What is the "Septuagint"...and which one should you read?

In this episode we are taking a look at the Septuagint, aka. the LXX, and the various versions it is available in.
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[@LovelySoulofARiverRose]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Everytime I move forward in my walk… there you are with the tools ⚒️ …God bless you for being obedient

[@longforgotten4823]

The first time I was exposed to this was in my undergraduate history of Christianity course. My mentor and academic history is an eastern orthodox deacon part of the Serbian orthodox church in the United States. This was eye-opening to the vast majority of his students, whether they were protestant, Catholic, atheists, whatever.

[@patriciamchenry]

Thanks so much. Good information. From my studies, I think overall, the Septuagint is more accurate than the Masoretic.

[@fivefingerfullprice3403]

No it isn't, there are major errors in the Septuagint. I don't know what studies you're talking about but they even added over 1800 years to the dates in Genesis because they were competing with the corrupt Egyptians who added a 1000 years to their history to fool the Greeks. The whole reason for the false Amillennial doctrine is because they thought they hit the 6000 year mark 200 years after Christ because they were all reading the Septuagint.

[@wereldatlas]

The Lexham version even has the book of Enoch, I like that one very much.

[@AVKingJamesBible]

🤦‍♂️

[@zemestukami4189]

​@@AVKingJamesBiblehehe

[@johnoconnor3880]

Finally a comparison of LXX versions...a discussion on this subject is long over -due...thank-you very much!...jo'c

[@douglasvalerioti8764]

The rabbi’s changed the Old Testament in about the 10 century not to reflect the more accurate LXX rendering of the prophecies of Christ. That’s why the Eastern Orthodox Church still uses the more accurate and ancient version of the Old Testament used in the time of Christ.

[@DiscipleDojo]

There's not much textual evidence for that claim, though.

[@bjf9304]

@@DiscipleDojo aside from the LXX lining up perfectly with the Dead Sea Scrolls available and much of the Ancient Hebrew being lost. I would go with the LXX

[@SAMBUT]

​@bjf9304 ...and that the NT writers quoting from it - only re Vaticanus I am not overly convinced, but maybe it's OT text is ok, because its NT has the Alexandrian text which is controversial to say the least

[@TheSeptuagint]

@@DiscipleDojoShalom, this is what I aim to prove with my Septuagint focused channel.

[@jperez7893]

@@DiscipleDojothere is a lot of textual evidence that the jews tampered with the text from the beginning. Justin martyr is one of the critics of the jews. Aquila and theodotion also tampered with the text

[@pattube]

The little book from Crossway titled The Septuagint: What It Is and Why It Matters by Gregory Lanier (PhD, University of Cambridge) and Ross William (PhD, University of Cambridge) is a great introduction to the Septuagint. 😊

[@DiscipleDojo]

Ross William or William Ross?

[@pattube]

@@DiscipleDojo Oops sorry, just googled, it's William Ross. I must've misremembered!

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@pattube he is a really nice guy. I've had Shabbat dinner with him, as he lives here in Charlotte and we have mutual friends. I hope to have him on someday. :-)

[@dondgc2298]

@@pattubethanks for the reference to the book - I just ordered a copy!

[@EthanPatterson4321]

It would be nice to have the original Hebrew but currently, I would trust the LXX over the masoretic OT.

[@DiscipleDojo]

The DSS should be factored in, as they go back to the first century.

[@EthanPatterson4321]

@@DiscipleDojo I haven't studied them but I've read people claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls agree more with the LXX than the masoretic text, have you found that to be true? Another good video idea similar to this one would be to compare the different translations of the Desd Sea Scrolls.

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@EthanPatterson4321 the DSS show that the Masoretic text is astonishingly well-preserved and not "corrupt" like many claimed it to be. It's not perfect, and there are examples where the LXX likely preserves the original reading (such as Goliath's height, as mentioned in this video). So I think it is a mistake to give the LXX priority over the MT automatically. I think both should be assessed along with the DSS and other Greek versions on a case-by-case basis.

[@timmoleft7147]

@@DiscipleDojo I haven't watched your video yet but I'm going to reply to this: The Masoretic 'chops' off 100 years (compared to the Septuagint) from each of the ages of the Patriarchs in Genesis. The Septuagint numbers are definitely much more realistic to the life-spans at that time which makes the Masoretic an absolute joke, in my opinion. It's from the Masoretic numbers that the belief that Melchizedek may have been Shem himself (which is absolute nonsense). The Septuagint numbers show that Shem was dead before Abram (who then became Abraham) was born.

[@truthhitman7473]

​@@DiscipleDojo Which version of Isaiah 9:6 is more accurate, the Septuagint or the Masoretic text ?

[@Diggum1166]

Once again this is a very good video. I am not a reader of the Greek text but the information was good to know. Which brings me to a question. How should one as myself use the English translations of the LXX? Are they just translations to be used like say the NASB? Should you get both the NETS and the Lexham for comparison? Anyway that was a great presentation of something I’ve been familiar with but had no knowledge of so thank you. Sorry for the long comment.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Yes, I would consult it like another translation...but give it a little more weight than you might otherwise if you come across a significant difference.

[@TedBruckner]

A New English Translation of the Septuagint and the Other Greek Translations Traditionally Included Under that Title (abbreviated as NETS) is Masoretic Text in a Septuagint dress. Here’s an excerpt from TO THE READER OF NETS : “Since NETS has been based, however, upon the New Revised Standard Version (1989), it’s character can be said to derive, in part at least, from the NRSV.” I have made lots of verse comparisons and see that NETS does make lots of very good translations but is not faithful to the Septuagint where it counts but reads as the Masoretic Text does instead.

[@nics8040]

I still don’t know why we don’t include the apocrypha if it’s included in the Septuagint text and that was what Jesus apparently read. Thanks for any help.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Jesus never quoted any of the Apochryphal books and the LXX was itself in flux rather than a single bound collection of books.

[@nics8040]

@@DiscipleDojo thanks for the fast response! It seems like there are several books in the OT the Jesus didn’t quote. I am Protestant and my wife posed this question to me and I still don’t have a good answer. If Jesus was using LXX, I assume he would have seen the Apocrypha included. Wouldn’t he say this is false if it was? Also, are you saying at that point, the Septuagint was multiple volumes and not one complete text? Thanks!

[@JohnDo-w4m]

​@@nics8040 Every book was individual, the Bible is a library of different books. The apocrypha was also translated into Greek but that doesn't mean it's inspired or that Jesus saw it as such just because he quoted from the translations of the canon books. Hope that helps.

[@polodude19]

@@DiscipleDojo correct, Jesus didn’t, but Paul most certainly did. Are we to discount all the times Paul pulled from the apocryphal books? There are many Old Testament books Jesus did not quote from, are they any less significant? I think you are omitting the importance of the apocryphal book’s contribution to the New Testament. Why?

[@nics8040]

@@polodude19can you give me examples where Paul quoted it? I’m still struggling understanding. Thanks

[@GregVasquez777]

Thanks. Great video. Has anyone translated Alexandrinus in the diplomatic approach or by itself?

[@hartmutdewet7163]

The Septuagint has been written about 150 BC when only two Israelite tribes remained/existed (the ten other tribes never returned to Jerusalem from Babylon and were missing/lost). So how come "6 men from each of the 12 tribes " be chosen to perform the translations? False teachings right from the start?

[@timtherrien7843]

Even from a simple reading of the New Testament it is clear that the "lost tribes" were not "lost" and it was known who and where they were.

[@AJourneyToEternity412]

I have the 1952 edition of Rahlfs; I love old books...

[@JamesDavis-dn3wo]

You do realize that OT Hebrew is not the same as Modern Hebrew. It sounds different, and the words are different. Apart from the problems of vocabulary and grammar, there is a stylistic problem and a cultural problem. Some of the OT is written in a literary style that would make it a difficult read even if it were in modern Hebrew.

[@MatthewMcknight]

This is awesome! Thanks for doing these comparisons altogether JM! I used the NETS in my last read/study through the OT. I learned a lot about LXX’s textual variants and wording differences doing that. While I love the academic rigor, I wish there was more systemic translation of certain words across the books translated by different scholars. Also has some awkward attempts I think to make the wording sound more academic than what the word meant more literally, such as “pity” instead of “mercy”, “divine spirit” instead of “spirit of God,” and “sky” instead of “heaven” in certain places. But still incredibly useful version of the LXX.

[@TedBruckner]

Christ is Risen! A New English Translation of the Septuagint and the Other Greek Translations Traditionally Included Under that Title (abbreviated as NETS) is Masoretic Text in a Septuagint dress. Here’s an excerpt from it's TO THE READER OF NETS : “Since NETS has been based, however, upon the New Revised Standard Version (1989), it’s character can be said to derive, in part at least, from the NRSV.” I have made enough verse comparisons in it to see where it counts it reads as the Masoretic Text does instead: it's those "Other Greek Translations Traditionally Included Under that Title" that give the producers the right to make it a Masoretic Text in a Septuagint dress. But as those "Other Greek Translations Traditionally Included Under that Title" strove to make better Greek translations, where the NETS does translate the Greek, it excels other English editions.

[@Tracy-Inches]

Masoretic is 8th century right?

[@byzantinehoplites]

You made the assumption at 3:06 that the Original Hebrew texts were written in Hebrew. There was a good reason for why the Septuagint was compiled. The Hebrews spoke Greek in Alexandria. It is very likely the Original Texts included Greek texts.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Only some of the Apochryphal books may have originally written in Greek, not any of the Tanakh.

[@byzantinehoplites]

@@DiscipleDojo I am interested to know your reasoning. From what I know, the Septuagint was the first Tanakh ie compilation of texts.

[@ml5554]

Bought Brenton's though, more then about 12 years ago. Yes it is old english but compact with everything on one page and looks nice on the shelve i think.

[@kelvinpoetra]

English that uses " thou art", "yea" is very difficult to understand because it is similar to the King James Bible; how to understand words in modern English?

[@HRGM333]

Great video thank you

[@cpnlsn88]

Thank you for this. Hleful.

[@waynehumber8906]

Very good intro

[@StudioGalvan]

I'M SORRY I ASKED! 😅 🧐 So textual criticism of the Hebrew scripture is as involved as that of the New Testament! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@trenttrent3228]

Where is the document of the Hebrew Scriptures where is the evidence of any of the characters mentioned in the bible? There seems to be none. The closest seems to be Greek. I think Israel is more inspired by Greeks and even in some cases the Greeks have colonies in the region from the Bronze Age and ruled the region. Hebrew might be a lot more of a modern concept.

[@Outrjs]

You should read none of them. Read your King James. Get the body going, 1 Corinthians 12,13,14. Model the service after 1 Corinthians 14:26. Stop giving these people money. Watch the false teachers, prophets, and fake service disappear. Revival comes only when the body becomes the body.

[@cmconcon]

Why was the OT re-ordered from the Jewish text?

[@DiscipleDojo]

Other than the Torah, the OT books never had a set order. They appear in different orders even in Hebrew collections.

[@cmconcon]

Thank you, who/when was the order set for the Tanakh as it is today?

[@davidszaraz4605]

None of them is actually a pure LXX collection. A true LXX has the book of Daniel also in the LXX version, but these have in Theodotion's version.

[@DiscipleDojo]

They will be devastated to learn this, I'm sure.

[@davidszaraz4605]

@@DiscipleDojo who?

[@parson8582]

Well Done!

[@e.m.8094]

NETS Septuagint added to cart! 🙌 Edit: Guess I need to get the Lexham version as well after hearing the names of its contributors. 👍

[@DoyleQueena-n2f]

Martin Shirley Williams Donna Garcia Laura

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@DoyleQueena-n2f huh?

[@GrammyGottaGo]

Aye my residing in the Lord’s house shall be the length of days

[@jaunasirds]

you mean that septuagint that has errors in it?

[@kathismatastic]

Short-sighted of God to only inspire the original.

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@kathismatastic I think God knows what He's doing.

[@cathys465]

How could the 72 tribal Jews return to "Palestine" in the first century BC when the region was never called "Palestine until the Second century CE? THUMB DOWN and NOT SUBSCRIBING.😜

[@DiscipleDojo]

Of all the reasons not to subscribe...that is possibly the dumbest I've ever heard.

[@residuejunkie4321]

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[@deprogrammershepherd1234]

💯🎯Praise YHWH!

[@vinoneil]

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[@DiscipleDojo]

"Even the Dead Sea Scrolls have been changed!" No. No they have not. Please don't spam post nonsense couched in pious language.

[@residuejunkie4321]

​@@DiscipleDojo*LOL, there are 16 films in my playlist on Isaiah 11:6 made by 7 other real Christians who know God's word that could easily prove you don't know what you are talking about **_IN ANY COURT OF LAW ON EARTH_* *Now either obey God's commandment to ''prove all things'' and investigate this or stand at the Gate crying with all the other tares as Jesus makes you listen before sending you all on your way.*

[@Church888]

Why adr you gay?

[@residuejunkie4321]

*The King James bible **_was_** at one time a literary masterpiece without blemish. There were no spelling, grammar or punctuation errors in it. I have a short film in my playlist on how that was accomplished. Now, they're on every page! Satan has **_supernaturally_** attacked it more than any other translation, but all of them in every language have been destroyed in the fulfillment of prophecy! Plus all concordances, encyclopedias, dictionaries, history books, the original manuscripts and the Dead Sea scrolls have been miraculously changed!* *Not every word, Satan is too smart for that and he understands that rats won't eat pure poison so .05% is added to 99.95% corn and the rats love it... and perish for lack of knowlege!* *Our Father said to "prove all things" and you better obey Him on this thing especially. I have an exceptional memory, I can draw an accurate picture of my baby stroller. I'm 71, was saved when I was 10 and **_had been_** reading only the **_exact same copy_** of the King James bible since 1961. (I am not a king James onlyist, but now I'm glad I never read any others or I might not have noticed the changes as soon.) I memorized many scriptures out of it over the years and I absolutely **_know_** that the word **_demons_** used to be all through it. But today that word is not anywhere in there! It was replaced with **_devils._** And the only place I've ever read the word **_wineskins_** was in my bible, but it's not in it any more either. It was replaced with **_bottles._** And now **_unicorns, easter, matrix, castles, damsels, stuff, corn, colleges, banks, employment, schools, missles, tires, mufflers, manifolds, engines, highways, suburbs, pavement, presidents, doctors, pilots, sheriffs, beer, dumb ass, India, Spain, Italy, ferryboats, couches_** and lots of other words are in my bible that I never saw in it my whole life! Many of these words are anachronisms (they didn't even exist in 1611!) It never talked about men with milk in their breasts nursing babies either, but now it does! Isaiah 11:6 used to say the **_lion_** shall lie down with the lamb, not the **_wolf_** shall also dwell with the lamb! Lion represents Jesus and wolf is associated with Satan! The first 14 films in my playlist will show you plenty of undeniable "residue" (proof of what **_was_** that Satan missed) on that verse. Luke 17:34 used to say "two shall be in one bed, one shall be taken and the other one left", but now it says "two **_men_** shall be in one bed...! And the following verse said "two women shall be grinding at the mill together..." and now it just says "two women shall be **_grinding together_** ...! So now the bible makes it sound like some homosexuals are going to be ''raptured"! **_BTW the tribulation is 3 1/2 years, Jesus comes back immediately after just like He said and then God's Wrath comes after Jesus' return._* But *this is the BIGGIE,* in Luke 19:27 it has Jesus saying "And those mine enemies that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and *SLAY THEM BEFORE ME!"* It did say _eshew_ them away! This change makes Christians sound like radical extremists!! *Millions of Christians will be killed because of this verse!!!* And I know that this is a parable, but the king Jesus was talking about was Himself, the King of Kings! The film titled 'What is the Strong Delusion by Truth Shock TV which is in my playlist, it is probably the most important video most of you have ever seen. (It has Chuck Missler and Chuck Lawson in it too.) *I memorized the Lord's prayer as a boy because Jesus told us to say it, and I have said it tens of thousands of times, and it absolutely did not say **_which_** art in heaven, it said **_who_** art in heaven, it didn't say **_in earth,_** it was **_on earth._** And it now says forgive us our **_debts_** instead of our **_trespasses!!!_* *God has sent His strong delusion to all of the people that never received the love of the truth! What's scary is, so far that appears to be almost all believers! This incredible phenomenon they're calling the Mandela effect is absolutely real, but it should actually be called the Daniel 7:25 effect because that's where God said He would give the Antichrist power to do this, (''change times and laws''). I first became aware of some of the bible changes in 2014 before I ever had a computer or had heard of the Mandela effect. But since 2016 I've watched many hundreds of videos on the subject, and saved some of the best and most important ones for proving your bible has been changed and pointing out all the places this was talked about in end time prophecies that we had previously misinterpreted in my playlist which you can see by 👉 typing into KZbin (PROOF OF BIBLE CHANGE RESIDUE JUNKIE)* 👈 *Even though I will no longer read any bible, mine gives me the creeps just looking at it like a Ouija board or something, I continue to study God's true written word by seeing what scriptures have been changed with proof of what was originally written. I urge you all to do the same, while you still can, because when the lights go out, all we'll have then is hard copies of the bible Satan wants us reading! At that point Amos **8:12** will be fulfilled where it says we will no longer be able to find His words anywhere again.* *This is without question the biggest and most important event since the day of Pentecost! 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[@DiscipleDojo]

This is utter nonsense. Please don't spam my channel with it.

[@residuejunkie4321]

​@@DiscipleDojo *You were warned and provided with a mountain of overwhelming proof, remember me in a few days as you're standing at the Gate crying when Jesus tells you that He "knows you not" before sending you on your way kid.* 🐷👋🔥

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@residuejunkie4321warnings from false teachers don't concern me. 🤷

[@rhwinner]

You are of course aware that King James had a fetish for young boys, right? Just saying.

[@donaldmckay2722]

It included the entire "Apocrypha" (I own a copy), which puts even more weight on your "without blemish" description.

[@mediocreman561]

The dead sea scrolls are closer to the Septuagint.

[@brock2443]

As is the Latin Vulgate.

[@mediocreman561]

@@brock2443 Um, no. As a matter of fact, Jerome, who compiled the Hexpola by gathering different variants of the Greek scriptures of the Jewish books (the Hebrew language ceased to be used around 580 BC and the Jews used the Greek scriptures until the rise of Christianity, where the Jews used a doctored Hebrew text to refute the Messiah-ship of Jesus) was chided, questioned, and rebuked by Augustine in a correspondence letter now titled the city of god, as to why he suddenly switched from using the Greek texts, which were a standard to the Masorete's text and why he didn't research the text as much as he did the Greek when translating it to the Latin. The Samaritan Pentateuch and the dead sea scrolls show that the Greek is closer to the earlier copies and that the Masoretic text is vastly different.

[@mikemkstR]

Probably because it was an attempt to translate the Septuagint to Hebrew.🤷

[@shawnbrewer7]

The Orthodox Study Bible also has new translations of the Deuterocanon books. As well as the other features.

[@Cielo1995]

Excited to hear this one. I have The Researchers Library of Ancient Text 1851 Translation by Sir Lancelot C.L Brenton. I have been studying Greek for 2 years to be able to read The Septuagint in Greek.

[@ArleneAdkinsZell]

That's the same one I use, such a help.

[@bayfokbalg4746]

Are you able to read it clearly now?

[@Cielo1995]

@@bayfokbalg4746 Yes I can :)

[@PhillipOnWater]

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[@cassidyanderson3722]

Considering that the scholarly consensus maintains that the overwhelming majority of OT quotes made by Christ and the writers of the NT are from the Septuagint, why wouldn’t Christians use it rather than the Masoteric text? I’m not advocating A Septuagint-only approach, but the prophecies re: the Messiah found in the Septuagint version of Isaiah, for example, are much more consistent with the Christian interpretation of those passages than what we see in the Masoteric. And, if it is the version used by Christ, why shouldn’t it be the version used by us. Thanks for a very interesting and well researched video. I believe this is a more important issue than most people take it for.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Most, but not all come from the LXX. So it's not an either/or, but a both/and. The NT was written in Greek, but Jesus spoke (and read from) the Hebrew...such as when he "unrolled the scroll" of Isaiah. The LXX is always 1-step removed from what the original Inspired Scriptures Jesus read from and prayed are. We must never lose sight of that.

[@cassidyanderson3722]

@@DiscipleDojo Is the Masoretic text not equally one step away? I mean, we don’t have the original, so everything we have is at least one step away. Also, is it fair to conclude that Christ was reading the Masoretic text simply because he unrolled it? Would LLX used in the temple not have also been a scroll? If I remember my history, first century Jews living in Palestine were thoroughly Hellenized Alexandrian Jews, so it only makes sense that they would be using the LLX. And to your first point, isn’t saying that “most” quotes are from the LLX less accurate than saying the “overwhelming majority?” It’s been a while since I studied this topic, so I could be mistaken - but I’m quite certain that I’m not. Thanks for interacting. I watch most of your vids but rarely comment.

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@cassidyanderson3722 no, the LXX would not have been used in the Temple, and probably not in Judean or Galilean synagogues. The Hebrew and Targumim would have been. The MT is a transcription, not a translation. So when I say the LXX is one step removed, I'm talking about linguistically. The LXX is a translation and the translators had to decide how to present the text in a different language. The MT (and DSS) didn't involve interpretation into another language. The just had to focus on accurately copying the Hebrew texts they were working from.

[@cassidyanderson3722]

@@DiscipleDojo Interesting. Why do you think Christ and the other NT writers quote from the LLX? And, similarly, why was the preferred text of the early Church (and still the preferred text in those locales in which the faith first appeared)?

[@richardvoogd3012]

​@@cassidyanderson3722That Christ and the Biblical writers used the LXX is an idea I was introduced to in appendix to a Good News Bible (a.k.a. TEV) back in the early 1990s. I might be mistaken, but the minimal research I've done suggests that some of debate over the way the RSV translated Isaiah 7:14 could have its origins in the differences.

[@JESUS_Saves3747]

The NT match with the LXX more than the MT Exemple: Heb 1:7-8: ⁷ And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. ⁸ But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. The MT hasn't it but the lxx have it in psalm Psa 45:6: LXX ⁶ Thy throne, God, is forever and ever; the sceptre of thy kingdom is a sceptre of rectitude. Another one; Jam 4:6: ⁶ It granteth indeed a greater favour, therefore it saith, "God resisteth the proud, and granteth favour to the humble." In the MT; Prov 3:34: (KJV) ³⁴ Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly. In the LXX; Pro 3:34: ³⁴ The Lord resisteth the proud; but he granteth favour to the humble. And so on...

[@davidch880]

I would tend to regard the Letter of Aristeas as a reliable historical document rather than a fake document. It is a known fact that Rabbi Akiva Ben Josepf (c. 50 - 135AD) rewrote the Hebrew scriptures from memory after the original Temple scrolls were destroyed along with the Jerusalem temple in 70AD. It is a known fact that he and his scribes altered some of the texts to suit their Pharisaic beliefs (eg: removing 100 years each from the begetting ages of the postdiluvian patriarchs from and including Arphaxad to Serug) to support their claim that Mechizideck was none other than Shem, the son of Noah.) among other things. This is confirmed by the Alexandrian LXX, The Samaritan Pentateuch, The Peschetta and the writings of Josephus. These altered Hebrew scriptures (altered c. 95 - 100AD, from the original Temple scrolls content) became what we now refer to as the Masoretic Texts, the Aleppo and Leningrad codices. Akiva also made it his business to destroy any copies of the earlier Hebrew temple scrolls that he could find, and had his top student Aquilla of Sinope rewrite the LXX in Greek (c. 126AD) to support his version of the Hebrew scriptures, Oh what a nasty web we weave etc, etc.

[@donnavanmaanen1110]

I appreciate the overview! I have the Orthodox Study Bible. G. K. Beale uses the LXX in some of his work so I became more interested through him but I haven’t had this kind of explanation..

[@freethinker9210]

Thank you, JM. I've been considering buying a copy of one of the three English versions of the XLL. The overviews you shared have helped clarify which way I'll go.

[@Theos_thinker]

LXX*

[@missinglink_eth]

This isn’t about Super Bowl 70?!? ;)

[@SibleySteve]

I have some of these titles, and Lexham is my fav, and it has the Odes and 1 Enoch, bonus material. I am coveting those Reader editions, love collecting GNT readers, thanks for the tips.

[@peterpapoutsis496]

Excellent video! You have to get the Phrophetologion & The Lectionary Bible by St. Igantius Orthodox Press to get a truly Orthodox liturgical understanding of the Septuagint. Meaning how the Orthodox use the Septuagint in our liturgical services. Take are and again great video!

[@TedBruckner]

Christ is Risen! Peter, ever since the 405 AD Vulgate Bible (with it's exception of the Psalms,) it and the subsequent RCC English versions are strictly more or less the Masoretic Text which is not a text the Orthodox Church has preserved, and all attempts of rabbis to sell the Church on using the Masoretic Text have failed, in the East, where they fully know only the text preserved by the Church. Romania is an exception but when you take into account it's history in the last century, it's no surprise, the Church there switched to partial or full Masoretic Text,

[@drbill-r9f]

I have all the LXX books you discussed. I agree that Brenton's is dated but I like it because it has the Greek adjacent to the English so I can see how he is translating certain Greek words when his translations seems awkward. The NETS and the Lexham give us only their English translation.

[@Walkby_Faith_Notsight]

I also bought the orthodox study bible. I really like it. But I’d like to learn more about Septuagint and which is the best.

[@anniebodyhome1000]

Wish I had this info 2 months ago when I bought my copy of the Orthodox Study Bible! I looked for a video like this and of course it didn’t exist yet! Thanks, now I can get a more helpful version. : )

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

I have to say that The Orthodox Study Bible and Lexham English Septuagint are the superior English translations of the LXX. Was very disappointed with Brenton.

[@estar1277]

Thanks for this video. God bless!

[@candys9027]

Confused now as to which version is the best for daily reading and study. I want the closest to original. Have seen several that the meaning is lost in translation or context has changed. Suggestion is very welcome!

[@DiscipleDojo]

If you don't read Greek, go with Lexham.

[@candys9027]

Thanks! Just ordered it!

[@residuejunkie4321]

​@candys9027 *EVERY version of the bible no matter how old has been magically changed by the antichrist into his own UNholy word. Sadly 99+% of all who call themselves "Christians'' can't see any of the thousands of blasphemous and obvious changes because God sent them a strong delusion for never receiving the love of the truth.*

[@deprogrammershepherd1234]

Amen

[@redsorgum]

I have Brenton’s version, it’s a very interesting read. It would be nice to see a more modern English version of the Latin Vulgate.

[@DysmasOfBabylon]

Brenton is the best, there are 5 instances of the word thats the orgin for Catholic, Katholos, Brenton is the only one that translates the word correctly

[@AIToughts]

Which LXX did the orthodox study bible use for its English translation ?

[@ThriftStoreBibles]

Great overview! I have the LES which is my go to for LXX reading and the NETS for comparison with it and the NRSV.

[@dave-leeds]

JMS! Funny story - I was just telling my wife at breakfast this morning about a friend of mine from Gordon-Conwell who taught a Hebrew class at his church. Just a few hours later, as I was researching the options for a good printed copy of Greek LXX, your video showed up for me on KZbin! 😂 Hope everything is going well for you! (Also - this video was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!)

[@DiscipleDojo]

What's up, homie! Good to hear from you! 😁

[@lavalleeverdun]

☑ The Septuagint is and always will be a "translation". Agreed. However... 🏁The Septuagint is not a translation of the Masoretic Text. In other words, what we'd call the modern printed Hebrew Bible. Benjamin Tsedaka's "The Israelite Samaritan Version of the Torah: First English Translation Compared with the Masoretic Version" has the Samaritan Text in English left column and the Masoretic in English in the right column. The differences are highlighted in bold in both columns. What strikes me is how the LXX seems to weave from preferring the Masoretic text (MT) to the Samaritan Pentateuch (SP). Point Being: Whatever text these translators in Alexandria Egypt were using it wasn't the MT or the SP but a sort of Hybrid. The heart-breaking part is this: When the Torah runs out at the end of Deuteronomy... there's no third reference any more. What we're left with is just the Masoretic vs the Septuagint (LXX). I tell my friends at Church: The Septuagint IS a translation of the Hebrew text. However, it's a Hebrew text no longer in existence, nor in circulation. Since 2019 I've been researching this text. Most of the gold nuggets are found in publications in the mid 1700's. Authors the like of Dr Benjamin Kennicott challenged the theological idea that the Hebrew text has come to us pure and without flaw. This is where I found out there is not just King-James-Onlyism... but there was and is Hebrew-Masoretic-Text-Onlyism as well. In 1776 Kennicott published the entire Hebrew Bible, based on its Masoretic source but with a huge set of footnotes (apparatus) detailing variations in manuscripts he'd spent 10 years locating and returning to the Bodleian Library. In many cases these long-forgotten hand-written tomes confirmed his suspicions concerning corrupt Hebrew readings. These are noted in his publication. But there's more. When one purchases a copy of the most modern Hebrew printed Tanach, I believe called BHS, Kennicott's name appears frequently in the apparatus. His books may be forgotten by the Church; his Hebrew Bible seems to be an effort in futility... Jewish scribes are in debt to his relentless labour to fix a neglected and broken text. Hebrew Bible available at Archive-dot-Org: *Vetus Testamentum Hebraicum : cum variis lectionibus* "Remarks on select passages in the Old Testament : to which are added eight sermons" His final work, published after his death. A careful review of some biblical Hebrew mess-ups. This text brings the ugly truth that the image of Hebrew scribes pains-takingly writing text with their noses touching the paper is only a recent phenomenon. They could be unbelievably inattentive. A more modern critic who exposes Hebrew copyist errors and deliberate "editing" is the Jewish believer David Noel Freedman. "Divine Commitment and Human Obligation" in two volumes is a good starting point. *Conclusion:* The LXX is not perfect, neither is the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Masoretic Text, the Judean Desert Scrolls, the Aramaic Targums... the Syrian... the Latin... and so forth. But when studied together, surprising gems come to the surface, rewarding the reader, reminding us that God is indeed true to His word. The church, however, has abdicated her role of correcting and preserving the text.

[@ArleneAdkinsZell]

Very nice explanation. I use a Septuagint along with a study Bible and commentaries when I do my Bible study and it can be a help.

[@mattg7146]

Solid video. I really appreciated how you compared the texts. That's often a hurdle when buying these things online, because you don't really know how it's going to read until you purchase a copy. Studying English translations of early Jewish and Christian manuscripts has been a hobby of mine ever since college, particularly that of the Apocrypha. I'm just fascinated by how it all relates. Personally, I don't think the Hebrew takes precedence. I think the LXX, MT, Vulgate, etc are all texts and mss that various people have found important over time that are important for the understanding of Christian and Jewish history and thought. What one deems important isn't any less valid than another imo. Once again, great video!

[@WalkleyDennis-k3t]

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[@chemmii]

As soon as you wander away from the original hebrew, you have put your understanding in Jeopardy, as to knowing what the Ancient scribes first wrote.!! This is true of all translations of everything written from the beginning of written materials...!!!

[@VladTepesh409]

Did you know the ages of Adam and his descendants all have age differences between the Greek Septuagint and the Masoretic Hebrew text? 100 years difference between each one.

[@ianpaul3547]

I have no problem with either of the pronunciations you mentioned. However, I find James White’s lazy sounding “sep-tih-jint" annoying to the ear.

[@davide6656]

Fantastic job. Wonderful recap, cleare and Easy to understand. ❤️

[@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah]

My belief is the LXX was a Biblical Greek dictionary, back in the days before BOUND CODEX's... IT WAS NOT A BOOK! It was a shelf full of scrolls at best, if it ever existed before Origins Hexapula... The idea that Synagogues had Greek Bible scrolls is ridiculous! It is very sad that VERY SMART PEOPLE believe the lie that there were no Hebrew Torah Scrolls available in the first century, but I have heard that from the mouth of someone who is about twice as smart as I am... IMHO

[@Adrian-hm7gx]

Who here have knowledge about Dr. Ammon Hillman from Ladybabylon 666

[@richardkettering9532]

Although most of these scholars just make things more confusing, this guy really resonates with me. He is more user-friendly and seems passionate about this stuff.

[@cherilynhamilton746]

We are not to get anything from Egypt! 'Neither shall ye walk in their ordinances" Lev 18:3

[@tomwood643]

There is also the Apostolic Polygot

[@kellymyers-c1t]

Which version has more years of life from adam to abraham thanks

[@cherilynhamilton746]

Vaticanus is of the Vatican, from the Vatican, by the Vatican for the Vatican ....controlled by the Vatican.

[@julieborges-iv3rc]

oooh. boogeyman reaction. So sad.

[@Nativeson9979]

Just wait till he drops that Vulgate on yall 😂

[@sideburnsoldiers3349]

yet not one of those came from the actual septuagint, in fact all these you spoke on came from either the vatican or the masoites, all those greek words are translated from the vatican or the masorites,im leaving EMPTY...yet again😒

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@sideburnsoldiers3349 that is incorrect.

[@sideburnsoldiers3349]

@@DiscipleDojo The source material for the translation of the New Testament was the Textus Receptus version of the Greek compiled by Erasmus; for the Old Testament, the Masoretic text of the Hebrew was used; for some of the apocrypha, the Septuagint Greek text was used, or for apocrypha for which the Greek was unavailable, easily can find history on the internet, i will just smh at this point.

[@Tracy-Inches]

There are several septuagints

[@decay-154]

How do we know Origen had the original Hebrew text ?

[@babygremlins]

swetes Septuagint actually has quite an extensive apparatus on it

[@simonewilliams7224]

Remember that until the 1600’s common mankind did not read! Only the very wealthy were even able to be educated and then only men were educated. Royals, very wealthy and the truly exceptional were the only people who read, wrote or studied religion, theology, philosophy, or the sciences, what there was of physiology and Medicine, etc. And most all texts were written right to left : Latin, Greek, Semitic, Hebrew, or Aramaic. And there was NO separation by Chapter and verse. Each book was easy flowing with no stops until the end.

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@simonewilliams7224 Greek and Latin were always read left to right.

[@cherilynhamilton746]

Why is the Masoretic Text in the King James Bible mathematically perfect and the Septuagint is not. "Truth Is Christ" by Brandon Peterson

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@cherilynhamilton746 neither the MT nor the KJV are "mathematically perfect." That's nonsense that KJVOnlyist preachers tell people who don't have the ability in Hebrew to fact check them.

[@Tracy-Inches]

Thanks for this video

[@dmsdad6866]

A lot of information, yet ill informed. The Septuigant was written BEFORE a Torah was either known or followed. See; Yonatan Adler, Russell Gmirkin, and Jacob Wright Enjoy.

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@dmsdad6866 that is 100% incorrect.

[@dmsdad6866]

@@DiscipleDojo It is absolutely correct. Have you read their work and analysis? Ask yourself, "How do I know what I know?" I pray your subscribers see this disagreement and how certain (closed off from being incorrect) you seem. Open up a little, sir, to always learning.

[@e.m.8094]

I really like the Lexham version of Psalm 23.

[@johnemanuele8695]

There is NO ORIGINAL TEXT of ANY scripture in existence!! NONE..

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@johnemanuele8695 you mean there is no original *manuscript* of the original texts. Those are two different things. The original text is what the manuscripts all trace back to and must be reconstructed through text-critical study. But if there were no original text the manuscripts wouldn't exist. See our free course Bible for the Rest of Us (particularly the session "Mistaken Manuscripts") for more on this distinction and why it matters.

[@hectorhernandez215]

No one is helpful.

[@Winning33]

Septuagint is not a newer translation of ancients texts how? they are the older texts 100%

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@Winning33 they are still a translation of the original Hebrew Scriptures into Greek.

[@cherilynhamilton746]

The Apocrypha is not from God, not inspired.

[@donaldmckay2722]

Opinion. There's no proof of this.

[@jkbugout]

New subscriber. Great content, brother.

[@BitesOfFaith]

Another off topic about N.T. Wright. I hope that you can clarify. Did you know that he believes in evolution? And that Adam and Eve were NOT the first humans? Are you kidding me?? I’m the one that asked you about him yesterday. I did some research and found this out. You said to read anything that I could get my hands on by him. So the question that I wanted to ask is if you too hold this position. Wright has some dangerous theology. He even explains that it’s because Israel sinned, not Adam, and that’s his view of salvation! WHAT!???

[@DiscipleDojo]

Most Christians throughout history have held differing views on how Genesis and science fit together. We have an entire course here on the channel (The Bible & Science: Friends of Foes??) which surveys the different ways Christians can approach the question. It is unwise (and unbiblical) to disregard someone as dangerous based on holding a different view of Genesis 1-11 than the one we do. For my own approach, see the playlist here on the channel where we walk through the Genesis Creation Days. And be charitable when discerning theological differences.

[@BitesOfFaith]

@@DiscipleDojo I get your point about being charitable, but this is serious in this matter of doctrine because it undermines what salvation really is all about. It's a little bit different than Calvinism versus non-Calvinism beliefs, etc.! This isn't a scientific view or a non-scientific view; it's a salvation question. I also found this article and I'm including a snippet below: Article Snippet: N.T. Wright - The New Perspective on Paul "Page 60: “ ‘The gospel’ is not, for Paul, a message about ‘how one gets saved,’ ” in an individual and ahistorical sense.” Page 41; here is how Wright describes what he is convinced is a misunderstanding of the gospel: “In certain circles within the church . . . ‘the gospel’ is supposed to be a description of how people get saved; of the theological mechanism whereby, in some people’s language, Christ takes our sin and we his righteousness.” “Some people’s language”? Wright himself disdains to use such language. He is careful to insist that he is not intolerant of people who do use that language. He goes on (p. 41): “I am perfectly comfortable with what people normally mean when they say ‘the gospel’. I just don’t think it’s what Paul means.”" What’s Wrong with Wright: Examining the New Perspective on Paul by Phil Johnson www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/whats-wrong-wright-examining-new-perspective-paul

[@ariesevokes3897]

The Septuagint was only translated into the 5 books of Moses. Tanak was never translated by the Rabbis

[@DiscipleDojo]

@@ariesevokes3897 who do you mean by "the rabbis"? All of the Tanakh books were translated into Greek and used by diaspora Jews before the 1st century AD.

[@ariesevokes3897]

@DiscipleDojo The original Rabbis were ordered to translate the 5 books of Moses only, nothing else. Different s golors translated the prophets... KZbin tovia singer on the Septuagint. This is fact. Those translated copies were sent to Alexandria, and they were all burnt. If you had a copy, you would be a billionaire

[@mrstofu2]

I've never been to bible school, therefore this is all new to me 😳

[@richardvoogd3012]

I, too, have never been to Bible school. I find the information in this channel and others interesting as it can help inform my personal Bible study.

[@oshanelee560]

Do you give books to those who are overseas? I live in Jamaica.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Sometimes, but they have to pay the shipping costs.

[@jasonmalstrom1043]

I've been using the NETS version as a companion in reading the Ancient Faith Study Bible, it's been very handy in better understanding the commentary of the Church Fathers

[@TedBruckner]

Christ is Risen! Jason, A New English Translation of the Septuagint and the Other Greek Translations Traditionally Included Under that Title (abbreviated as NETS) is Masoretic Text in a Septuagint dress. Here’s an excerpt from it's TO THE READER OF NETS : “Since NETS has been based, however, upon the New Revised Standard Version (1989), it’s character can be said to derive, in part at least, from the NRSV.” I have made enough verse comparisons in it to see where it counts it reads as the Masoretic Text does instead: it's those "Other Greek Translations Traditionally Included Under that Title" that give the producers the right to make it a Masoretic Text in a Septuagint dress. But as those "Other Greek Translations Traditionally Included Under that Title" strove to make better Greek translations, where the NETS does translate the Greek, it often excels other English editions.

[@jasonmalstrom1043]

@@TedBruckner Thank you for the insight. I picked between the NETS and the LES (Lexham English Septuagint) Is there an english translation you find superior?

[@TedBruckner]

@@jasonmalstrom1043 The translation titled "A New English Translation of the Septuagint and the Other Greek Translations Traditionally Included Under that Title" (abbreviated as NETS) is Masoretic Text in a Septuagint dress. Here’s an excerpt from TO THE READER OF NETS : “Since NETS has been based, however, upon the New Revised Standard Version (1989), it’s character can be said to derive, in part at least, from the NRSV.” I think most people who buy the NETS don't grasp the fact what they got was a bogus Septuagint. Brenton's translation probably still is the best; not sure because i never bought a Lexham English Septuagint after all the things i read on how it bombed on quite a few translations. a let down for those of us expecting a better more literal translation. But definitely the LES or Brenton are good enough, but never the NETS or the Charles Thompson reprint (i had it and it's as riddled with the MT as the NETS). The OSB is utterly poor in many restects, mainly in that goes from reading the MT then the LXX back and forth; and even missing the 2nd 1/2 of Isaiah 22:22! Brenton's edition has been upgraded: an editing of the KJVish pronouns and verb endings to modern English, and has the footnotes. i recommend it. The name of the book is The Septuagint with Apocrypha: The Greek Old Testament in English Third Edition by the Ex Fontibus Company. It has Brenton’s important footnotes, and it is an excellently reformatted version of the original up-grade which was only published as a public domain e-book named The Septuagint in American English 2012: LXX2012 by Michael Johnson ebible.org/ & available digitally on amazon.

[@SAMBUT]

noticed that there is as well a Septuaginta: An Abridged Reader's Edition Gregory R. Lanier & William A. Ross out there - anyone knows if Psalm 91 (he who dwells in the secret place...) is part of the shortened version?

[@jacobshepard654]

Koren and JPS Tanakh (Masoretic aka the words use emphasize the point so so so much better.) I, in my opinion, believe the Septuagint lacks the seriousness of the Scriptures. The Koren even states they wanted to use the Masoretic because in Hebrew is where it is strongest and I honestly agree. the KJV (uses the Septuagint) is so dull compared to the Traditional Hebrew. Hence why it was compiled entirely by Hebrew speaking Jews.

[@ancientgalaxy7697]

Im here becaose of the obscura song about this 🤘

[@jay.rhoden]

Just a minor point on the transliteration of names. I don't think anyone believes "δαυιδ" would have been pronounced as "Dauid" at the time the LXX would have been translated do they? Does anyone know why they do this? Am I wrong?

[@roddumlauf9241]

There are also more English translations of the Septuagint available on LuLu. But they are in multiple volumes. Gary F. Zeolla and Peter A. Papoutsis are two of my favorite translators. The Holy Orthodox Bible, translated by Papoutsis is my favorite, but because it in multiple volumes I tend to use Leham.

[@muskyoxes]

So i've gotten myself psyched up to dive into a forty-minute scholarly video. "We'll be taking a very cursory look today..."

[@joeangular]

Very good presentation. Also let me suggest Thomson translation and Apostolic Bible Polyglot interlinear translation

[@iericnierman]

Great video. You answered a lot of the questions I had about the differences. 👍