What is the fastest way to get from Flinders Street to Melbourne Central?

[@Revilok08]

great video, it would be great to see the same experiment after the metro tunnel is built since that would throw another option into the mix, and mould most likely be the fastest since the train is much faster than the tram, but since no services would terminate at town hall, you would have to wait a few mins on the train like in this video.

[@CBM_Walks]

@revilok08. Actual travel time from a Town Hall Station platform to State Library Platform is of course much quicker. (There's a real-time video on youtube, of it from the drivers cab, during a test-run). However, as it will be about 400-500 metre walk via the pedestrian subways, from the new Stations, to old stations, overall time (the way he did the comparisons may only be a little faster - re total time. Would have to find a start point, & end point that doesn't favour any station.

[@philosophyfraillon9362]

I reckon you got unlucky with the tram, most times there is one waiting there. It would be interesting to do this but starting on a train that has pulled in - whether it is faster to stay on it around the city loop or walk/tram.

[@hazptmedia]

Yeah, I did explain that at the end of the video

[@philosophyfraillon9362]

@@hazptmedia Oops, missed that!

[@paulorocky]

If you’re already on the train, just stay on board. Unless Metro are being DHs and alter your service to go back not via the Loop without telling anyone, which happened to my family and I exactly a fortnight ago.

[@liuhc]

Was doing this everyday for 6 month a few years back, what I usually do is to catch a tram if one is approaching, or just walk if none is in sight. Trams are still faster if you don't have to wait tho.

[@penguin_brian]

Seems to match my experiences when I needed to transport between Melbourne Central and University of Melbourne. Tram *should* be fastest, but whenever I tried I just missed one group of trams and had to wait 5+ minutes for the next tram. And the tram would be so packed it wasn't always possible to board. And the tram would always be delayed for "unexpected" reasons (e.g. cars queuing across intersections). I had to allow for the worst case time to meet my train connection. I quickly concluded that walking was far better and more consistent, despite the traffic lights conspiring to get me at every possible intersection for a full cycle.

[@peterk202]

Anytime I’m in the city I feel like walking is the easiest way to get around. Saying that if I’m heading out of the city transport is better

[@CommissionerManu]

Great stuff mate, answering the questions that the people needed answered!

[@HannahFortalezza]

That person on the tram with bare feet certainly looks keen to really experience Melbourne's ground-based delights

[@noahpuglia1257]

as someone who gest off at flinders and walks to melbourne central, good to know I'm not wasting any time, thanks for the video

[@davidlian5177]

this is a cool experiment :)

[@shanojebs]

I often walk up Swanston Street and watch at each tram stop to see if a tram will stop, also depends if you're connecting to somewhere else or not

[@slysnake5617]

I still reckon the tram is faster most of the time, you were just unlucky in having to wait. Soon the metro tunnel should be able to topple its crown provided they increase frequencies enough.

[@AshleyReynolds-vc6ly]

The new tunnel will be the slowest. There will only be one line using it, Dandy to Sunbury. Even in peak hours there will be waiting time of several minutes, plus a climb up and down stairs to get to the platforms. Outside of peaks you could wait ages. Can't compete with frequent surface level trams.

[@RealNotOrrio]

@@AshleyReynolds-vc6ly the dande line is the busiest in melbourne, there will be a 10 minute off peak frequency at worst with the potential of 5 minute frequencies during offpeak not to mention the almost 3 minute frequencies during peak, the train can go up to 80kph (not possible on cbd streets)

[@AshleyReynolds-vc6ly]

@@RealNotOrrio Even a 3 minute train peak frequency cannot compare to the tram frequencies. The distance is too short for the train to be of any advantage. Sure, if it was a longer trip the extra speed of the train would negate the waiting time. But if a train could do Melb Central to Flinders in 1 minute the extra distance to climb up and down to the platforms means the overall trip won't be any faster than a tram, even if there was no waiting time for the train.

[@Dream_M1]

Awesome video!!! 👍

[@WilDBeestMF]

Sometimes, it really is just quicker and easier to walk there.

[@hypercomms2001]

This is relevant as I am studying at RMIT, and I catch the train from Croydon that sometimes goes into Flinders Street...

[@hazptmedia]

For RMIT the tram would probably be quicker slightly as it’s slightly further north on Swanston

[@pamelaglickman1216]

Cool video! I've always wanted this question answered. My only recommendation would be to do multiple attempts at each method to get more representative times.

[@hazptmedia]

Thanks for your Feedback.

[@andrew7955]

Running. I've done it before when I missed the train at central and was late to class

[@rakhsanrazan4333]

Cool!

[@closeben]

Can you teach me how to respawn? The travel time via the city loop is pretty appalling tbh. The only instance where I wouldn’t walk here though would be if it was pouring with rain, in which case I would still take the train for comfort.

[@hazptmedia]

Trade secret 😉

[@RealNotOrrio]

i wonder how the metro tunnel would complete once it opens next year

[@hazptmedia]

Definitely would win

[@TeamEXAngus]

I came here just to bring up the metro tunnel lol

[@neddiecn6343]

The only way times can get a train directly to MC from Flinders Street is after 1pm on weekdays as the Northern loop changes to that direction.

[@senorliamy17]

If I am in the station, I'll take the train. If I am outside the station, I'll take a tram.

[@hazptmedia]

Pretty much summarised what I said at the end of the video

[@GuiltySpen]

Same because if your outside you have to pay a fare

[@Ducayneau]

Interesting. I usually change to the tram from the train as it's more direct.

[@tabuoey]

the only problem with walking is all the slow walkers on swanston

[@helicoptermn1463]

Nice

[@michaelhusada]

Ride a bike! 😂😂 It’s great that someone else had the same thoughts that I have but actually did something about it. Thank you for making the video and posting it.

[@hiroshikobayashi9599]

Not everyone has a bike

[@KeisOhtsuka]

I always take Tram 59,57, or 19 from Elisabeth St & Flinders Street to Melbourne Central.

[@vectornine]

I usually just start walking and catch the first tram that stops beside me

[@martindraganski917]

Best bet, walk towards MC along Swanston and meet up with a tram, hoperfully by Collins street, 6 minutes with two traffic light stops on the tram.

[@elmarow2495]

I’d say it’s ver dependent on time of day, how packed the trams are, events in the city and how much effort running around you’re prepared to put in, but this is a useful baseline!

[@mikeydynoncomedy]

When you caught the train I noticed you were standing on the escalator rsther than walking up it which would have saved time. Also tge train waited at Flinders Street longer than normal

[@AnonyDave]

I guess it's safe to say that if the weather is good, or it's a busy time on the trams then just walk, otherwise have a lazy tram trip in the free zone

[@GabeTrains]

Nice video Harry ❤

[@hazptmedia]

Thanks 😁

[@TurquoisechannelYT]

Why was it that when I saw the thumb nail the Glenhuntly Tram square was the first thing that came to my mind

[@hazptmedia]

Probably because of the Route 67

[@TurquoisechannelYT]

@@hazptmedia yes and the Comeng

[@prodofine373]

You should do the same thing but Southern Cross to Parliament

[@RealNotOrrio]

i'd imagaine the train may have a chance in that case since both the distance by tram or walk wouldve increased significantly where as the distance for trains hasnt

[@citybeatdisco19]

@prodofine , definitely train fastest for Southern Cross Station to Parliament Station. It takes 7 minutes train travel time from SCS to Parliament Station. & if use Mernda /Hurstrbridge lines (as closest platforms to Station exits, depending on which exit), would be best/fastest way, to get to whatever point outside the Station. Melbourne City used to be called The Golden Mile, as is very close to 1 mile long (slightly more) east-west/Spring St to Spencer St. So 1.8k. Average walking pace for a majority or people is 13-15 mins per km. So, be about 25 mins for a moderately fast walker. Tho of course are many that can walk faster. Official walking pace for PT apps/journey planners is at rate of 4km/hour. But many can walk faster, but that PT time also considers other factors, not just steps taken. Tram will take a bit longer than train, as there's 5 tram stops between Spencer St & Spring St - plus those two (9 mins daytime off-peak according to PTV). Boarding at tram stops near SCS can be bit slow too, due to large amount of people going from trains to trams.

[@citybeatdisco19]

@@RealNotOrrio Hi. See my comment just above. Actual PT travel time: Train = 7 mins, Tram = 9 mins (off peak), Walk = 20-25 mins/1.8 km. I did trams for off peak times, as trains don't have to worry about peak hour traffic. Usually, anyway

[@tylerdotapp]

usually for me it is like this Off Peak, Swanston Street Trams On Peak, Walking also note with walking i cut through myer to avoid Lonsdale usually but it id about the same time

[@ArchieSul]

Cool video

[@justinwright4833]

What about the trams up elizabeth street?

[@hazptmedia]

It was quicker to get a swanston st tram for this video as both the flinders clock and melb central clock are closer to it

[@afez2752]

The train would win if it wasn't from Flinders as all metro terminate there and then go around the city loop so they have to wait to be assigned from the original service to the new service but I have to say love your video

[@benficaM8888]

only in australia, where walking is faster than a train

[@Wdeane1957]

It will be interesting to see how the train compares when the Metro Tunnel is open. Just one station to the next, not having to go via spring Street and Parliament station.

[@RealNotOrrio]

its faster to take the train most of the time, the problem is that the train loops around the city making it take longer, once the metro tunnel opens the train will smash walking

[@planetX15]

Did you get this idea off Geoff Marshall?

[@marzzbar]

Also important to note the tram in the city is free. Personally I prefer riding my bike around, though!

[@DrDribs]

Ye didn't factor in the walk being on an incline. So if you're overweight Flinders to Melb Central will take a bit longer than Melb Central to Flinders.

[@AshleyReynolds-vc6ly]

Yes, but if you do it often enough you might not stay overweight!

[@MitchellBPYao]

That's like the main drag

[@harshilgupta6652]

depends on how fast you walk. i can walk from flinders street station to Melbourne central in 5-7mins

[@retabera]

And by hiring a scooter?

[@ianmontgomery7534]

I just walk if there isn't a tram but if I came to Flinders St on a train then I would just get a loop service.

[@brendanborg5020]

is it just me, it seems that everyone in melbourne walks in to each other

[@Wdeane1957]

Yes, the terrifying thing is that most probably drive cars the same way they walk.

[@JonathanRockway]

Not a "shoe day" for the person at 1:15 I see.

[@hiroshikobayashi9599]

Istg I needed this the other day when I got on the wrong train💀

[@victorianvlogzooooooo]

💀

[@TheOmegatron9000]

Nice vid. I thought it was odd to omit bikes from the option. Cycling is super viable and normal mode of transportation accessible to most. I think it would have won as well.. Only issue would be finding somewhere to lock it up, the CBD isn't great for that. Would have been interesting to compare your results to google maps route predictions.

[@Wdeane1957]

Where do you park your bike when you go shopping or meet someone?

[@TheOmegatron9000]

@Wdeane1957 Melbourne is lacking in official bike parking, but there's plenty of poles around to lock a bike to. The trees and garden beds along Swanston all have these little metal fences that are quite handy for that

[@Danceofmasks]

What about bicycles, rollerblades, or teleportation? Kappa On a serious note, I guess that's why they made the app that tells you when a tram is expected to arrive.

[@hazptmedia]

I think teleportation would be quickest, Not sure why

[@megs2244]

i love hyperspecific videos thanks

[@BenTouring4orby]

Tram network is so confusing lol

[@azndevo0l]

need larger sample size then just one trip on each method.

[@andreagriffiths3512]

It’s going to be walking for sure. Train takes forever and trams are rarely faster than I walk.

[@chiefpred9982]

Metro Tunnel :)

[@emilyisoffline]

cool vid hazzaaaaa

[@franzchong9315]

If Ola Didi Uber were options even with waiting you could do it in like 10.

[@hazptmedia]

No, the according to Google Maps, the drive from Flinders St Station to Melbourne Central is around 20 mins, nobody will get a ride share service as it is much longer and costly.

[@mikldude9376]

Nice effort mate , another option I guess would have been the taxi rank , probably cost you 20 bucks ro go two minutes up the road though :) .. It's funny as a young bloke decades ago I lived around the corner in Richmond , I didn't mind going into the city back in those days , in my old age I cant stand the place . my last time in the city I went by car to one of the big camera places to look at an expensive camera , finding a park close to the shop was an absolute pain , I left without looking at the camera . some might say , why didn't you take public transport , firstly I didn't want to carry an expensive camera and accessories on PT, secondly im old and don't walk too well these days . The taxi may have been the best option , but getting a taxi on a Friday in and then getting one out of the city again on a Friday , it's just hooorible. I just avoid the city like the plague now.

[@winterstar_27]

the fact that train is the slowest AND it costs $5

[@chappo91rulz]

The same thing could be said about the train. Imo the train would be quicker then the tram as you don't have traffic lights

[@paulwilliams73]

for laughs what about Flinders to Melb' central via Southern cross 🙂

[@1967bluesfan]

Because trams have to deal with traffic there is always going to be that risk of delays.

[@RexyH267]

Walk, it's free & you get exercise as well. The time difference is so minuscule.

[@Wdeane1957]

The tram is also free in the city area. Probably a better option if it's raining.

[@hazptmedia]

Trams are also free in the CBD but I agree with the exercise part.

[@johnguppy2120]

Yup, that all agrees will my un-scientific feelings to how this would end up. Hop a tram if it is there or you can see one coming, otherwise walk to destinations within 10-15 min walk. Trains are for longer distances. To note though this varies greatly depending on how mobile you are. If you are in a wheelchair or mobility scooter then the train would probably be quicker and a tram may be the best for an older person in general.

[@RT_today]

I'm surprised to be honest that walking was faster! Trams are slow, but I thought the train would be quicker. I'd like to see this done with 3 or 4 people. One to go by tram, train, bike, running, walking and by taxi. All have to start on the steps at Flinders Street and the finish line being under the clock at Melbourne Central. Call it 'Clocks to Clock race'. Who gets there first and what are the times for the 1st, 2nd 3rd, 4th etc???

[@RT_today]

To make it fair. Start at exactly 12 noon. So hope that public transport is running and on time etc.

[@Fitzroy-p3e]

but train just has to take a couple escalatores

[@CBM_Walks]

Interesting comparisons, but should show actual travel time on PT, as well as time from/to start & end points. People walk at different places, & are lots of variables available re getting in or out of Flinders St Station, & also re Melbourne Central Shopping Centre. Of course many PT time travel challenges (particularly London travel youtubers) do theirs from a start point, or just outside the touch-on barriers, so am not saying shouldn't, just perhaps not most accurate way of doing. As for walking, & being close to same time at PT, you even walked along the busiest side (west side) of the 2 busiest north-south streets. East side of Swanston St has half the amount of pedestrians, so even quicker, just have to cross & cross back across Swanston St, which is supposed to be 'Swanston Walk' & supposed to be able to cross anywhere. (though 2 people told me they got stopped for jaywalking; & I because of bikes & trams best to cross at lights). Way that was walked into or out of Melbourne Central SC is slowest way. Though never timed it, I do think quicker to walk along Latrobe St & in Latrobe St entrance, & are very close to the Clock. (Btw, the "clock" design at Melbourne Central is actually that of a - giant - Fob-Watch). Also, Elizabeth St is quicker to walk along, than west side of Swanston St. Except perhaps between Collins St & Flinders St, currently, due to 2 supermarkets & many food and retail. There's another way to get from that Melbourne Central atrium to Flinders St Station, but may not be quicker currently due to temporary closure of Degraves St tunnel/subway while better access is done & lifts installed, in conjunction with the new Metro tunnel south-north Line

[@IronHorse1854]

I always walk this. A lot of my friends never believed me when I said walking was just as fast and often even faster than the tram. Plus I just hate the tram experience in Melbourne and avoid it whenever possible. Don't get me wrong, the trams are fine 99% of the time, and it also depends where you're catching the tram, but I've been unlucky so many times and had junkies and eshays on trams that have caused such unpleasant scenes, blasting bluetooth speakers, fighting each other and screaming, occasionally people smoking on the tram which I have seen a handful of times. One time many years ago I even saw a dude who was sitting on the floor in the middle of the tram and openly smoking a crack pipe. Even when things go smoothly, I just hate how crowded it can be. This is not the normal experience for trams in Melbourne, again don't get me wrong, I really don't want to deter people from using the trams. I'm sure the majority of people who take trams every day and have done for years have never had any unpleasant experiences on them, I just seem to be unlucky with trams lol. The tram from Flinders to Melbourne Central is probably one of the safest in the city too, all the inner city trams are pretty uneventful. Wacky things tend to be more likely once you leave the CBD and end up in certain suburbs, but still rare and things are very safe lol. Plus I have legs that function and I like to walk, so I just walk whenever reasonably possible no matter where I'm going.

[@vividbiomass620]

Yeah, this is why I’ve been so far unimpressed by the two standout inner city transport ‘features’ in Melbourne of trams and city loop. On paper they sound incredible. But in practice they lack the regularity, consistency, and speed to be much better than walking. Melbourne’s easily the weirdest city in terms of public transport, because it has almost all the hard work of the infrastructure sorted. It just runs like a pig.

[@afez2752]

Have to agree they need a serious overhaul of the systems. To create a better service, the bare bones are there they just need the systems to work with it.

[@fairlymoon448]

nah mate, u gotta use the shortcuts. i used to make from flinders to myers in 5mins

[@hazptmedia]

Myer isn’t Melbourne Central though

[@52thephotoshop]

I usually just walk

[@ironsword7]

Feedback: Turn the bloody music down at the end 🤣

[@Alexander_Dunn]

I like how you were “walking” at 7:07. what a way to sabotage the experiment.

[@hazptmedia]

The camera was shaky, I was still walking

[@OwlGreene]

Eh?

[@Erasererer]

you were walking at about twice the speed of people walking next to you@@hazptmedia

[@LucaBellesi]

Def quickest and best way is to just walk

[@hazptmedia]

It’s consistent so it can’t be delayed like trains or trams

[@MassbyTrain]

1:15 that lady has bare feet on a tram

[@TheCodeBeast]

Hahahha I think everyone knows walking is quicker but no one wants to bite the bullet 😅

[@TheCodeBeast]

Or have to get lucky with the trams which is rare

[@sparksofmelbourne4508]

@@TheCodeBeastit’s not that rare

[@timisstilllearning]

I think walking could be the fastest way.

[@thomascerra8505]

Riding a bike…

[@Erasererer]

dishonest. seems like you wanted a particular result and tailored the experiment to get it. for example you can see the fed square crosswalk from underneath the clocks so you purposely started the tram run at a time that would get you stuck at those lights and make you lose a minute. also why not take an extra 10 minutes out of your day to get back to fed square for the walking run and do the experiment right? oh because walking uphill takes longer and that would've messed up your desired result. i work near melbourne central and i've had to run to get to flinders street to catch the train on sunday mornings. there's no way you 'walked' that distance in 10 minutes and we can see what your definition of walking is when you pass a regular pedestrian at double their speed. my only question is, why? you don't seem like you're against trams (apart from the "trams can get crowded" comment) so why try to claim that they're slower than walking? they obviously aren't.

[@hazptmedia]

womp womp

[@Erasererer]

weak@@hazptmedia

[@hazptmedia]

@@Eraserererwomp womp

[@TurquoisechannelshortsYT]

@@Erasererer womp womp someone doesn’t like public transport 😂

[@cgi2173]

EBike.

[@comeng625mproductions9]

get a plane duh

[@RealNotOrrio]

taylor swift mindset

[@beaudjangles]

bike. brompton folding bike