What is the Boeing 797 *actually* going to look like?

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It’s been a crazy year for commercial aviation, and one of the biggest changes has been in regards to the Boeing 797 program. Although it hasn’t yet officially been announced by Boeing, it is coming. The only question is: what will it look like?
The Boeing 797 has been officially been put on the back-burner, and will be re-evaluated (from the ground up) once the project is green-lit again.
This video is a presentation of what I personally think the 797 is going to look like. Not only that, I have a few ideas on what role it will fit in their lineup as well…
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[@cobyexplanes]

That Sanspotter livery is 🔥 It almost looks as if Spirit took themselves seriously and gave their jets a classy paint job

[@mikan004]

😂🤣

[@_w_w_]

Exactly what I was thinking...

[@sanspotter]

Haha, you’re too kind Coby! 👍🏻😄

[@cobyexplanes]

@@fulltime101er lol sup

[@xyechenn]

Coby Explanes Hi! I love your channel!

[@hiimFrankDOTcom]

As a flight attendant, my heart sank when I saw those doors without windows.

[@ecoRfan]

It would be nice if there were entry doors in the middle like the 757. That would expedite boarding and be great for first class.

[@vapsa56]

His drawings just missed that detail. The doors will have windows as it is required by regulation for safety purposes. And flight attendants are first and foremost for the safety of the passengers. And I for one appreciate all the work that you do.

[@davidkamen]

I would rather have that than windows without doors. Seriously, what you are talking about is a SERIOUS safety concern. I am sure your training included visual inspection of the exterior in an emergency so that you don't deploy slides into a lake of burning fuel. I would join any effort to force the FAA to mandate windows in all doors. Then there is the matter of opening doors upon arrival. Ground personnel have to be seen (thumbs up) before opening doors from the outside and you have to know there is a jetway or stairs positioned at any door you open from the inside. Question for Boeing what is the reason for no window in a door, what is the purpose, what are you saving ?

[@waticala]

Clearly fanmade

[@garyroelli855]

I wonder if they will use cameras and a screen in the door?

[@ghostrider115]

The 797 should look like a 757 alternative

[@738-ngx8]

yes im with the same opinion the replacment for the 757 and 767 that on the future the 797 could be freighter replacement for the 757 and 767 cuz 737 replacement we have the max

[@hanj31]

@@cellpat7392 you mean a short 787

[@ecoRfan]

Best option would have 757-like proportions with 787-like wings, cockpit, and engines. Hopefully has doors in the center of the fuselage. It’d need to replace the 737 series too. So its smallest size would be close to a 737-800. SANSpotter is right that it should replace both 737 and 757. A 767X with new wings and engines can handle the 7-across segment.

[@aviationfascination]

Agreed

[@pilerks1]

@@ecoRfan A 767 wont be happening soon. The market fir the plane does not exist, the original boeing 797 was a twin isle, but if they're completely scrapping it and going from scratch its nit going to be a twin isle any more

[@markthomas6045]

My dear ol' Dad used to send ideas to Boeing. They sent him a letter one day that said "please stop sending us ideas, even if it was a good one, we wouldn't be able to use it..."

[@GenkisTravels]

Based on how 2020 has panned out, I bet the 797 will look like 5 yr old Hot Cheetos bag.

[@elliothenderson1314]

Genki's Travels lol 😂

[@calvinyawn8462]

Truth!

[@kenetickups6146]

Atleast you can lick the walls

[@archerkayson7892]

pro trick : watch series on flixzone. Me and my gf have been using them for watching lots of of movies during the lockdown.

[@armandoleroy3465]

@Archer Kayson yup, I've been using Flixzone} for years myself :)

[@breathingh00man12]

the 737 replacement will be the 737 max series. the 797 will replace the 757

[@dfor]

By the time that the 797 is launched and first delivered, the MAX's will be aging out of fleets.

[@dfor]

Boeing would probably be best suited to build the 797-8 as a replacement for the 737-9 and -10, with the 797-9 and -10 the higher capacity to capture the 757 replacement market. At that point Boeing could go all out and create an a220 competitor to fill their 737-8 market along with the slightly smaller large regional market. That would really position them to cover the whole market broadly.

[@frankpinmtl]

Sure - if BA had the $30-40 billion needed for 2 clean sheet designs. They did have that money, but decided to do share buybacks instead...

[@holdensv2000]

Airbus is leading this show when it comes to these new 757 or 767 replacements

[@Gebenki]

The 797 doesn't need to be a 737 replacement; Boeing already had plans to replace it. The idea was to extend the life of the '37 with the MAX update, then to fill the gaping hole left by retiring 757s and 767s. After that they were planning on creating a clean-sheet design narrow body. The main thing the 797 needs that a narrow body like the A321 Neo can't match is range. It needs to be able to fly from East Coast USA deep into the interior of Europe, and vice versa. Flying these relatively long, skinny routes affordably will set the aircraft apart from anything else on the market, like the A330 Neo.

[@5133937]

Agreed. That was Boeing’s original realization, that travelers will prefer long-range point-to-point rather than hub-and-spoke travel. It was Boeing’s answer to the A380 back when it was first announced. It’s the correct and winning strategy, they just need to double down on it.

[@carlh.8797]

I would consider it as a replacement for both 737 and 757, with improved landing gear design, composite materials, and some other new technologies used on 787 for higher fuel efficiency. In my expectation, 797 will be in service when 737-800 starts to retire.

[@anthonyhunt701]

San, you’re 100% on here. The 737 has lived 3 lifetimes... if they don’t, the A321Neo will eat their lunch for the forseeable future....

[@canadarules7223]

The MAX is coming back though so yeahhhhhh.

[@kyotokid4]

...the difficulty is Airbus will have their 321 XLR in service at least 3 years before the NMA (the original project name). The 737 replacement is actually designated the FSA (Future Small Aircraft). Boeing considered a 757 replacement years ago but cancelled the idea back in 2011 and instead, let the bean counters (rather than the engineers as in the past) determine the 737 (originally designed over a half century ago as a an aircraft to bring jet service to small city airports with little servicing equipment, hence the stubby undercarriage) was the route to pursue. With the Max (which I have heard Boeing might actually rebrand as the -8, -9 and -10) out of service for over a year now, Boeing has found themselves even further behind.

[@frankpinmtl]

Added to that - the tooling for the entire 757 line is gone. They would have to start from scratch...

[@kyotokid4]

@@frankpinmtl ...indeed, and that is the rub. Had they chosen to do so earlier it would not have been an issue.

[@franklinloo2160]

Hi Scott,. I do think that the B797 is from B787 design but the baby version. Exactly small widebody like B767.

[@RuiPlaneSpotter]

Nice video!

[@ryanalmazi6802]

tbh looks like a miniature 787

[@sanspotter]

I’m guessing that’s what it’s going to look like in real life. 👍🏻

[@ryanalmazi6802]

@@sanspotter Ah. I get it now.

[@supertalon2424]

Word on the street is that they are going to re-work the 767 as it already has an established production line and it won't need 5-7 years to draw up and design the "797" from scratch. With the 787 and the new 777X it wouldn't make sense to jump into a brand spanking new designed jet that all of the current models have everything pretty much covered right now.

[@jojoduck757]

I picture it as a 757 body with 787 looking wings and engines

[@megamanmuppet]

Great video. Boeing need to do something like this - a 737/757 replacement and A320/321 competitor.

[@jonpatterson]

Great video, everything you said makes sense to me. The 737 had its time, but it really needs to be replaced. I don't know if I would say the short landing gear on the 737 was a mistake as that was by design to allow it to fly to smaller airports without the need for luggage ramps/equipment. But again that was when it was designed 842 years ago. Glad to see more content, keep it up 👌

[@davidlazarus67]

I agree the next aircraft that Boeing design needs to be much smaller and replace the 737. Maybe come up with a whole new numbering system for the next generation of aircraft.

[@smeshsmesh9695]

@@davidlazarus67 imagine in a 1000 years: boeing 7-3000-7

[@smeshsmesh9695]

The short landing gear is what made the 737 max 8 crash

[@davidlazarus67]

Bmw 8 series Or 737 MAXXXXXXXX

[@smeshsmesh9695]

@@davidlazarus67 hahaha maybe😂

[@theresasovacool2332]

Yo. 162 days since I’ve driven my car. Thanks for the virtual road trip!!! Love watching the design work happen... you make it look easy and I know it’s not. Excellent vid, bro.

[@sanspotter]

162 days!! I reckon it’s time for you to do a mini road trip while the weather is still good. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@SidestickPilot]

The 797 won’t replace the 73 because the max will sell still and Boeing needs it to sell. The 75/76 type NEEDS a replacement with AA retiring their fleet and them being a large Boeing customer I say it will be a more efficient, faster, similar size cabin to the 757/767-200. Right around 180-220 pax. Very high bypass engines, all the bells and whistles of the newer birds flying like the C-series/A-220 jets. The true improvement will need to be the cabin. With passenger comfort and the ability to feature numerous class styles the 79 will need an almost wide body fuselage. If I had to guess Boeing’s selling point on the 797 is going to be “speed, spacious and comfortable cabin, and unparalleled efficiency”. It’ll probably cruise around 0.86-0.90 and that’ll doing so efficiently will make it a must pick for trans-con operations that the 757 was so coveted. It will also be able to hang in the international department. With the industry in the current situation don’t be surprised if there’s a freighter version early after launch as well. Freight is where Boeing truly dominates in numbers.

[@raffykock5545]

Looks good and accurate!

[@brushfuse]

Boeing are this unambitious, so I imagine a tube with wings is exactly what they're planning. I do agree that a larger more versatile 737 replacement makes a lot more sense. Something that can trump the A320 series sets and range seems like the way to go in order to sell thousands of these things, rather than a few hundred with the current 797 plans.

[@bloopbloop9687]

The black on that plane looked slick

[@mraviatorboii2510]

Boeing also did mentioned there 757-Plus & 767X also since the 797 is no longer happening so far..

[@devin.1444]

It would be Cool If they made a Widebody variant of the 797 and a single aisle like a next generation 767 and 757

[@ralucaspataru7618]

Sanspotter:hey 797 what are you gonna look like? 797:I'm a mid sized plane if you didn't know 🤓

[@oreotcat]

There was talk of making a re-engined variant of the 767-300. They stated it would be mostly for cargo carriers, but they would consider a passenger variant. The 757/767 never even got an "NG" variant, which is sad. They are both good aircraft. The 757 in particular can easily out perform an A321 with ease in terms of take off ability and payload. But it seems they were more focused on the 787, especially when 757/767 orders dried up. Only time will tell!

[@NAISBAISFSX]

Thé 787 is the new 767

[@oreotcat]

@@NAISBAISFSX Not really, it’s generally bigger and flies a lot farther than the 767. It’s a step above I’d say.

[@abitofeverything7892]

I really love your own design of the 797 Scott. SS Airlines. 👍👍👍👍👍

[@sportsMike87]

Hopefully not an outdated design like the max

[@williamelofsson5362]

I think that this B797 that is being proposed in this video would most likely keep the MAX’s engines since they are top performing newly designed engines. It would probably keep a lot of tech from the B737 MAX to help pilots and mechanics transition to the new platform. These types of decision are basted upon company’s not wanting to train pilots and mechanics on a new type and type-rating changes

[@eleventy-seven]

Boeing had problems with the Max doing what you're proposing with the 797. Boeing would love to carry forward enough parts from the 737 to minimize training but the entire 737 max still doesn't comply with cockpit warning standards that minimize confusion by having a sensible hierarchy to cockpit alarms and the ability to silence them. The max was grandfathered in through DEC 2022. Without Congressional extension the737-1000 will likely not get approved. Boeing has based all of it's recent decisions on economy resulting in almost every program military space and commercial fleet being delayed by years. Lets list them. Starting with the 777x which after taking a FAA pilot for a test flight in late 2021 had a uncommanded pitch down similar to a MCAS problem that's know delayed it up to late 2025 at least. The KC-45 Pegasus is late for QC problems. The Red hawk trainer is late with unstable wing rock. The 787 has not had a delivery in over 14 months. The V-22 Is prey has had 8 crash with 51 dead. Yes the paint on the Airbus A350 is chipping but I think Boeing's economics is killing it.

[@PaulStewartAviation]

Gets a thumbs up from me just for the Mustang! :D

[@Zoydian]

Honestly, all those airliners look pretty much the same to me: tubes of various sizes with wings attached to them, and two huge buckets hanging underneath. Sure, they're efficient, powerful, and whatever u call them, but they bore the heck out of me. So I get my kicks from looking at the past of aviation, rather than the present.

[@charliegood1967]

Your right, it will be a tube with two wings and a single engine under each wing. It will be cramped and smell.

[@QDAWG111]

also one little thing I made up a few models of 797 797-100 797-107 797-200 797-207 Thats what I think it's going to be like the 797 finally

[@friendlysky7674]

The 797 looks very cool!

[@alexandergarland77]

Has it really been 175 days since your last trip? That's crazy don't feel bad Scott I'm approaching episode 300 and I've been put on a 7-Day restriction for riding the bike let me tell you it is driving me bonkers not to mention everything happening with covid-19 but nonetheless *Clears Throat* The mountainbiker is officially here!!!! another San spotter video grab your Red Bull and let's ride!!!!!

[@sanspotter]

Haha, I was hoping that you wouldn’t forget your signature line. 😆 Hope you get back on the bike soon!!

[@bd5av8r1]

Airline plane production is driven by your consumers. In Boeing's case, they marketed a new 737 replacement airliner but airlines like American balked at i saying redo what you have to keep costs down. The result was the 737 MAX, and you see how that turned out. Turns out the customer isn't always right. :D lol

[@jackziegler7696]

nice mustang

[@stradivarioushardhiantz5179]

797 = 767 with GEnx-2b engine😎🛫

[@mannyfaria6307]

Good to see a video again Scott! Hope to see you in the air soon! I just got back from DFW where there was maybe 50 people on board.

[@alphabravoindia5267]

The 797 is on the back burner, and they are also considering a 757-style plane called the 757-plus and a 767 upgrade called the 767x instead of the nma.

[@NAISBAISFSX]

Forget about the 767x because there is 787

[@alphabravoindia5267]

​@@NAISBAISFSX The 767X project was aimed mostly to the freighter market, which it is unlikely for a 787F to happen for a while due to wingspan issues, carbon composite being hard to cut cargo doors through. Besides, I made that comment last year, and during the time that surpassed between then and now, Boeing was still contemplating several designs, including reviving the NMA.

[@NAISBAISFSX]

@@alphabravoindia5267 I thought you were talking about 767x for passenger, if it’s for freighter then yes I’m pretty sure it’s gonna happen

[@EKC2024]

At 5:00, this looks like a baby 787!😉✈️

[@clivefolkard7076]

Good to see you back even though you are driving a car!! Great thoughts on the 797. Boeing should of used this to replace the ageing 737 instead of the MAX fiasco.

[@mattball2700]

That's a lot of driving! We've driven from Tucson to San Diego, but not in one day!

[@colinrenfrew48]

The opening graphics are superb. Nice branding job. And way better than most new liveries. Looking forward to flying again. Cheers!

[@spreadeagled5654]

Boeing’s reputation is on the line. The 797 can be successful and the public’s confidence on Boeing’s reputation can be redeemed only after the 737 MAX’s defects are satisfactorily resolved.

[@j.c.3587]

That livery of SanSpotter is awesome.. Nice colors..

[@craigwillis3372]

Hey Scott welcome back. I would have thought Boeing were concentrating on getting the 737 Max back in the air ???Great video as always mate....well done as always...really enjoyed it mate !

[@hanj31]

It should be a really short 787 or a slightly shorter 767. It can’t be a narrow body in my book.

[@peterhughes7099]

I've been in the internet wastelands for the last with no internet, so it was good to see you've posted another video! interesting to see how you assembled the aircraft and livery.

[@MarkBarrett]

Front canards, to make the tail a lifting wing (not just a stabilizer), would massively improve the performance.

[@trachnguyen5718]

I think the Boeing 797 will be like the merge between 787 and 737 cause Boeing said it will be compare with A321XLR and replace the 757.

[@coyotelong4349]

Boeing is floundering. My opinion of them has only gone down

[@nattyplayz389]

Maybe rumors says that boeing is making a 767x and 757x This might be true because the cost would be way less than making a whole new aircraft

[@BruhMan_5]

And look how well that worked out for them with the MAX.

[@aseem7w9]

@@BruhMan_5 And look how well that turned out with the 747 and 737 family as a whole

[@wavecentral]

The problem is that Boeing is faced with a problem - either start work on the 797 and delay any hope of a 737-MAX replacement which they desperately need, (otherwise they hand even more of the

[@frankpinmtl]

The real problem is Boeing doesn't have the $15-20 billion needed to spend on anything...

[@Paul-te6xc]

Friend one thing to note. The NMA project was paused to reallocate resources to the MAX crisis. The pandemic was just another blow, to a company that was already scrambling.

[@schumi246]

They gave the wrong airplane the MAX treatment. They should’ve done a 757MAX, make that and then make the 797 a 737 replacement.

[@jasonchimes8838]

Nice livery Scott lets hope Boeing were listening!

[@Andrew-sv6zq]

Honestly, they need a tri jet like the 727. Extend it by 30 feet, two man flight desk, all digital inside, all doors for emergency exits and high performance engines. The 727 was an amazing aircraft that was loved compared to the 757 which was a red headed step child. The 757 is a great plane and did well in high altitude or hot locations for performance, but the 727 out did it in everything else. It was an easy jet to fly especially with the flaps deployed. It looked like the whole wing was coming apart and would just float down.

[@ryankenyon5010]

What's your Mustang called? Don't tell me you've been through the desert in a horse with no name!

[@nudgenudgewinkwink3212]

Totally agree with your assessment Scott, It will have variants like the 787 has , Like you pointed out the 737 has been re-engineered to the point that it became an unstable aircraft at takeoff and should have been replaced completely for this reason and it was unsurprisingly cost saving that kept the 737 going so long.

[@DavidHamster88]

nice Adobe Illustrator work!

[@herenow6953]

It's great to catch up with my favourite vloggers - it's been HIDEOUS here in the UK - I travelled by air for the first time last week and it definitely wasn't fun. Masks, Covid test on arrival (swab deep throat / gag), but then a lovely holiday on an island where once you'd proved negative, life felt normal - old normal, not the hated 'new' normal. Keep up the good work -

[@christopherdeyoe238]

I believe you got the design nailed! A smaller 87 is what I always thought.

[@andrewwilkey6195]

They’ll need something between the 717 and 737... so let’s just bring back the 727 :)

[@Turboy65]

All composite where practical, some degree of wing-body blending, built in a range of sizes to serve different markets. Generally equivalent to a much modernized 757 which was "right sized" for domestic travel.

[@luisenriqueclapes4813]

As a homage to the 747....the next 797 should have a small upper deck, the cockpit windows and nose should look like the Jumbo Jet, obviously would be a wide body jet with two engines.

[@KingTriton1837]

I drive between here in San Francisco and Henderson, NV! Usually in mid July to mid August! Keep your car up and you'll be alright! Drive early in the morning or late at night if possible. And always pack a small cooler with ice and water. Nothing worse than having warm water or no water at all and you're in the desert this time of the year! 😩🤣 Awesome video, as usual!

[@sigspearthumb2313]

When the corona virus decides to go away, I am going to finally make it to Zurich, Prague, and Lisbon.

[@SouthernSpecialist]

Please make it with double rear axles that makes that plane so special

[@ThatCodeBlue]

My advice to Boeing is to start planning, work about 20-30 tests at getting it right and then they may have something.

[@planespotterkarl2783]

Hope you enjoyed your time in Phoenix! Anyways, I share your sentiment about the 797, I feel like that’s a pretty safe bet on what it will be like.

[@alberttseng8291]

Boeing should make the wing like Airbus's A350, the the fuselage should be like A220 but bigger

[@zabaleta66]

737 flights I've been on are always chock full! The proposed 797 should really be a little larger, not necessarily a twin aisle but just a little larger for passenger comfort.

[@davidkamen]

A little larger for passenger comfort ? Never happened. A little larger so as to stuff another seat in row to generate more revenue.

[@edwinpaulino6674]

The Boeing 797-6 with 48 windows with 228 seats and The Boeing 797-7 with 49 windows with 270 seats 1x1x1 in business class but the middle seats will move back a little,1x1x1 in premium economy and 2x3x2 in economy class will be straight the NLT stands for new light twin like the Boeing 787 fuselage but lighter

[@fiftyfeistyandfabulous7402]

It needs to replace the 747 when flying resumes since the 747s are being sent to the graveyard.

[@matt309]

The reason 747s are being sent to a graveyard is because they are unprofitable

[@achong007]

I would think a Wide body would be the next best thing with 2 fuseloge connected side by side and creating a flat bottom to help with lift. Making wings wider for lift and be able to still fit the plane in all current airports. I am just guessing.

[@joebrito2066]

Boeing naming convention is an OCD nightmare

[@davidcole333]

Sadly, two years after the release of this video, we're no closer to realizing a true vision of the 797. 😞

[@jameswaters3939]

The blended wing aircraft that KLM is experimenting with would be the 1st model for airlines that didn't follow the fuselage, wing, tail model. Maybe that is the thinking, going forward.

[@davidkamen]

The problem with any blended wing design is that it reduces uplift capacity for both passengers and cargo.

[@flyingdentist]

Too good to be true since Boeing had all these problems with the MAX series.I wish that things will get better soon.Nice work mate

[@jacksongoldman407]

Who else missed San spotters voice

[@jonahsgang8830]

SoCal Aviation HD ok!????

[@stimpfigclaus1798]

Me

[@TimothyMathews]

You mean it's not sans potter(without potter)?

[@viperdriver82]

The vertical stabilizer may have to be the same size or bigger if the 797 is shorter Than the 787

[@drpolfandiane]

Scott, you didn’t disappoint me once again!

[@Sacto1654]

You just described the Yellowstone 1 study Boeing did between 2003 and 2010. It will be designed to accommodate either the LEAP-1A or PW1100G engines with their larger front fan diameters.

[@Enzo0694]

I think it couldn't be possible to modify a longhaul plane to a MoM plane. It should be cheaper and less work to create a complete new plane. Why didn't Airbus make a smaller version of the A350 and substitute the A320 family? It has reasons why not

[@johnstuartsmith]

By the time Boeing brings the first 797 to market, Airbus will already have delivered hundreds, maybe thousands, of different, ever-improving versions of the A321. Maybe if Boeing had a time machine, it could rewind back about 20 years, start designing the 797 instead of developing the Max, and then the 797 and the A321XLR could compete for sales. There isn't a time machine, there aren't second chances, and customers aren't likely to wait for the 797.

[@haquekhan4271]

Your design is beautiful and you are absolutely right that it should be flexible enough to make one version a 757 replacement and and another minor tweak to become 737 replacement. I wish Boeing executives were as smart as you are.

[@kennedyjones2523]

I say we put a row of seats across the leading edge of each wing!lol

[@thebananaman1895]

would the 797 be a widebody aircraft kind of like the 767?

[@nikobelic4251]

Kermit The Frog I hope so.... But logically no

[@immanuel_shadowhammonds2813]

If a wide body, the 797 would be like a reborn A300

[@davidsandy5917]

The problem with the 737 is that the engines are too low to the ground. Look at the inlet. There is a flat spot at the bottom to maintain ground clearance. There is not enough space to install improved, high efficiency engines. A new model to replace the 737 could potentially fix that.

[@caelansmith]

The 797 should compete with the A220 and A320 family of aircraft. Get some designers from Apple, Dyson, and Tesla. A new minimalist all glass flight deck. Heavily automated, both in terms of operations and manufacturing. It should also be powered by hydrogen as by 2030 it should be the cheapest and cleanest fuel source. Built in WiFi and charging for all aircraft made.

[@akeemmanifold819]

A new model never replicate the previous. Ever! The 747 can make come back with some mods of course.

[@chadhoward07]

the problem with your design is on the main gear it will have to be a tandem axle main, that size of aircraft won’t be able to stop on shorter runways during heavy rain when it being operated on heavier routes.

[@phileasler5401]

Hope they do a better job then the MAX

[@AndrewTubbiolo]

I say make the 797 a 757 sized aircraft that can be shrunk to the 737 size once they're done selling the MAX. P.S: I'm making chicken and rice for dinner tonight.

[@Ben-go1iq]

scaled down aircraft generally dont sell well , eg 737-600, a318, a340-200 b747sp

[@sanspotter]

Chicken and rice! 😍

[@AndrewTubbiolo]

@@Ben-go1iq Good point, thanks for that counterpoint.

[@jacklogue9]

Great video! Love seeing these types of videos! Keep up the good work and I hope to see you back in the skies soon!!

[@orientalparadigm2934]

that is legit a 787 with a single bogey

[@BhonTcki]

Thanks for showing us your 3D modeling skills. Obviously, a professional graphic artist with an appetite for engineering.