What Is the Danger of Michael Knowles and Kirk Cameron? - Ken Yates

[@YellowCab76]

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus 1 Timothy 2:5

[@Ajas0810]

That verse means Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. Doesn’t mean we can’t ask Mary for prayers.

[@rochelleschubert3374]

If we ask a fellow believer to pray for us they are praying to GOD on our behalf. If we personally pray to a dead 'saint' we are praying to a PERSON. Big difference!

[@maxellton]

You are conflating prayer and worship. Prayer means simply to ask or to talk.

[@Clod-Hopper]

Here's where I see both are confused...first nowhere in the Bible does it say any deceased believer can look upon the living and see or hear living believers. The Rich man could not see and he appealed to send a dead man back to warn his brothers. Secondly the cloud of witnesses are those around us that are living not dead believers. We can lose our witness by our ungodly conduct. Thirdly in prayer, Christ is the object of our faith just like he is when we come to Christ for everlasting life. They are confused about all of it.

[@echoes-of-faith89]

Thank you for sharing your perspective, but I believe there’s some misunderstanding here about what Scripture and Christian tradition teach on these points. Let me gently clarify a few things. On the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31): The rich man is depicted as being in torment in Hades, separated from the righteous in Abraham’s bosom. This parable highlights the eternal consequences of one’s life choices, not the full scope of the relationship between the living and the departed. The rich man’s inability to return to his brothers does not imply that the righteous are unaware of the living. In fact, Revelation 5:8 and 8:3-4 depict the saints offering prayers to God, showing their active participation in intercession. The Cloud of Witnesses (Hebrews 12:1): The "cloud of witnesses" refers to the faithful saints described in Hebrews 11, such as Abraham, Moses, and others who lived by faith. The context makes it clear that these are deceased believers whose lives bear witness to God’s faithfulness and call us to persevere. This doesn’t mean they are unaware of us. In Revelation 6:9-10, the martyrs are shown crying out to God about events on earth, demonstrating their awareness of earthly affairs. Christ as the Object of Prayer: Absolutely, Christ is the center of our faith and prayer. However, asking saints to intercede for us does not detract from Christ’s role-it reflects the biblical principle of intercession. Just as we ask fellow believers to pray for us (1 Timothy 2:1), we believe those who are with Christ in glory continue to pray for us. The Church has always understood that the body of Christ extends beyond death, as we are united in Him (Romans 8:38-39). Far from being confused, this understanding reflects the fullness of Scripture and the communion of saints. It emphasizes that death does not sever the bonds of Christ’s body. I encourage you to consider these passages and reflect on how they point to the ongoing unity of the Church-both in heaven and on earth. God bless!

[@soljos1190]

@@echoes-of-faith89 What is it you're affirming- specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform till death in order to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@jesusplusnothing_salvation]

Brilliant review brother! THANK YOU for these.

[@graftme3168]

They both have it wrong.

[@karinecarde1254]

In short yes!

[@franknolton7009]

Once a believer dies, they don not know what is going on on earth...they are not "watching" us. The Bible says that there is no sorrow or sadness or pain or anger in heaven, and if our believing loved ones who have died watch our lives, they would experience sadness and sorrow (and perhaps even anger) when trials come our way and we are going through times of pain, lonliness, hurt feelings, etc. As an evangelical pastor who was raised Catholic, this is not what Scripture teaches. I've done many funerals where family members of the deceased say he/she is looking down on us right now". That might make people feel good and give them comfort, but it isn't Biblical.

[@echoes-of-faith89]

Hi Ken, thank you for sharing your thoughts. While I respect your perspective, I believe some important clarifications can be made regarding the points raised about praying to saints, the "cloud of witnesses," and the role of figures like Michael Knowles and Kirk Cameron in theological discussions. First, regarding praying to saints, it’s essential to recognize that the Catholic teaching on this matter is deeply rooted in Scripture and tradition. Catholics do not "pray to" saints as though they are divine but ask for their intercession, much like we ask fellow Christians to pray for us. The Bible shows the saints in heaven offering prayers to God on behalf of others (Revelation 5:8, Revelation 8:3-4). Jesus Himself affirms that God is the "God of the living, not of the dead" (Mark 12:27), emphasizing the continued life of the saints in His presence. Their intercessory role flows from their unity with Christ, who is the mediator of all grace. Second, the interpretation of the "cloud of witnesses" in Hebrews 12:1 deserves closer attention. While the passage indeed encourages us to look to the examples of faith in Hebrews 11, it does not exclude the possibility that the saints are aware of us. Revelation 6:9-10 shows the martyrs in heaven aware of events on earth and calling out to God in response. The idea of saints "cheering us on" aligns with this understanding, emphasizing their ongoing solidarity with us as members of the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:26). Third, while I agree that figures like Michael Knowles and Kirk Cameron should not necessarily be treated as Bible teachers, that doesn’t mean their insights or influence should be dismissed outright. Both bring valuable perspectives, even if they approach certain theological questions differently. Healthy dialogue, such as their conversation on saints, invites all believers to engage deeply with Scripture and tradition to grow in understanding. Disagreement can lead to fruitful reflection and clarification of one’s own beliefs. Finally, the Catholic emphasis on grace remains central to these discussions. Salvation is entirely God’s gift, and the Church teaches that good works, prayer, and intercession are responses to God’s grace, not attempts to earn it (Ephesians 2:8-10, CCC 1996-2000). While theological nuances differ, these discussions are opportunities to highlight shared commitments to Christ, Scripture, and the moral renewal of society. Thank you for raising these points; they foster important conversations about our faith and unity in Christ. God bless!

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform till death in order to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@chriswest8989]

I thing that was well said.

[@timgrady4630]

Never surprised to see works salvation proponents agreeing . Wikipedia states : Cameron is an evangelical Christian who partners with Ray Comfort in the evangelistic ministry The Way of the Master and co-founded The Firefly Foundation with his wife, actress Chelsea Noble. Easy Math . Cameron = Ray Comfort . Therefore , his soteriology is a Perseverance in Performance (works) till death formula . Not unlike Michael Knowles in the least , when all the Fluff and Feathers are Boiled off . As a former Roman Catholic Monk/Catechism Instructor , I've become less surprised as I get older how similar Catholicism is to every such form of Lordship Salvation . By far , most Evangelicals & Catholics exactly agree that one's behavioral performance (works) are the Decisive Factor in one's Everlasting destination . Couldn't be more clearly refuted by every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/endless Justification before God passage in the Bible . Thus , it remains axiomatic that "Few there be who find Life" , as He said . Whereas , little children can easily understand and believe in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life , instantly having irrevocable Life at that moment . Cuz He cannot lie to the little ones , unfettered by years of self righteous hardening against Grace . No better News , ever (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) .

[@gabrielgamez2033]

The way I see it is the Catholics are up front that you need works, it's the Lordship Salvation group who are deceptive that works are necessary for Salvation.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Comfort and Cameron teach the true gospel which is easily verified by simply reading the new testament. Free grace teaches the belief that there are no moral laws God expects Christians to obey. Free gracers takes a biblical teaching to an unbiblical conclusion. The biblical teaching is that Christians are not required to observe the Old Testament Law as a means of salvation. When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He fulfilled the Old Testament Law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15). The unbiblical conclusion is that there is no moral law God expects Christians to obey. The apostle Paul dealt with the issue of easy believism in Romans 6:1-2, “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” The most frequent attack on the doctrine of salvation by grace alone is that it encourages sin. People may wonder, “If I am saved by grace and all my sins are forgiven, why not sin all I want?” That thinking is not the result of true conversion because true conversion yields a greater desire to obey, not a lesser one. God’s desire-and our desire when we are regenerated by His Spirit-is that we strive not to sin. Out of gratitude for His grace and forgiveness, we want to please Him. God has given us His infinitely gracious gift in salvation through Jesus John 3:16; Romans 5:8. Our response is to consecrate our lives to Him out of love, worship, and gratitude for what He has done for us (Romans 12:1-2). The free grace movement is unbiblical in that it misapplies the meaning of God’s gracious favor. A second reason that the free grace movement is unbiblical is that there is a moral law God expects us to obey. First John 5:3 tells us, “This is love for God: to obey His commands. And His commands are not burdensome.” What is this law God expects us to obey? It is the law of Christ - “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37-40). No, we are not under the Old Testament Law. Yes, we are under the law of Christ. The law of Christ is not an extensive list of legal codes. It is a law of love. IF we love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength, we will do nothing to displease Him. IF we love our neighbors as ourselves, we will do nothing to harm them. Obeying the law of Christ is not a requirement to earn or maintain salvation. The law of Christ is what God expects of a Christian. In summary easy believism is contrary to everything the Bible teaches. God expects us to live a life of morality, integrity, and love. Jesus Christ freed us from the burdensome commands of the Old Testament Law, but that is not a license to sin. Rather, it is a covenant of grace. We are to strive to overcome sin and cultivate righteousness, depending on the Holy Spirit to help us.

[@Ghost.Spectrum]

This sounds like a bunch of word salad that some Christians use to pretty up their phrases. Protestants accuse Catholics of "fluffing" up their faith but to me that just affirms that protestants are "one and done" types who want to go to church once a week just to get it out of the way and only say the "necessary" phrases that they believe please God.

[@Arizona_Bay_Real_Estate]

@@2Chronicles714_I don’t know of anyone that teaches free grace who also teaches that we have a license to sin all we want. Please provide an example.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@Arizona_Bay_Real_Estate Are you new here ? Ever hear of Pastor Ralph Yankee Arnold? Jacksmack77 I can give you many more. They teach that as long as you say you believe in Jesus you can live anyway you want. Bible says the opposite.

[@soljos1190]

Both are zealous proponents of the Impossible . They Top Out at Guesswork - both with respect to Hebrews 12 "cloud of witnesses" - but most importantly with regard to one's Everlasting destination . Under cover of "Conservatism" , they are joined at the Hip in a Lordship Salvation soteriology . Cameron made his "Hay" years ago as Ray Comfort's associate in Street Witness encounters , based upon Repentance (turning from all sins till death) as a Necessary Condition of making it into His Kingdom . Both agree where it truly matters , forever . But Jesus never Evangelized as they do . His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) is utterly antithetical to all such behavioral performance Metrics (works righteousness) . Michael Knowles exactly lays bare the bottom line with all such Working for a Free Gift Theology when he mentioned "I HOPE that I make it" . Looking to one's fully Fallible and wholly Imperfect performance can only Top Out at Doubt of one's eternal location . That is clearly unbelief in Him for what He actually Certifies (JOHN 5:24,6:47).

[@MarkTaylor-rt3ky]

If you pray to anyone outside of Jesus and the Father, then you better check yourself. The only Way to the Father is Jesus. Not Mary, or other saints or angels.

[@T.Truthtella-n3i]

True Christians will ALWAYS pray to the saints of God, especially the Conquerer of All Heresies, Mother Mary. Ave Maria!!

[@soljos1190]

​@@T.Truthtella-n3i Contradicts Scripture in the clearest of all possible terms available . The only Exegetically derived "saint" is one forever inhabited by the One who guarantees Everlasting Life to all who simply believe in Him FOR it , apart from all behavioral performance (works) . Your Institution Officially anathematized His doubtless Guarantee at the Council of Trent . It thus is unquestionably the repository of the Modern Judaizer/Scribe and Pharisee soteriological System .

[@AlvinFen]

@@soljos1190 Exactly~!

[@dann285]

@@T.Truthtella-n3i A true Christian is someone who puts their trust in Christ.

[@darrellperez1029]

@@T.Truthtella-n3i And you think this will go over well with Jesus Christ? The SON of Mary?

[@PaulChristopher4Christ]

Hebrews 10:23-25 (New Living Translation) 23 Let us hold tightly without wavering to the hope we affirm, for God can be trusted to keep his promise. 24 Let us think of ways to motivate one another to acts of love and good works. 25 And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near.

[@MikeJacobs-o7x]

Jesus Christ is our mediator to God Holy Spirit is our comforter ,teacher , guide 😁😁😊

[@karinecarde1254]

Thank you, Ken 😊

[@John3.36]

I talk with people and ask them to pray for me, but *I do not pray to them* and ask them to pray for me.

[@lsearls2]

Well said

[@PeaceChildGuy]

Thx Ken. Great comments. Let me speak to a feeling you must often have when you read these comments: “Did this person not understand what I actually said?” (No, they didn’t.) Ah, the life of a communicator. Have experienced it myself… You’re doin’ fine. 😎🌵

[@Trumpsterfl32960]

Saved by grace through faith in Christ. Salvation is a gift that none of us are worthy of. You can’t earn it. Faith like Abraham, Moses, Rahab. To suggest that any work we do…minimizes the finished work of Jesus.

[@2Chronicles714_]

James 2:20-24 But wilt thou know, O vain man, 👉that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD ? 👈 21Was not Abraham our father JUSTIFIED ustified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 👉22Seest thou how FAITH WROUGHT WITH HIS WORKS, and BY WORKS WAS FAITH MADE PERFECT? 👈 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is JUSTIFIED, and NOT BY FAITH ONLY. 25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, SO FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD ALSO.

[@soljos1190]

​@@2Chronicles714_ Not a Justification before God context . Your proposition is contradictory to explicit and unequivocal Justification before God passages : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; Book of Galatians . Explains why your Working for a Free Gift Theology never makes sense . Everlasting Life is a Free and Never Deserving Gift, that gives the endless Status as Judicially perfect and forgiven - apart from all working (Romans 4:1-8) - thus imputed with His PERFECT Righteousness as the Free and Never Deserving Gift itself . So , your 5 Part Performance Contract till death is a Formal and Explicit rejection of His Free and Never Deserving Gift based purely upon what He Judicially Propitiated in His Flawless work of Redemption that fully took away ALL THE PENALTY FOR ALL SINS EVER COMMITTED . Therefore , you cannot know where you're going forever because you've rejected the Only means of Doubtless Certitude (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) .

[@AlvinFen]

@@soljos1190 Exactly he isn’t even in the house because he started in the wrong place, reading someone else’s mail~!

[@PaulChristopher4Christ]

Heavenly Father, We come before You with humble hearts, seeking Your wisdom and guidance. In a world filled with confusion and unbelief, we ask for Your light to shine brightly upon us. Father, we know that the adversary seeks to deceive and lead us away from Your truth, but we stand firm in the power of Your Word. Lord, we thank You for the precious gift of being born from above, for the indwelling of Your Holy Spirit that guides us into all truth. We pray that this truth would take deep root in our hearts, dispelling any doubts and confusion. Fill us with a clear understanding of Your Word, that we may walk in the fullness of Your promises. Father, we ask that the fruit of the Spirit would be evident in our lives-love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. May these fruits be a testimony to the transformation You have worked in us, drawing others to the truth of Your New Covenant. Lord, strengthen us to stand against the wiles of the adversary, keeping our minds and hearts focused on You. May we always remember that greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world. We trust in Your power to conquer unbelief and confusion, knowing that Your truth sets us free. In Jesus' name, we pray, Amen❤️

[@tammygrimes548]

You cannot split hairs on who to pray to. Praying to anyone other than Jesus Christ is idolatry period.

[@T.Truthtella-n3i]

No it’s not heretic, true Christians have been praying to saints since Christianity began.

[@jackjustice2558]

One practicing Catholic explained it to me like this, he said it was in the same vein of believers asking other believers to lay hands and pray for them , I told him, those saints are dead, how do you know they hear you? I told why not go to the source and ask the Lord, I suppose it's hard for them to escape their beliefs

[@ChuckParDue1953]

Not true!​@T.Truthtella-n3i

[@dove4108]

Just aside I was glad to get away from the clip of M. Knowles + K. Cameron because in the background large bright words “Yes or No” kept going up and down which was so distracting! Also it seemed both men wanted to lean more into agreement with each other but used faulty theology to back things up…I was so glad to get back to you speaking calmly, clearly and with conviction.

[@maranatha8524]

Please never forget that we may all differ on theological aspects of scripture however we must all be united in the gospel of Christ. And there is ONLY ONE correct and true gospel. The rest, while very important, is only narrative to the gospel. Please remember this and do not be divided. MARANATHA. 🤷🏻‍♂️✝️

[@Trumpsterfl32960]

Division is from the evil one not from God. Man always have to complicate the simplicity of the gospel.

[@soljos1190]

​@@Trumpsterfl32960 Except that Jesus Himself stated that He came to Divide : Matthew 10:34-39 Christ Brings Division 34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set[a] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it." His Doubtless Guarantee of Endless Everlasting Life , apart from all behavioral performance (works) indeed evokes Division (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) . And rightly so . Just read the Comments here for Undeniable proof .

[@victormparrales]

Those two are miles away from Sound Biblical Doctrine.

[@LACraig621]

Are they having a Martini during a biblical discussion?

[@radianteclipse113]

Having a drink isn't a sin. Getting drunk is a sin.

[@DontYouWantToLiveForever]

When I was undergoing training in Roman Catholicism in the 50's, we had to first pray the dead out of Purgatory into heaven. The only persons you knew you could pray to in heaven were the Church's cannonized Saints. Now every dead religious person qualifies? If so, what happened to Purgatory?

[@robg_]

Kirk Cameron part of the Ray Comfort duo team, say no more!

[@Jasonshoots]

If you're an active believer in The Word then the works we do are evident or should be evident of God working.

[@timgrady4630]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@AlvinFen]

@@timgrady4630 Exactly one must start in the right place, Jesus promise~! Or they are not even in the house with all their knowledge.

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@AlvinFen Start with Jesus's ministry. His first command was Repent. Thr disciples also preached repentance. Jesus's final command after the resurrection for true repentant believers to preach Luke 24:47 47and that repentance [necessary] for forgiveness of sins would be preached in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. Not the woman at the well and not John 3:16. Why do you continue to push your man-made doctrine?

[@AlvinFen]

@@2Chronicles714_ Repentance and forgiveness by water baptism are temporal issues having to do with harmony with God, it’s the broader call to discipleship. The woman at the well is how to be born again which is a gift. If you knew the gift of God… You need to be born again~! The command of eternal life the Father gave the Son to speak if not heard, which if you’re not a babe you’re not going to hear the Son of God’s voice in the Scriptures . It will come back and judge you on the last day (John 5:24-25; 12:47-50; Luke 10:20-22). The one who has heard the voice of the Son of God its impossible for them to come into judgement, that is why they can rejoice NOW~! You can’t because you are dependent on your works whether you will come into judgment. You won’t know until its to late. You didn’t believe Jesus promise, but you contradicted His promise. He says the believer will never perish, die, hunger, thirst, be cast out, be snatched out of the Father and Sons hand. You make other Scriptures taken out of context contradict all of Jesus promises. Here is a clue…if you can’t rejoice NOW you are believing a lie~!

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@AlvinFen Not according to Jesus, Zane was in error once again

[@Royscoop-mk4me]

I can’t even listen to these two guys. Kirk Cameron really has disappointed me. We do not talk or pray to the dead. We don’t even know if the person is in heaven. I don’t think Michael will be there if he believes in his works or deeds and not only Grace. When anyone talks to the dead someone will talk back. Demons. They know your dead relatives or friends, and can get you to believe you are talking to them!

[@PBAdventures146]

If I can pray to Almighty God directly, why ever in the world would I want to pray to anyone else who even if they could answer prayer would have to do it at the permission of Jesus? The whole idea of praying to saints is utterly stupid!!

[@bigjoe8922]

Jesus is the answer

[@timgrady4630]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@longstreet2740]

Don't know much about Kirk Cameron other than he's associate with Ray 'Torment'

[@2wildboar23]

Dead people know nothing. Believers that die know nothing. Nobody is alive until the resurrection. This is so basic.

[@lsearls2]

Wrong absent from the body present with the Lord

[@2wildboar23]

@@lsearls2 No. That verse is greatly misinterpreted and perverted to fit church tradition. The Bible makes it clear that the dead know nothing. Dead people will not be alive again until resurrection. What Paul is saying in the verse you are referring to is that he wanted to be absent from his current condition, his corrupt body and mortality and that he wanted resurrection and his new body and incorruption. He explains this in 1Cor15. You can find answers to many of these topics at the Concordant Publishing Concern and also Martin Zender videos.

[@TheBACNetwork]

Coexist until you don't Exist.

[@timgrady4630]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@tomharmon5198]

Here's what I wanna know: what's the danger of Augustine/Calvin??

[@soljos1190]

One cannot possibly have Doubtless Certitude of one's Everlasting destination based upon their soteriological affirmation .

[@HumbleHeartMinistry]

Peter after Jesus had both died and was resurrected said, Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. When Mary saw Jesus at the tomb, he told her not to touch him, because he had not yet assented to the Father. In other words he had a glorified body, and it could not be defiled by sinful hands touching him. What body was then glorified? The same one he lived and died in, the same one that was buried in the tomb. He could not enter heaven unless he entered in a glorified body. Peter clearly tells us that David was dead and buried and still in his tomb. Jesus described the place where the righteous go after they die. Into Abrahams bosom. There is where we await to be resurrected from the grave, and are changed, receiving our glorified bodies! The presence of the Lord is there In Abrahams bosom, and fulfilling to be absent from body is to be present with the Lord.

[@beautifulllstars]

How would you define evangelical?

[@banemaler]

Kirk is a brother in Christ, I have seen nothing that even here that causes me to doubt that. But you are sure that he is not save, OK.

[@markyearty6717]

Agree! He is a brother in Christ, and has done much for the Kingdom.

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@banemaler]

@@soljos1190 Profession of faith evidenced by good fruit. It's so simple a child can do it.

[@claireusilton4066]

Seems they are mixing up praying FOR and praying TO. You only pray to God for others. Others can do nothing.

[@Sergedb74]

In heaven are presented the prayers of the Saints. But then, in Catholic theology, the Saints are already dead! So they are not the prayers of the living - if they want to be consistent - but the prayers to God of the dead Saints for the living ... hmmm ... not the prayers of the living for the dead Saints to God. The only way out would be if there are two hierarchical types of saints. Where is that in the Scriptures?

[@simonbrown1486]

“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭5‬ ‭

[@timgrady4630]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@pkorns1892]

We don't pray to the catholics veneration of heavenly saints.

[@mikesolns1364]

There's no evangelical church in the bible

[@darrellperez1029]

Amen

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@darrellperez1029]

@soljos1190 Amen. Ergo Faith and (good) works. You have said it.

[@mikesolns1364]

@soljos1190 Hebrews 5:9

[@soljos1190]

@@mikesolns1364 He Is the Author of Eternal Salvation to All Who Obey Him - Hebrews 5:9 August 17, 2018 by Bob Wilkin in Blog - Eternal Rewards, Eternal Salvation, Hebrews 5:9, Salvation through Obedience This question just popped into my Inbox: I’ve noticed there are passages in the Bible that appear contradictory. While some passages talk about grace, other passages speak of obedience. I suspect this is the reason for so much confusion among believers. I’m curious what you make of the following passage: “though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him…” (Heb 5:8-10). Great question. Did you know that Heb 5:9 is the only place in the entire Bible where the expression eternal salvation is used? Here is what J. Paul Tanner said in The Grace New Testament Commentary about Heb 5:9-10: 5:9-10. Through His sufferings, Jesus was perfected (teleiōtheis). This cannot mean that Jesus became any more perfect in His nature, for as the Son of God He is eternally perfect. The Greek verb means to bring something to its intended goal. These sufferings served to complete the goal of preparing Him for His role as our High Priest (cf. 2:10). This accomplished, He became the author (aitios, the responsible cause) of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. If we say that salvation in this verse means personal salvation (or redemption) that comes from believing the gospel, then we have a theological problem, in that the verse seems to condition this salvation on obedience. Yet the NT is elsewhere clear that one’s personal salvation can only be received as a free gift on the sole basis of faith in Christ and thus only by God’s grace (Rom 6:23; Eph 2:8-9; Titus 3:5). Neither does the text say that those who truly believe the gospel and are saved will assuredly go on to live obedient lives. Though one might argue that the obedience to eternal salvation is the obedience of faith spoken of in Rom 1:5, in the context of Hebrews 5 obedience is a reference to works. The best view is that eternal salvation in this verse does not refer to redemption from sin based on Christ’s atonement. This is seen in several ways. First, of seven occurrences of “salvation” in Hebrews (1:14; 2:3, 10; 5:9; 6:9; 9:28; 11:7), not once does it clearly mean salvation from sin. In several cases (1:14; 9:28; 11:7), it clearly means something else, which should caution us from presuming a soteriological meaning in 5:9. Second, Christ’s experience in 5:7-8 is meant to parallel that of believers. He suffered, cried out to the Father for help, and was “saved,” i.e., rescued through resurrection to share in glory. The “salvation” of Heb 5:9 cannot overlook the use of this word in regard to Christ’s own experience just mentioned in 5:7. Third, the context has not been talking about a sinner’s need for salvation from sin. This unit (4:14-5:10) began with the exhortation for believers who already “have a great High Priest” to hold fast their confession and turn to the throne of grace for help. Fourth, the obedience mentioned in 5:9 must be seen in light of the preceding verse. The verb “obey” in v 9 (from hupakouō) is clearly associated with the word “obedience” in v 8 (from the related noun, hupakoē). Thus the believer’s obedience in v 9 is meant to be seen in comparison with Christ’s obedience in v 8, namely, obedience connected with sufferings in the course of being faithful to God; not obedience in general. Furthermore this call for obedience to Christ stands in contrast to the disobedience that disqualified the wilderness generation from their rest (cf. 3:11; 4:11). If these verses do not mean justification and personal salvation from sin, then what do they mean? The context has highlighted how Christ was perfected for His role by obedience through sufferings, after which he experienced “salvation.” Now He is in a position to help His “brethren”―those already sanctified―who are being brought to glory (2:10). Through Him, they can attain to eternal salvation (eternal, because it cannot be taken from them). In the context of Hebrews this means an eschatological salvation in which one shares in Christ’s inheritance and reigns with Him. This is not automatic for believers; it is for those who obey Him―not a self-reliant obedience, but one possible through reliance on Christ as High Priest. This includes the obedience of holding fast one’s confession and drawing near to God rather than rebelling (recall 4:14 and compare the issue of rebellion in 3:12). So the only time when eternal salvation is mentioned, it is talking about eternal rewards, not about regeneration. We sometimes use the expression eternal salvation to refer to regeneration, but that is potentially misleading in light of Heb 5:9. Obedience is required if we are to rule with Christ in the life to come. By the way, I think God intentionally gave us revelation which, though clear, is capable of being misunderstood. God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Heb 11:6). He wants us to seek Him. If we do, we will find the truth (John 5:39-40; Acts 17:11). But if we are not willing to come to Christ, it is sadly possible that we may be duped by those who teach some version of regeneration by works.

[@ChuckParDue1953]

Kirk Cameron has done a lot of damage to the cause of Christ. He is a shallow believer at best. The Left Behind movies perverted the Gospel. I depise the term "evangelical." Acts 11:26 King James Version 26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called CHRISTIANS first in Antioch.

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform till death in order to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@ChuckParDue1953]

@soljos1190 Believing in our heart that Jesus is the Christ!

[@soljos1190]

@@ChuckParDue1953 Not clear on what you're denoting . Give some Exegesis . Your comment RE :;"shallow believer at best" is unclear as well .

[@2Chronicles714_]

I would encourage everyone to read Hebrews chapter 11 to help understand what real faith in action means. Then read James 2:14-26 to understand that a faith without works [or evidence] is a dead faith. A dead faith is non existence. Then go back and read Hebrews 3:6-19 & Hebrew 4:1-11 which make it clear you must continue in the faith or you will not have everlasting life with God.

[@GiftofGrace88]

Romans 4 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

[@Moody7561]

Here you go again, slithering under every free grace channel that you can find to try and sow doubt and stir up division.🤡Funny how you take Hebrews out of context; Hebrews 10 actually warns believers in Christ NOT to go back to the law, if you had bothered to read anything in context. Better go read Galatians and Romans and 1st Corinthians, and the whole Bible to see that man has always been justified by faith APART from works. Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Romans 11:6 - And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. These two verses ALONE prove you wrong, so you are clearly just being a good servant of satan and spitting on the one and true Gospel of the Bible. Don’t bother replying; argue with your mother. Galatians 1:8 - But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:9 - As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be ACCURSED. Galatians 2:4 - And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to SPY OUT OUR LIBERTY which we HAVE in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage

[@2Chronicles714_]

@GiftofGrace88 James 2:20-24 But wilt thou know, O vain man, 👉that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD ? 👈 21Was not Abraham our father JUSTIFIED ustified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 👉22Seest thou how FAITH WROUGHT WITH HIS WORKS, and BY WORKS WAS FAITH MADE PERFECT? 👈 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is JUSTIFIED, and NOT BY FAITH ONLY. 25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, SO FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD ALSO.

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@Moody7561 Thus one verse sums up the free grace movement Jude 4 For certain individuals WHOSE CONDEMNATION WAS WRITTEN ABOUT LONG AGO HAVE SECRETLY SLIPPED IN AMONG YOU THEY ARE UNGODLY PEOPLE WHO PERVERT THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY AND DENY JESUS CHRIST OUR ONLY SOVEREIGN AND LORD.

[@Be_An_Esther]

​​@@Moody7561 How was it out of context when OP clearly stated to read the full chapters mentioned, and THEN go back and search specific verses? 🤦🏻‍♀️ I can tell you've never read "the whole Bible" (I have.) because if you had, you'd know that throughout scripture, ot AND nt, repentance is never a work but a command from God, not optional, and no sin is forgiven without it. Jesus' first command when He began His earthly ministry was to REPENT! Please spare me the double speak "it's from unbelief to belief"and metanoia nonsense 🤦🏻‍♀️😮‍💨

[@michaelp5283]

So much unimportant crap distracting people from the gospel of salvation.

[@lsearls2]

This video is ridiculous its trying to make an issues where there is none let scripture interpret scripture dont try to twist it as is been done here

[@bobhawkins2997]

You are assuming a lot about Cameron's theology. He might be Calvinist, but then you assume that he does not believe in eternal security. In general, Calvinist hold onto eternal security by because he work of salvation is the work of God, not man. You would do well to record a conversation with a real Calvinist. Right now, you straw man Calvinist.

[@timgrady4630]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@Richard-nq7dk]

These men are dangerous. As dangerous as any who teach the pretrib rapture doctrine of demoms. Or any who preach what is not ever written in scripture.

[@Jasonshoots]

Kirk is not on the side of dispensationalism anymore.

[@Richard-nq7dk]

@Jasonshoots well, his work with the left behind series has fooled an entire generation into believing satans lies of a pretrib rapture. This is what im referring to. Not dispensation of grace, but the lie perpetuating a church ptetrib rapture that cannot be found in any scripture.

[@danielvargas9100]

@@Richard-nq7dk so, believers will meet Jesus in the air and literally come right back down to earth like a yo-yo (the yo-yo theory)?

[@Richard-nq7dk]

@danielvargas9100 in matthew 13 we are gathered into his barn by the angels. I believe we go to our mansions he has prepared for us. That we may be where he is always. That we are the white the brides waiting to be dressed in. And yes he in the short time fills his wrath in the 7 vials. Then comes the wedding feast and the 1000 year reign in heaven. But we are caught up before his feet touch down on mt zion. He brings with him those that were marked in the beginning of the 6th seal his elect 144000. His 10s of 1000s of saints that come with him. It says in hebrew 9;28 that we await his 2nd coming. 1 thes 4 says that the trumpet of God sounds and the dead in christ rise then we are changed. 1 cor 15 says this event is the last trumpet. Revelaion 14 shows this event. Matthew 24 warns of it happening after the tribulation. Revelation 14-15 shows how the wrath is poured out. It also shows us gatherd right before it comes. And Jesus tramples the winepress as we are made part of the kingdom of heaven, to be part of the new creation with a new heaven and earth forever..

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@Richard-nq7dk Jesus said He didn't know when the rapture would happen. How is God told you and not the Son?