imo. but the people there are great!

[@tomasanthony559]

Thank you santi

[@kumaresanp5028]

Main reason i moved from notion to logseq/Obsidian need to own my data without any dependency, Until data can be stored local on tana, will stick with logseq which great so far on development * Opensource * data on local 🙂

[@Earl_E_Burd]

Cool to be able to make your own thumbnails in Blender!

[@SantiYounger]

thanks Earl! yeah blender is amazing, it's always a lot of fun to make 3D thumbnails with it

[@mageprometheus]

I assume it will eventually be a subscription model which is a no-go.

[@SantiYounger]

yes it will be paid, they also have plans for a Freemium version. That's okay, paid services are not for everyone. That's why I still highly recommend Logseq as the best free alternative. Personally I now believe in the value of paying for apps, nothing in life is truly free. So I'm okay with paying money for a convinient powerful tool.

[@mageprometheus]

@@SantiYounger I pay for apps, audio plugins, Reaper, and Resolve. I really like Logseq and play around with it but I can't deal with creating pages for #tags or properties. It's so broken according to my gut feeling and it's so important not to have that inner grind. Still, I did enjoy learning to program in Clojure and Datalog.

[@SantiYounger]

Got you, which app do you currently use for notes?

[@SantiYounger]

@@mageprometheus Nice, that's cool I used QOwnNotes before Obsidian, I interviewed the creator here anchor.fm/creative-stoic/episodes/35--The-Best-Free-Note-Taking-App--Interview-with-Patrizio-Bekerle-Creator-of-QOwnNotes-e4rb3k/a-ak60in Beyond that, thanks for more insight into your perspective. At first I thought you were againts paying for software all together. Now I undestand you are approaching it more from the side of open-source and freedom to manipulate things as a programmer. very interesting

[@mageprometheus]

@@SantiYounger Wow, I remember listening to that podcast. A C++ system. The advantage of Obsidian (and Logseq) using an electron-based system is the front end is HTML/JS/CSS which makes plugin development easier. The disadvantage is it's clumsy and slow. What I want is the core app written in Rust utilising the Webkit of the platform to have a Vue.js frontend, SurealDB (RDBMS & document & graph hybrid database), easy community plugins, etc. Well done Yoda, I'm too old, too old to start the training! That stopped me from thinking any further about the design.

[@Riteshkrpanda]

If tana come as free and have a good mobile app i would definately shift to TANA

[@SantiYounger]

hey, I get you! Mobile apps will definitely happen, it won't be free for full features. But they do plan to release a limited Freemium version

[@Riteshkrpanda]

@@SantiYounger yeah i don't meant everything to be free just the basic features and some unique tana features like supertags to be free

[@SantiYounger]

@@Riteshkrpanda I get you. I don't know exactly how Tana will do a free version. But my guess would be that the free version would be a bit limited. I think Tana will be aimed at paying users, and their free version might be more of a trial for people to test Tana. That's just my guess, it might be better than that. The good thing is that for now (while it's invite only/free) it's a good time to test it. And you can always export your notes out of it into other free apps like Logseq hope that helps!

[@jonr6680]

Hey dude, I see you have jumped onto the Tana Train, so following my feedback on an older Obsidian vid, what has changed? Honestly, not much. Literally in the first 60secs your mouse flew around the screen and your words followed at the same rapid pace hitting on a random selection of features. There's no pause time to digest the information in my brain, and it's working hard to listen and read at the same time. Peer to peer, you're golden, explaining to other coders on caffeine who already know the jargon and feature names, expected behaviours etc. But this pace is not for noobs. On the subject of Tana... No idea, not interested for myself bc I want to get good at Obsidian, a rival product doesn't interest me, especially when it looks the same...

[@SantiYounger]

nice thanks for your feedback, have a great day

[@oblivitv1337]

Logseq is also a database.

[@SantiYounger]

you are right, Tana is just easier to use for building queries. That's what makes it more accessible for beginners and non-programmers

[@bibliophile8339]

Umm you look Cool with your mustache,

[@SantiYounger]

hey thanks for the compliment

[@alexribeiro6400]

Worflowy does that.

[@SantiYounger]

workflowy is great, and I'm sure it inspired Tana. But workflowy is still just a simple outliner. Tana is a database, each bullet point can have metadata/fields. And then you can create searches/quieres anywhere in tana. Trust me Tana looks simple from the outside, but it's crazy once you try it