What is the Ego and it's Gateway? | Four Sides of the Mind | CS Joseph

CS Joseph uses four sides of the mind theory to answer what is the ego and it's gateway.
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[@tecwynjones6532]

Okay, so here's my take on the "intelligence begets intelligence" part of the video. This is how I understand it, and hopefully you guys can too. 1) Chaos begets chaos and order begets order. How I thought of this is like a star. Let's take our sun, for example. Chaos wants to destroy the sun - rip it apart and have it spread all over space, like a nebula. Order wants to keep the sun alive and keep it as one point in space. Chaos will be brung to the sun as it eventually "dies" (goes off the main sequence) and chaos will rip it apart, and order reacts to keep itself as to create a white dwarf. Ergo, chaos wants (begets) chaos and order wants (begets) order. 2) Intelligence begets intelligence In this example, we will use science and knowledge. We can start with mapping out the night sky, and then we can lead to what those lights are, how they exist, how they were born, how they die etc. We manage to build upon previous knowledge to seek more knowledge, ergo intelligence begets (wants) intelligence. 3) Order cannot come from chaos as the 2nd law of thermodynamics states the opposite. This means that order must be created from an outside source, same as intelligence, ergo intelligent design is true.

[@CSJoseph]

very well said.

[@Mart-Bro]

Well articulated and i liked your sun metaphor. But i still dont believe the argument is correct, sorry. Consider the sign of the Tao. Yin is not all black and Yang is not all white. Yang has already a Yin dot in it. And Yin already has a Yang dot in it. Both sides contain an open gateway to their opposite. The day becomes the night, and the night becomes the day. When things are in harmony with the Dao, yin and yang flow into each other. Consider the saying: "hard times make strong people, strong people make easy times, easy times make weak people, weak people make hard times..." Chaos can give birth to order, like when you flip a coin enough times you'll get heads 10 times in a row. And order can cause chaos. Like when 2 people both talk at the same time so all you hear is noise. Yin and Yang don't live in different houses across the street from each other, bringing up their own separate families. They live in the same house and have many children together. Order & Chaos beget Order, and Order & Chaos also beget Chaos. They do not just asexually reproduce their own kind. This is the Way, as i understand it. 💙

[@RoccoArgubright]

Then where did this intelligent designer come from?

[@Dakuta12]

1) what is order and chaos in your example? Because gravity made the sun and keeps it that way, and fusion reaction tries to rip it apart. Or are order and chaos some intangible, metaphysical forces in your example? 2) so you're saying only intelligence can create intelligence -> but you're also saying that we build on previous knowledge and thusly become smarter. So you're saying there has been a starting point at which we came into this world without knowledge, but also that something intelligent delivered us to this starting point? Which makes it all cyclical, and somebody created that cycle? 3) so you're saying that there is a driving, metaphysical outside force that causes 'order', another metaphysical force in our universe to put things into a certain order, which allows life in the universe to exist? because people who study science can tell you how life came from nothing without relying on metaphysical forces. What do you say to them?

[@raenbow2000]

@@CSJoseph INFP stepping way out if my comfort zone but I feel it is worth it. You have encouraged it and I have wanted to for a couple of seasons. I believe I've heard you talk about the Meridians in the body akin to elements and how they are woven into the 4 sides of the mind. The same elements cited from Taoism; ancient Chinese Medicine/Wisdom. Have you said there are only 4 elements? Why is the Metal element being bypassed? Will you speak of it in later lectures? Like I get so upset when people only reference 4 elements when there are 5!! The ashes left behind from fire creates metal. You said it yourself. My knowledge comes from the creation and control cycles of the elements. They can be used to understand people's personalities, diseases, and shortcomings(super-ego). One can not exist with out the other. I just don't understand why it's not Fire, Earth, Water, Water, & Wood. Thoes are the Archetypes. Are you referencing something else?

[@shreyasj61]

Totally agree with your statement 'order begets order'. The world is your mirror. When there is order in your thinking and perception (internal), there is order in your world (external).

[@CSJoseph]

shout out to you, thank you for this dope comment.

[@helenzheng9557]

Just cannot get enough of this season. Metaphysics topics are the dopest! This is much deeper than types. I've only heard four sides of the mind from you, so I guess it is your original theory. Love your work, Chase!

[@ScotianSouthy]

Your thoughts so profoundly resonate with me... Keep up with your mission. This insight will be highly regarded after we are old and gone.

[@CSJoseph]

hopefully

[@ScotianSouthy]

@@CSJoseph I have came to the same view on life by myself. It is the one theory I didn't want to put out there to people because I didn't want it to be tainted by influence. Now i'm presented with another human being saying the hypothesis and rationalizations that I have derived, from what sounds like a similar set of reference points... so its over. Its not my personal theory anymore-- and that is something truly exciting to me... to be able to resonate with someone on this and in these ways. Thank you. I at some point would hope to find a way to just have a 20 minute conversation and see if it ends at 20 about it. As an ENFP who tries so hard to be a thinker, so it is so great to see my theory from your charge.

[@kurodesuuuu]

@@ScotianSouthy which theory are you talking about? Chase went through so many in this video lol

[@elisabethw9189]

Well according to Eastern philosophies, its not about "ego death", its not that the ego is a "bad" thing.. Its about discovering that the ego is an illusion, as the perceived self is an ever changing process.. I believe you would enjoy Thomas Metzingers book The ego tunnel.. Where he proves by the help of neuroscientists exactly what Eastern philosophies have been teaching for thousands of years :)

[@sxept3809]

More ppl need to watch these vids as-well instead of only watching your “who are the xxxx’s ” vids

[@CSJoseph]

Preach!

[@aurashift8737]

I am so refreshed to hear someone defend the ego!

[@CSJoseph]

I know right.

[@Leneah99]

Mr. Controversy S. Joseph, I think darkness suits you. I’m throughly enjoying this season!

[@ChrispyNut]

I'm gonna continue to hear you out on this, because your Jungian theory is by far the most cohesive, comprehensive and logical I've come across, but I'm certainly pulling some highly sceptical faces for a bunch of the stuff you're saying about evolution, intelligent design, order/chaos etc, especially because much of it seem to contradict itself (but that's true of life, so could make sense). I do wonder how close you'd put Te behind Si for "common sense" stubbornness though. I've had Te users being the "but Common Sense" folks, but Si does make a lot of sense too. Thanks as usual for sharing, I shall give this some thought whilst waiting to hear you further flesh out your argument/perspective. Peace &

[@CSJoseph]

much appreciated

[@yustinushalim1146]

Thank you for sharing this. This is only the reason I always give time to watch CS Joseph videos. I have been his subscriber since 2018.

[@truenemesisprime550]

As an INFP, I love that you are including metaphysics. Your mind must come up with amazing ideas as an NE hero. I'm only an NE secondary and I have tons of ideas :)

[@mohammedalmuteb5501]

I saw a lot of proof that you're movement type. Jo but by far recording while you're driving is the biggest. God bless you brother. Always appreciated your content.

[@RoseyCreations]

I'm an Atheist but I don't like to immediately close my ears to new ideas. Instead of instinctively being loyal to my beliefs I'll try to open myself. ~~~ Te inferior gang ~~~

[@certifiedcephalopod3635]

It's something you have in abundance.

[@SnoozeIRTL]

I am agnostic, not a creationist. Now I want to say, there's no need to attack his creationist viewpoint as though he's a traditionalist. The product of his analysis is something that he's come to by an original process. Traditionalist are the ones who are immediately vulnerable to logical fallacies. Do not treat him the same. This guy is not a bible thumper. For fucks sake; he's an advocate for allowing certain types of people to avoid having a moral conscious for their own mental health. I haven't gotten into why he thinks what he does, and I won't debate other people on his behalf, because I'm not even saying he's right... But something tells me the atheists are just blindly triggered at the word "creationist".

[@classiccarsclassicrock9433]

Nice comment.

[@SnoozeIRTL]

@@classiccarsclassicrock9433 INTP gang, represent.... I can't argue face to face with someone or give oral presentations, but I can sure design a water-tight comment. hah

[@CSJoseph]

I cannot explain why I like this comment.

[@andrewross5454]

This video while driving..... Your dedication is both inspiring and disgusting. You, sir, are the Dopest. If you know what I mean.

[@Jess-yv7zc]

Yes, haha, I get REALLY excited whenever somebody starts discussing science or religious philosophy. Also, I like ENTPs bc they typically don't get offended when I get excitable about a particular subject or when I disagree with them on a certain point. My inferior Fe pretty much always causes me to later wonder and worry that I've made someone feel bad after an intense discussion. lol. Right now, I'm reading the books of Dr Paul Offit and between you and him, I've gained some new info and some new insight into the life and mission of Jesus. Damn, his book Bad Faith is triggering the shit out of me, though.

[@ElifB1]

This video is goldd. Your ne and ni are both pretty good. Your ni is more developed than most ni doms. Thanks for sharing this info

[@zeinabzein1514]

Hey, This is my understanding of *chaos and order as applied to the perceiving functions* Ne is chaos in the abstract. This is why listening to an Ne dominant seems like they are going all over the place with their ideas. Even though, the ideas are connected and the pattern is there, the connection is unclear, unless the listener has an background in the concepts. Then, Si is the order to the Ne, creating a knowledge base. If the person has a stronger Si then Ne will provide chaos to stir new things for the Si. Then what's the role of Ni? Ni is the order in abstract ideas. It takes in what's relavant to bring up a pattern that's clear. It's seems more specific than the pattern of Ne because Ne links randomly, while Ni links in a specific direction, which leads to systems within larger systems. Moreover, Ne due to its randomness is able to see new links and be more creative with abstract ideas. Se then is the chaos to the Ni, because abstract ideas can't always be applied as they are, so the physical situation at hand has to be taken into consideration to reorder the Ni system. With a stronger Se, the Ni brings more order to lead to a system to use. With regard to ego death, the concept is misunderstood by some and they end up spreading their misintepretation. Ego death refers to changing old habits, coping strategies, perceptions accumulated over time due to experiences and interpretation of these experiences. When a person has a awakening or becomes more aware, he/she reevaluates the previous ego aspects. This is why these people seem to change and be different, but their ego is still there. The ego is a construct of the mind that will go nowhere, and again it will accumulate perceptions, habits, and coping strategies. My two cents

[@CSJoseph]

dope two cents

[@T216-n3h]

Time to do what you told me to do Chase. One can never call themselves an expert, that is reserved for others. I and many others will tell you yes you are an expert. I think the words you was looking for was student. Forever a student. When we lose that mind frame we are prone to stop listening and learning. From one wise student to another with the utmost respect

[@st3llarmemer111]

~The 3 Es of NTs~ Engineering Entrepreneurship EVE Online PS. We're either going to be an interstellar civilization or a dead civilization. Hence why we need to go into the stars within the next few centuries.

[@CSJoseph]

yessir

[@ChrispyNut]

If you haven't come across him already, I thoroughly recommend Isaac Arthur's YT channel ..... if his speech impediment isn't too irritating to you (watching at 1.5x+ speed helps a lot).

[@st3llarmemer111]

@@ChrispyNut I love Isaac Arthurs channel, watch it all the time

[@feniamouliakou8948]

I LOVED the deep stuff on this video. Thank you.

[@patrickmelitski2710]

This was a freaking awesome lecture. Really deep, and I loved the A.I. theories.

[@authorerynblaire-craftingc9379]

Nooooo Chase, you have to fix it!! Its****** Okay, now that I've gotten that off my chest, I can watch. lol.

[@redefinedliving5974]

he still havent lol

[@redefinedliving5974]

you never fail to give me a-ha moments!!! it's almost a year since i last watched your videos and here i am again, same time like last year. i've been contemplating about this, chaos and order in the realm of human beings. yay, it's so fascinating!

[@immedi8Minds]

Beautiful. A bunch of my slight discrepancies with episode 1 were addressed, in this video, with more accurate statements than ep1 had. Very well done. And, I've enjoyed both vids and find them very true. Thank you for being you and for illuminating great things that you've discerned.

[@Austiin_vdw]

In much of this video, you are basically explaining the European pagan worldview. I came to these conclusions and it's why I've returned to the old traditional beliefs. They are build on a collective unconscious

[@RobbieNewell]

Very very good Joseph! I def have to further develop my parent function more and not let my inner child function run my life so much. it has taken me far but it has also taken me to a point and I want to have and experience more so I can be better for myself and to my fellow man like you said. I feel slightly insecure saying this lol but anyways everything you said really resonated with me so much. I think I am an INFJ.

[@Jay-yg9mg]

I found it useful educational enlightenmening and motivational. Thanks Chase! Just the right kick I needed. Side note, I definitely see a lot of Hero, Parent, Inferior ordering with respect to how people view the functions' development. Interesting and eye opening to hear it phrased the way you have.

[@JR-ow8xg]

You can't imagine how much I appreciate and enjoy your videos. -ENFJ

[@xandirkuro4790]

12:12 Not quite zero, just a neutral object is needed to make a set work, i.e. you need an x, such that g*funny sign similiar to a circle*x=g for all elements in ur set, yes addition and multiplication is a set(fun fact: in multiplication 1 is a neutral object, so multiplying is possible without zero.

[@milabellaful]

This SJ doesn't hate you.

[@yustinushalim1146]

Neither do I coming from an ESTJ

[@plasma.]

Can't wait for when a bunch of intj videos come out

[@RobbieNewell]

Very very good Joseph ! I def have to develop my parent function more and stop letting my inner child run the show when I get in a rut or get comfortable I’m an INFJ

[@stevemiller8895]

The other aspect of order out of chaos is the understanding of entropy and the maintenance of it. And one of the purposes by which we were created was to bring order into this world. And we are supposed to be agents of order. Just like the Holy Spirit brings the order into our chaos of our hearts because as Jeremiah 17:9 states that our hearts are wicked and deceitful who could know it but the Lord tries the reins of the heart. Jewish tradition this is called TIKKUN OLAM Which means to restore the world. For example if you go back to the garden of Eden what was Adams job? It was to tend the garden right? This means he had to maintain the garden. And through his maintenance brought order into the garden. Just like your maintenance when you go to clean your room or your house or anything at all is bringing order into your chaos.

[@johnearnshaw5036]

Maybe order is a temporary state of chaos.

[@CSJoseph]

maybe the chicken came before the egg

[@johnearnshaw5036]

Have you watched any of the Trialogues, the 3 way conversations between Rupert Sheldrake, Terence McKenna and Ralph Abrahams. You might enjoy the Chaos, Creativity and Imagination Trialogue, it's on KZbin.

[@seangan459]

I'm study psychology at university, and I'm really hoping for these theories to be brought into mainstream psychology. Been thinking a lot about how to integrate depth psychology with knowledge we already have within quantitative psychology, and how we could accurately and non-subjectively type people. Is there a group to discuss things like this?

[@Jess-yv7zc]

Also, for the sake of accuracy (regarding my comment from a few min ago) I'm technically arguing for abiogenesis rather than evolution by natural selection. Evolution by natural selection technically doesn't prove the origins of life (it just makes a REALLY, REALLY strong case for either primordial soup or hydro thermal vent origins). Abiogenesis takes these theories further but is separate from evolution by natural selection. Also, my understanding of macroevolution is that it is just microevolution on a reeeaaallly long time scale (like 3.50 to 4.64 billions years). I love that you are challenging the norm regarding Jungian analytical psychology/depth psychology and calling upon high Ni users to turn it into reality. Nice. The psychology that you're teaching IS true. The type grid WORKS and many, many things you teach match up with observations I've made throughout my life but could not fully explain. Anyone can go out into the world and test your information and see that it's true.

[@sedanog1]

so funny thing about the concept of the collective unconscious and Ne. A few years back I was bored and on the road as a passenger. to keep myself occupied I decided to make a concept of a strategy or rpg game (or both) and utilizing different religions where all are present. the reason for all being present is by the existence of said beings comes from the worship or belief of those who are alive. Then about a year or two after that I became aware of Warhammer and gods in those games coming from roughly the same concept I had. then another year or two after that I found put about how some aspects of the gods within the elder scrolls work. If you have played skyrim you will know that the Thalmor want to rid the worship and belief of talos; without the belief of talos he would essentially have no power. I do not know to what extent these ideas originate as for all I know they came to be from either the other, from the same source, or independently thought of. either way I can only attest to having no knowledge of the concept prior to making my theoretical game.

[@ianlandellsolano4526]

Awesome content as always :) . I have an idea for another season,(might be helpful),it is common behavior of the types.i read your article about intp .it helps me alot, 12 common behavior of an intp(not sure)

[@CuddleClaw.]

I do believe in evolution and am atheist. But, I am keeping my mind open. I’ll definitely be thinking it over, as I do respect your intelligence. Thank you for sharing this.

[@CSJoseph]

you are most welcome

[@truenemesisprime550]

I have a question. If in our lives our parent comes first and then we come next as their children. Why is this not the case in typing? Why does the child come first and then the parent?

[@mettelaudon9668]

Hello...I am so impressed by your material, and I am listening through all of it...takes some time for sure. I have also brought some of the books your prose. I really think that this knowledge should be shared in school. Everyone should know about this as they go through life! Very good work of you!

[@caymant8959]

“especially, you know, in the restroom” lol

[@st3llarmemer111]

CSJ what music genres do you listen to? I personally listen to a lot of metal/electronic/rock stuff and I note other NTs gravitate to that stuff more than other types as well. I also like indie and classical music. (if your curious my favorite artists are Creo, Celldweller, Blue Stahli, Bossfight, Death & Rebirth, and some others)

[@michaelskogeng9080]

I love Creo too!

[@st3llarmemer111]

@@michaelskogeng9080 ayy PS. How'd you discover his music? I was listening to music that was popular in geometry dash and then Creo popped up in my recommended bar. Never regretted it. Though a lot of people discovered it directly from GD.

[@CSJoseph]

Hellberg

[@michaelskogeng9080]

@@st3llarmemer111 I was going through extreme demons on geometry dash, and discovered Black Blizzard. The song got me hooked. I wanted to see what else he had made. All of the music I listen to come from GD lol.

[@st3llarmemer111]

@@michaelskogeng9080 haha I can tell. GD levels have a ton of great music, though sometimes the GD community gets a little overboard by always mentioning some GD level in the comments of a song

[@erinjk123]

Progress from chaos for enfp I think it was. Maybe we should get rid of the seasons and throw it all in to one soup pot.

[@JoeMama-ik3cs]

The whiteboard is why I got into C. S. Joseph. Nobody else that I could find actually used visual aids to help convey their message. And I could never hold in my head what they were saying because I need those visuals to remember. So yeah whiteboards ftw

[@RoccoArgubright]

Cool video, but there are 2 points that I disagree with. The first is "intelligence begets intelligence therefore there is some form of intelligent design". The reason I disagree with this is the fact that by that same logic, the intelligent designer would also have to be created and it creates this infinite cycle. In fact, I agree that yes, intelligence DOES beget intelligence, but it doesn't prove intelligent design. The second is "order cannot come from chaos". Although I do agree that the universe is constantly increasing in entropy because it has been scientifically proven, I completely disagree with the fact that order cannot be the product of chaos. An obvious example is if you clean your room or organize your clothes. Another example is the formation of stars. Stars come from the product of space dust from previous supernovas coming together due to gravity. The formation of the star is order, the original supernova of previous stars is chaos. (It doesn't have to always be from supernovas, I'm just using it as an example) Keep in mind I am not arguing that there is no intelligent design, just that I don't think these points you bring up prove that.

[@CSJoseph]

you yourself is the source of order that is exerted upon the chaotic room. Also, world building in books and games and dreams is an example of limited vs. unlimited scope in intelligent design.

[@ruthlessfairy]

The thing you said about the pyramids and different cultures around the globe getting to the same action at almost the same time in ancient history is something quite interesting. I first heard about it in a Chinese dysstasias course in uni, and now from you. Gotta do the research now. Ne is great! Wish I didn't had it as the Nemesis but oh well, gotta work with what you got :) Thanks for the lecture!

[@CSJoseph]

Read Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert for the culmination

[@paul2609]

What season/videos did you talk about the Anima and Animus? I may have missed it.

[@CSJoseph]

S17E3 which is not yet out.

[@codidrake1]

Chaos begets chaos, order begets order; absolutely. Yet, could it not be the case that chaos might have spurred the formation of order? It seems plausible that in the randomness of chaos, order could potentially emerge and further itself and its complexities through time and with a little controlled chaos. Life itself is a balance of order and chaos. There are ordered structures that guide life processes, yet there is room for chaos in the form of variation and adaptation of which we deem evolution over time.

[@CSJoseph]

it can, as the feminine exists to challenge the masculine.

[@jasonankin744]

Are you going to do videos on how to train/develop each of the cognitive functions?

[@CSJoseph]

Season 16 playlist.

[@jasonankin744]

@@CSJoseph already watched it 🤙

[@danielmuresan6779]

"the point of the ego is to provide challenges to life" . Nice! #infp

[@空内]

Glad to see that makes you happy! How do you feel about it as it applies to your personal growth?

[@danielmuresan6779]

@@空内 wrong comment?

[@powerforu94]

When "new age hippie people" say "you need to kill your ego" they're not talking about the thing that you call Ego. Even though the same name is used, the meaning behind the word differs. Even in the psychological field in general, not limited to Jung, the ego has kind of a different meaning than it has in spiritual circles. The "spiritual definition" is : the illusion that you exist as an entity (human) that's separate from the world; that is your feeling of identity. When your kill that identity you stop identifying as "yourself" and you start identifying as God (and the whole world, because everything is God). This is what is also known as enlightment (no idea how you came up with the idea that enlightment is "mastering all 4 sides of your mind" or whatever and you haven't really explained it in depth yet. Oh and btw, those teachings have been at the core of every spiritual tradition for the last 4000 years, this is not some "new age hippie" concept. And while you have the right idea that the universe is designed by an intelligence, overall I believe you're still quite spiritually naive and can be very one-dimensional, trying to explain everything with cognitive functions. You need to be more multidimensional if you really want to understand the world. God you trigger me so much with that arrogant Ti parent sometimes. /rant Oh and inb4 you call me an NF.

[@CSJoseph]

new age hippie concepts that are 4000 years old all stem from the same mystery babylon religion.

[@certifiedcephalopod3635]

@@CSJoseph just because something is 4,000 years old it doesn't mean it has any merit to it at all. Human sacrifice has been shown to date back over 7,000 years with steles that may even prove it going back almost 11,600 years. Let's not forget the countless mass burial sites throughout Peru that contain remains of hundreds of children as a result of mass ritual sacrifice. Human sacrifice is something that still takes place today among tribes, and there have even been groups such as heavens gate that committed mass suicide as an act of sacrifice. With that fact alone, are you going to propose we bring back human sacrifice by virtue of its age? "It's an old ancient practice hurr durr" isn't an argument. It's childish at best, and dangerously disingenuous at worst

[@markrittman2437]

There is a lot of serious scientific study on a subject known as entropy-driven order. This study includes such topics as the formation of crystals. Entropy does not occur in every system uniformly. The sum of entropy in the universe always increases, but certain parts of the whole may still increase in order. I say this as one that believes God created the universe anyway, but for other reasons than this claim. Random INTP thoughts: I think our perception of time has to do with order and entropy. Sensing functions point in the direction of order, while intuitive functions point in the direction of entropy. Thanks for the "mark of the beast" stuff. Those are some great insights. Besides the artificial sentience, we will be seeing some strange genetic engineered intelligence as well. Invertebrates with superhuman intelligence, etc. Will such life have different cognitive abilities? Mesoamerican pyramids were built thousands of years after the Egyptian pyramids. Water-only fasts of longer than 28 days lead to incredible spiritual experiences. It may have something to do with the pineal gland.

[@HuKayers]

Hey CS Joseph, I have an interesting hypothesis on why I, as an ISTP, need INFPs and ENFPs to help develop my cognition and I curious in what you think about it. My hypothesis is that since I have NE trickster and FI demon, if I use the higher functions of the NFPs,( as long as they are mature ),I can complete my cognition stack, and keep my superego at bay, even helping my demon function to become angelic. Idk, I could be right, I could be wrong. But maybe it could explain why STPs are so damn fascinated by NFPs. It’s just a thought I had. I’m interested in what you think about it.

[@CSJoseph]

they are fascinated yes. I agree

[@yustinushalim1146]

Fascinating, I like it. You seem (hopefully, you are ofc) to be well educated about Jungian psychology. Thank you for sharing.

[@MariaSpooon]

Chase, your on the path, keep moving. Don't sit on the curb📡🌟

[@D3tyHuff]

Jeez, being an INTP stuck in a rut is no fun. Maybe I’ll be the first transmbti person and identify as an ENFP cult leader from now on.

[@ChrispyNut]

No, it certainly is not, though living in a society that's fixated on exploitation, greed and ignorance is worse. I reached the point several years back where I refused to continue to assist such a culture to continue, which has closed off a lot of doors available to me to be "productive", particularly as the "decent/worthwhile" sectors/industries are very NF and we trigger each other too much to really contribute sufficiently . Damn Peter Joseph and his Zeitgeist films coming out as much Fe was developing, opening my eyes to all the harm our fundamentals instil on us!

[@CNStanza1]

According to your mentor's model, the paralell between the trinity and interaction styles, would human kind fill the background slot?

[@CSJoseph]

well done sir

[@777jplumb]

Idea: AI only has access to Te, Ti, Ni, Ne but the use judgment functions to perceive and perception functions to judge. Lack of actual sense and ability to determine right from wrong

[@KA-pe6sv]

I really enjoyed this lecture, and I’m looking forward to more in this season. I don’t know if you’re actually gonna read this, because it’s kinda long, but hopefully you do. I tried to be concise. My one disagreement was your logical argument for intelligent design. I don’t think the logic you used was completely sound tbh. You’re first premise was that chaos begets chaos, ok that makes sense. But then you say that because chaos begets chaos, therefore chaos cannot beget order, and only order can beget order. This is where I start to disagree because just because chaos can only come from chaos doesn’t mean that order cannot also come from chaos. For instance let’s presume chaos is just randomness (similar to how evolution works), and we have four digits 1, 2, 3, and 4. If we let chaos organize them it will come up with 1423 2134 1243 ... and so on with random permutations. But eventually it will make 1234 which puts the values in order. Evolution works the same but with molecules and DNA making billions of combinations per generation for the last >= 3.5 billion years. And on top of that, for each generation the most “orderly” are kept and the rest are eliminated leading to natural improvement overtime. Also micro evolution is just macro evolution over a larger scale. You can’t believe in micro evolution and reject macro evolution. Obviously you are more genetically different from your great grandparents than you are from your parents. So it makes logical sense that if you go back thousands of generations you wouldn’t even be the same species as that ancestor. Also just looks at dogs, they are proof that a species can evolve drastically. And there are plenty of more examples of species separating into other species over generations due to geographic isolation and other conditions. Also, for intelligence to beget intelligence, where would the original intelligence come from to beget more intelligence in the first place. It’s logically unsound to argue that our intelligence must have come from intelligence, but accept that the intelligence that created our intelligence doesn’t need an explanation. It’s like the watch argument which states: a watch could not be created through random chaos due to its complexity; in order for a watch to exist there needs to be a watch maker. So since human being are complex there must be a god or an intelligent designer to have created them. Now this is not logically sound because a watch maker is even more complex than a watch, and so a god would have to be even more complex than a human. Therefore it would be necessary that the intelligence designer would have an intelligent designer and that intelligent designer would have another intelligent designer and so on. This ultimately makes any monotheistic god or intelligent designer logically unviable. I think given the vastness of the universe, and at least 13.8 billion years of inconceivably large amounts of tiny particles interacting with each other, that self replicating life could have formed. Logically since better replicating life can replicate more and pass on its better replicating traits, life naturally is able to improve even to the point of developing consciousness (which is really just defined as the ability to be aware of your own existence). There is also evidence for this being a result of evolution due to the fact that different animals have varying degrees of consciousness raging from some animals being able to recognize themselves in a mirror to humans being aware of their own brain processes. This also makes sense given how small we are in the vastness of the universe. Most of the universe is just empty space and barren rocks and planets. If there was intelligent design, why would life and intelligence have such low occupancy in the entirety of the universe of 30 billion planets? It really seems that intelligence has come from probability. A designer probably wouldn’t design a universe with such a small amount of intelligence reserved for tiny beings on one tiny planet. I think I could right a whole ass book just on intelligent design and the existence of god. But these are my main rebuttal to your points in the lecture. I think I could have explained them more clearly, but hopefully you got what I was trying to say. I would love to hear if you disagree with this and why, I love being proven wrong.

[@CSJoseph]

if the chaos is ongoing indefinitely then there is no order that can come from chaos. The chaos presented with the Yin is indefinite inasmuch as entropy is.

[@danielmuresan6779]

45:48 - 46:48 : this would be hilarious if taken out of context

[@archviz_alicia3279]

Could you make a series about how the 16 types talk? I mean which words do they use? How much do they usually talk compared to others? Do they speak metaphorically? And so on. It would really interest me.

[@CSJoseph]

Season 18

[@XxdrknglxX]

I need you to explain something to me... I might be biased as to what's the point of my Ni hero, but... If in this theory the extroverted functions feed off the introverted functions then why is "Ne" such point of references and how does it interact with "Ni" when all I am hearing you say is that, the relevance is actually in "Se"... I am following this very closely but I can't understand that part, how does Ni act upon Ne.. I am by my own study and my own perception an Ni hero, and I've come with these theories and thoughts without studying much and at a WAY OFF specifics stand point... I just see the patterns and I create my pholosophies from it but again... How does Ni truly work? If Ne itself is the collective unconscious, how does Ni work? what does it do? How does it interact? It makes me think of "The collective unconscious" to be NOT Ne but rather like you talked about the mind of God that fourth behind the scenes creation that has no form... And Ne acts upon it in another way collecting information with a width perspective whereas Ni makes more structured guesses... How much of Ne are you really using? What if it's your unconscious "Ni" ally/nemesis that's making all of these connections or.. Filtering them after your Ne hero took them? But the collective unconscious is something entirely separate? Or am I getting it wrong... Forgive me please if I mistook it, or if I didn't understand but... I am not getting that part of the puzzle. I've been looking all my life for people like you to actually believe me, and bring more for me to build... Many of the things you've said are 100% true...My INFPs always bring stuff out of the Ether, dreams and whatnot and they most of times take it as... Meaningless stuff.. And then I make incredible connections out of them and I create concepts or theories... I don't have those dreams myself ... I analyze stuff I guess through my Ni-Ti but I don't have these weird dreams... I have visions and epiphanies but not as "Weird" and I always know where the epiphany is coming from and why... I always do reverse engineering with my own ideas and "Realizations" ( not discoveries because they've always been there).. Sorry if this is one on one material but... If you could... Please.

[@CSJoseph]

Ni hero is finding best path forward for yourself

[@XxdrknglxX]

@@CSJoseph It's the same connection to the Ether. but for myself alone? Alright!

[@jamuson4359]

this fckng man. A true NTP. I have an appreciation for the whiteboard. When I touch a whiteboard, my libido jumpstarts.

[@pinklasagna8328]

Is the similarities between generations in different cultures Ne? Like gen z from canada to Libya to india to japan are different but same in their core.

[@ElifB1]

Good points but, akashic records or metaphysics is not Ne. It's transcendent intuition. Anything you're drawing from the internal can't be extracted with an extraverted function as you describe it. We might be accessing transcendent self with our dominant function so you are most likely associating it with your own dominant function.

[@gandfgandf5826]

To study so much, you must have great concentration. Envious.

[@willfifth4150]

Entropy can't spread infinitely. If it does everything becomes homogeneous, and that's not chaos. In order for chaos to spread from this point it needs to arrange more complex structures for divercity - ergo create order. Thats a law of self organization (Or the way I understand it). It's like ying in yang (or the other way around, I never know witch is witch.) The same with order - the moment it grows bigger than it's selfconsciousness, its unconscious gives birth to chaos.

[@dervaish3379]

I don`t usually comment online but I got triggered.. You mentioned prophet Muhammad being ENFP, is that based on writings in Quran or his life? "Collective unconscious" could even be the inspiration we get or some default cognition we are born with (intelligence design by a Creator), and we can develop it over our life or ignore it? Not saying I know and have proof, just an idea to think about. If there is a Creator and we are created for a "purpose" then we have to know it or realize it somehow.

[@CSJoseph]

both. Yes it can be inspiration, that is what the collective unconscious can do.

[@fenzda]

Much appreciated Chase.

[@someonerandom713]

I can see where you're coming from with your rant on people not understanding the ego. You're triple systematic and that gear grinding is a terminology problem. Let me add the interest based perspective here: What you mean when you say ego can be entirely unrelated to what they are talking about. Granted, I don't know what _they_ are talking about. I would hardly ever persist on a certain word as my definition of it only. And I doubt most people you criticize from that perspective do so. Maybe they don't want to kill what you call ego, but what they call ego. ...for they do not know what they are doing. Regarding the evolution of the psyche, it sounds to me like the points at which functions as we know them became the regular thing could be close to the point at which oral tradition developed and people started conserving history.

[@Tophurian]

Lol my wife (INTJ) said this is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'd do (ENTP). Who in the world could possibly confuse Chase for an ENTJ?! Look at what he's doing to us! Lol But honestly, keep up the awesome work Chase! This Ti needs become Te!

[@duaa7576]

My brain has officially combusted. My Ne is too low down for my to comprehend any of this.

[@D3tyHuff]

If Ne is the collective unconscious what does Ni represent?

[@nutcracker2023]

I'm not sure but I think Ni represents the personal unconscious.

[@CSJoseph]

the personal unconscious

[@83npat]

Intj video. Please.

[@CSJoseph]

it is coming

[@midnightblue2893]

That was a fascinating lecture thankyou!

[@xandirkuro4790]

Not sure which part of this is illogical: "36:04 Not quite , it's a bit of an overassumption, I mean you just said from chaos comes chaos that does not mean from order comes order. If it was "Chaos only begets chaos" , then you state that order must come from something else, if additionally we assume a dichtomy of order/chaos, then yes. From "chaos ONLY begetting chaos", "order must beget order". Also the later claim is either not clearly shown or falsely concieved. I mean it's like saying banana begets banana, so mosquito begets mosquito. It's an allegory, which doesn't always have to be true. " But I still think that in this video there is some stuff left unsaid. I mean you are pretty much assuming quite a lot of dychtomies(and since for instance you have love vs hatred , which are opposites, but then you have indifference that is not in this dychtomy), so I am not sure whether you are jumping too quickly to conclusions(like chaos begets chaos, so order has to beget order) or simply you are lecturing with some assumptions a priori (like the dychtomy of order and chaos). Plus you didn't not show for what reason order begetting order and chaos begetting chaos implies intelligence begetting intelligence. I know that I also give the parts I believe are enough for the proof, but most ppl read it as me jumping to conclusions, so I'm actually trying to point this mistake of yours(if you were trying to give a proper proof of what you were saying based on only logic). An allegory, e.g. "Since chaos begets chaos and order begets order, means intelligence begets intelligence", is not necessarily true since it works a bit like mathematical induction. And you can find a lot of proofs that are 'true', but they forget about a crucial step making them false. Not sure about allegories, but I can give at least one for induction.

[@matthijsmast5583]

Great, someone pointing this out. This part of the video triggered me.

[@kurodesuuuu]

This is so good

[@authorerynblaire-craftingc9379]

Whoaaa. Your brain is so freaking cool though and I definitely appreciate the work you're adding to this of branch of psychology. I like how you bring attention to the actual nature of the ego. I definitely believe peace and purpose comes from a balance though of the self and anatman. I like what you're saying about consciousness. We're all mini universes. We're all creators. And we're in a creative universe. I think it's great you study all the religions in this objective but open way. You got some genius shit to say about it. You spend way more time on this than I do, but I really relate strongly with your viewpoints. I've been labeling similar concepts void and form, but I got that from Eckhart Tolle. I'm using very similar concepts in my fantasy/dystopia book... for example, Life energy comes from pure consciousness (I call this void), but in my story, when the meta-sapiens begin threatening life by unhinging human life force from their agency, stealing their personalities and memory data in order to feed tech company greed, then consciousness starts becoming stronger within the living beings on earth and then the high vibrational void becomes magic abilities. LOL soooo my book is magical life energy vs pure tech and greed. But that doesn't mean the meta-sapiens won't gain control of their bodies again, it's just going to take a while.... Don't steal my idea, but definitely buy my book someday. Thank you for pointing out that Jung is a genius, but not the be-all end-all. Except... Whether or not Daenerys is a Mary Sue doesn't mean anything to me. She's awesome and I dig her. K Thanks! Goodnight.

[@CSJoseph]

very well said

[@xandirkuro4790]

50:08 I so relate xd The thing is through using chaos, an opposite force to the order(yang), we are tempering the yang in order to repell the chaos(yin). Which is why ENTPs have the capability of being a devils advocate. It shows in my conversantions, me challenging the norm and my love for intellectual conflict :D Also it's fery important since a 'pure', untainted by yin, yang is too firm for it's own good (any pressure that's over it's limit will simply crush it).

[@CSJoseph]

that is not how it works.

[@HenryIkoh]

Hello Chase, Here is my take on Inteligent design, We are all god who decided to break our consciousness into the universe and get to experience ourselves from the inside out. We are the intelligence behind the intelligence design, this is the only reason we are even able to comprehend our own creation. When we die, we simple return back to source or we may choose to be born again if we having completed out chosen experience and development.

[@xandirkuro4790]

Yep, you either leap a bit too quickly, thinking your audience has the same knowledge as you do or you jump too hastly to conclusions, imo it's the earlier. Also I know it takes a lot, but try to clarify or rather walkthrough your logical sequences(talk it through) if you want to explain your stand.

[@raven5347]

Thnx...CSJ!

[@SykeeNot]

It seems to me that not everyone fully understands what the ego is.The ego is you.Everything that YOU think YOU are.It is your self concept.Who you think you are,is nothing but a concept.I do agree with where you said that ego brings order,in a sense it does because the highest possible truth is discovering no self.When your in an enlightened state of course their would be no order being brought into the world because the Self with a capital S would only perceive and accept everything as it is.All this sounds nice but I’ve never experienced any of these so called truths for myself so of course this is all conceptual and not to be tooken as Truth.

[@kimberlydonaldson4904]

The Apostle Paul wrote that now we see as through a dim mirror and things are veiled but we shall see clearly one day (paraphase). Here's to hope! Much love.

[@someonerandom713]

You just called Alex Jones feminine? 😂 I mentioned it before. DaveSuperPowers has made some pretty impressing discoveries. One of which is that the two functions on one axis are one feminine and one masculine function. That's basically one disagreeable and one more movable function. Call it "Yin and Yang" if you will. The way they land for an individual is statistically consistent with how stereotypically masculine or feminine a person appears. You then look at sensing as well as the extraverted judging function, wherever they may sit within the ego. An Alex Jones, who is an ENFP, by this measure would be a "double masculine" ENFP (MM), with masculine Si and Te as opposed to feminine Ne and Fi. That's why he is so often typed as an ESTJ. You keep calling NPs feminine. Mind the different interpretations people can have for the same word. I see how Ne by its very nature could be about being pliable. There's more than 16 people on earth, so if however you put it, ENFPs are "feminine", there's some stereotypically masculine and some stereotypically feminine ENFPs out there. The people that I am surest about in typing them are those that I can jot down as one type according to both frameworks. Double checking consistency verification. You're the only person I've ever seen addressing the four sides of the mind. Yet, Dave, by his independent research, has found that people often mistype in certain patterns. He says he can almost predict which type people will assume they are. "Mirrored or inverted". And that, surprise surprise, is their shadow and subconscious. This is what I'm getting at. You may use vastly different terms, but the actual matter you bring across approves consistency. Ultimate truth *will* emerge. (I'd wild guess you as "FM-Ne/Ti-CS/B(p)", which translates to: feminine Si, masculine Fe, saviour Ne and Ti, prefered ego function combinations in descending order: Ne/Ti > Ti/Si > Si/Fe > Ne/Fe A.k.a. One out of so far 32 possible ENTPs) (Edit: masculine Fe*, not Ti in the Chase case)

[@generalpatton838]

U sure Joseph Smith is an ENFP? I thought he would be an SJ

[@CSJoseph]

yes

[@BRL1611]

I'm trying to learn, but he goes off topic, it gets to me. It's hard to follow. Does any one have other sources?? ISTJ

[@Entyipo]

Just put it in 2x speed and force yourself to listen. There are many many sources, but none as good as this.

[@tfw2997]

Pretty good video, though I still stand on the belief that this season should have been done a long time ago, along with season 16

[@CSJoseph]

one thing at a time

[@chaoticorder7481]

Chase, the truth is that I'm pretty sure you misunderstand evolution. I have heard you say this micro vs macroevolution thing. It's bs, it's a creationist talking point. Separating evolution into micro and macro evolution would similar to separating gravity into macro and micro gravity. The underlying components of evolution are the same irregardless of it being at a large scale or a small scale.

[@CSJoseph]

I disagree, because natural selection does not necessarily mean growth of gene expression over time, gene expression is based on preexisting genetic potential via a science known as epigenetics. I recommend looking into Dr. Catherine Shanahan's work.

[@chaoticorder7481]

@@CSJoseph i dont disagree with any of your points. (Although if a favorable heritable trait is expressed through epigenetics, natural selection can this select for that trait) what does have to do with macro vs micro evolution? All I'm saying is that this "I believe in micro evolution but not in macro evolution" has been heavily debunked. Its simply illogical. I maintain that Jungian psychology doesn't not disprove evolution (or macroevolution as you like to label it). In fact, evolution by natural selection can still be used to explain the existence of the functions, just any other component of the human body.

[@tradermonk9403]

If ya y want to feel spookier you should have dark sunglasses on .

[@CSJoseph]

I will look into it.

[@TheRisingSun3418]

I maintain that the nature of chaos is what creates trauma. I like to think of it as weather, specifically atmospheric pressure. Depending on density, constant and temperature, we can see how that pressure is created. It takes consciousness to be able to see that. Therefore, the notion of "killing the ego" is stupid by default. It's that simple. Without the observation of the world, both outside ourselves and inside, we would have no sense of what morals or ethics are, we would have no sense of what logic is or rationale, we would have no idea of what this experience actually is. Because it would all just be chaotic and that's observable false. Humans can be chaotic, sure. However, most people are just trying to maintain some sense of stability (aka control, aka conscious awareness). Without the sun, we would have absolutely no weather, simultaneously we would all be dead. A truth that also extends into consciousness. Without it, we would cease to exist.

[@sibestfunction4400]

speaking of Ne tropes, i, an ISTP, cannot watch movies any more i feel like ive seen it all there are only so many types of character and situation you can put them in until i just dont care. Ne is all mapped out by movies/shows/stories in a very Te way which i can eat up for breakfast and its just boring and predictable now!

[@webkelpie]

Okay, I'm here commenting on this channel because I came to see your thoughts and views, and specifically because I am interested in your views about personality. So, I am not here to criticise. These are your views and they may change but whether they do or not they are yours personally, not mine to argue with. Bearing this in mind, (and for what it's worth, 'cause this ain't my channel), I would like to say that I've thought about some of the big questions quite a lot. I've considered creationism/intelligent design/coincidence/inevitability and how they may or may not relate to evolution, because for me it cannot be a question of whether evolution exists or not, since I think it clearly does. I know the theory of evolution has required honing as new evidence, (assumed and proven), has come to light, but I feel that this supports the theory rather than disproves the theory as the basic principles still stand as the mechanisms around them become better understood. As for the other half of the question... Well, who can truly answer? A spiritual person may or may not be religious and therefore may decide that creationism or intelligent design may hold the key for them. A purely scientific person may feel or think it is a matter of it being coincidence or perhaps a matter of inevitability due to the building blocks of the universe being the way they are. But no one actually knows - for now, we can only guess. But this doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed just that discussion is unlikely to produce a reliable outcome. No matter the source of life's inception, I feel that it was an important part of my process to look at the works of people like William Grey Walters and Valentino Braitenberg, and to think about why a moth flies in to a source of light, (the up to date explanation). It can be seen from this that a natural process that has evolved to bring about a desirable outcome, (the continued survival of a species of moth), could easily be mistaken for having been created by an intelligence unseen, even though it has been the outcome of a natural process - part of a wider, highly-ordered process. This process is a part of a larger scheme often referred to simply as 'nature' and nature is by no means chaotic. It is a, (mostly balanced), dynamic whole of many highly-ordered, interconnected processes. In fact, even 'chaos' is predictable within a certain degree and is not as chaotic as may be believed. The differences in the universe are found where it appears generally consistent and smooth as opposed to where it is highly varied and differently 'textured'. Perhaps this is the conceptual difference one might look for in the universe, where yin is the consistent and smooth and the yang is highly varied and differently textured. It is tempting, I admit, to think of ourselves as somehow separated from our environment and therefore the human world is somehow different from 'nature'. But nature IS our environment and it could be, (if recently investigations over the last 4 decades are correct), that we are about to find out that our human world is very definitely just a small part of the natural world of which we are very much a part - and we are likely to discover this as it coincides with a rather nasty sense of realisation. But our collective epiphany will sadly, at that point, be too late.

[@CSJoseph]

thank you for this opinion

[@webkelpie]

@@CSJoseph , you're welcome. Thank you for yours. (And I can see that consistent and smooth as opposed to highly varied, isn't nearly as exciting.)

[@siryoucantdothat9743]

Where are the resources ???

[@CSJoseph]

csjoseph.life/reading

[@aishi2507]

I wish i could hear that bg music

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

Probably tired of hearing this but order can indeed arise from natural processes. Most clear example is the chemical substances of the earths surface absorbing light particles from the sun and gaining molecular bonds. More complex molecules arise from this process. Same thing with volcanic heat (or lighting, or kinetic energy from meteor collisions ocean currents or wind) causing chemical reactions where the energy is absorbed to form more complex molecules from simpler ones. Biology is just following that same principle though it is rarely light (photosynthesis) and more frequently creates molecular bonds from multiple other molecules breaking apart (food) to create a smaller number of molecular bonds and maintain the complexity of the organism.

[@kian1941]

Season 17 is my favorite season so far, I'm so glad that I have Si demon and Te trickster.

[@soureh]

First of all, isn't it a bit dangerous driving like this?! I'd lose control Secondly thanks for your content. I'm going through it one by one. I got curious, have you study Shia Islam as well?! Of course by Shia sources?

[@CSJoseph]

Yes

[@soureh]

@@CSJoseph Respect 👌

[@aronmaciel]

Does the functions ALWAYS develop in this order? Hero->Child->Parent->Inferior because I often see young immature people not only not having their child developed but sometimes even "neglecting" their child for exemple: INFP's that have no respect or care for traditions, ENFJ's that absolutely don't care about their looks or ENTP's that are completely unaware or even purposely "mean" to other peoples feelings.

[@CSJoseph]

yes

[@spannycat2]

Fe child doesn't mean you're a nice person. It could also mean you feed on other people's emotions. So maybe the ENTP fed on negative emotions when they were younger.