What Is The Right Ammo Choice?

For SPG's ammo choice is very important.
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[@O2MEND]

I have to wonder, if Claus ever wakes up and thinks to himself who am I today? I love how some videos start off as a small french fella and sometimes, well if you have watched Claus for years like I have you understand. Keep it up my northern neighbor!

[@garyhardison9265]

There’s a lot of folks living in that brain 😂

[@papagator7007]

I deleted this game for the third and final time the other day after 14-15 losses in a row, which is totally random according to War Gaming and their Russian number generator, but I still enjoy your no BS videos on both your channels Claus.

[@edgross9874]

The game is more fun if you don't join the winr8 Rollercoaster. Just focus on battle performance. You can do well, even if you lose.

[@papagator7007]

@@edgross9874 I never was part of the win8 crowd. I honestly could care less what it is. But I've had a gut full of War Gaming and their BS RNG/MM and the 2-3 minute blow out games over and over, they aren't getting another second of my time.

[@dkchef]

Cheaper ammo and stun is superior. The role of SPG is to support and block a push. By stunning the enemy you make most hold in place, even if they are 3 enemy to your 1 team player. They will not advance, so an SPG can really impact enemy movement and advance. And it’s fun. If is a player is blacklisted on my team, SPG can choose not to support them. Or if an enemy is blacklisted, you can focus on them. No FUN for You. Hehe.

[@daviddill4419]

@papagator, I feel your pain. Tried to play this game two different time frames and I was never able to progress due to Rofflstomp matches that never allowed you to play and learn. Second go around I was constantly getting nuked by players with 20k plus games played or rerolls. Much more fun to watch Claus and his no BS approach to explaining how WG puts the screws to the regular players. Keep it up Claus, look for your videos every day.

[@scottmorse1798]

have 1 ap for the point blank shot gun shot a few gold for (certain) artys. most arty gold is useless and is a waste of credits and dose nothing to support the team. 29000 arty battles says so.

[@jack-xf6il]

Thanks Claus for occasional SPG day! When they did the change of arty shells I recorded the performance over many games where I rotated shell type, and found that the stun shells were the most reliable. For one thing their splash radius is higher, so you can still damage tanks more reliably even if you miss them, and you can still stun them even if you don't damage them. A good hit may give higher damage with the non-stun shells, but that was counter-balanced by the zero damage misses, so I use almost all stun shells now.

[@JoeSteffy1932]

I use the HE with the big burst radius and longest stun duration. I get lots of stun assist and blind damage from blind shooting the obvious bushes. If the SPG carries enough ammo, I'll load 1 AP shell in case I have to make a last stand shotgun at close range. 😁

[@SimbianMinistry]

4:20 - Yep.. Obj 261 is one of my favourites to play... The no-stun ammo has more pen than the stun variant... and the accuracy of the 261 makes it a viable option - even the AP is a good choice on the 261 (I see he has 2) 330 pen on the AP Higher tier French arties also pretty accurate, so that no-stun and AP are usable. Though I personally always carry 1 or 2 AP in every arty - For close encounters.... - Very satisfying when you can pen a marauding light in the face 😅

[@A01A98745]

Obj 261 with the new crew skills is extremely accurate. I still use the std ammo with higher stun, I feel you have a higher chance of having a good game. Especially when you get a team that knows how to shoot. I play arty when Wargamming RNG decides to screw me with horrible marchmaking. If I start a session with 2 or 3 blowout losses, I switch to arty. I can usually get thru the daily missions faster so I can accumulate Battle Pass points.

[@kevinmckay5052]

hey everyone manaical laughter is back in clauses replays muh ha-ha

[@3rdn7rvr97]

You are correct. Stun assist is the only way to play SPG's. I only use the damage ammo for a daily mission calling for damage. Otherwise, stun stun stun. Though it does piss off teammates. 😆

[@johnathansaegal3156]

17:25 ... I mostly carry the shells with the largest splash and longer stun (the normal ammo). Just as you mentioned a few times, those missed shots using normal shells would have been kill shots. That has been my experience over the years as a dedicated SPG player. Lower alpha, sure, but it's made up for by killing lower hp enemy hiding behind a rock. Hit near the rock and the splash is enough to wipe out the hiding tank and I didn't have to actually hit the tank. I will take lower alpha shells with longer stun and wider splash over the more damage/no stun shells any game of the week. The number of times I have saved my team via killing that sniping tank because my splash withered him away has been more times than I can count, so to speak. Use those shells and forget about loading out with ANY of the AP and bring only a few high alpha shells. The odds you will pen are so low that it's not worth trying to get that extra 200 hp. Hit close enough and the splash will add up, plus a perma-stunned enemy really helps your team (and YOUR xp for assist).

[@vincentwiddershoven2122]

As an Arty player i only use the cheap ammo atm and hope to get enof credits to restock them. But regarding to stun and nonstuned ammo, you are right at the chokepoint point. I mostly aim at targets that my team is fighting to help them out and get most of my xp doing that. With stun and blast ammo you can also flush-out targets that your team cant hit or are triuble hitting. And, most importendly, you can hunt, find and at least stun or blast damage the other artys. 😂😂 Thanks for a nother great SPG video Claus.

[@michaeltalay3556]

You end up spending more credits for those shells as well. As a arty player you wait awhile for that direct hit, whereas you can stun and your teammates do the damage. TEAMWORK!

[@Vic-Bee]

I sold a dozen SPGs after the big nerf, but kept the 261 for its reload speed and accuracy. On the downside, it doesn't have much ammo with low arch and not particularly high dmg. I keep 5-6 for stun dmg situations and all others with more dmg/no stun. Regardless, spgs do little dmg in today's game, even less than scouts like the Manticore, so it's quite difficult to do over 3.5k dmg. This guy did well!

[@Lord_8_1]

Hello Claus, thx, I have a great day. I hope you also have a great bday today... Yeah making 3 or 4 players on a choke point use their first aid kits at the beginning of the battle is huge impact on that choke point because next hit will leave them stunned and easy to kill for team mates...

[@robbyrocksoo]

Let's go through 3 scenario's. In every scenario, we will assume that someone from your team is being rushed, and is brawling an enemy tank, we will assume of the same type, and HP. Scenario 1: You are in an SPG, and you see the brawl, and you want to fire, but you don't want to stun your team mate so you don't 50% chance of your team mate surviving. In the second scenario, the same thing is happening and you have AP loaded so you don't stun your team mate, but seeing as it is a brawl, the enemy tank is constantly moving so you can't hit it, and there is a 50% chance that your team mate will win. In the third scenario you have HE loaded, you fire at the enemy but miss, but you still stun him, and you have a good chance of damaging him also. So now your team mate may be stunned as well, but he still has all his HP, and enemy tank doesn't. Now your team mate has the advantage as he has more HP than the enemy. I think that all these people that throw tantrums when their own arty stuns them are crazy, because the arty is really helping them win the brawl, but they just don't realize it, even though they are literally watching the enemies HP drop in front of their eyes.

[@parrotyee]

In my FV3805 with the middle gun: * __ x Stunning HE * 3 x Regular HE * 4 x Regular AP

[@tmanimal]

When playing SPGs, I only carry about 5 non-stun rounds for those situations where a team mate is in close proximity to an enemy and I don't want to stun my team mate... Other than that, stun ammo all the way...

[@HeinzGuderian_]

GM Clausians. I carry 1 AP shell, 25-33% Premium HE, and the rest regular HE in all of my arties. Iuse the highest RoF gun. Slamming rounds downrange works better than the occasional shot.

[@mikewilson3169]

That was a sorta decent Jingles impersonation. Though, you should have started with "Howdy folks..." The truth is, however, I don't want you to be Jingles, and I don't want Jingles to be you. I love you both, for your own personalities and quirks, and watch you both day in and day out. And I don't even play WOT, never have. Just keep on keepin' on.

[@chucksydlo776]

I don't believe the Obj 261 has lowest trajectory. I believe that distinction belongs to the French. Both tier 10s have 45 degrees listed as their highest gun elevation even though the animations show the guns going almost vertical. Since the gun elevations are listed as same, the way to determine which shoots higher can be inferred from data we do have access to. The one that can shoot longer distance is the one that does shoot higher as well. At least that how the math should work. It doesn't mean that WG actually did that.

[@johnathansaegal3156]

With the Obj. 261, the "stunning" shells are 800 damage, but you get the xp for assisted damage and I often have one of my loadouts 20 HE stun shells and nothing else (depending if I'm going for xp or damage). but those HE 1,000 damage shells do rack up damage pretty fast as the "Russian hot knife through butter" code seems to pen more than other nationalities do. The map on the first game is one of the worst for that SPG due to it being half the size of a postage stamp and there's a giant mountain in the way, or city buildings to block flat-shooting SPG shells. A mechanic WG needs to have is if a tier 7 or greater arty shell hits a building, part of the building (even if brick or concrete) is able to be destructible. Come on, hit a brick wall with three 155mm or greater high explosive shells and it should be knocked down completely.

[@akeandersson6618]

Thank you!

[@paulfountain1364]

Not all Tech trees are equal. Some are much more susceptible to Arty damage. Stun is often theoretical these days. Soon removed by equipment/skill. Again subject to nation prejudice. If you look at ammo prices, premium is only 10% ish more. I play 19/1/0 in my 261, for all the reasons you suggest. Whilst I have a good W8, I've only 1 Mark ;)

[@martinvezina9452]

I mostly play spg and i like the splash shell better too. I did a game with more than 4000 dmg last week with the b-c 58 and with some stun assists. You can do the damage too.

[@brealistic3542]

Stunning ammo is far better. All very good spg players know this. In fact regular players prefer non stunning rounds. One is never frozen getting hit by a non stunning shot.

[@stevenpage9269]

Thanks for this. Using HE is also more valuable for the team as a whole, i think. Question - which ammo is best for the leaf blower? What's the most popular choice?

[@billsanders5869]

stunning ammo always gets half the max or less

[@jeffms5068]

Hey Claus - Primarily as a TD player and especially in my Tier VIII favorites - Skorp & SU-130MP - I hate arty with extensive splash damage radius because the open cockpit nature of both makes them particularly susceptible to splash damage. A direct hit will hurt regardless, but that large splash decimates these TDs.

[@jgold2813]

HE BETTER IF YA HAVE GOOD TEAM THAT WILL SHOOT BUT MORE then 1/2 the time stuns dont get shot, some wont shoot a stun tank,so they get all the exp i do carry more of the High pin then i used to about 5 to 7 and 1 or 2 ap or heat for end game or rush scouts, few shot he at a heavy with only few HP left and mostly just get a tiny part of damage yet lots of good shots that do nothing but stun

[@Dreatnought1966]

Min 3:00 the EBR maybe use an cheater Mod called Warpack, with this you can see the Arty , name, aiming direction and rld time. The tank is for them visable in yellow. Very much used on the EU server.

[@wildgooseman7047]

Will use stun HE, rarely carry other ammo types if the max number of shells is low. Give 2 bites of the cherry. There is a channel, WoT Arty Noobs, that show a lot of arty replays. Certainly noticeable watching those that the stun assist, plus the chance of getting a confederate, will see a lot of Ace and 1st class awards.

[@stephenbennett9427]

Happy algorithm comment

[@ElijahRoks]

I only use stun ammo if I'm bottom tier on a small city map. I have 3 arty I would have 3 marked already if I used stun more. But I love hitting them harder instead.

[@geeussery8849]

Agreed Claus!

[@emmaeltringham91]

My 261 has a load out of 12-6-2. It has an aim time/accuracy just slightly worse than a KV2

[@johncodmore]

I think WG need to loook at how xp is earned by arty. We have a bad enough reputation, but stunning mechanic makes us leeches. Our stun xp is taken away from players who are doing the brawling and it makes me feel bad. Also at mid tiers/end of game I have seen players holding fire, waiting for the stun to wear off so they can get full XP.

[@russwoodward8251]

I occasionally play an SPG but enjoy it more when you feature an SPG game. I know about 10% of what I should have learned from watching you feature games. Go figure. But I retain even less on the SPG games because they seem more enjoyable to watch. Hm.

[@dkchef]

Are you going to review the new Recon mode with fog and rain, reduced visibility and no spotting?

[@A01A98745]

Maybe if Premium Ammo avoider decides to try it out. 😉

[@unbelievablegoodio7176]

@@A01A98745 In Recon I run the Grille 15 as the most successful tank ever since 4 years, in this mode with over 5500 damage at 5 kills, and permanent over 2000 damage, and survive and make even lots of credits, and that with silver AP only!!. No other tier ten tank I have comes even near that in this mode, 62% victories over 18 battles. My secret was playing the border to the zones. In any normal battle I drive only losses with the Grille 15, 40% or less victories and 80% dead. Recon added a new feature which only Skil4 mentioned: The invisibility middle in the map near the zone border, funny to play but totally unrealistic bonkers. All other tubers you can forget, they didn't even figure that, and so most players. That's why I was so good in that mode, not because of suddenly a good tank or ammo, that never changed.

[@AlaskanRNFL]

"Armor not hit" so if you think about it, then the armor didn't do its job and the tank was penatrated. 🤔

[@domberry1502]

The second video was from the same player as the first :)

[@hjorte.]

7:36 "Same guy"

[@rustynail6363]

Perma stunning heavies! Your some sadistic barsteward :))

[@bellimissar]

for to say hello Claus!

[@michaelwalk5504]

I love SPG day!!

[@danielklobucaric902]

u know thats the second game is the same guy like in the first game,have a god day

[@villesorjonen5779]

One shot one kill is so tempting lower damage pfff!!!! 😂😂😂

[@flukeman022]

BZ176 hits me for 500/600 dmg when i play my T8 HT. A couple of days ago, a BZ176 hits me zero in my Skorpion! It was nice I bounced on my paper thin armour, but it infuriates me it happens, WG RNG is awful!

[@RickSabins]

I'm not a regular arty player but I prefer splash damage

[@dougc3196]

arent there missions for arty that require high damage?

[@unbelievablegoodio7176]

Claus, you did not answer completely your question in the headline. The correct answer first is GOLD. Not any of the three offered ammo, no, it needs this 3 ammo which is to get by spending gold only. Just the cost result shows that the first battle was a gold spammer. There is no way to achieve such damages with standard silver ammo. The next point is you not telling the viewers which crew they have. You think a 4 skill crew can do that? Low skilled crews never hit accurate, you hit only 120% perfect if the enemy tank dies before your round is there, ping, rng switched off. Forget that hit guaranty, it needs either half a century to grind a full skilled crew, or again gold to purchase a better one, including food rations for every battle etc., money makes higher damage. That pay also makes a better rng. Then, as you say right, what is the point to make high damage and then a team looses because the spg was not supporting the team, not even shooting on tanks which where troubling the team, no, just make useless stats. Battle lost. Nobody can win anything with stats.

[@gabanjoman]

777th woohoo Also Claus,i thought you played tier 9 Brit Arty , with little pp,and stun shells,btw ,its great fun 😂 Thanks Claus Kellerman Show 🎸🎸💯

[@jezreelhechanova735]

what?! no intro? 😂

[@edgross9874]

Claus, please make a video about the ammo types for .not SPG

[@Dreatnought1966]

Claus always talks about a Russian game, it can't be WoT because it comes from Minsk, Belarus. Holland is not Germany either.

[@andrewduke1489]

First battle - Russian math. It says he got 51,591 credits on the result page but in the detail page he got 34,394 credits. I’m confused and I made sure I carried the 3 😮

[@mathieulapointe1207]

❤❤❤❤❤ algorithm stuff😊

[@hansvanhemert845]

I dont now😮😊

[@springfield4522]

I dont play the spgs, too long of a wait to reload for me.

[@cb3391]

☕👍

[@cb3391]

My point Wargames on fly rules modifications....that is cheating players. Jmno b.s. o.

[@cb3391]

Txweirdo pos cheating wargames bot

[@cb3391]

Tierxwierdo, cheating trolling Wargames pl wargames player

[@scewston420]

Meh same arty both times I’ve seen enough lol

[@haitesalexandru4355]

Both games have the same loadout because is the same guy 😅 , check the names

[@perseidenstrom]

Why should a tier 10 arty care about XP ? He probably already has a great crew and does not need more xp on his vehicle to get a better gun ir research another higher vehicle. So go for the damage. Why ? Because of WN8. Wn8 gives a shit about stun assist and your in game XP. The only thing that counts is damage done. If i play a low tier SPG i might be interested in XP. But tier 10 ? And you said it yourself. The shell velocity on the russian tier 10 SPGs in this game was so high that there was no chance for the Heavies and mediums to move into safety. They probably havent even noticed that there is an incoming shell before it hit them. Your advice may be interesting for low tier SPGs, but i am not sure if there is good "no splash" ammo available for them at all. anyway. I have news for you guys who want to take a break from World of tanks for a few months: Check your emails. I played my last game about 5-6 months ago and i got an email about 3 weeks ago that Wargaming is cleaning out their player lists fron "inactive players that have not played for 10 years" ... Ridicoulous that i got this email because i still was very active about 4 years ago. And as i said I Loaded the whole stupidly big 60 gb of this game again a few months ago and played a few rounds. I have to say that i had over 200 million credits on this account. I had nearly every tech tree maxed out and also about 30-40 premium tanks although most of them were reward tanks. Including of course a death star. well i did not check my wargaming emails so on the 7. of november i found out that they deleted my whole account with all my bonds and resources and all my collected pixel tanks. About 6-7 years of playing world of tanks with all the progress and success i had deleted ! Thanks wargaming for nothing 🤣 What a shit company.. so this is how they want to make even more money now !! The delete successful accounts that have not played for 3-4 months and then send them a message saying: Please notice that you can always make a new account ansd start it all over again 😂😂 FU wargaming.. of course not .. What a scam this company is.. anyway .. so if you still want to keep your accounts (even if you just want to look at it from time to time) be aware of that and check your emails. Wargaming is on a deleting mission because they want you to start this game again from scratch and give them more of your lifetime and money. Yes for some reason it did hurt that all my pixel tanks are gone now. On the other hand.. well i dont care very much. Because i wasnt interested in playing this game anymore.. it is a big rip off and it is and always was bad for my health.

[@2tone209]

AY UP CLAUS

[@generalpublic3744]

WG are not going to bring back the "one shot," because why let players have fun when you can make the game as mundane as profits will allow. So SPG players are stuck with stun for all but the most accurate self propelled gun. I state accurate, but we know they are not. If you want accuracy then play a sniper tank.

[@dogrudiyosun]

Uninstall.

[@jeffreygardner2839]

He's aiming way to short

[@greyjedi3484]

mighty jingles

[@1989Falkor]

SPG once a week! wtf man Unsubbing Take care

[@stevewebster5729]

What you are failing to realise Claus, is that the correct ammo for an SPG is one that does nothing - no damage, no stun, nothing... go on, tell me I'm wrong... 😀

[@unbelievablegoodio7176]

you must be one of the camper

[@stevewebster5729]

@unbelievablegoodio7176 sounds as though you're a clicker sympathiser... 😀

[@TheBigCat2001]

Meh

[@bmw3401]

Ordinary promotion from WOT tips !! (Haha 3-6-8000 Damage) you don't get 1/4th of what you see here in real game!!! These bastards have a modified mod for promotions to see they are still in the top ranks, what he shoots is a hit!! if a tank hits him.. then a rebound... I guarantee that you won't have it that way!! and it will be the opposite on mil. % and besides... don't buy premium or premium tanks!!! it's useless anyway, the server determines the damage,,..determines victory and defeat .. If you upload min Damage to the opponent, the server will automatically flip and give Victory/ if High damage to the opponent - it is automatically Defeat.. You have a tank of 8 levels and you are approximately at the bottom of the team or on the bottom team composition, stacked from level 10 = It's automatically a win because you have no chance to shoot down Level 10 that is: min. damage = victory.!!! If you are on the highest rungs in the lineup, e.g. team level 8 to level 6 , Automatically = high damage to the opponent and you automatically = Defeat!! Server. BLOCKS....visibility, enemy detections, opponent damage, you can just do whatever you want :D !! it's wasted money!! You actually have more losses than wins in the game!! Ask yourself another question.. how many times have you recorded what you see here? (it's easy to play if you're an admin with a good game mode!), and this thieving company gives replays like this every day ... they're just lying to you and fooling you it's a great game, waiting for you to adjust the game mode to the minimum so that you can put real money into it!! Also note that they offer only premium or 10 level tanks, where you have huge losses in the game even during premium, especially if you use gold-i (premium cartridges)!!! , for 1 battle minus up to 8-20,000 cash... if not more... wt.

[@carlvondrunker7855]

SPG players aren't real people

[@alexanderstoyanov7464]

They are humans too, only sub-humans ;)

[@jameslanning8405]

I hate arty... Ruins a good tank battle.