What Is The Abyss Meta?? | Part.1 Controllers & Sentinels

[@Strix314]

Chad TMV trickshot 9:22

[@flswttr]

if he was streaming and hit that first try he wouldve definitely said hes the lineup goat

[@jacobfowler3156]

🗿

[@Tinnitus187]

he shouldve dabbed🔥

[@NOTYOUTOOb]

and then just walks it off sheeeeeeeeeeesh

[@synerzu]

no reaction

[@StealthyHipo]

There is indeed already a crazy trip on B for that jump spot that causes people to fall to their death.

[@Kwame-Owusu]

This seems like an Astra renaissance coming, it seems like she would do well on this map with here smokes and ability to see all the map

[@apex_val]

maybe if they would buff her goddamn she has been bottom of the barrel for too long

[@funkycrawler619]

Also can't you pull people off lol

[@subaesubae]

@@funkycrawler619wait can you pull people off the ledges with suck?

[@funkycrawler619]

@@subaesubae There is a video that says you can on the A bridge lol so id assume it works elsewhere

[@Hailoow]

​@@funkycrawler619 nah thats a very specific spot and they could mostly just walk out of unless the spike is too close to detonating; and as TMV said its probably best to play spam with the team anyway so why would you plant in such a dangerous spot instead of in front of the box also you cant just pull anywhere, it has to be either across a platform or around a corner which is still decent but (i think) compared to how omen can tp and blind through a lot of the areas, i dont see astra being picked more than omen in comp

[@RomanceVlrt]

Certified Harbor map in my opinion

[@funkycrawler619]

W for me IMO and I stand by the fact for Rank he is an underrated solo smoker (still needs buffs tho)

[@Imadictionary]

planting on the silly place on A with cove might be the strat

[@Pissandra_0.0]

​@@funkycrawler619 so true, he isnt as bad as people think. There are just better options just like astra. Both are great on most of maps but omen and viper are hard dominating

[@yab_613]

👆

[@vsentonisher]

I think teams are just going to run double controller viper+omen/astra/clove honestly. Good for ranked tho

[@enkhbadrakhmunkhkhand3892]

old chamber would be crazy on this map

[@arsenalx7]

You gave me goosebumps

[@inn4933]

Old Chamber would be crazy on any map

[@Dawnclause]

@@inn4933 Old chamber had almost 0 pickrate on split and ascent

[@mycricketingworld5328]

​​@@Dawnclause Split wasn't even in the map pool for most of 2022 (Chamber's most dominant phase). On Ascent as well the pick rate was higher than all sentinels except maybe KJ. In fact Jett's pickrate dropped considerably in 2022.

[@0v3rK1llval]

My optimal comp as a theorycrafter: 1. Neon (quick rotations from odd rotation paths, lots of nice out of map skill jumps, very fast entry due to the buffs, fast follow up from initiator util). 2. Breach (Lots of long corridors in mid for free stun potential. Hard to clear rat corners for aftershock potential. Very large open areas for group flashes. This is by far the best breach map in the game calling it now.) 3. Harbor (yes not omen Im trolling gg ez I lost. No but honestly Harbor is better because of how open the map is. The cascade is one of the best ways to scale through the large mains where lots of team fights will happen and since this map is gonna be all about the post plant, cove is your best friend. Omen is better for the TikTok highlight clips). 4. Gekko (again post plants are your friends on attacker side, you gotta plant fast before rotations come in. Dizzy also clears a LOT of space, and Thrash is literally broken rn too. 5. Chamber (chamber’s back baby. Operator potential on this map is unreal. Trips aren’t really gonna be too helpful anyways since nobody should even go mid, but you still have one. Lots of get out of jail free card areas). Honorable Mentions: Deadlock (wall delays push for a LONG time for team to rotate over, gravnet is OP Sova: Drone can clear large open areas very quickly, and lots of cringe dart spots for reveals Omen: obviously, he’s got lots of TPs and his flash can clear the big open areas well, Sage: similar to deadlock, wall is annoying slow orbs are annoying, grim is annoying Agents to avoid: Yoru (tp’s will fall off the map you can’t just throw your tp anywhere), Clove (it’s a large map so if your Clove dies in any of the mains you’re forced to commit there, since there’s so many angles which you won’t have smokes for also the wide corridors doesn’t help the meddle)

[@_Iceey]

I think that with a comp this kj might be better than chamber especially at stalling since neons stall potential is severely nerfed now. Plus kj gives you more post plant util and this comp definitely needs more of that. Neon can be the alternative oper if you get rid of chamber for kj since her side movement got buffed it’ll be easier to take a shot and dash away I think that yoru’s tps might be an issue but overall being able to teleport across the large map and even jump off and teleport back on can not only help with rotates but cool strategies to outplay the enemy team. The flashes also seem very good since there are a lot of high ceilings and open spots to either throw on the ground and pop flash into the air or just chuck it onto site since it’ll pop so high and flash a lot of space

[@0v3rK1llval]

@@_Iceey​​⁠​⁠Interesting ideas. What would you say to a comp where the primary stall is Deadlock? I was also working with some ideas with Reyna since her dismiss speed got buffed and her flashes are more useful because of the open areas. That would make the comp look like: Harbor (solo controller) Deadlock (solo sentinel) Reyna (Op on defense + entry on offense) Breach (Exec Initiator) Sova/Gekko (Recon/Space Initiator). I’m also wondering if you could completely get away without the Recon initiator altogether just keeping the Breach and just use double duelist with Neon and Reyna or double controller with Harbor and Omen for the flash value.

[@Shinx510]

I think Chamber lacks way too much in legitimate utility to justify picking him just because it's a good Op map. I think META (at high level) is going to be Duelist Op (Jett, Raze, MAYBE Neon) and switch chamber for any other sentinel.

[@ninjamtu]

@@0v3rK1llvaldeadlock or sage or even cypher is a good pick over chamber or kj because they have a slow or trip and both cypher and deadlock can the hold the jump area on b and then wall or cage the main exec area I saw a few clips of the cypher and deadlock trips slowing and throwing people into the void

[@ninjamtu]

@@0v3rK1llvalso I think deadlock will be best sage does have good potential tho and cypher is a ok pick but lacks on the map

[@Ershy_]

Is it just me thinking this is asking for a double smoke meta

[@funkycrawler619]

I think Double Sentinel can also work in some regards lol

[@illuminoeye_gaming]

definitely

[@fairypabu]

its like a cs map the way is layout, so the double smoke meta makes it even more prevalent or even triple controller

[@illuminoeye_gaming]

@@fairypabu 3 controller 2 sentinel would be hilarious

[@nullwand3971]

every map since breeze has been asking for double smoke meta

[@crux7534]

18:33 the round is over 🙂

[@Malam_NightYoru]

i'll play harbor in this map and innovate plants Also, TMV knows abt harbor ult being slower while walking backwards damn

[@whereami.]

Also faster when walking forward, same property as Omen Paranoia… before the nerf 😞

[@Malam_NightYoru]

@@whereami. Bro, I commented abt it in a Brazilian Radiant stream bro challenged me saying he was gonna give me vip if i was right and ban me if i was wrong. 😎 Bro lost a bet without knowing i'm a harbor main XD

[@saibotshawdow5090]

Bets on guessing prx comp? I’m going Harbor- forsaken Omen- mindfreak Jett-something Gekko-David Neon-jingg

[@sebastianssmartfridge3005]

jingg might go sage like they do on icebox, and I feel like they'd put mindfreak on astra as her smoke radius is better and the recall to threaten the cross on certain areas is pretty strong

[@andrewtuazon2369]

id say switch smth to gekko and put david on kj

[@saibotshawdow5090]

@@andrewtuazon2369 yeah their just not know for running sentis

[@saibotshawdow5090]

@@sebastianssmartfridge3005 yeah im really just guessing I also think there’s a strong chance they run breech

[@ShivamJalali]

Buff brim and cloves smoke range, give astra another star and make harbours cascade and high tide stay up longer and there you go riot i fixed your controller issue

[@apex_val]

Cant even lie you cooked

[@jeremiahtejada3059]

lol Aastra use to have 5 Stars an it was Overpowered, never again

[@apex_val]

@@jeremiahtejada3059 thats when recall was 15s, and suck and stun were 25s. I reckon she should get the 5th star back now that recall is 25s and suck and stun are 45s

[@t_dustin_p]

@@jeremiahtejada3059 wasn't just the 5th star that made her overpowered tho, the cooldowns were so short and the abilities themselves were pretty broken, so giving her back her 5th start won't make her as overpowered as back then

[@funkycrawler619]

the range for Brim and Clove exist for the trade offs lol they don't need buffs just for one map. Astra and Harbor however def need buffs lol

[@loosymoosy7925]

11:50 the phantom orb pick up :') I miss Viper RIP

[@Hailoow]

i wanna see astra harbor double controller comps on this map, just because they have the prettiest smoke and makes sense lore wise (i dont want to watch green green green across my screen when watching vct anymore)

[@achidifrick6124]

@TMV! Please can you check and make an addendum in the next video if harbor wall slow prevents people from jumping the gaps!

[@pretentiousarrogance3614]

Anyone know who sets up the “no views” bot ?

[@CMDAwesome]

no responses? bro fell off

[@daruler9125]

14 likes in 20 minutes? Bro fell off

[@gonefishing7]

peak pretentiousarrogance3614 would've had 5 million likes by now

[@AZyntic]

best comp in my eyes is jett, kayo, gekko, kj, omen because you have a ton of postplant util and also good ways to retake. the only reason i think omen over other controllers is because hes just all around the best solo controller and with the rest of the comp, it makes the most sense

[@diogoferreira7427]

U need double controller otherwise ur fucked, I'm thinking of a very passive, sage, chamber, harbor, gekko and viper/astra/omen Great for and against spam, great for lurking and oping, the only con i see is that its horrible taking early control of mains

[@funkycrawler619]

You have a lot of range restriction there lol

[@AZyntic]

@@diogoferreira7427 idk man i disagree. all you have to do attack side is plant and defense is going to be centered around taking space early like on fracture cus if your opponents get the bomb down ur basically screwed. i dont think double controller will be bad by any means but i think a heavy postplant comp is more viable

[@_Iceey]

@@AZynticI think sova over kay/o might be a better option since of course it is very spam central and sova has the ult plus shock darts. I’m sure getting hard info is going to be very important and sova does that better than Kay/o imo. Plus the drone can be used to clear a lot of the tight corners that are on this map. The only advantage I see that Kay/o has over sova is being able to suppress enemies in post plant situations or if they are trying to deny the spike. And if that is the metta comp then gekko and Jett are the only ults that his ult can counter. Whereas if you run sova it can be used against the kj ult and possibly gekko ult which is more valuable imo

[@_Iceey]

Personally I would rather run cypher over kj in that situation but I can see ki being a better option. I just feel that the ult is gonna have a hard time clearing out areas and the range of the bots might be a problem. But the fact the turret/alarm bot can hold more space than the cypher trips might make her better of an option. But maybe I’m just being biased bc I wanna see funny cypher trip bungee jumping

[@majormushu]

Cool opinions, i love the info... i know it wont be meta but im sticking with Clove for now lol. All maps are Clove maps in solo queue imo. Between the amount of help you can give after death (even if you only turn 1 round into a win after death its more than you could do on any of the others) and the little heal and the ult for a 2nd life they are the best solo queue agent imo.

[@Kevin61733]

The big thing for cypher is controlling B danger with either the suicide trip or the landing trip and could be the same with deadlock as most wont walk jump and you can trap the landing and wall can force them to the jump spot or off of it. Im excited to get creative

[@dragonstar812]

There is a Omen 1 ways on B that u can do for when they try and walk towards the narrow main, me and my friend found it and yeah kind of makes it so people window are the only people that can swing and even still hard asf

[@mertxxy]

astra mains rejoice 🙌

[@jamesluong5299]

I can see a lot of the “weaker” agent being good on this map I think gekko, deadlock, harbor, iso. The drop does add a lot of spice

[@lmaolaughmyassout7988]

Isn’t gekko like meta for a while now

[@bruteaxe9817]

Attack: Viper for A, harbor for B and kayo gekko double flash and 1 sentinel + 3 molly and extra if kj And for defence just molly and wall No duelist cuz you dont need to take a lot of space using movement in site Guys did i cook great cuisine or burned coal?? Edit: also breach, yoru,omen or chamber are good pick

[@limatree4018]

Weird comp idea but hear me out Harbor: the only controller that can really get b sight smoked and push back the op, the cascade is a great space taker and is also good against op and cove for post plants Astra: her stars are universal and she has good stall for the large map or use Viper: she is great for stall and lurks also post plant mollies on attack Kj: she watches mid really well since post plant will be really important and stall for rotates her mollies are great and as always lockdown is busted Sage: I know it’s double controller and double sentinel but in combination with harbor you can’t stop the defuse and once more stall is great, her wall also makes a site take super easy Gekko: the flash will be able to hit all of site I could also see Kayo or Sova over astra or sage in some comps for info or flashes

[@KarinaRadkin]

Thank you for having the controller video first 🙏

[@Kavyatej]

imo, they shall vary the spike detonation time to make the maps more attack / defense sided as opposed to changing the map. this map should be like 55s bcz for the rotates

[@galacticguac]

I do disagree with viper. She won't be useless but I think with the defensive setups not being great and the attacking setups not really doing more than a sova drone would... I don't see how you go viper over a second initiator

[@dean988]

call me crazy but new iso could be pretty good on abyss. the wall is good for a lot of the longer lanes, his vulnerable is good for those lanes too and post plant/execs, his ult is good for post plant/execs/retake, and its an op map, with his buffed signature he can op way better. he would definitely have to be played alongside another duelist though because hes kind of a pseudo initiator i also think all sentinels can work on this map well for different reasons

[@otysafiry]

Omen players have found some decent one ways for post plant.

[@johanfaisal8533]

what if, as an idea for a new controller, we make a controller that has a smoke that only their team can see through. maybe if they had 3 of those smokes that would be OP, but maybe they could have just one of those one-way friendly smokes. maybe it could look exactly like their other normal smokes so the enemy would never know which smoke to be scared of. actually, that also sounds OP.

[@Siberian_Huskey]

When players use mid zipline. Kj turret says no, deadlocks sound sensors say no, smoking of the jump point.

[@aviesucksatgames4554]

im pretty sure harbor util slow will allow people to not make jumps, so it might be good then cuz u just send a cascade and they can't go

[@Schue7ze]

I could definitely see Harbour Gekko Fade be run by PRX or someone, especially with the cove and wingman

[@ThePatriots1959]

I think it's a Cypher map over Killjoy, but that's based on me also thinking it's a good Sova map. Haven't seen much in the way of lineups yet but I'm sure there's some to be found with all of the open roofs.

[@projectshiro1097]

Not a sentinal or controller but i think pheonix will be pretty good with how open the map is his wall and flashes will probably find good value

[@rubbyyy2735]

Does Harbor walls slow enemies enough that they cant jump certain gaps on this map ?

[@추니-s1p]

I doubt it. In icebox a pipe where the attacker jumps to that elevated ground, harbor wall slow isn't good enough for that, and that gap is likely bigger than those gaps. But still, people wouldn't disrespect harbor wall in those death gaps.

[@funkycrawler619]

It might actually if you need to run.

[@Foxyeahful]

astra can pull off of the map on A site if it's planted on the bridge

[@enkhbadrakhmunkhkhand3892]

do we even need duelists on this map there is no small choke points?

[@illuminoeye_gaming]

my prediction Harbor Astra/Omen Cypher/Deadlock (?) Sova Raze/Jett/Neon Honorable mentions Sage, KJ, Chamber, Kayo

[@_Iceey]

There are a ton of attack one ways but they are pretty hard to throw. Kanga Valorant made a video showing a ton that can be pretty powerful like ones in A heaven

[@pepsiman397]

riot has to remove the ability to see pings through smokes and walls to make spams not so simple that it becomes rediculous

[@Fc11124]

Harbor, Astra, gekko, breach & then raze, Jett or yoru depending

[@Siberian_Huskey]

Gekko sends wingman, wingman gets baited off the cliff.

[@Fc11124]

@@Siberian_Huskey lol I saw the wingman falling thing but you don’t gotta send him that way, & w the cove he can usually get a safe plant & then on A it’s like paper thin walls to watch spike from

[@stevenong1804]

will you give ur ideal complete team comp at the end of part 2?

[@blastgaming7279]

I think this is probably going to be a double controller map ngl. For example, viper+harbor or viper+astra or omen+viper. Stuff like this might work. Edit: this was written before he stated all of this mb

[@funkycrawler619]

I honestly don't even think Viper is that good on this map even listening to this. Watching even that A lurk wall, one sentinel hard counters that. I think TMV is overselling Viper here lol

[@lanceshadow7335]

​@@funkycrawler619ye I agree I would much rather prefer a Harbor Omen/Astra pick on this map

[@kemasalauddin1604]

man i wish there is an agent that can create viper ult smoke but smaller

[@acesseu4991]

i think the meta will be harbor/astra, viper , kj, sage and sova or it will be the gekko double initiator comps

[@shernandez300]

I’m thinking the 2 best comps for this map at the moment are gonna be: Jett, Gecko, Harbor, Viper, Killjoy Or Jett, Gecko, Sova, Astra, Killjoy

[@Siberian_Huskey]

Gecko sends wingman off the cliff

[@shernandez300]

@@Siberian_Huskey there’s a lineup to plant it on the B cross where wingman jumps the gap, besides that based on the way the sites are designed gecko is going to be super good for getting easy early plants and playing post plant on both sites

[@rabbitholezz]

my tm8s always nerf themselves and run 2 duelists on this map, since the release ive been saying 2 smokes meta and no one listens

[@chezcak486]

when is this map playable in vct?

[@molenoss]

dont you think loud og same comp all map will work great too on this map

[@TheGamingg33k]

Finna practice my Odin skills

[@Siberian_Huskey]

Is wingman going to run off the cliff?

[@namirkhan8515]

More triple controller map?

[@din0ysus]

There is a one way for stairs on A heaven

[@enkhbadrakhmunkhkhand3892]

I think it’s going to be harbor with viper map!

[@darkxwarrior4477]

welcome to pearl 2.0 the comp is literally harbor viper jett kj and breach its the pearl comp but with breach instead of skye or sova

[@joy-kb7tm]

could phoenix be meta with the free ult orbs and hard chokepoints to go thru

[@polkacat3269]

Bro im turning my swag on

[@JACK-yy3xm]

Ryan getting that massive nerf is crazy

[@artjomgabsattarov4506]

Has any1 figuered out a lineup to get the wall consistently on the little nosle on b

[@sword8392]

PRX are gonna cook on this map

[@Illuniaz]

the only bad part about this video was having to look at the red spline phantom

[@chrishoward6864]

Astra still needs a buff IMO. Astra (at least in ranked) is literally never played

[@Max-zr3hh]

Most definitely a harbor map, and idc what anyone says, both raze and neon are dogshit on it. Not enough walls to bounce the neon stuff off of, and there aren't alot of good nade spots either.

[@Pissandra_0.0]

They just kept nerfing viper to push her out from meta and they added viper sided map

[@ARClegend]

Justice for Viper

[@Bk1996Gg]

If I had 1 RR for every time you said “right” I’d be radiant

[@tyroneTy2024]

Unpopular opinion: Harbor cove + Iso shield meta?

[@TraGiiXzaze]

kj, gekko, viper, sova/astra, duelist.

[@TAKOHUMU]

Looks like we need controllers on the map, a great reason to nerf smokes again

[@sjfarias96]

Well done riot, you've made yet another spam heavy, viper/double controller map.

[@shamms9249]

OMEN ON TOP RAHH, WHAT IS A PASSIVE CONRTOLLER RAHH, I LOVE KNITTING RAHH

[@Corroderptor]

It’s good to establish this so Paper Rex can play none of them

[@gareeb4959]

Harbor will be META on this map

[@탬탬버린님이고정함]

jett, kayo, harbor, astra, kiljoy this is my comp

[@shamms9249]

i agree except for im putting omen there i feel like cove can just cover a lot that astras entire kit can so why not have omen as the flex controller yk?

[@heartbreak1740]

astra can pull people off the map, like deadass

[@Sugarist0]

This map is begging to go back to the 2022 triple sentinel meta

[@Siberian_Huskey]

5 sentinels

[@chetansharma3982]

could cove lockdown be a thing

[@executiveninja5433]

I am a harbor main 🌊

[@aicraglednay]

Holy shit, you’re real

[@executiveninja5433]

@@aicraglednay yessss

[@pjjustice5014]

Is having a sentinel even needed on this map?

[@Kyuushichi]

you always need passive detection on a big map because if you try to watch all possible entries as a defender most of the time it will be just 1v5 sentinel stall for preparation for retake or watching some lurks

[@SaturnKeys]

harbor for sure

[@aurafln9509]

Viper, Harbor, Gekko, Sage, Killjoy. U heared it hear first

[@l4zshirex]

YES HARBOR YES

[@l4zshirex]

W HARBOR MAP

[@stonechestplate928]

triple smoke meta

[@Micalex]

And because brim and cloves range is ass, we will play more viper/omen and maaaaybe astra (ho even likes astra) and then riot will nerf viper Aaaagain. Just increase brim and cloves range. Ima shoot somebody. (In game)

[@ace.ethan7]

Omen map simple

[@tirthpatel8805]

Where are the initiators ?

[@Ivan4o205]

Viper is no longer worth playing in low elo one molly is diabolical

[@Dakhanavar99]

Honestly for me as a Brim main, i think this is gonna be the worst map for Brim. Even more than Breeze.

[@shewannawithout]

Double orb smoke and smoke off both mid lanes on T side, defenders literally can't do shit about it

[@neloru1122]

Viper has a > 0.0001% pick rate? Time to nerf viper

[@edpaul3515]

Just another 2 controller map

[@inn4933]

Deadlock map in my opinion

[@aicraglednay]

Professional viper hater

[@whereami.]

New generic ahh post plant meta just dropped

[@shekhargangal820]

Spline phantom is so ugly wtf

[@ellie.doyl3]

More like Complaining Mans Valorant. smh my head

[@shade_7500]

This map is garbage doesnt matter how i look at it is just bad

[@-____-56789]

12s ago and no views? Fell off

[@boundless-sher]

gets funnier every time 😐