What is the real cost of using the EcoPro 2 Disc Resurfacing Machine?

[@DiogoAzambuja]

The keycard required to use the machine is absolutely one of the most anticonsumer thing I've ever seen.

[@frozenhouse5362]

What a rip-off, after spending all that money, you truly don't own the machine

[@dreamcazman]

The first thing I'd do is to see if it can be modified. Modchip for a disc cleaner, who would've thought. 😂

[@didgeteria9068]

Hope you still think like that if you buy one , put it in your shop or wherever you need it , get robbed during the night and boom 1600$ gone is 60 seconds vroooom .... I get you , but it's a safety measure I would say .... I think it's fancy 😅

[@bkirk0510]

@@didgeteria9068 whoever steals it could just buy the solution which comes with the card, or sell it as-is. Either way they're not really locked out of using it because it is stolen.

[@ericplante546]

They keycard make sense when the manufacturer is taking the life of the product seriously. Only allowing their cleaning solution by use of a timed keycard, that lines up with the lifespan of the solution container, is smart. It prevents the user from destroying the device from negligence. If you can spend 1600 on the machine, the cost of solution should not be an issue

[@DriveupLife22]

These machines make a lot of sense for sellers, but I would have to have hundreds of discs that need work to justify this. My local retro store charges a few bucks for the use of their industrial machine

[@HouseholdDog]

Absolutely this is for sellers. I resell DVDs. I am keeping a large collection of scratched disks so I can offset the price straight away, when I finally buy it.

[@Find.list.ship66]

It pays for itself over time

[@Dazyjay]

Some old games can get expensive, like 40-90$ for an og xbox game, this is nice to have because I’ve gotten so much games off ebay that come in scratched and wont work properly while claiming good condition

[@redfairmont]

​@@HouseholdDog Did you end up getting one? Does it repair to like new? Without swirl lines.

[@mathismuller6033]

@@redfairmont I am currently repairing one of these for a library and they said, that it was quite useful. They also explained to me how it worked. Apparently the machine does not actually grind down the CD so there are no more scratches, instead it removes the little bit of material, that bulges up, when the CD is scratched. CD players always read a little ahead of what they are actually playing to remove errors (I assume through software) so the actual scratch is not the problem, but what is a problem is that little bulge of material that apparently lets the player not read the CD properly. But these clog up easily, so if you don`t plan on using it regularly that might be an issue.

[@Playerz714]

the fact these use timed cards is insane wtf

[@Red.exe7]

I agree. That blows my mind. Why would anyone want to rent cleaning solution? It's like buying a printer and having to have a key in order for it to print with the official ink.

[@frozenhouse5362]

Its like the BMW heated seats, you have to buy a subscription ,for something you paid for already

[@coreydavis2894]

It costs .055 cents to refurb a disc. It’s definitely worth it if you’re running a high volume business. If you’re a hobby reseller then this is a stupid purchase

[@Blasko86]

Instant deal breaker lol

[@Kareemdinho10]

​@@Red.exe7Printers did work that way, although it targeted home users. / This product is clearly targeted for a business.

[@DangerousDevilOfficial]

I have had the JFJ Easy Pro for about 4-5 years. It works great for CDs and DVDs. But it physically ruined the first and only Blu Ray I put in it. It burned through the thinner layers on the Blu Ray, making the disc un repairable. So this looks nice for Blu Rays. But I can not stomach the time cards. I refuse to work with companies who basically lock their products like that. Jon Deer got sued and just lost their case against farmers for locking them into only using JD parts and repair shops. They now have to allow repair at independent shops. Apple also lost their suit. And have to allow repair to their products. This company is basically running a monopoly on these disc repair machines. If I had the extra money, I would sue them to force them to remove the keys, just to open it up to free market. Because these proprietary keys are total and utter bullshit….

[@dahub1127]

Excellent machine from a brilliant Japanese company. I went from JFJ to these and now I have three of them. The hinges go after a while but that's a cheap easy fix. I bought a stack of extra pads and I put them in my washing machine and then let them air dry. If you deal in a lot of CDs or DVDs I would urge you to invest in one of these!

[@AtomFlipper]

I use the washing machine too... saves a lot of time especially when i am putting between 100-200 in at a time. I have several aswell. Great machine. I recognise your name... You a aussie seller bro?

[@computersandgaming6664]

Great video. Another thing it's the discs start off sure at 400 then to 800, but then the jump to 18,200 to 100,000 is wild.

[@GameCentralStationVideos]

Just picked one of these up for $350! Thanks for the Video!

[@jurassic_zilla_01]

Lucky

[@aggressiveal6666]

Does it work? Or it's a scam ?

[@GameCentralStationVideos]

@@aggressiveal6666 it worked amazingly!

[@OfficialUknow]

Steal lol

[@mathismuller6033]

I am currently trying to repair one of these for a library and although they are really useful, they clog up very easily. The particular machine I am working on had not been used for a little and not been properly "shut down" (e.g. closing the nozzles etc.) which led to a clog in the lid. Admittedly the machine is easy to take apart, but it was still a rather annoying process to get to the hoses. However that led to another problem. The machine kept pumping the solution which then ended up inside the machine, which led to the rubber wheel of the solution pump slipping which in turn led to the machine not pumping any solution.

[@samv5173]

If the machine breaks down you are right back where you started 😂

[@nextchapterbooks5649]

Great video. Thank you. I guess I'm just confused about why someone would pay so much money to only clean 400 discs, in your cost estimation. I mean I'm buying it to resell CDs and DVDs for the foreseeable future as a business so a bit confused about that. I sourced 100 DVDs just today so i would imagine i could potentially use this minimum 500-700 times per week. So I guess in my case its worth it.

[@rwdplz1]

I've put several hundred discs through a JFJ Easy Pro ($200 machine, $15 pads, $15 liquid polish), what I notice immediately is THIS machine is nearly silent. The JFJ also thermal throttles after a dozen discs or so and you have to wait for it to cool down.

[@jccigarsandvape]

It’s worth every fucking penny if you do a lot of discs! Have an eco pro 2 and two autosmarts bought all refurbished and have done probably at least 1000+ discs between all 3. I’ve gone thru 3 keycards on the eco pro. Lol Otherwise if you do less than like 50 discs a month, maybe a pay per disc at a store would be better.

[@joestanley8692]

Does it help when your cds where in storage and could have some sun damage and will that machine resurface the cds. I don't know if you had a CD that would just stop and not play will that also help with that.

[@MrRoyobentoni]

Thanks for an honest evaluation

[@apolinarponce4506]

Why do you need a key card ?

[@ryans413]

This is why Blu Ray discs are so nice they don’t scratch I’ve had many Blu Ray disc years later still look great but some my DVDs and CDs all developed scratches somehow and I handle everything with care but still happens

[@retrogameg4721]

I’m getting micro scratches that are going all the way around the disk. Do you have the same problem? Is it the water I’m using?

[@liamlee3391]

Use the polishing pads man, I know this comment was nearly a year ago so I hope you have found this solution :)

[@retrogameg4721]

@@liamlee3391 Yes thank you. I called the company and asked them why it was doing this. They stated I needed polishing pads. I questioned why they didn’t just come with the machine like the other pads. The guy said that’s a good question and he doesn’t know. Anyways, I bought a few pads for like $5. Problem solved.

[@R0ndras]

Its because they want you to sell more stuff. Most of the things they sell in their site are overpriced(in reality the pads ,filters,etc all they sell is like a few cents for them but they will sell it to you at 10-40 bucks) @@retrogameg4721

[@joshenders]

Sure would be a shame for the keycard check to get NOP’d out of that firmware…

[@apolinarponce4506]

So it's useless after 800 unless you get another key 🔑 card sounds like they got you coming back to them like a drug dealer

[@heyzues5849]

Man I want this so bad but it’s so dang expensive. I think it would be worth it in the end as I sell mostly video games and after writing it off, time saved, it would be worth it after just a little time. Such a hard purchase hope I can find one for under a thousand and I’ll pull the trigger on one

[@Find.list.ship66]

It’s worth it man. I love it

[@nevarezfamilygaming]

I just got a new one for $980 during there Black Friday Sales😄

[@AidenCoutts]

Well what's the best option for someone running a very small operation who isn't cleaning anywhere near that many discs

[@E-Z_Gamerz]

JFJ easy pro, honestly it comes with a pad you put sandpaper on(buffing black pad) use it without the sandpaper 10/20 sec option and there is not swirls or left over ring scratches and makes it look brand new. Little secret I learned myself.

[@randybradley4151]

I do not understand your math at 6:04. How did you get the $4.21 per disc? Are adding in your initial cost including the cost of the machine, replacement pads and extra solution? Also after the initial cost of the machine and if you just buy the solution at 800 minutes and use it at 2 minutes means you can do 400 discs for $98.95 which means it should be .24 cents from the initial cost.

[@garagegeekguy]

yes, all numbers include the initial cost of the machine. I agree, if you negate the initial cost of the machine, then obviously the math looks much prettier. But where are you getting the free machine from?

[@currytigre]

Are you able to get a mirror finish with the polishing pads?

[@ash_1419]

Yes it can do

[@m4dski11zdotcom]

I’m curious. How long do resurfaced disc last? Do the scratches return? Thanks!

[@QuinnKallisti]

Yes, the scratches return, because that's how scratches get onto discs, they grow on the disc over time naturally. It's a myth that scratches occur due to poor handling, they are naturally occuring dendritic growths that are inevitable, and unstoppable.

[@QuinnKallisti]

Timecard? You mean open the unit and replace all controll functionality with an arduino, and use Acrylic polishing compound.

[@palemonvazquez1383]

are the pads only one size for example depending how rough they are?

[@HildegardActual]

Jeeze man... If I had that kinda money to throw around, I'd but one... I'm a guy who still prefers physical media, so honestly I could use one of these, I have thousands of games, DVDs, and CDs. I've got a hand operated unit, but this would be a dream.

[@Find.list.ship66]

Most of the time for me, 30 seconds is good enough. Love that machine

[@franciscoortiz6980]

Thanks for honest info. Very expensive machine... will look for cheaper option... I only have some 50 discs to clean.

[@palemonvazquez1383]

does it worked on blue ray dvd?

[@palemonvazquez1383]

what pads does it have?

[@CraigTalbert]

Excellent video!

[@dawnwingsnecrozma853]

Is this good for video game discs?

[@redfairmont]

Hello from Australia 🌏 im just wondering if this leaves swirl marks on the discs, im fussy and wont sell discs with marks.

[@liamlee3391]

Yes but if you use the polishing pads after the cleaning pads it gives it a great finish and removes the swirl marks

[@mariojones6674]

What happened to your other page ?

[@goosegoose9549]

Where can I get one

[@johnny8278]

Buyers remorse fears this man

[@ash_1419]

It's overpriced imo

[@whitenoise6252]

I have a jfj easy pro. I am about to buy one of the eco pro 2. I have used it before and it is far superior to the jfj. Jfj just leaves swirl marks on the discs.

[@XWhiteWinter]

ok lets real talk. wtf this machine cost near 2000 canadian dollar ?? im pretty sure it cost less than 100 dollar to fabric. The sd card that you put inside is a one shot buy right ? i find that this product is useless for the price compared to the advanced model wich you can put 50 disc at a time but the cost is litterally a rape. 22 k . are they taking crack during their meeting or what ?? For 2000 $ i would love to have a metal machine ( not cheap looking plastic ) with pad and product supply for a long time wich is not. on other hand the jfj easy pro look like an amateur disc repair machine and seem to be so messed up with the product that im very confused on my choice on the market , is there any other potential machine ??? thank

[@Valentine82]

Is this machine suitable for PS1 games?

[@R0ndras]

It is.

[@intothe643]

I have a dumb question, can it fix wii game discs?

[@Forzamon42069]

Yeah

[@goodnightmoon]

every compact discs

[@11BM22]

Game cube ?

[@TheUpliftingGuy]

Did Apple make this machine so they can milk more out of the buyers? 😅👌

[@garrett8707]

If you often sell games, it’d be worth the cost

[@raid_or_die8962]

Im not sure what you mean with the math you have layed out. How does it get cheaper per disc? Are you saying if you devide the cost of all the money you'd have to put into buying the machine, buying the pads, the solution. Take all that and devide it by 1200 discs than your paying 1.57 each?

[@garagegeekguy]

exactly. the more discs you clean, the cheaper it is per disc because the cost of the machine is spread out among more discs.

[@MrDalaho]

Where to get one in Europe? Second hand is fine

[@TheEyeTrax1]

Total Disc Repair. Based in UK, they also sell refurbished machines.

[@MrDalaho]

@@TheEyeTrax1 Thanks. I should have been more clear. Where to get one in EU. Buying from UK at the moment is a no go.

[@TheEyeTrax1]

@@MrDalaho They're the only source for Europe unfortunately. Need to get lucky when some reseller/collector sells it preowned.

[@JRO2189]

Actually each disc would cost 0.2475 . You would do $99/400 disc at 2 minutes .

[@super10nano1]

That is the math I got as well, not $4.21 per disc.

[@garrettc8490]

Yep, you're right!

[@HouseholdDog]

Unless he is including the price of the machine maybe? Which is kind of bad accounting. The machine is still worth something at the end of the run.

[@viridionwaves]

He is talking about cost of ownership. He is factoring in ALL cost of equipment plus 2minutes usage per disc at a rate of 800 minutes per $100. That's why it gets cheaper the more he uses it, because the cost of the machine, pads and adaptor get spread out more and more. That's also why there is a hard line to how little it can cost because there is the 800 min per $100 that will never go down. Only the equipment cost can be spread out.

[@garagegeekguy]

If you get the machine for free, that math would be accurate. I don't know where to get a free machine sadly :(

[@Ahov29]

It's true this machine leave some swirls on the external edges of the disc? Also can this machine give mirror finish? I know the next machine eco auto Smart can do both task, but cost s LOT more

[@mayday6880]

Nice machine, but the price is badass, and the keycard makes me speechless 🤪

[@computersandgaming6664]

I am all for buying shit, but god damn that thing is not cheap. It is one cool ass machine, but for almost 2k. Then you have the keycard which is BS, and for extra parts and things or whatever you need you have to go back to their website to buy more stuff for your machine. Not only is putting a dirty pad a bad idea you run the risk of damaging the machine I believe as well. It's really nice how it makes the process very easy, but the price and the keycard wow.

[@kleinabomber]

How does this machine compare to ELM's EcoSmart?

[@Find.list.ship66]

Eco smart is better but you have to switch pads in it. The auto smart is better but wayyyyy more

[@dahub1127]

This works on heat friction. The Auto Smart has 4 pads that sand down and polish. The Auto Smart and Eco Master are a lot better but also a lot more expensive. This is a huge jump up from JFJ but not as good as Auto Smart or Master.

[@sali-ali]

Where do you live? I can bypass the timer card check for you. You just have to disassemble one small PCB and send it to me.

[@kobe4521]

What are some businesses that would allow me to use their own CD cleaning machine?

[@mariojones6674]

Video game store

[@kobe4521]

@@mariojones6674 i haven't heard that term in a long time. 19 Y/O btw.

[@gamingislife3332]

@@kobe4521 there probably some in your area but also reseller might need this has well. It is a useful machine just not for the average consumer

[@fastasfawk9819]

Jesus what a throw back on the Xbox game

[@Roman_Vershinin]

Господи, как же я боялся в детстве знака "НЕ ВЛЕЗАЙ УБЬЁТ", для меня он был такой страшный, что я старался на него даже не смотреть! Таки знаки весели на столбах и трансформаторных будках. С одной стороны, они явно оставляли психологические травмы, с другой стороны, они выполняли свою функцию и отпугивали детей. Значит дизайнеры выполнили свою работу достойно.

[@kiendoan8800]

Hi Sir. I want to buy this machine, pls infirm details

[@computersandgaming6664]

Damn, it's really only for if you have a business then.. that thing is still cool as fuck though.

[@thefireman3930]

I love jfj easy pro

[@leex187]

Can’t you just refill the liquid with something else in the bottle

[@Xeraser2]

Neat, a subscription service for something that just spins a disc around. What the hell?

[@AnalogueOctober]

I was in, until the keycard.

[@xmodsgaming]

Wow 1600 dollars 💵 plus keycard to use the solution. Highway robbery 😅

[@Traveling-VIP]

Can you do game cube games

[@KongKaiju]

My question as wel

[@farknfreakn9316]

Yes there is an adapter that you buy from the firm direct

[@abbasdaddy]

Don't forget to add the value of the non working discs you are able to sell .

[@Sammyplays50]

Holy shit thats expensive

[@uberjewish9466]

That card thing is capitalism at it's finest. Boo.

[@jerryfierro8790]

You over paid. You should’ve bought the JFJ easy pro. That machine is anywhere from $100-$200.

[@InfiniteClouds]

It was trash and they wouldn't take it back until I threatened a chargeback

[@R0ndras]

Yeah that key thing is very anticonsumer and you can basically sue them for this crap and they would lose inmediately. If I were them I would stop doing that, just make like everyone does and claim your solution is the best and others are not proved and might not be secure. Most people will keep buying it.

[@GLRange1]

No frickin' way is that remotely cost effective.

[@garagegeekguy]

Just because you say so? Care to elaborate?

[@GLRange1]

Yes and No.

[@KyleEvans09]

@@GLRange1 he actually breaks down the numbers in the video. It’s pretty hard to catch at first. You may need to watch it a couple times.

[@onireno]

So, no, it isn't worth the price is what I'm hearing.

[@carrizzle9586]

OMG!!! where has the common sense gone as consumers of products. This guy is leasing this cleaner eventhough he paid $1600 for the thing. I would never be beholden to a company that i just paid that much for a device. They're basically robbing him for the cleaning solution and making him buy time catds for the thing to operate. People viewing this video "DON'T BE LIKE THIS GUY!" Spend your money where the company doesnt insist on continuously robbing you.

[@Blasko86]

That key card is BS. Instant deal breaker 👎

[@mets23q]

If you own a video shop its worth it

[@H2VPROEternal]

No thanks and locking the device means the device isn't really for the customer

[@antjamnow1286]

Can I send you a box of video games to be repaired? Scratches...

[@castro7362]

Way to effing much damn.

[@angelaandradeus6290]

Wow nearly $2000 what a great scam it looks to me and looks plastic lol

[@tonygicz8]

I'll just use toothpaste

[@retromojo1]

lol you would never make your money back on that

[@garagegeekguy]

I've cleaned a few thousand discs now, so that is inaccurate.

[@michaelvanbuskirk8845]

"A fool and his money are soon parted."

[@MrAnythingForSelenas]

Everyone has their own hobbies and indulges in their own joys stop judging.