What Is The Worst OU Pokemon?

[@FalseSwipeGaming]

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[@playersnake]

Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Infernape theorem

[@justinnzamora5366]

FSG: Electivire, it's time for me to dunk on you in another video of mine. Electivire: Yes, dear.

[@JustButton]

my baby boi…😢

[@SethJV]

At least he does better than my boy Luxray...

[@krosshair450]

Mega Garchomp should've been on this as an honorable mention because the only reason it's never been lower than OU is because its base form outclasses it in nearly every way lmao

[@enderdestroyer-mr7nh]

I say that only applies to gen 6 and gen 9 national dex ou. As mega garchomp was actually consider a pretty mon and sidegrade to reg garchomp in gen 7(mixed wallbreaker) and gen 8 national dex ou(hyper offence scale shot sweeper). And I think it didn’t get a mention because it was ranked ou by technicality, not actually ranked ou itself

[@krosshair450]

the "OU by technicality" groups in Gen 4 and 5 are listed here so the last point is kinda moot

[@ZelongDong]

@@enderdestroyer-mr7nh why you wasting your mega slot for a sidegrade when you can just use it for straight upgrades

[@enderdestroyer-mr7nh]

⁠@@ZelongDongBecause those straight upgrades do different things and have different strengths and weaknesses. And I’m talking about gen 7, not 6 where mega aren’t the main focus of a team composition , and the opportunity cost isn’t as detrimental.

[@LordPhilipJFry]

No one ever thought Mega Garchomp was actually good, though. From the very first day of XY, every single competitive player recognized that it was inferior to base Garchomp and was not a true OU threat. The Pokemon listed in this video were all considered to be actually viable in OU at some point.

[@Super_Top_Secret_Area]

Yes, that's just how it is. Gen 4 OU players just don't want to update their OU tier, that's why Electivire and Dusknoir are still stuck there to this day. They just decided the job was done and left it in this unfinished state. The viability rankings change so much each time that Gen 4 OU is becoming more and more unrecognizable as a tier (and pointless as an introduction to playing the actual metagame).

[@andrew1435]

I mean, not only that but there have been major rule changes since the generation ended such as baton pass with stat buffs and arena trap being banned. You would think they would update the tier list at least once just to reflect how the ruleset shaped the meta.

[@patricklynch4074]

Its the reason i dont play it despite loving gen 4 They just decided a half assed tiering system was fine and i dont want to play a tier like that

[@lokimanezero]

For the Golem segment, I would like to mention that Golem was a much better paralysis spreader than Rhydon was wirh Body Slam. Once it was discovered Body Slam cannot paralyze the Normal Types, then one of the other important niches Golem had over Rhydon disappeared overnight.

[@tondrone9124]

Rhydon doesnt learn body slam???

[@stealthy9156]

​@@tondrone9124it does

[@AyuNico]

Let me guess, Donphan is on the list? I still remember people trying to make it work so hard in BW despite us having a plethora of spinners that were not weak to water.

[@sonofhades57]

...Guilty of that early on. I just liked the idea of Donphan more than the execution.

[@Illusion_Zeta]

The worst OU is what you think will be the best RU in the next two generations

[@ShenaniganBros1]

Couldn’t have said it better myself

[@goGothitaLOL]

Or NU

[@MazterP28]

Rhydon learns more special moves than some normal Pokémon.

[@danielnidhiry5796]

gen 1 pokemon movepools are usually wild

[@chosone2]

I remember teaching Rhydon ice punch in gen 2 and wondering why it barely scratched the opponent, before learning about types being fixed to either physical or special

[@AgsmaJustAgsma]

Did I dream or was Surf Rhydon a legitimate strategy in Gen 1 OU?

[@MazterP28]

@@AgsmaJustAgsma they had bubblebeam rhydon on rhydon to lower your opponents speed when they retreat and are incoming. But you could use Surf to attack golems and other rhydon. So you were not dreaming

[@thefirespecialist9007]

I literally run Choice Specs Rhyperior to this day!

[@youdom5]

Now the inverse of this concept: What are the Best PU/NU Pokemon?

[@sosams]

Probably Skuntank for PU, PUn not intended. Dark/Poison is such a great typing

[@paradocks184]

The fact that I knew Electivire was gonna be on the thumbnail makes me sad

[@thatman666]

Electrivire: Why have I evolved, just to suffer?

[@bdt2002gaming]

ADV Cloyster deserves a mention here, too. Its Water/Ice typing feels like such a handicap here, and there’s almost no reason to use it as your Spikes setter over Skarmory. Even the less common Forretress has an easier time switching into physical attackers and/or pulling off a successful Rapid Spin, a move which itself Cloyster can learn but is outclassed in. If Cloyster was pure Water, that would help it a lot, but it would still face competition from at least Skarmory and Rapid Spin Starmie. In fact, we know the former to be true since pure Water Cloyster has been tried out in custom ADV mods before to noticeable success.

[@StickmanHatena]

The existance of OU and UU implies the existance of a much more moderate, U category.

[@cartycartoons5594]

Regice's old idle animations from Pokemon colloseum look so bizarre, he's just doing the robot. 😂😂.

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

FSG: "Wanna se me dunk on electivire" *completely violates him* *one video later* "wanna see me do it again"

[@josephbulkin9222]

He won't stop. A shame. Electivire is one of my favorite pokemon.

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

Regice is seeing a lot of Gen 3 tournament usage right now. Its really good. I think in some tournies it saw more use than Blissey.

[@funkymachine]

That's definitely not true, but regice is doing well as people realize bolt answer is essentially required. Also with how twave is becoming more broken.

[@paradocks184]

I think another video like this going over the best lifelong lower tier mons in OU or Ubers would be cool. Gastrodon comes to mind.

[@shiruotakuno28]

"try not to make fun of Electivire" challenge fucking impossible

[@B3FMandCProductions]

Golem may be the worst OU Pokemon of all time, but it was still a badass who helped 7 year old me defeat Red Version for the first time so the rocky boi has a special place in my heart

[@1krubby]

Victreebel in Gen 1 fell out of OU and immediately dropped to PU which is such an incomprehensible fall off but then just recently it managed to barely slip back into OU and stay off this list. it's funny that NU is more hostile to it than OU

[@swagzagoon2596]

Imagine being the absolute worst pokemon in the most known tier that's gotta be like, HELL to live in.

[@rohonrammya5477]

Rest in Peace BW Donphan; you woulda loved UU

[@Gamesmarts194]

This video kinda reminds me of old FSG, where Gen 6 was barely out and analyses were basically “You’re OU+ or you suck”.

[@playersnake]

Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Infernape theorem

[@FirstLastname604]

What about the best ou pokemon across the entire series? The most reliable pick no matter what game you play?

[@persuisixh4804]

Depending on the gen, ttar, ferrothorn, or garchomp.

[@lulunisha]

I think it's pretty easily Magearna

[@bigsammichthoughts]

It’s TTar. It was a top ranked Pokemon for 7 generations in a row and despite being UU in Gen 9 right now it still has a real OU niche. He’s a unit.

[@demi-femme4821]

Zapdos. It's been OU in every gen except V and it's always at least decent.

[@AppleBiscuits]

Dusknoir actually got better in Gen 5, since its ice punch set hard counters reigning OU president Lando-T

[@dbt4869]

It's Ru

[@the_bookworm8281]

Here is some other mons that could go on here: Gen 5 & 6 Dugtrio: Very self-explanatory; the mon was busted back when Arena Trap was allowed, but after its ban, the mon became completely useless. The Arena Trap ban happened long after Gen 5 & 6 were the current gens, so Dug is trapped in complete uselessness in OU. Gen 5 Venusuar: Also very self-explanatory; the mon was busted back when the combination of Drought + Chlorophyll was allowed, but became essentially useless after the ban, and this too happened after Gen 5 was the current gen. The only use case of Venu is to counter-team opposing Sun teams, but not only Sun teams are fairly rare, they are typically more stall oriented which Venu doesn't provide much value against. Gen 5 Toxicroak: Was a good mon for a long while as a means of being a Fighting type mon that functions very well under permanent Rain. However, it is a mon that functions purely off of Rain due to its poor stats outside of attack, and eventually the value the mon provides starting fazing out more and more as time goes on. Currently, it is a D ranked mon in the VR and an "OU by technicality" mon by usage. Gen 6 Raikou: The purest example of a once popular anti-meta threat; early XY had Thundurus-I and Talonflame usage be at 3000% and Raikou is an excellent check to both of those plus other mons like Mega Pinsir. However, times have not been kind to it, as both of those aforementioned mons, while still very strong, isn't as popular going into ORAS and beyond, and the tier became more dominated by mons that it doesn't fare very well against, most notably Excadrill becoming a top 2 mon in the tier alongside Clefable. It is not the worst thing you can put on a team, as a few players think it is a little better than what its C- rank in the VR says, but it definitely fells off hard and became a mediocre OU mon, earning its "OU by technicality" distinction.

[@skeetermania3202]

As for DPP Umbreon, I might be wrong, but its OU status is likely a relic of a time Mean Look + Baton Pass was legal, and since that ban occurred after Gen 4 ended, the usage stats couldn’t be altered.

[@magicannon6285]

Hoping for a return to the open mic video format, I loved those vids!

[@notafan5573]

Dude. Eletivire's only problem is that it lacks a good STAB option. Just give it Plasma Fist (Zeraora's signature move) and Close Combat; problem solved. In fact, Plasma Fist needs to be distributed anyway. It's an awesome move that's gone to waste *FOR 5+ YEARS* because it's stuck on a pokemon that would likely be amazing, but GF won't let us use (poor mythicals). It's been long enough; it's time to let everyone else have a turn and here's every pokemon who should learn it: Pawmot, Iron Hands, Eelektross, and Thundarus. These pokemon should learn Plasma Fist because it would be a massive boon and/or it makes thematic/logical sense with their lore and anatomy. I think the list of potential users should be limited to only electric types and even then, it should be relatively small (think fire types with Eruption).

[@rubiconprime1429]

You’d think regarding DPP and BW that the smogon teams would forcibly drop those pokemon to UU with an extra stipulation that they can’t be brought back up to OU. Maybe devote two years to reopening the balance forums regarding those pokemon. If they’re good in UU, they stay there, too strong, put them back in BL, not doing anything, let them drop to RU/NU. Treat is the same way the Advanced Scyther clause was treated.

[@Meddadius]

The friends we dropped along the way.

[@DCBiscuit]

ELECTIVIRE IN THE THUMBNAIL! LET’S GOOOO!

[@isaacwoodman4289]

Gen 6 Azelf cheesed it’s way into a spot in OU at the end of the generation

[@LordBeau]

I’d argue for Gen 7 tangrowth, considering that it’s been said that any analysis mentioning it is outdated

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

bruh we need an electivire theroem. pokemon that look good on paper but just dont do well in the meta game for one reason or another

[@nombregenerico7775]

I think it's Charizard, and I really think that Charizard needs more buffs or forms from Gamefreak, as he has been out of the spotlight for too long.

[@sonitsahay2743]

Mega Charizard Z

[@thevioletbee5879]

@@sonitsahay2743Don’t forget Mega Charizard A.

[@Mysticshosh42]

Gigantamax mega charizard XY

[@RFDN0]

Charizard honestly only needs a grass move without needing the sun to be a single turn to have good use cases. General power creep is an issue but doubles can use sun weather better and heat wave spam. Megas patched this issue for Charizard.

[@AyuNico]

Charizard was only OU for the generations that Charizard X was a thing.

[@Zayloxithe]

I love T-Tar but that 4x fighting weakness is brutal

[@SeJoHu]

Wow, a sponsor that is relevant and interesting!

[@goldennugget2562]

Leave my child alone

[@beauvogames]

This was a fun video. Do you have the best OU Pokémon that just still could not crack Ubers? So good or too good in a high tier but just not up to competing in the best tier?

[@blufftonitevideo]

What do E-vire and Beedril have in common, besides being yellow with black stripes? Why, their stat spreads and movepools working against them, of course!

[@JumboSizedRichard]

0:01 STILL waiting for “How Good was Amoonguss Actually…” It’s been about 378 days of asking.

[@goGothitaLOL]

Oh great, more Electivire and Dusknoir slander

[@TheDiscoGenre]

15:35 Fisdunction in 2024 reference.

[@skeetermania3202]

Something to wonder about ladder usage irrespective of viability. Isn’t ladder kind of a different environment from the tournament or draft settings and, thus, favour certain Pokémon derisively seen by the tourney players? I mean, viability is a pretty subjective metric to judge by, BTW.

[@elYIiLy]

as much as i like regice these days i find it better to use it alongside zard and claydol as a tankier alternative to offensive alternative to gengar and not really anywhere else

[@justindekoning9988]

Snorlax in Gen 4. It mostly seems to have avoided the BL placement becuase its a popular pokemon. It has 2 sets it commonly runs chesto rest and rest talk. Both of theese are just trying to match up fish. No matter what the rest talk set does any ghost type blanks it and it takes to long to set up for it to ever threaten hippowdon and skarmory becuase they will just phaze it out. Same with the rest chesto set. No matter what coverage move it picks something will wall it. And again even with ice punch Hippowdon is just going to phaze it and render it useless. Choice band sometimes shows up too but there isnt a point to it. Since Azelf's choice band explosion is way stronger and it actually outspeeds things, choice band snorlax is just hoping you catch your oppent by suprise with it and once the suprise is gone its pretty useless. It like turning the game into a 5v5 best case scenario. And again Azelf does the better

[@HectorRamirez64]

A cool idea for a vid could be the worst mega respective of their tier.

[@justinnzamora5366]

Should you visit the subject again, I say Porygon-Z in Gen 7 OU is worth mentioning.

[@struckcomet]

15:07 haha minor spelling mistake in we're. Autocorrect for the win

[@Benbre08]

I would have put mega garchomp, the only reason it’s even OU is because garchomp is

[@Rarest26]

Dear current gen players, stop spamming Meow on ladder

[@yoshimallow]

Really? RBY Golem at #1? No RBY Machamp? No RBY Charizard? (both are still used by people in OU, who don't understand that they are garbage)

[@abraham-kun4144]

Jolteon and Vaporeon appearing 2 times on this video. 😅

[@lordinfernape4753]

Man someone tell em to please ban Latios and Keldeo in BW OU, these guys make me unviable

[@facade6927]

Bro, please fix your mic. 2019-2023 Kellen's voice in the videos was so much better

[@AlexCortez_3_3]

Can we get a "how good was cresselia" video please?????

[@assassineagle1]

Holy wtf was that intro explanation. I wanted to know what ou meant and confused me WAY more

[@manicornianfilmis6874]

I'd like to see a video about BL because currently we got 12 pokemon in UUBL currently

[@ez8195]

Is Starraptor still the king of OUBL? I swear he was BL for a few generations

[@slavkei]

I love that despite never having played a signle game against another player, I have a surprising understanding of competitive on both the unofficial and official sides of the spectrum between FSG and Wolfe Glick's videos.

[@lordinfernape4753]

u mean a game of singles? like u only play doubles?

[@slavkei]

@@lordinfernape4753 I've never played any game against another player period. I learn about singles from FSG and VGC from Wolfe Glick.

[@lordinfernape4753]

@slavkei Well, Im sorry to be the one telling you this, but no you dont understand anything. All that knowledge is just memory, if you have never played a single game in showdown, youll find that even after watching dozens of videos, that knowledge won't be cemented in your brain until you play Btw why dont you play? Its free

[@Zenithal1843]

21:10 it’s ok its great great great great great great great great grandfather revenged him

[@Bluichu]

what's that game below pokemon tcg? 2:40

[@Shadow-monarch0110]

Kingambit for sure

[@reallyawesometitle7653]

Why? It's been Top 2 since Gen 9s start and it's still there

[@persuisixh4804]

He’s being sarcastic

[@danielegaudenzi4971]

Electrivire in gen 9 can tera grass, Water or ice to use tera blast agastain Ground,Rock and Dragons.

[@twilighttoast01]

Basically just Staraptor the video

[@deltalord6969]

"What the worst type" could be a good vid

[@reallyawesometitle7653]

Bug. Video saved

[@Deerifius]

​​@@reallyawesometitle7653in my opinion it's ice (which is my favorite type, it just sucks) When regarding pokemon type, ice is horrible, and regarding moves- while ice gets stuff like blizzard and hail/snow, bugs overall have pretty good moves like pollen puff, bug buzz, u-turn, quiver dance, while ice doesn't have anything nearly as versatile as all that. Then, there's also bug centric abilities, like wonder guard (while not bug-based, it is exclusive to a bug), sheild dust is busted, blocking flinching & all secondary effects like dire claws stuff, and swarm just has general utility. Ice... Doesn't really have much. While yes, it has stuff like Aurora Veil, the consistency of ice beam, the terror of blizzard in snow, the freeze effect overall is busted, it's just my personal opinion that bugs are more versatile than ice types. TL;DR, bugs have better moves and abilities than ice, and while ice has freezing and snow, bug overall better.

[@CArcherOwl]

Nah, it’s bug. Ice counters Dragon and has hail. Bug has so much less.

[@AyuNico]

@@Deerifius Ice got Aurora Veil, the defense buff from Snow and it's crazy powerful as a STAB. We just had two ice types banned in this generation's OU, Weavile and Baxcalibur. Bug only has U-turn as pretty much the best move in existence, with Quiver Dance being a status move overall untied to their bug-typing, and being nearly not enough to move like 90% of the mons that get it from being NU and below shitmons.

[@Deerifius]

@@AyuNico Ice is offensive and bug is utility, I just happen to prefer overall utility

[@beeniecat9411]

Give us a thumbnail with a pokemon that has a pompadour. 😂

[@josephbulkin9222]

You got something against Dusknoir or Electivire? Every video that mentions them, you cant stop dumping on them.

[@AnotherPancakeEnjoyer]

Maybe I don't fully understand. Isn't weavile and porygon 2 still used in high competitive play?

[@moyai5317]

haxorus was outclassed by dragonite not kyurem black lol

[@Magic_Ice]

You are the worst OU Pokémon.

[@atsuroboy]

ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[@BowserJrFan-1]

😔

[@gamerdude491]

OUch

[@sketchydude8431]

Take that back : (

[@feifeifeifeife]

Read in Keanu Reeves' voice

[@Siioh]

forsen

[@Xiuhcoatl_]

Neat

[@ThePeasantRock16]

WHERE'S THE CHARIZARD PIKACHU THEOREM AKA WHY POPULAR ISNT EVERYTHING

[@reallyawesometitle7653]

Because there are many popular mons that still excel

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

Alternative title: what happens when a generation stops being the current one

[@NA1c158]

Lapras. It should dominate most matchups but it always seems a little too frail against powerful electric. If it had more bulk, it would be a standout in the series.

[@quiqueh8808]

First

[@KashiwaDaisuke]

forsrt

[@jeffthesimpkiller]

Golem being good because of nobody actually playing RBY is pretty hilarious