WHAT IS THE BEST PERFORMANCE FUEL IN VANCOUVER, BC, CANADA?!?! - 2023 Edition

[@davisharr]

Thank you for doing another one of these. As you know well, its an incredible resource to us in B.C. that you and PG Performance put in the time, money, and effort to keep doing these tests of local fuel!

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome!

[@greatwhitenorth3717]

I could not agree more. Adam you do the research so we don't have to guess and wonder! As I have said before I run multiple custom tunes and one of them was Chevron 94 +10% ethanol and even then😊 I had some corrections on my logs. I run 93 Shell with no corrections on the same tune all thanks to you Adam.✊️

[@VancityAudi]

A few things I forgot to mention while making this video are as follows: - Every time we changed fuels, we completely drained the tank to do our absolute best to not contaminate the next fuel sample with the previously tested fuel. - We used a 'Drain Fuel' function using Integrated Engineering tuning software to empty the tank. It runs the Low Pressure Fuel Pump. We connected an external fuel line to the fuel system, and we ran it until the tank was completely dry. - The dyno numbers that are shown are uncorrected. - These test results ONLY PERTAIN to the area surrounding Vancouver, BC, Canada. Fuel will differ all over the world, and by no means do these tests represent fuel found at these particular brands all over the world. Thanks for watching!

[@salsam3778]

U should release a new video only doing Petro 94 vs she’ll 93! Plz do:)

[@VancityAudi]

​@salsam3778 there is no Petro 94 in the Lower Mainland

[@FVBully]

I’ve got a supercharged modded LSA that also has some E85 tunes in it as well in a ZL1 if you want to try doing some more comparisons I’m happy to let you use. It’s modded and Shawn has tuned it so he knows it well at Racing Greed.

[@VancityAudi]

​@FVBully thanks for the offer, but I have zero interest in doing any more fuel comparisons unless someone is paying me to do them

[@dan5pot]

that’s such a professional approach Adam, fair play for the good work and good content you put up 🙌👏

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you very much

[@joshualeamon]

You're an absolute beauty. Thank you for this. Liked and subbed

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome. Thank you for your support!

[@MrSteveb8]

Such a thorough video. I hope this helps people find their favourite fuel.

[@wally6193]

Adam, Just watched some of your videos on petro products. From reading some of the comments and from your videos it would seem that no one actually knows and the refined products industry distribution works(at least for western Canada). So let me try and unpack some of this for you and your viewers from when I was in the refining industry in Alberta. Every refinery has contracts with practically every other refinery for supply. So just because the gas station says Shell on the pumps( or any other gas station)doesn't mean it's products come from the Shell refinery in Fort Sask. At the refinery I worked in for 8 years, we supplied most fuels(not all to some of the retail stations) to Esso, Shell, PetroCan, Coop etc etc in the Calgary region. For example in Regina where the Coop refinery is located, they will supply all the fuels for every brand in the area and probably in Manitoba as well. The only differences will be each brands additive package, which gets added while the tanker trucks or rail cars are getting loaded. Our refinery also supplied fuels to Montana and Washington state. As for Costco, the last I knew was they had a contract with Imperial Oil refinery in Fort Sask, although that may have changed since then, Costco basically goes for who ever will give them the best deal. Same as Super Save gas, their contract(as of last year) was with Imperial Oil Refinery. The refinery in Burnaby supplies what products they produce to contracted retailers- could be Esso or Shell or any of the others including Chevron. And considering Chevron doesn't have a refinery in Canada anymore, their products for BC could come from any of the refineries in Fort Sask or Burnaby or possibly from the refinery in Blain Washington or who ever they can get the best contract from. Every refinery exchanges on a pretty much daily basis batch samples of their products to each other refineries labs for testing to ensure they meet that companies specs. During my time, Imperial Oil pretty much had the industry standard for bang-on specs for their products. Our refinery wasn't great for having consistent specs so we had to always make ours alittle higher octane to meet or exceed everyone else's spec that we supplied product to. For example, Shell(or any of the others) isn't going to supply their own refined products from their Scottford plant to their retail stations on Van Island if they can get the fuels from someone else who has a tank farm locally if it will save them money. Same in the lower mainland, there are tanks farms there which get products from no doubt all of the refineries in the Fort Sask area. It's all very convoluted now that they have several pipelines running through to the coast. So chances are that if you buy from any named service station and expect to get who ever's product is really unlikely these days, except if you live in or around Edmonton or Calgary(mostly, as Calgary has a Imperial oil tanks farm and a Shell tank farm I believe). As for PetroCan(suncor) I don't know of any tank farms that they have except in Naniamo. Long winded I know, but hopefully that explains some of the confusion when it comes to filling up your tank with the "best" fuel, as you just don't know who's product you're getting. Like I said it's all in the additive package they add and that you'll never know, not even we were allowed to know what was in each companies secret additive package.

[@marty1780]

This should be stickied at the top of the comments. We are really comparing additive packages here. Still good to know which one is the most potent! In Europe, Shell 100 octane (RON) is readily available (Equivalent to roughly 96 octane here) 😢

[@Redneckmedic01292]

@wally6193 is absolutely correct with his info. I worked for a number of years for Chevron Canada and can agree 100% this is true.

[@rg5445]

I delivered fuel for 15yrs in the lower mainland and can tell you know what you’re talking about. I would say however that any distinction because of brand additives is pretty much also meaningless. That’s because the amount of additive you’d receive in a single full tank of fuel in your car will be absolutely minuscule. We had to add it manually at times at the station and the ratio was on average maybe 6-8 litres per 60,000 litres of fuel. We talking about a few drops in your fill-up at most…it’s a ridiculously small amount. I was always suspicious that the “additive” was just some horrible extremely toxic shit that they didn’t know what to do with so they’ve found somewhere to dispose of it and marketed it as something beneficial for your engine. You know, like fluoride in your drinking water.

[@wally6193]

@@rg5445 Yes most of what you say wouldn't surprise me. Where I was the additives were added by metered injection into the lines just before the metered head at the loading rails. I don't recall how much was being injected per volume, but yes not much. As for the additive there were a few different tanks depending on the client. Most additives are sourced/supplied by the clients, but only one or two manufacturers make it, no different than the additives in the motor oils which are made by only a few manufacturers. Is it toxic, well no more or less I suppose than the fuel it self. I recall Shell would not hand over the MSDS sheets for their additives as they claimed it was a secret formula, as in it was their additive that was screwing up the gastank gauges in so many cars at one point, haha, so they had to reformulate. Shell now says they put a minimum of 2 or 3 times more in their fuel than anyone else. Don't get me started on fluoride in water, lol.

[@zw9423]

For energy related products or industry this is pretty standard. They do the same sharing and convolutional contracts between energy providers in the electricity and natural gas industry as well

[@jdemara]

You're awesome for doing this Adam! That's a LOT of time and energy to put this all together. Much appreciated!

[@VancityAudi]

My pleasure!

[@darylmorse]

Great video. Really interesting results! Thanks to everyone that funded and supported the video, especially the owner of the car. (Very nice car, coming from a BMW driver.)

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching!

[@asingh82]

Great video, Adam! Thank you for all you do for us locals.

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome. Thanks for watching.

[@a.c.e.7568]

6:04 I used my own test kit, a 1000 ml graduated cylinder where I'd fill it with 800 ml of test fuel and 200 ml of water. The fuel was not a mixture in the hose from shared octanes; I'd fill up my car with octane X and then fill my gas can with the same fuel for the test. Ethanol content: Petro Canada Ultra 94 had 9.125%, Shell V-Power 91 had 1.25% and Petro Canada 87 had 10%. Tests done in Aug & Sept 2021.

[@VancityAudi]

So literally the same thing I do for all these videos.

[@jasonharwood8972]

I did the same thing on Racing Greeds Dyno with my 04 STI, Shell was the winner on my car. This was many years ago now!

[@scottc78]

I now have UniFlex, and I don't live in Canada, yet I still find these comparisons intriguing. Thanks for putting this together!

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching!

[@carlhermansen1146]

Awesome video Adam, public service announcement! The hero we don't deserve.

[@johnkussmann6224]

Sick video! So informative. 🎉

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks!

[@UNFORTUNATETRAVELER]

Boosted engines absolutely love ethanol!!! You can make more power and the engine runs cooler, smoother and stronger all over the RPM range. Just need to know in the winter to not let it sit and to tone back the mixture% for cold starts.

[@pollorobot69]

Best Videos Always Thx Adam

[@VancityAudi]

My pleasure!

[@tylerlet6537]

could this be the best video on internet right now?

[@VancityAudi]

🤣🤣🤣 Love it

[@gplipp6489]

@@tylerlet6537 ford/chevy. Audi/porsche. Ad infinitum

[@andrewmatheson1359]

Love the video and the testing methods! Also that white FD in the background 😍

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching!

[@al151]

For my ss 1le the only fuel i use is the Shell 93 here in US. Once it is tuned though will be going e85 or mix with 93. You pay premium but its worth it.

[@AnthonyJ350]

Awesome video! Thanks for making this!

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@Ashley_van_Schooneveld]

I live in Alberta and have a mild Stage 1 tuned BMW N55 and been running Shell V-power 93 and Esso 94. Since Stage 1 tuned i no longer run 91 octane anymore unless there's no 93 available anywhere like when I been to Saskatchewan this year. Recent dyno pulls revealed 320hp at the wheels with Shell 93 and my engine is rated at 320hp from the manufacturer with the performance kit.

[@VancityAudi]

Ultimately dyno numbers don't mean anything at the end of the day. Just jump on another brand of dyno in another neck of the woods, and your car will make a different power figure. I proved that theory in my RS3 in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3i7oKSiaZJgqaM I'm happy that you're happy with your power figures though!

[@Ashley_van_Schooneveld]

​@@VancityAudii might try a different dyno with what im currently running. Though i'm no crazy gearhead drag racer, roll racer, i just like the extra power when needed lol

[@acz88]

@@Ashley_van_Schooneveldbmw has under advertised their power for decades. Most often what the manufacturer advertises is power at the wheels hence the ultimate driving machine. I was a product trainer for bmw for 7 years.

[@shaunald]

I appreciate you using an RS6 so I know exactly what I'm going to get 🤟

[@VancityAudi]

Haha, looking back, I wish I didn't! Lol

[@shaunald]

@@VancityAudi ya just finished the vid 😅 sorry my ADHD took over. Welp either way, we always appreciate the videos. And since I'm doing Uni Stage 1+ shortly, this still works for me. Sticking with She'll 93 🤟

[@puga4202]

Thanks for all the effort. Very informative video, bravo!!

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@EdAb]

Spectacular test! It's making me consider changing my fuel buying habits. That said, I live in Edmonton, not Vancouver. The only car I need 91+ in is a 2005 Jaguar, normally aspirated V8. I doubt I would see much of a difference between Premium Costco fuel and Shell 93. I am missing something? Many thanks for your efforts!!!

[@VancityAudi]

Possibly not in that car, but the only way to know for sure is to run each fuel in similar conditions and datalog your car to see if it advances the timing on one fuel vs the other to make more power. Also keep in mind this testing is specific to the Lower Mainland, BC. I have no idea where the fuel in Edmonton comes from, and I know for certain it is made with different specifications than our fuel is.

[@EdAb]

@@VancityAudi Thanks

[@spazysmalls]

I like shell. I believe their fuel is cleaner. I deliver fuel and shell in my area is the most strict terminal and they seem to just fo things better and more professional if that makes sense. They run tests kn their meters way more than the other terminals and actually own their own terminals. Its like having a oizza shop and selling your own pizza vs having a pizza shop make your recipe and hope the they make it as you wish for the customer. I like shells fuel. The car feels better on shell and mob but j just choose shell over mobil for the reasons i stated above

[@Youngtruckerdee]

Who you pull for ? I haul too lol

[@streamlineperformancevideo1926]

Thanks Adam, appreciate all the effort!

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome!

[@The_Guy_in_the_Back]

i get shell because with a airmiles card you get 8 cents off a liter of premium fuel so it reduces the price of premium to midgrade prices....plus we dont have any o that high end fuel here in central canada, Saskatchewan. highest grade we got is 91 premium.

[@VancityAudi]

Nice! Sadly, those types of promotions aren't the same throughout North America.

[@Crosshatch1212]

I’m in uk so I just have to suffer ,

[@Gcbyvr666]

Excellent tests here. I’ve been running Chevron 94 octane in my 2027 M240i 6-speed since day one. My car is stock, except for the valveless BMW M-Performance muffler that I fairly recently installed. I’m going to performance tune my car soon at Classic Garage, so I’ll try the Shell 93 high performance fuel then. Thanks for this awesome video.

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you for watching! Good luck!

[@Corbots80]

Not a surprise that Shell did so well. Yet great to see in confirmed. Next question is. What is best longterm? Most likely Shell as well

[@VancityAudi]

If Shell is providing the most resistance to knock, what would make you think it wouldn't be the best fuel to run long term?

[@ArneuTube]

thank you for your enthusiasm and informative video, great content!

[@VancityAudi]

You're welcome You're very welcome! Thank you for the kind words and for watching!

[@TwoPair72]

I have found Shell yields the best mileage over all of them. Including ethanol free stuff. This is in the U.S. and I do run a higher octane in my vehicles. Went from 360 to 400 miles to E and change on the Mazda CX-50 on 89. Run what runs is best for you.

[@ggsdude1]

I just got a cx50 so you found shell 89 is far better for mileage?

[@TwoPair72]

@@ggsdude1 Avg closer to 30 mpg now. Tossed in a K&N filter. 89 is basically 93 blended with 87. The 93 has less than 5% ethanol or lower pending on area. To me, it works better with the high compression.

[@ggsdude1]

@@TwoPair72 k&n air engine filter?

[@TwoPair72]

@@ggsdude1 high flow air filter you can wash and reuse. Been running them for 30 years and not one issue. They breathe better.

[@ggsdude1]

@@TwoPair72 what part number is it?

[@jeeplivion]

Awesome video, shell 93 it is! Can't wait to get flex on my b8.5 s4 😆

[@victorliu9715]

With my summer car on 93+ Octane tune, Shell 93 Nitro+ V-Power, similar to your testing, has better Knock Control and doesn't pull timings as much at higher RPMs compared to Chevron 94. However, here in Victoria, BC, only a couple of Shell stations carry 93 Octane. Chevron 94 is more readily available. You are also rught about the Ethanol sticker on the Chevron pumps - they dont have them anymore.

[@VancityAudi]

Ya, that sucks that you have limited Shell stations in Victoria

[@Funkydood]

Great work, guys! Thanks a lot! I used to think that Techron (Chevron/Texaco) was as good as Shell's Nitro!

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome!

[@JimS870]

Thank you very much for posting this! Much love from PoCo !

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome!

[@8lakk5unshine]

Great video! I personally don't like the performance I saw from my stage 1.5 tuned turbo car on Costco gas, despite people telling me how good it was. I use primarily Shell 92 (I'm in WA State), but I stopped at an Indian casino that has a gas station recently and my car performed better than it ever had. Idk what kind of gas they carry, but I keep going back now!

[@VancityAudi]

Did you perform data logs to prove that you are actually getting better performance? Or simply going by Dragy numbers or by a butt dyno feeling? I'm willing to bet you money that the fuel you're getting from those stations doesn't provide you better performance.

[@8lakk5unshine]

@@VancityAudi Actually, not only did the car feel more responsive in 4th gear, my gauge (which is an estimate and not a dyno) gave me a reading that was 6 hp above the highest reading I had ever had before. I don't own a shop, I'm not selling anything, and I don't even own taht car anymore so I am not trying to convince anyone. People can do whatever they like with this anecdotal information.

[@VancityAudi]

​@jessicaphoenix1312 so no actual data other than your own butt dyno. What are you talking about in regards to an in car gauge that will indicate more performance?

[@8lakk5unshine]

@@VancityAudi The gauge in my 2023 Elantra N is pretty good with numbers on PSI, torque, bhp, G forces and other info. It is not a dyno, but in my experioence the information lines up exactly with what Lap 3 has documented.

[@8lakk5unshine]

@@VancityAudi Dude, its grat to be curious, but you are judging that I am just going by feel and completely ignoring the fact I said I have gauges.

[@DrJBKlein]

Thank you so much for this video comparison. I am going to use the Chevron 94 octane fuel because my engine only puts out 180 hp. and 155 ft. lbs. of torque. I could never achieve an extra 10 hp. as the Audi 4L. V8 received. My boost in both areas of power would be negligible if any. On the other hand, 94 octane is going to squash any possibility of engine knock. I would hope that you would in the future do a video on fuel cleaning additives the oil companies utilize for their fuel. It tends to be a big secret; even with Top Tier fuels.

[@VancityAudi]

Rather than blindly using Chevron 94 I'd recommend you log the different fuels in your car to see how they respond. For all you know you'll still achieve near maximum performance on Shell 91 and you won't have to spend as much at the pump. Sadly I will not be doing any more comparisons on fuels or anything to do with fuels including fuel additives.

[@sjin142]

Thank you so much for the amazing content!!! And now I'm curious about the best performing diesel, hehehe.

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome!

[@duanehumphries1309]

Great videos. I’ve recently discovered your channel and love it. I recently purchased a MK8 R and like it so far. Wanting to tune very soon.

[@VancityAudi]

Welcome aboard!

[@4u2nvinmtl]

Thanks for the video, exactly the same findings and my tuner tool shows me on road (no dyno).

[@VancityAudi]

You're welcome. Seeing as this fuel comparison only covers the fuel found in the Lower Mainland, BC, it doesn't pertain at all to your local fuels.

[@4u2nvinmtl]

@@VancityAudi didnt realize they are blended locally. Just assumed its a very similar blend coast to coast.

[@martinbedard371]

Was a fuel learning run ran in between. When you put better fuel you should drive at highway speeds for about 10 mins while varying your rpms. And then your car's ecu should realize that it has better fuel and adjust itself. Very important step because until you do that your ecu thinks it still has the same fuel

[@VancityAudi]

You are 100% incorrect with your assumptions. That's not at all how modern-day ECU's work. As soon as the fuel is better or worse in the gas tank, the ECU will either adapt positively or negatively within a few runs as I clearly demonstrated in this video, as well as every other fuel comparison I've done prior to this video.

[@4u2nvinmtl]

In Montreal it varies from station to station, but for me personally (6.1L Jeep SRT, I see one in the background @19:08) I use 94 Petro-Canada because my car is tuned for 93 octane (US email tune) and every other station only sells 91. Note: 94 octane is achieved with ethanol unlike US brands where some 93 octane's don't use any ethanol. The odd thing is i get (short) knock from some Petro-Canada 94 octane gas stations (I assume it's old gas or water is seeping into the tank somehow). There's also a summer and winter blend of gas (different performance between the two)

[@VancityAudi]

I'm not sure if you meant it to sound this way or if you're simply misled. Your Petro Ultra and Xclean 94 are not 94 because of the additional ethanol. That formula simply contains ethanol, just like many, if not almost all of the premium fuels do across Canada now with some expectations. I can also tell you were either commenting on the video before you had finished it, or you skipped sections because I covered the summer vs winter blend in the video and how they differ.

[@4u2nvinmtl]

@@VancityAudi well if they didnt have the ethanol content the fule woulnt be 94 octane. Just like your 94, and e85 blend makes more power. Ethanol or methanol will increase octane. 93 from sunoco in up state NY was 0 ethanol (highest ive seen without some blend of ethanol). Try methanol next time 😉 I find it performs really well and its cheaper than buying vp race fule.

[@VancityAudi]

​@4u2nvinmtl I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but you're incorrect. Our local 87 octane fuel has up to 10% ethanol in it too. That isn't what brings it up to 87 octane. It is simply contained within the blend, just like your 94 octane is. There was a federal mandate put in last year that eventually all fuels at Canadian pumps need to contain up to 10% ethanol. That is still being implemented across the country.

[@JRViBRATiONS]

This is what i needed ⚡️

[@VancityAudi]

Glad I could be of help!

[@DigitalHabit]

24:20 E85 is also available at Otter Co-Op on 248th in Langley

[@VancityAudi]

That isn't E85. That's FlexFuel, and the highest E content it has is E63. It will never be any higher than that.

[@DigitalHabit]

@@VancityAudi Oh, good to know, I didn't know there was that much of a difference between E85 and flexfuel

[@VancityAudi]

​@DigitalHabit as shown on the pump at CO-OP, FlexFuel ranges from E51 - E83, whereas the E85 at Northside Petroleum is always E85. Luckily CO-OP has always been E63 and it hasn't fluctuated.

[@DigitalHabit]

@VancityAudi I'm gonna have to swing by Northside Petroleum and give try it out now. It really sucks there's not more places around here with E85

[@VancityAudi]

​@DigitalHabit it's horrible that we only have ONE E85 provider in the entire province! Without them, none of us horsepower junkies would be able to get our fix!

[@drdanimalsize]

Excellent info thanks very much!

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome!

[@Trades46]

Thank you for such detailed and time consuming content.

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome!!!

[@Quik_SQ5]

Amazing video Adam 🔥.

[@VancityAudi]

Glad you liked it!

[@WowRixter]

Very interesting test. Thanks. I was so disappointed when Chevron did away with their ethanol free fuel.

[@VancityAudi]

You, among many other people with older vehicles and toys they park for extended periods of time.

[@LawrenceMarkFearon]

Very valuable dyno testing. I just wonder if you understand the magnitude of this video. I link share it in the forums often. My seat of the pants feel on Shell V-Power says there's more horsepower to the wheels going on here. Congratulations.

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you for sharing this video! It's important that the local performance enthusiasts see how much fuel affects their performance.

[@matthat1963]

Kudos for the effort you went to here - amazing! great that you went through the data logs as well as the dyno numbers. Couple of Q’s on the testing. How did you remove the previously tested fuel from the tank and fuel lines prior to testing each subsequent fuel? Are the mustang dyno numbers raw or do they have corrections for any differences in environmental conditions through the day (temp, humidity, atmospheric pressure). Cheers!

[@VancityAudi]

We used a 'Drain Fuel' function using Integrated Engineering tuning software. It runs the Low Pressure Fuel Pump. We connected an external fuel line to the fuel system, and we ran it until the tank was completely dry. The dyno numbers are uncorrected. I'll add this information to my pinned comment.

[@mickmaguire9697]

Hi great video, I think winter fuel has more ethanol to reduce ice freezing in gaslines. On the prairies before winter fuels were available we had to add ISOPROPYL to a fuel tank to remove the frozen ice in a gas line when >(-30). As you know water and gasoline don’t mix, and the separated water can then freeze and block the line

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you. As I explained in the video though, winter blends contain LESS ethanol than the summer blends. The higher the ethanol content the more difficult it is to start your engine. A prime example of this is when vehicles are tuned to run high ethanol blends like my 2018 Audi RS3 which is tuned to run E85. It has an extremely difficult time starting in the winter months when it is cold out vs the summer months when it fires right up even when running an 85% ethanol blend.

[@darylmorse]

@@VancityAudi As far as I understand, the differences between summer and winter blends are due to the different volatility of the fuels due to the temperature difference.

[@Photosbydrew]

Adam, excited to watch this one. But 10 s in I'm already wondering what the silver wheels on the mk8 Gti (black One) are? you or anyone know?

[@VancityAudi]

If you reach out to PG Performance they can help you out!

[@PNWMTHOOD]

I run a fuel terminal in oregon, all fuel at every station is made to a spec the only difference is going to be your additive that is blended at the rack when the truck is loading, we all use the same spec for fuel and the same ethanol, we have one pipeline here that supplies all the terminals all of our refineries put a required spec of whatever grade fuel into the same pipeline to get it to us, and then when its in our tanks we even can ship each other fuel between terminals to keep them or us supplied, meaning shell to chevron or chevron to p66 transfers, so when i here someone say there car runs better on a certain fuel around here its pretty much bs because we are all using the same spec fuel and ethanol, there are just differences in certain brands additive and the amount they use, when you see top tier fuel it has nothing to do with the base product gasoline it just means they inject more fuel additive in at the loading rack when the truck is loaded.

[@VancityAudi]

Things work a little differently here in Canada, but very similar. Yes, they all come from the same base fuels that are created at different refineries. They have to meet a certain spec in order to be sold. With that said each brand uses their own blend of additives which does make a massive difference in terms of performance. This is like the 4 or 5th time we have done fuel comparisons on this channel and have consistently seen better performance in some fuels compared to others based off the additives that are being used by a particular company.

[@mitchdnf7406]

Thank you!

[@ProgTrance]

Any updates on the b9 s4? Did you figure out what's wrong with the engine? Looking forward to more b9 s4 content!

[@VancityAudi]

I provided an update on November 9th on my Instagram page. We bought a used motor for an engine swap, and it turned out that the motor had damage in the 5th cylinder.

[@helsonly722]

Should add supersave in the mix just to see the difference in numbers

[@VancityAudi]

Feel free to do the testing again and let us know how it goes!

[@DjPPIZZ]

Lol kicking you out, time to buy your own dyno, 24 hour sessions 😂

[@VancityAudi]

Reiter Performance will be investing in one down the road so we'll have all day and all night! Lol

[@JordieG8]

I love me some ethanol. E40 is such a good street blend.

[@VancityAudi]

Not on a car that hasn't been tuned to run an E40 blend, lol

[@JordieG8]

@@VancityAudi I didn’t say to run it on a car without the appropriate calibration… but yes, you’re correct.

[@VancityAudi]

​@@JordieG8I need to really spell things out in the comment section because people that don't know any better might just throw E40 in an untuned car, lean their motor out, go BOOM, and then come back to me and tell me they read it in my comments that it was okay.

[@JordieG8]

@@VancityAudi that’s fair.

[@EvilUSEmpire]

You should try E46 M3, that S54 engine would show any difference in quality of fuel very obviously. But my question is if more power means better quality in terms of reliability, protection of engine, fuel system, carbon build up, etc? Or that requires more in depth tests perhaps?

[@VancityAudi]

I won't be performing any more fuel comparisons. I would imagine that quality of fuel would make a difference in that motor as well. Just not as much because it is naturally aspirated. More power most certainly doesn't equal better reliability, protection of the engine, fuel system or carbon build up. These tests are simply done to find out which fuel provides the most resistance to knock in order to make the most power.

[@EvilUSEmpire]

@@VancityAudi Thank you very much, it is a very difficult test, I am sure it was a lot of work for you to provide us with this valuable video. I used to have E46 M3 and I just bought Z4 M which has the same engine, I could clearly feel the difference between Petro Canada (Suncor) Octane 94 and other brands 91 in 2008 in Toronto, But I don't feel any difference in term of power or fuel efficiency in my 2012 M3. I see carbon build up in my M3 engine and I am not sure which gas is the best to solve this issue. Perhaps Shell 93?

[@VancityAudi]

@@EvilUSEmpire Sadly I've heard it all before from many people saying they could "feel the difference" and then when I actually tested it for them there was little to no difference other than possibly a placebo effect. Now if you had logs from the two different fuels that I could look at, I'd then believe you if I could see additional timing gained from one fuel to another on your naturally aspirated car. In terms of solving carbon build up, add some port injectors! They'll clean that all right up! Haha

[@archarmy]

can't wait to see a comparison between diesels 💯

[@VancityAudi]

Sadly, that won't be happening

[@behindthebuild8016]

Long story short if u don’t care about 10hp fill up anywhere. If you want great power run e20. A lot of work so well done.

[@VancityAudi]

Well it's over 20hp from one 93 octane to another, so I'd say it's more important than that, lol. But ya, for the everyday consumer, all of our fuel gets the job done.

[@behindthebuild8016]

Keep up the great content always look forward to your videos

[@VancityAudi]

@@behindthebuild8016 Thank you

[@speeddemonRS3]

I watched almost the whole video lol, it was very entertaining, and I'm more knowledgeable!

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching!

[@sheepstardetail]

Good stuff! I owned a 2012 RDX that required 91 (I guess back then tuning it out wasn't an option), made my peace with the price at the pump. Switched to a 2019 Odyssey and it runs 11.5 compression but only calls for 87. I tried a tank of 89 and my fuel economy over similar temps and driving conditions (work commuting) improved. Would you guys consider doing another 87 vs 89/91 in car that doesn't require it? Maybe use a couple styles of engines (NA vs Turbo)?

[@VancityAudi]

you mean like this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaXRd5qop7N9bs0si=56Tf43brd4hJOcQp or like this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3-Ziq1ufpx6r9Esi=J2oghPtWtefrjzKJ

[@sheepstardetail]

@@VancityAudi those are both turbocharged engines. I’m saying try a higher compression NA engine that gets around the compression using direct injection. Also not arguing your results, just asking to try a different injection/motor design. I have only run the one tank of 89 so far but my fuel economy on identical route with mostly identical traffic/etc is 1.5-2 L/100km better versus 87. EDIT: I live in the lower mainland so if you need a donor car to test you can use mine! Sliding doors and VTEC!

[@alj7094]

Awesome content 👏

[@VancityAudi]

Glad you liked it!

[@eduardoreyes8697]

Amazing

[@cadpires]

Very nice video! And about the new unitronic flex fuel software?

[@VancityAudi]

That video drops this coming Saturday

[@MM-ww6yb]

Great video 👍🏻

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you

[@arsenyrazhkov4559]

Co-op in aldergrove is also a supplier of E-85 that not everyone knows about

[@VancityAudi]

That isn't E85. That's FlexFuel, which stays at a consistent E62-E63.

[@Ryanbains93]

Adam when adding an E20 blend how many litres of e85 would you say you added to spike it to the E20 blend?

[@VancityAudi]

You have to use an E85 calculator to determine how much you need to add to get the blend you're looking for: play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ProfiSoft.EthanolBlendCalculator

[@600wheel]

Does all Chevron 94 have ethanol now? I haven’t looked at the pump that closely in a while but not to long ago there was no ethanol. That’s why I even run my lawnmower on 94 so I know that the gas I put on the shelf it’s gonna be good whenever I go to use it I also have a supercharged Mustang and an Evo, I don’t want ethanol in them when I park at the end of the season or ever. Please say it isn’t so

[@VancityAudi]

Yes, in the Lower Mainland, BC, Canada, all Chevron 94 has ethanol in it now as mentioned in the video.

[@600wheel]

@@VancityAudi yah I went to the end for results. Also NOOOOOOOO! I hate that shit. Now I’m going to be cleaning fuel injectors every spring

[@600wheel]

@@VancityAudi Does any gas station have ethanol free here anymore? I didn’t watch the whole video because honestly I was only interested in the results you even alluded to that in your video. I spend my spare time playing with my toys,a supercharged fully built (road race suspension set up)Fox Body that is caleeeeen and a equally clean Evo 1. Can you blame me? Thank you for doing the video I definitely learned from it

[@VancityAudi]

​@600wheel there are no ethanol free fuels here anymore.

[@600wheel]

@@VancityAudi depression is setting in hard, another reason to hate this world. Makes it harder for winter storage cars. Thanx man

[@chrisiztheman1618]

Thanks for the testing. Do you guys have Petro 94 out west? Also…. Any chance you could test octane boosters like VP?

[@VancityAudi]

Sadly I'll never test octane boosters on the channel because I would never recommend people run them. We only have a single Petro Canada near the Area 27 race track in Oliver, BC, which is like 4 hours away from where I live, so we didn't include it in this video.

[@chrisiztheman1618]

@@VancityAudiThanks for the reply. I’ve had some surprisingly good results with VP octanium in my bmw and supercharged hemi. RPM(gm shop in the states) were able to add an additional 7 degrees of timing to a high horsepower c7z by using vp compared to straight 93. Not sure about long term negative side effects… though my engines look clean.

[@VancityAudi]

​@chrisiztheman1618 I'm guessing your spark plugs were destroyed though, and are all orange. I always recommend people run low ethanol blends if they want to make more power in newer vehicles. Up to 20% ethanol in most modern-day VAG cars seems to be handled extremely well.

[@chrisiztheman1618]

@@VancityAudi No, plugs are perfectly fine..VP is a very faint purple. I know the stuff you’re reffering to that leaves orange varnish everywhere. Not the case with VP at all. It’s the leaded stuff as well which is supposed to be hard on cats… no issues after years of using it(not every tank). The tuner treats it like 102 octane. Good to know regarding the 20% ethanol. I’ll have to try it. It’s hard to find e85 in Ontario besides the boutique stuff out of a can.

[@VancityAudi]

@@chrisiztheman1618 Oh neat! I was unaware of any octane booster out there that didn't destroy your plugs. Last time I used one was the Royal Purple octane booster back in 2016. It worked like a hot damn, but my plugs were ruined. I can completely understand if you're looking for more octane and ethanol is not easy to come by so you use a booster. It gets hella expensive when you are buying E85 by the drum.

[@pe456nj]

Always shell in my rides 👍

[@4u2nvinmtl]

For zero knock at the track pick up "Race Gas" (orange and white label) and mix with 94 octane. Note: it's methanol so I wouldn't leave any in the tank.

[@VancityAudi]

Seeing as the cost of race fuel is astronomical, we recommend people simply run an E15 to E20 blend for a much more cost-effective, fuel system safe way to clear up any knock you're seeing

[@4u2nvinmtl]

@@VancityAudi the methanol & 94 mix is about 50$ for 1/4th tank (blended). Problem is theres no e85 anywhere near me. Also i still think methanol > ethanol (make for a cool video).

[@mooiman9]

Did you do a comparison with regular Diesel and shell V power Diesel fuel?

[@VancityAudi]

I haven't and I won't be. Sorry.

[@XMG3]

sorry maybe I missed it, but was fresh engine oil used for each test ? Thank you for doing God's work

[@VancityAudi]

😂 No. Why would we change the oil in between each fuel change?

[@XMG3]

@@VancityAudi 😂 For the affects of degraded engine oil under heavy load dyno, I don't know. I mean, what you did was already beyond anyone could ask for, but I was just curious

[@VancityAudi]

​@@XMG3haha, uhhhh ya. That was most certainly not something we were willing to do. That didn't even come across our minds to be honest considering we've done so many of these comparisons in the past and have never done that.

[@AzNightmare]

*I had no idea this video dropped and it was 4 weeks ago! Did you not make a post about it in the fb group?*

[@VancityAudi]

Multiple posts actually, across multiple groups, including my personal pages as well.

[@fortnite360HZ]

Im in Canada great video but u forgot to add Sunoco Ultra 94 which is sold under Petro Canada which beats all the fuels u demonstrated there and i know cause i dynoed all od them and ultra 94 sunoco is the best of all of them

[@VancityAudi]

Helps to actually watch the video before making ignorant comments 👍🏼

[@fortnite360HZ]

@@VancityAudi i watched it not many made much of a difference but the only fuel that will make a difference is the sunoco ultra 94 that was not even in the test nothing ignorant here ....and i said good video not bad

[@VancityAudi]

​@fortnite360HZ WE DON'T HAVE SUNOCO 94! 😂😂😂 This test ONLY pertains to Vancouver, Canada fuel. No where else

[@fortnite360HZ]

@@VancityAudi didnt know i am in Ontario sorry I thought they had it there especially with the name Petro Canada thats Trudeau for u LOL

[@fortnite360HZ]

@@VancityAudi Also here in Ontario most of us stopped using ESSO AND MOBIL GAS and same goes for Pioneer fuel apparently they are independently owned and water happened to get in the tanks at a Mobil station in Guelph Ontario and ruined a lot of engines I usually Stick to Shell or Petro Canada here ...I even avoid Husky Fuel but they state their diesel Fuel is good....We have Ultramar as well and both Shell and Ultramar 91 had no ethanol in their 91 which recently changed cause of the government of course

[@Dstromb232]

nice video.

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you very much!

[@ritchardposterior262]

Beautiful info, it makes me wonder how water-methanol would change it now.... maybe talk to the audi owner.... you know... for science.

[@sdr_xp]

I am in Ontario, we dont have chevron 94 but if you go to Petro Canada, they have Ultra 94, would that be the same??

[@VancityAudi]

No it would not be the same. Petro Canada has a different additive package than Chevron. Your best bet is to test it yourself by logging the car with a tank of Petro Canada Ultra 94 and then the log a tank of fuel from the next best fuel provider you have over there.

[@kevinkaiser9753]

Where is the go fund me link so I can contribute?

[@VancityAudi]

Long gone! All of the costs were covered by the GoFundMe and PG Performance's contributions.

[@600wheel]

It’s gonna be Chevron! All I have used since the 90’s in my cars SHELL??? I have no idea how this happened but the only thing I know about Shell is I constantly remember hearing about water in their gas.

[@VancityAudi]

If they had water in their gas, they would have had lawsuits coming out their butt 🤣

[@600wheel]

@@VancityAudi in the 1970s Shell was replacing steel gas tanks at gas stations with fibreglass ones causing water contamination problems. There was also a situation in Seattle (2008) where a bunch of people got water in their gas. All you have to do is read a couple of articles like this back when we had newspapers and it sticks in your head. Shell gas has forever had problems and people did sue, of coarse they did it happened in the US. You can get sued for getting to close to somebody walking down the street in the US. In 2017 Shell settled for epa violations because of contaminants in their gas causing excessive emissions. In Abbotsford where I live Shell gas had 2 stations with water contamination in 1994. These stations had been around since WW2. These are just a few things I found very quickly with a Google search. I’m 52 and have been hearing stories about Shell gas since I started driving and warnings against it, stuff like that sticks in your head

[@EdAb]

As I understand it, all Shell fuel for western Canada, is refined at the Fort Saskatchewan (Edmonton-ish) Scotford Refinery. What are the difference between Edmonton 93 and Vancouver 93? Is the Vancouver 93 modified somehow once it arrives in the Lower Mainland, or is it different fuel when it departs Scotford? Cheers

[@VancityAudi]

This sounds like a question for Shell, Canada. Sorry

[@wally6193]

Not necessarily true. Every refinery has contracts with other refineries for supply. So just because the gas station says Shell on the pumps( or any other gas station)doesn't mean it's products come from the Shell refinery in Fort Sask. At the refinery I worked in for 8 years, we supplied most fuels(not all to some of the retail stations) to Esso, Shell, PetroCan, Coop etc etc in the Calgary region. For example in Regina where the Coop refinery is located, they will supply all the fuels for every brand in the area and probably in Manitoba as well. The only differences will be each brands additive package, which gets added while the tanker trucks or rail cars are getting loaded. We also supplied fuels to Montana and Washington state. As for Costco, the last I knew was they had a contract with Imperial Oil refinery in Fort Sask, although that may have changed since then, Costco basically goes for who ever will give them the best deal. Same as Super Save gas, their contract(as of last year) was with Imperial Oil Refinery. The refinery in Burnaby supplies what products they produce to contracted retailers- could be Esso or Shell or any of the others including Chevron. And considering Chevron doesn't have a refinery in Canada anymore, their products for BC could come from any of the refineries in Fort Sask or possibly from the refinery in Blain Washington or who ever they can get the best contract from.

[@ElegalvicnLa]

Can you try the additional ethanol test on some Hybrid vehicles

[@VancityAudi]

No, sorry. I'm not interested in doing any more fuel comparison videos, especially on hybrids.

[@andybai5168]

Just moved to BC from Montreal and wow so many options here instead of being stuck with Petro-CAN 94. Definitely trying Shell 93 for my next fill.

[@4TKRACE]

nice job

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you

[@Strictlybusiness79]

Wonder if using Petro 94 would benefit a stock 24’ SQ5?

[@VancityAudi]

Considering we don't have Petro 94 I couldn't say for certain, but we've seen peak performance obtained in a stock B9 SQ5 locally with our local 93 octane fuel.

[@Strictlybusiness79]

@@VancityAudi any timing issues ?

[@VancityAudi]

​@Strictlybusiness79 that's what I was referring to.

[@horizondriving5601]

Hi Adam, thanks for doing this... Last time you did this the costco 91 was bad... It seems like it has improved its fuel. Why do you think that is? Could it really be rebranded shell?

[@VancityAudi]

What the heck would make you think it's rebranded Shell? Lol. It certainly looks like it performs better now that it has the additional ethanol added to it.

[@horizondriving5601]

@@VancityAudi seen on an old forum that it was rebranded shell but not sure! Maybe they just added ethanol to it but I wonder who sources the fuel. Thanks anyways

[@horizondriving5601]

@@VancityAudi I just spoke to the guys filling up the tanks at my local shell and they said that shell supplies the gasoline for Costco's around here. He said it's their unbranded stuff so maybe not exactly the same as v-power but could be quite similar. This would explain Costco's fuel and adding of ethanol being timed similar to the new shell. Just thought you'd be interested!

[@VancityAudi]

​@horizondriving5601 it for sure doesn't have the same additives as Shell's fuel because that's proprietary to Shell's branded fuel. It also wasn't timed the same as Shell. Shell's new formula was brought to the Lower Mainland in roughly September 2022. Costco switched to a premium fuel with ethanol added to it earlier this year. Thanks for the info though!

[@danield619dd]

Which Fuel grade would you recommend for Lexus TX 500H ? Lexus recommends 91

[@VancityAudi]

Are you local to me?

[@danield619dd]

@@VancityAudi Yes I am in the Lower Mainland.

[@kudynski]

Sorry to point this out, but you were doing the highest horsepower rating at night. When the temperature was the coldest.

[@VancityAudi]

Here are the exact Times, Temperatures and Density Altitudes for the final 3 fuels: Esso 93: 6:20pm, 45.5 degrees Fahrenheit, -1010DA Chevron 94: 6:52pm, 45 degrees Fahrenheit, -1049DA Shell 93: 7:28pm, 44.5 degrees Fahrenheit, - 1100DA So yes, as much as it progressively got cooler at night, the difference between the ambient conditions on the final 3 fuels was extremely small. If I could have controlled Mother Nature and the ambient conditions I would have, lol.

[@Quik_SQ5]

Oh question, is it safe to go to an e20 blend if your not on an ethanol tune ? And how high can you actually go? Thx 🙏

[@VancityAudi]

I just demonstrated and proved you can, lol. I don't recommend you run higher than an E15 blend without logging your car.

[@dwvw]

@@VancityAudi agreed, log the car and look at the fuel pump duty cycles, if there is headroom run more E, if not, don't.

[@Spirited_Driver]

Nice

[@bobsoft]

4:53 There is no Ethanol free fuel in BC as of August 2023. Chevron was the last to hold out.

[@VancityAudi]

I am well aware. If you listen to what I'm saying, I'm speaking in the past tense.

[@uabir8338]

Back to Costco gasoline for me😂😂😂

[@chrisb7161]

What about Sunoco or Mobil have you ever tested their 93?

[@VancityAudi]

We don't have Sunoco fuel here in BC, Canada. Mobil is the exact same fuel as Esso here. Just branded differently.

[@phenixlopez7979]

I have two questions if there's one gas truck delivering gas so all the stations why have different ratings of gas???? Am I second question is What about no ethanol????

[@VancityAudi]

The trucks are delivering 2 different octanes of fuel. The highest octane as well as regular. When you fill up with anything in between the pump blends those two fuels together to get the correct octane you've chosen. What do you mean, what about no ethanol? That isn't an option anymore in the Vancouver, BC, Canada.

[@30YearOldBunta]

what a legend

[@fortnite360HZ]

He missed out on ultra 94 sunoco which beats all these fuels in Canada which u can buy

[@azizkizbayev439]

Whistler here🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@phillipmanti1987]

What about these 91+ fuels without ethanol. Where I live (Central Wisconsin) none of the Premium (91 octane ) fuels contain ethanol……I hope someone can answer my question. My vehicle is a Subaru with 3.0 L six cylinder which requires 91 octane due to its 10.7 to 1 compression ratio.

[@VancityAudi]

On average you'll experience better fuel economy with zero ethanol blended into your fuel. You'll also experience worse performance in a modern day motor.

[@LevyMorris-r1t]

Give us a comparison of 93 octane with ethanol and without. I am in South Carolina and I refuse nol mix. I run 93 non only in everything. I had a 1998 Pontiac Firebird TA that ran like shit if you put 93 with ethanol in it.

[@VancityAudi]

No. Do that comparison yourself. I've already mentioned hundreds of times in these videos and in these comments, these tests ONLY PERTAIN TO THE FUEL FOUND IN VANCOUVER, CANADA. Test your own fuel where you live to see how they each perform compared to one another.