What is the Best Weapon in L4D2? (Tier List)

[@ErossMcCloud]

it’s a magazine, not a clip

[@nascoz3884]

Sorry.

[@ErossMcCloud]

forgiven

[@voice6760]

Somebody always gotta be the one to say this 😂

[@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478]

@@nascoz3884 You can actually often enough oneshot commons, you just have to aim to the brain zone, not in the whole head instead

[@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478]

@@nascoz3884:The weapons with most damage Also in video: *Shows combat shotgun instead of autoshotgun*

[@robrick9361]

Best weapon is the medkit, it can kill anything with enough melee hits and can heal you too, which no other weapon can do.

[@ALee-if6ld]

@@umbreonhidden1174 no because that's temporary health.

[@Adi_The_Gamer4158]

Imagine doing Blood Harvest Pills only

[@Randomgames362]

​@@Adi_The_Gamer4158you're insane

[@V2Plushi]

@@Adi_The_Gamer4158 Get wow gaming to this.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@robrick9361 it can even your teams will to continue if you repeatedly cancel the heal ;)

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

My hopes and dreams disappeared when i discovered the AK is just as accurate as the M16 while moving

[@thanosdevito]

the ak47 is less accurate than the m16 while moving. the m16 has a max spread of 5 while moving, while the ak47 has 6.

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

@@thanosdevito "Don't you see, instead of being incapable of hitting the side of a barn with the M16, you only hit the neighbors dog instead"

[@thanosdevito]

@@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961 you didn't address the fact that the m16 is more accurate than the ak47 in all cases. i'm not glazing the m16; i think the ak47 is definitely a hell of a lot better. but without a laser sight, there is a very clear difference in accuracy. just so there's no confusion, here is every single accuracy-related stat for the m16 and the ak47. vertical punch (recoil): 1.2 for the m16, 2 for the ak47. spread per shot: 0.75 for the m16, 1.6 for the ak47. spread decay: 5 for the m16, 7 for the ak47. in this instance, the ak47 is technically better, but it's generally irrelevant because spread decay matters most when you're holding down the trigger, and the ak47's massive spread per shot means it still gains spread a lot faster than the m16. minimum ducking spread: 0.05 for the m16, 0.5 for the ak47. the m16 is ten times more accurate when crouching. minimum standing spread: 0.4 for the m16, 1 for the ak47. minimum airborne spread: 1.5 for the m16, 3 for the ak47. maximum moving spread: 5 for the m16, 6 for the ak47. there is not a single situation in which the ak47 is more accurate than the m16.

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

@@thanosdevito Which is only applicable while standing still or crouching. And performance-wise compared to the AK is similar in the gun'n'run scenarios. Said statistical difference is redundant and will be hard pressed to find a real case of "yeah, i hit that because of M16 accuracy". Even the stats *certain apologists* use support me, because the AK MaxSpread(35.0) and MaxMovementSpread(6.0), the two most primordial factors while moving has a minuscule +5 and +1 disparity unlike the SCAR stats which absolutely do make an impact. _How about next time you lazily copypaste a steam guide you even attempt to apply it to in-game knowledge and uses?_

[@FilthyCasualty]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961 I don’t understand, Devito is not even trying to make a case that the M16 is better, they’re just saying it will be more accurate. I know the differences are negligible but the facts are facts and it shows that the M16 will be more accurate. This wasn’t an argument about how either gun performs in-game. Why did you write your last message in a passive-aggressive tone? Are you aware of your own tone? I’m not trying to get a rise out of you but the tone was kinda out of nowhere and it felt like a misunderstanding or complete shift of the conversation.

[@leonardo9259]

Mfrs will be like "oh this Dead Center campaign is too hard" my brother in Christ, YOU HAVE A AK WITH LASER SIGHTS

[@Freecsgoskinlotorussia]

its "an ak" not "A ak" Moron.

[@Immolator772]

i honestly found the passing to be harder for the first time playing. The Dead Center's ending is pretty difficult tho.

[@homerogordo5548]

They give you a FREE AK47 with LASER SIGHTS on the SECOND MAP OF DEAD CENTER

[@ArnoldRockefeller]

Swamp Fever was the hardest for me personally, Dead center is a playground compared to crawling through the swamp

[@aljonserna5598]

they're all fine, until we have to do scavenge finale where we're all basically easy targets lol (like it's hard to deal with commons if you're to help a downed/locked teammate, it's doable, even with long range since you can snipe or us sg rifle) the passing is just straight up hard, you have to really watch out and be together for the most part

[@decimation9780]

Wait, the FN SCAR, a fully automatic battle rifle, is burst fire, and the M16, which in modern day is a burst rifle, is fully automatic? Hats off, valve.

[@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478]

Scar doesnt have to be weapon for all situations, scar is perfectly fit for primary weapon because i hate smokers, and if you want to kill commons there is a secondary slot for melee, or if there is a horde - 3 bullets will not be wasted in air for sure, so i would put scar in A or even S tier, because they can be used against huge horde or be solution against all specials

[@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478]

Still - Ak47 can be better than Scar if have laser sight upgrade

[@sheacorduroy5565]

This is incredibly minor but I basically never see it mentioned: The Benelli M4 has a marginally faster reload speed on average than the SPAS, but it loads its first shell slower. The SPAS uses the same reload speed for all of its shells. Basically it means that the M4 is better if you’re mag dumping, but the SPAS is better if you reload after every shot (I think the slower first shell reload is meant to carry over the mechanic from L4D1 where you had to cock the gun if you emptied the entire clip)

[@idkwhatmynameis7326]

It doesn't really help when clearing out commons since you only should need one shot to kill them,meaning it usually has a overall slower reload It's better to let a common get close enough to you for you to one shot it,reload the one shot,and use the rest for when you need to

[@mr.nobody2858]

If you want to simplify what the main differences are between the Benelli M4/XM1014 to the SPAS, SPAS is the most predominant shotgun when it comes to accuracy which makes it very useful against specials. It’s not as good with commons but it still deals with commons very well. XM1014/Benelli M4 is predominant with crowd control due to its widespread which helps clear out hordes of common infected or groups of them with just a couple of shells which is great to do. It’s not as good at killing specials due to the spread it has but it is still serviceable to kill specials either way. That’s your options with both of them, spray and pray crowd control or spray and pray accuracy.

[@peep233]

i agree with this. but i gotta say the M4 Autoshotgun's spread is definitely useful when dealing with a shit ton of commons, like during the Dark Carnival Chapter 4 gauntlet. when you're surrounded by commons on all sides, that spread can really come in clutch.

[@DeathByZombieGames]

what a goated pfp

[@peep233]

@@DeathByZombieGames thx :)

[@Mr.TwoFaceGuy]

Why is this one of the few Left 4 dead weapon tier list? It’s a crime.

[@JAiZYouTube]

There's literally thousands of L4D tierlists online, and most of them suck lol

[@Mr.TwoFaceGuy]

@@JAiZKZbinI basically just “forgot” they existed. Probably because they suck THAT bad.

[@MHL5K]

I'd choose variety over quality (edit): Ive played versus only once and never coming back to it your "kick" jokes aren't relevant to me

[@nascoz3884]

Yes

[@H.Cat725]

Sg552 enjoyer

[@mimerfb]

Better have role oriented, such as crowner (shotgun), SI control (sniper), common cleaner/tank dealer (any).

[@MyUsersDark]

@@mimerfb Or just use whatever you like. >Votekicked instantly

[@langleysenterprise5134]

Hell no im rockin that smg till the very end

[@homerogordo5548]

Meelee tierlist: SSS+: every capable of cutting smoker's tonge and the baton. B: every other else F: chainsaw and trench

[@adriannaranjo4397]

F- tier: pocket knife

[@FreneticPotato]

​@@adriannaranjo4397 It's at least an A to me. It was F before they decided to revert the hitbox back to normal. The only problem I had with it was that I always think I have to get much closer since it's such a small weapon.

[@PizzaTuber12345]

Tonfa is probably the worst one considering the severe lack of hitrays

[@LuanNguyen-uk5gw]

​@@PizzaTuber12345 But then again, the swing speed may come in clutch in some case.

[@tgnm9615]

​@adriannaranjo4397 they fixed the knife bro. Its very good on par with katana

[@IronSabbath666]

The tier 2 autoshotty virgin vs the tier 1 pumpshotty chad

[@fangzu612]

i prefer holding chrome than spas or xm1014

[@IronSabbath666]

@@fangzu612 Absolute chad, chrome goes hard

[@fangzu612]

@@IronSabbath666 Despite cant shoot automatically the chrome feel much better and tighter shots

[@cjspellsfish]

It didn't occur to me that being pulled by a Smoker decreases accuracy. That would explain why they seem tanky when being pulled.

[@JAiZYouTube]

You can also still crouch while being pulled, which improves your accuracy. AI smokers also die after taking 50 damage while pulling someone (Excluding fire damage), so you don't even need to land many shots to free yourself.

[@popplop8943]

Theres a slight misinformation you gave about the military sniper rifle, its inaccuracy only applies during movement, just standing still (no crouch or scoping) is enough to give it dead-on accuracy, hell if you really want to shoot things with it while moving, scope in and you'll have its accuracy back

[@D33Z45T3R]

I like how the M60 - a tier 3 weapon designed to shred zombies at the cost of having a small ammo pool, does less damage than the AK47 and the Magnum Pistol.

[@GovernorRed]

Toooo be fair the m60 oneshots commons throughout all modes

[@Obviousthrowawayaccount]

Less damage than the Magnum does make sense in a balancing context but doing less than the AK-47 is ludicrous

[@billlee3851]

I love how this guy starts it video. No intro, no sponsor. Boom! We get right into it. It feels like I'm at the middle of the video everytime I click on one of these, it's great!

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

Slap a laser sight on a Mac-10 and it becomes a headshot machine for those that can aim with it. Seriously, suddenly the small damage is a non-issue because you only need 3 ammo to headshot kill a common at max, and due to the insane smg firerate every tap of your mouse1 will probably burst 3 bullets anyways.

[@garakds9]

You're pretty much unstoppable when you have laser sight ak47. I remember taking down 57 tanks in tank run

[@unamelable256]

I don't agree with Dual Pistols. Even if they suck in compare with Magnum or ANY melee. Their primary function - is to be backup weapon. You will not use dual pistols to kill commons or specials with them. You will switch to pistols, because you shoot all magazine from your primary. And if you out of ammo - you still can finish the job. That the primary function that dual pistols have, because count how fast they deploy, and ready to shoot. In case of versatility they still lose to the same Melee, and everything else for a magnum. If i will use dual pistols - its probably because i didn't found those two in the game yet. Dual Pistols should be on B or C but 100% not D.

[@alastor8091]

If you have a weapon that cant do good damage at range, dual pistols will absolute gun down any special so long as ypu can hit headshots.

[@Gookeem]

@@alastor8091the sht I say before I find a magnum:

[@doubleaa7368]

@@Gookeemcompletely valid point for the dual pistols, the thing is, is that you can almost immediately find a melee in the first chapter completely snuffing out the pistols

[@shardar6809]

@@doubleaa7368 idk i still use them, especially if im using a pump shotgun and i want to have an option to deal with far away threats like a smoker who just pulled my ally or a boomer i can barely see from afar, theyre useful early on

[@doubleaa7368]

@@shardar6809 fair

[@user-gr3yc3km1k]

There are only 2 weapons in the game: The AK47 and the rest.

[@Aanderan]

Worth mentioning for the hunting rifle is the fact some maps will make it accessible around the time you're getting tier 1 guns i'd like to say the awp is a low c or high d just because of the breakpoints it can hit in VS; but this obviously requires a lot of aim skill and team cohesion

[@geminize1]

The video could have ended 0:18 and would have gotten the same effect

[@STOPPEDINCOLORADO]

And that’s all a YT viewer can ask for.

[@bigboi8630]

Laser sights are so hard to find unless you play dead center :(

[@vonshroom2068]

They are almost as rare as GS552s hence people don't like the gun i guess.

[@JAiZYouTube]

Laser sights have a 20-25% spawn chance for almost every map, so they're actually pretty common. Chances are you're not checking every location and are just missing them when they do spawn in. If you check every location that can spawn lasers, you have around an 80% chance of ending a campaign with a laser sight.

[@Wicked_Fox]

I get a laser every campaign. Just gotta look everywhere

[@lastnameisdude]

Ackchyually, the MP5 is an "AK47 of SMGs", according to scripts and my own testing with friend. The MP5 deals 26 damage vs 25 of silenced, and it has a longer range before damage falloff kicks in. The only downside of this weapon is slightly longer reload speed and slightly slower firing speed (MP5's "CycleTime" is 0.075 vs 0.0625 of silenced).

[@rolf_dk]

We really getting uploades left and right and im all for it. You really just makes my day better with these vids Nas. Keep up the good work mate :)

[@FullHitPoints]

One thing worth mentioning about the Tier 3 weapons is that deployable ammo boxes will restore your current magazine. So with the M60, you can fire 149 rounds, pick up a box of Incendiary or Frag rounds, and now you have another full box mag of ammo to shoot. Doing this with the Grenade Launcher will give you an extra grenade, very helpful in Swamp Fever if someone on your team runs the Launcher since there's tons of Launcher and Ammo box spawns. With this in mind, it's possible to extend the lifespan of these temporary weapons, but it's still very situational to the point that I would still prefer leaving them behind.

[@theeternalbruh1267]

One thing ive always liked about l4d2 is that shotguns, while they have quite alot of spread, they do have realistic range (probably like 40 meters if you get lucky with the pellet spread)

[@user-gr3yc3km1k]

What's funny if you can circumvent the short range of shotgun with slugs irl. But I guess that's only in L4D1.

[@GritterTheBuckethead]

If the Last Stand update could buff the pump shotguns’ ammo reserve from 56 to 72, then I feel the M16 could’ve gotten an accuracy or damage buff as well. I can only dream I suppose.

[@RakNeubienniy]

I think m16 just need to pump ammo reserve too to be good. I choose M16 over Ak47 any time, just because it sounds like a power over Ak-47 paperclip gun sound. And m16 is really good at shreding hordes, until you are out of mag ammo. And if you manage mag capacity your overall capacity is same, as Ak-47, which is bs, one of the advantages for 5.56 caliber over 7.62 is you can carry 1.5 times more ammo for a same weight. So, buff capacity to 60/500, and the weapon will shine.

[@regularhooman1568]

1:05 Holy cow, Minecraft story mode’s music hasn’t been forgotten

[@theoniostuff]

MCSM has a surprisingly good soundtrack

[@user-wf5uw8jt9j]

I know the m16 is bad but by far my favorite and just the most satisfying weapon to kill zombies plus it obliterates common infected on easy and normal. I love it so much and If I see it I will always pick it up because it is cool

[@JohnSmith-tf3lm]

I like m16 because its rate of fire and lack of recoil makes me feel as though I'm shooting a gatling laser. Also it was one of the main weapons from l4d1 after the auto shotgun

[@px8]

FRL tho

[@paperclip6377]

But it isn't bad though.

[@Itz_Puxe]

It also shreds on advanced. It's my go-to primary repaired with the fire axe 🪓 also can we all just agree that the fire axe is in S tier melee weapon just based off the fact that every zombie game needs a fire axe and it's just straight up awesome❤

[@anhtaiang6434]

M16 really reliable at far range imo

[@james1328]

I love how the video starts right at the objectively correct answer, good on you content creator man. Also, AK-47 w/laser 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@user-gr3yc3km1k]

Indeed. So many comments here coping about M16 not being a bad gun is hilarious. Like, the moment the AK is presented on the table, the M16 becomes a joke.

[@thefourthrome]

@@user-gr3yc3km1kNATO cope, AK47 is better in l4d2 than the m16 also in real life too

[@nova86386]

If nas likes this i will beat a campaign on expert realism with only bolt action sniper rifles

[@kapg007]

im waiting for this

[@noxfortes]

I hope you deliver, for real

[@cheesenibbla8339]

Do it solo single take no medkit no melee as well

[@noxfortes]

@@cheesenibbla8339 bro is gonna have to skip the whole levels 😆😅

[@cheesenibbla8339]

@@noxfortes almost forgot no shove and no bhop as well

[@CreepyFace-vj5yl]

AK-47 Fan: 💀😭😡 Pistol Enjoyer: 😎🗣️🔥

[@dauntlessnicholas1672]

Forgot to mention the niche difference between the Benneli and Spas12: Reload speed. The Benneli M4 slows down when reloading the first shell and speeds back up to the same speed as Spas12’s reload. This small downside makes you lose a lot of dps compared to the Spad12 when you’re spamming 1 shots and reloading right after. It also forces you to time your reload and empty your full 10 shots to optimally deal damage to a horde, making the M4 my less favored shotguns of the game

[@mofo65]

Got 950 hours on l4d2. Always loved the auto shotguns. And let me tell you something. Placebo is hell of a thing, because i always felt that SPAS has way more spread than m1014, but this tier list vid just flipped the whole world upside down for me😭

[@nodnyl10]

The Grenade Launcher is also good for killing Witches if you don't have anyone in the team with a Shotgun. When you hit a Witch with a Grenade Launcher, the blast will stagger the Witch (standing or sitting), during that stagger animation, shove the Witch and the stagger animation will reset. This allows you to kill the Witch with a melee weapon. Just make sure you shove the Witch again after you swing your melee weapon to reset the stagger animation. Normally around 4-5 bonks from any melee will make the Witch kaput.

[@AjitaniShirasu]

There's only 2 reasons I use pistols over melee: I run out of ammo/I'm cornered, and "Switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading."

[@nascoz3884]

It's usually the opposite for me. Use pistols first then switch to primary. That works really well with the shotgun and deagle combo.

[@AjitaniShirasu]

@@nascoz3884 I'll try that next time I play. Thank you :)

[@gregorbonne9089]

Knife the watermelon

[@smellyfries1834]

Mounted Turret tier list when? Jokes aside, honestly a great tier list, and I appreciate the little message at the end!

[@TheDoomMaster]

Honestly I think I'd put the M2 Browning above the gatling gun because its accuracy is actually worth a damn. But with the gatling gun you're not really going to hit anything unless you throw a bile bomb to get all the commons in one place

[@then00brathalos]

Agree with most said for a few : -i would group all 3 smg together at Low B tier [really doesn't feel like much of a difference gameplay wise] -Nade launcher at High C [its good at clearing hordes but the swarming nature usually means you'd oof yourself anyways, if you need a horde clearer just pick up throwables] -M16 higher than Scar in B tier [the 3 round burst is quite annoying for me, a faster full auto is better at grazing hordes] -Magnum at low A [it do be good but not that good] -Dual pistols at High C [it works as a pseudo smg especially with a shotgun as primary, but the magnum still outclasses it] -Both bolt snipers at doo-doo water tier [honestly who thought bolt actions for a swarm shooter is a good idea]

[@Bruh-oz3fj]

mmm doodoo water

[@PwnageSoldier]

If the bolt actions actually did enough damage and had enough accuracy to warrant it, they'd work well and probably place high C to low A depending on your playstyle and team cohesion, since melees/magnum do work well enough vs commons and your team could help with any downsides. The devs really didn't have much foresight when they added the CS weapons (or tbh most of the Tier 3 weapons in general)

[@Ace_Rose023]

19:02 MAGAZINE!!!!!

[@Owned793]

I remember seeing it say "slow but powerful" in the gun store, this made me know it was good when i didn't know the weapon much

[@CombineSlayer24]

6:41 Coach: Man, you shot me? NasCoz and others: Talking about - *cuts away* **whoops wrong time stamp**

[@watermelonman8430]

finally someone takes into account expert realism

[@groove179]

He didnt at all. Nobody who plays solo expert realism will tell you the ak47 is better than the autoshotguns, which are practically the same - the spas is better.

[@watermelonman8430]

@@groove179 i cry for whoever only runs autoshotguns 24/7, its either the ak47 or spas.

[@australium7374]

@@watermelonman8430when it comes to expert realism the AK is almost pointless. Shotguns are the go to

[@Hemlock7275]

4:45 "it takes 3 shots kill a hunter and 2 for smokers" You know that they have the same amount of health right?

[@devestator1007]

Maybe cause the hunter is usually crouched, leaving his head forward and making it easier to shoot

[@Hemlock7275]

@@devestator1007 he shot the hunter on his arm, and l4d1 specials have a damage resistance when shot there, thats why it took 3 shots to kill

[@nascoz3884]

They do and both can be 2 shot when aiming for the body. But, the hunter is usually crouched so he is more likely to take 3 shots most of the time. Bullets are more likely to hit his arm or head.

[@greasedumpster9781]

@@Hemlock7275 any idea why its like this from a gameplay perspective?

[@JAiZYouTube]

@@nascoz3884 Headshots do 4x damage, so that would make him even easier to kill faster.

[@shooby9496]

Finding a laser sight for your AK feels like such a power trip

[@AzureRoxe]

I legit just grab whatever reason i see that looks cool, sometimes i even forget that there's Tiers.

[@ZeFluffyKnight]

Look, it's either drip or drown. And baby, with the M16 I'm walking on water.

[@nimblebrock5504]

Here come people saying, "What about the melee weapon? You said weapons in the video that includes melee."

[@nascoz3884]

Fireaxe is the best and the pitchfork is the worst

[@nimblebrock5504]

I understand the pitchfork, but why is the fireaxe the best.

[@gamerbeginner5019]

@@nimblebrock5504just watch melee nonsense

[@nimblebrock5504]

When the Apple Sauce doesn't fit in the Sock. You know you tellin the truth.

[@Wicked_Fox]

​@@nascoz3884but aren't all melee weapons one hit? So how can one suck and the other doesn't?

[@ThatGenericPyro]

Kinda interesting seeing tierlists for games where you don't really think about what weapons are better or worse, usually (Which for me that's L4D2 & Castle Crashers) Nice to finally know this stuff, cheers!

[@Your_Host]

Imo: the benneli m4 and GL are my go too guns, ive favorited the shovel lately cause of it's reach

[@idkwhatmynameis7326]

All melees have same reach,shovel just has slow asf swing speed

[@popplop8943]

@@idkwhatmynameis7326 thats actually not true, melee weapons have their specific distances, the fireaxe reaching the farthest and the most hitrays (as far as i remember) and the tonfa with shortest reach and fewest hitrays (cs knife might be worse but idk about the patch)

[@idkwhatmynameis7326]

@@popplop8943 kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3epkHivbK2dp9ksi=mhTCNi5yetcemx7r Has an entire section dedicated to how the melees swing and the only time the swings have noticably further rays are when they start/end higher More hit ways probably means more effective range though due to how they work

[@popplop8943]

@@idkwhatmynameis7326 yes its mostly due to the angle hitrays are produced are what gives them the increased reach, i should have gave more emphasis about that mechanic but i just found the hitray count itself more important gameplay wise that i completely glanced over the range. I suppose thats an error in my end

[@rustyrust6915]

ak47 is S tier wep for skeeting cocky hunters 🥰

[@teaboy301]

Try thinning a horde with the AK, and you'll realize the firerate is still too low to sweep like you can with the M16

[@orandza023]

The extra fire rate doesn't give it better dps than ak so how is it better?

[@xarrison8274]

On what difficulties/modes?

[@icy3-1]

I have a friend who is a very good shot with both the Uzi and Suppressed Mac-10, to the point where he completely forgoes Tier 2 weapons on Realism and always gets consistent headshots. He's no spray and pray guy either.

[@JAiZYouTube]

12:59 - The spas and the m4 actually have almost identical spread. They're completely interchangeable in practice, the only notable difference is their appearance. The M16 also has basically the same accuracy as the Ak47, the only difference being it's first-shot spread. Under sustained fire, their spread becomes almost the exact same.

[@user-gr3yc3km1k]

When I play on expert, the first bad habit I had to quit is holding down the fire button. Tapping is much better to get accurate shots which helps in bullet economy and getting those headshots on specials. Once I gotten used to tap-firing, even weapons like SMG and AK becomes so much more accurate I don't even bother picking up M16 if I can help it.

[@InfestedCommander]

Before this video was released, I really liked the M-16 because of the looks and some other stuff. Now that you released this video and told me about the flaws of the gun, I've changed my opinion of the M16.

[@Dashx64]

back in the day we didnt even have aks or magnums... We still had pistols with infinite ammo, damn good ones too. M16, huntng rifle, Auto shotty all are ol favorites

[@JAiZYouTube]

The Autoshotgun is meta as hell in L4D1. Literally made all other weapons obsolete with how stupidly overpowered it is.

[@user-gr3yc3km1k]

@@JAiZKZbin So they nerf it in L4D2 and now you can't kill shit unless they're within breathing distance.

[@JAiZYouTube]

@@user-gr3yc3km1k It's still insanely strong, just not as stupidly overpowered as in L4D1, where it literally made every other weapon obsolete.

[@FemboyDisciples2]

17:04 Nick to Ellis: Boy... Bring me a AK-47 with laser sights..

[@lambdrey]

20:13 No matter if game or reality.

[@roadroller8885]

the laser sights magically tightens the shotgun spread

[@TheCakeIsNotLie]

I have used m16, dual pistols, chainsaw nad grenade launcher on expert and ER for 2000 hours and I dont plan to stop anytime soon.

[@user-gr3yc3km1k]

That's just BDSM with extra steps, but you do you.

[@Obviousthrowawayaccount]

I honestly think the SPAS is pretty much in the AK-47’s tier but a different niche, there’s not much that stands a chance against a laser sighted one at close-medium range with it’s ludicrous damage output and good spread I say that as an AK-47 main

[@S_J0sly]

I agree for the ak47 0:05

[@someone1560]

The smoker part of the ak is so fucking true Also Nascoz you’re the main reason I now Play realism expert, before I thought it was the same than the normal mode but with less HUD And now I realize its an actual challenge after playing for hundreds of hours. Keep up the Good Content ❤

[@02gn49]

Yo Nas, if you're still doing campaign reviews, please check out "Mission Improbable". That pretty looking map is a lie. As much as aesthetics are amazing, gameplay is not. NO RESPECT.

[@coffee0093]

When this game came out, I ONLY used the Magnum/Pan, and the Combat Shotgun. Something about shotgunning zombies just felt so right

[@leograndthio5074]

Can you do a melee tier list?

[@heeheehaw788]

Same, I'm curious to see the differences of melee weapons can be since there are like 10+ melees ingame

[@idkwhatmynameis7326]

​ every sharp melee is better than every blunt melee except maybe Gclub and tonfa are better than pitchfork Crowbar is good at killing commons with melee switch but worse than katana because harder to tongue cut. Katana third worst sharp melee knife and machete are just better and axe with melee switch is the best melee but without it's worse than katana Blunt weps order would look smthn like Shovel,pan,bat,guitar,cricket bat,and then Gclub and tonfa can be better than one another depending on if you melee switch

[@JAiZYouTube]

@@idkwhatmynameis7326 The crowbar isn't worse at cutting tongues, it's weakness is a slow attack speed combined with a low amount of hitrays, which makes it pretty unreliable. The Katana and Golf Club also suffer from hitreg issues, since a chunk of the hitrays on the right side will randomly get skipped. The Knife is also better than the axe; It has all the same stats, but it's faster and has a wider swing.

[@idkwhatmynameis7326]

@@JAiZKZbin this is with taking melee switch into account yes the axe is better than the knife because you can shove quicker after a killed common by switching,crowbar has slow swing speed but the part that's specifically more slow about it is how slow it moves across screen after you click,which is why it's worse at tongue cuts because when a smoker sees you in close distance with crowbar it can be impossible to tongue cut,also I know no hitbox issues with club or katana because I used console commands to fix hitboxes,havent seen this "skip" before?

[@JAiZYouTube]

@@idkwhatmynameis7326 The delay between swinging and shoving is the same for all melee weapons.

[@Kacpa2]

3 round burst on SCAR should be a toggle like it is on Famas in Counter Strike. Using scroll wheel/scope button.

[@Dont_Try2hard-XD]

Magnum Pistol and AK-47 all the way

[@snadwitch]

i like the ak 47 and custom king dedede fire ax

[@maiselph7456]

When the video started, I thought you're doing a bit or it's an intro, but then I realized that you're actually explaining. Thank you for getting to the point immediately, I subscribed~

[@redkeymondude]

Melee Tier list?

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

After they removed the nerf, it is the CSS knife. Objectively, it has the best balance of speed, range, and hitbox nodes.

[@unamelable256]

Fire Axe, Katana: S tier Everything else: D tier Chainsaw: F tier

[@nascoz3884]

We kind of already have a video talking about melee weapons.

[@grimmangames7250]

Do not forget that the AK 47 also has the ability to oneshot a special infected via headshots

[@VlasimoEstacimo]

On higher difficulty, such as Hard Six or Hard Eight, both semi-auto sniper rifles are KING and QUEEN of all the weapons, because Snipers has ZERO damage fall-off unlike others. +Example: - AK47: 58dmg/10meters - 50dmg/30meters - Hunting Rifle: 90dmg/10meters - 90dmg/30meters +The snipers are *NECESSARY* on higher difficulty if you are hardcore about not having anyammo mod, which is also why they're the best weapon for ammo economy and efficiency, because spawn timer of enemies on H6/H8 are significantly shorter: - Normal SI spawn timer: 28-sec/3-SI/per-wave - Hard 6/8 SI spawn timer: 14s-sec/6-or-8-SI/per-wave

[@buunyeak8467]

Also both sniper rifles basically one-shot every SI if headshot, with consistent aim is literally unstoppable

[@VlasimoEstacimo]

@@buunyeak8467 Precisely. It has become META to weilding Sniper Rifles + Wide Arc Melee for high level playing now, all other weapons are just for you to getting by until you've found a Sniper.

[@user-gr3yc3km1k]

@@VlasimoEstacimo Which makes the M16 an even bigger joke. Also I did not know L4D2 has damage fall off. I thought that's only a TF2 thing.

[@VlasimoEstacimo]

​@@user-gr3yc3km1k yea, besides shotgun, most full-auto weapons in this game can perform well if you can CONSISTENTLY headshotting SI at reasonable range, and that's all you can do with your primary on higher difficulty. For common infected you must have melee to fend off for yourself. For semi-auto shotguns it's a very good weapon for crescendo events with tight corners and little wiggle room for sniping, but other than that you should just Snipers only.

[@VlasimoEstacimo]

@@buunyeak8467 Also if you can't 2-tap Chargers on the head with Snipers before it screams at you, then you can certainly headshot the Charger with your melee in its mid-charge. Another way of conserving your ammo and test your ping.

[@BangoJay_Official]

Something I never knew after YEARS of playing L4D2, is that if you're using a shotgun and crouch while firing - ONE buckshot pellet will always land dead center of your crosshair. It's not insanely beneficial, but I've used that trick for breaking Smoker tongues, setting off explosives, or picking off commons at a distance! Also I never understood how good the bullet penetration was on the snipers. So if you get a horde coming at you in a tight formation, one bullet can potentially take out a LOT of common infected. So I'm much less inclined to spam the trigger nowadays now that I know that. Great video! I learned a lot from it :) keep it up!

[@xtremearts8668]

Nah, this ain't it chief. AK47 is cool but tactical shotgun, any available 1 tier weapons and fireaxe or magnum pistol is my go to if there's no military snipers or hunting rifle. When some of my teammates have the shotguns, I tend to use snipers to repel long range situations, especially if they got caught by smokers or hunters when they go a bit far from the team. This synergy work in campaigns too, not just in versus mode. But yeah, its up to personal preference when it comes to that. P.S. saw clips of skilled players using scout on versus and won rounds with it. Its on the player skill, not on the weapons (with a few certain exceptions, yeah I'm talking to you M60 and chainsaw.).

[@BRNardy]

As a military sniper main for the last 12 years, I 100000% agree with this video. Also, I always played this game with a friend who loves the AK-47 in every game possible, so he'd always use the AK and the two of us would become a freaking powerhouse.

[@marcomonteiro6684]

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[@BRNardy]

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[@BRNardy]

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[@marcomonteiro6684]

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[@RolyanMemes]

1:17 "What the hell is this?" Finally found this meme after 2 years.

[@snkrhead]

I love how you keep putting in the Dynasty Warriors soundtrack in your videos, keep it up.

[@Morgan423Z]

Don't forget about the handguns: The Deagle reloads faster if you don't completely empty the clip. And if you have to carry standard pistols temporarily due to circumstances: just take one. It's way more accurate than using the pair, and the smaller number of available bullets is negated by how stupidly fast the single regular pistol reloads.

[@mistixthedivine]

The Mac 10 is extremely underrated on expert realism, really useful for commons on headshots equipped with lasers you can use that gun whole game if you want. I pretty much always pick the AK on versus mode, on expert realism I like to be versatile either auto shotgun or Mac 10, magnums for auto shotty and melee for the SMG depending on my ping

[@idkwhatmynameis7326]

@@mistixthedivine ump is usually better due to the accuracy and breaking 25 damage threshold for si and bi Technically you can make all headshots easier to land on commons Cl_interp_ratio 0 Cl_interp 0.045-0.010 but it makes commons laggy

[@mistixthedivine]

@@idkwhatmynameis7326 thanks! Yeah lag can be a real problem on expert haha

[@CaptPatrick01]

The opportunity is incredibly situational, but the AWP + explosive ammo box is basically just easier grenade launcher. (Aim at the floor and the horde disappears, don't hit them directly, it will just end in pain) If you can't find a box though, best let the bot take it, never worry about smokers again.

[@ignaciocabrera9446]

WE ARE MEAT RIDING THE AK47 WITH THIS ONE 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@JamesTheAce0]

I personally like using shotguns the most since they have pretty much no decrease in accuracy when you run n gun.

[@Felipemelazzi]

So... A "SCAR" + "double Pistols" pairing makes a lot of sense. That's why it was so much fun =)

[@SoldierOfFate]

AK47 with the laser upgrade is a cheat code on its own considering it becomes a full auto sniper rifle.

[@Nea_The_Canadian]

Fun fact did you guys know the AK's flashlight is a shotgun shell picture where the light comes from

[@Presofcamelot64]

Ive always got the AK47 modded to be the AN94 from Black Ops 2 specifically. Doesnt change the stats at all, but it looks and sounds nostalgic & badass as hell.

[@cralo2569]

the true tier list: cool tier: M16 Scar Military Sniper Pump Shotgun water wing tier: everything else

[@danielwordsworth1843]

They really ported bolt action rifles eith no thought behind them they could give them some insane headshot multiplier, like 5x more damage - it would fit an accurate weapon and also promote team play - some would pick regular guns for crowd control while other this for specials and tank

[@xarrison8274]

I think its best not to take into account "friendly fire", as that depends on the player's perception and skill rather than the gun itself, so I wouldn't really make that much of a con for the Scar

[@twatery_grave]

4:19 nice throwback

[@Joaquin__]

I didn't even know the shotguns had differences, that laser sights made guns more accurate, and that melee weapons actually had differences very good video

[@Rock-Hard]

Love the Guns in Left 4 Dead 2 its so sarisfying mowing down Zombies and I love this Video! Great Video!

[@everdeft]

I remember when the m16 used to be able to fully dump its full clip in one release due to a glitch. Glad they fixed that bug but damn did it make the gun OP

[@Snazzonix]

Nas : Scout is the worst sniper Meanwhile Noskillch : Making his primary/main weapon in versus like its an insta kill for specials

[@nascoz3884]

Yup. He's made that weapon work. I still think it's way too hard to use though. And not worth it.

[@markhovscrch4050]

Back when I love M16A2 but the damage wasn't good so now I preferred the AK because its all straight as male as long as you hold shift as you full auto.

[@vouvusbovus9100]

Remember, switching to your secondary is always faster than reloading in tough situations.

[@Kacpa2]

Valve shouldve made both bolt action snipers deal at least double the damage they do now when they added them to the game and have half the mag size. Then it would ve amazing for taking down specials. It also should 1 shot commons and have double the penetration of magnum. This way it could be okay at fighting off commons in tight corridors.

[@mikethepunk3209]

To be fair to the m16 I think its role is more suppressing firebullet hose then anything zombie killing machine.

[@18videowatcher41]

The AK-47 has always been my go-to primary weapon. Not only is it effective, but it feels so satisfying to use. And an AK with a laser sight? As long as you're a decent player, and don't encounter bad luck, you've basically won.

[@Subject-032]

I've always been inconsistent when it comes to weapons in L4D2, I'll just use a specific weapon depending on my mood or whichever I picked up first.

[@mastervintorez5038]

And yeah, BIG RESPECT for using DW4 ost, my childhood theme.