What Judo Can Learn from Wrestling - The Shintaro Higashi Show

The American wrestling system is known to consistently produce quality grapplers. What's the reason behind its success, and what can Judo learn from it? In this episode, Shintaro and Peter discuss their theories on why wrestling in America is so successful, drawing from their personal experiences.
0:45 producing wrestling champions
2:25 how wrestling practice is different than judo practice
4:08 why judo gyms dont emphasize grip fighting
6:00 do they drill in japanese dojos?
7:45 can judo borrow practice strategy from wrestling
10:45 percentages of competitors in the room
13:00 borrowing from deliberate practice strategy
16:00 how deliberate practice helps the hobbyists
18:45 the goal of a gen pop judo gym
19:20 money in wrestling vs judo
22:30 full time judo teachers?
23:40 judo in the NCAA?
25:00 integrating judo into local colleges
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[@counterhit121]

One of my favorite things about Shintaro is his expertise across all the major grappling domains. So it's always a treat to hear him opine about ways to bring the best from one domain to another: in this case it was wrestling for judo, in others past its been bjj for judo. This type of cross-pollination is a breath of fresh air across all disciplines and gives me great hope for the future.

[@bobbywilson5429]

I fenced in college and never thought to call myself a D1 athlete. I will now correct that going forward. 😁

[@tatamitalk]

I actually use the deliberate practice drills you talked about just constrained more for beginners / older judokas and I found that retention rate has increased instead of decreasing.

[@aymanabaza6475]

As a former wrestler, a bjj and now a Nidan, Judo Black Belt, I can tell you yes wrestling does some good and hard workouts but that's nothing in comparison to a good Judo Club like ours. We cross train Traditional Japanese Ju Jitsu with our Judo with strikes, knee and ankle locks, we don't adhere to these ridiculous rules you can't touch the leg nonsense, we train real world Jugo/Ju Jitsu. Also, there's a great Jugo Club I follow. Welcome Mat Judo/Sambo and Japanese Ju Jitsu, it's a different world 🌎 in Judo, besides the throws everyone sees, Newaza and in Europe and other countries their NeWaza is Top Notch for sure

[@markdaniels4178]

I am an American who stand on what you're saying. I trained in bjj, judo and high-school wrestling and I totally agree . I dont separate bjj from judo or these crazy rules about not touching the legs. I strongly believe blending in traditional jiu-jitsu; we do this at my judo school. However, im straight judo now and don't really need bjj because my newaza is good enough

[@TheAseer2020]

Have a historical Judo question about the rear naked choke. Historically has this technique been a top submission finisher of contests? Is seems like in MMA and BJJ the rear naked choke is used a lot, but in Judo historically where does it rank in submission finishes of contests? My favorite choke is the Kata hajime, I wish this was used a lot more.

[@jtom416]

Been going down a rabbit hole of these episodes lately. Shintaro loves that tennis backhand example 😂

[@Jordanthecool7]

I recently joined judo since I couldn’t find any wrestling gym for adults where I’m from , and contrary to what people be saying about judo ( even the watered down version ) being ineffective , I really disagree. So many of the throws , trips, and sweeps can be used in both gi and no gi, it’s very practical even without leg grabs. A-lot of the takedowns in judo are actually really powerful and would be really damaging if your throwing a normal person on concrete , furniture , or other hard surfaces and the person don’t know how to fall correctly . Randori is also very affective at helping you learn how to apply the techniques against a resisting opponent . I can’t say weather it’s better or worse than wrestling , but I would say that it is a very affective martial art / combat sport.

[@seabassmorris]

Love all your videos keep it up!

[@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine]

Judo is harder to learn than wrestling, and a lot of non-patient practitioners get bored quickly and leave because they can't uchi mata someone.

[@Jay-ho9io]

Tell me you've never wrestled before without telling me you've never wrestled before.

[@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine]

@@Jay-ho9io Judo is harder than wrestling, facts don't care about ur feelings and I did wrestle for 2 years and just began judo 9 months ago do you really think pulling an uchi mata on a resisting opponent is easy ? you gotta revise ur mindeset if thats the case

[@Jay-ho9io]

@@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine cool story.

[@joe-jg4bh]

Wrestling technique is just as hard to master. 15 years freestyle wrestling experience, 10 years Judo experience.

[@MrSpiralling]

​ Both are really hard sports, but judo is hard because of technique and wrestling's hard because it's more about strength and Conditioning then technique

[@AceBoogie_]

Judo has a steep learning curve, I think it’s makes more sense for adult learners to join a BJJ club with wrestling classes. Then add the fact that No-Gi Judo isn’t a thing yet.

[@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine]

Yeah because Judo is hard on the body especialy for old / adults and schools don't teach "old men" judo rather they teach "young men" judo Nogi judo isnt regonised but that doesnt stop judokas from practicong it Lets hope it will be officialy regonized someday

[@chris51ification]

No gi judi Is literally Greco-Roman wrestling minus submissions.

[@andresgreene4913]

​@@chris51ification Greco doesn't have ashi waza.

[@chris51ification]

@@andresgreene4913 True

[@AceBoogie_]

@@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine not only are the throws hard on the body, the throws are very technical and can be difficult to master for adult beginners.

[@CoelhoSports]

Quick question: when Japanese and Koreans play baseball, is it mandatory the use the English words strike, ball, hit, out, inning, etc, or do they use their own normal language when they play? I thought koreans don't use many Japanese terms when practicing judo the way English speaking countries seem to be required to use all Japanese terms.

[@64wy4x8s]

In Korean baseball we use a mixture of English and Korean terminology for baseball. For certain terms like strike, ball, out, inning, we do have our own terms but we use them interchangeably with the Korean terminology as well. 심판 - Umpire 투수 - Pitcher 포수 - Catcher 타자 - Batter 지명타자 - Designated hitter 1루수 - First baseman 2루수 - Second baseman 3루수 - Third baseman 유격수 - Shortstop 좌익수 - Left fielder 중견수 - Center fielder 우익수 - Right fielder 중간계투/구원투수 - Bullpen pitcher 마무리투수 - Closer 주자 - Runner 1루타 - single 2루타 - double 3루타 - triple 내야안타 - infield hit 홈런 - homerun 만루홈런 - grand slam 도루 - Stolen base 볼넷 - base on balls 삼진 - Strike out 직구 - Fast ball 변화구 - Breaking ball 내야 땅볼 - Ground out 직선타구 - Line drive 뜬공 - Fly ball 견제구 - Pick-off throw 땅볼 - Ground ball

[@CoelhoSports]

@@64wy4x8s i assume it's the same in japan. they play the game in their own language and style. kano spoke fluent english and he probably expected judo to assimilate worldwide, like baseball and other sports.

[@bbs6459]

Halo Shintaro. Any advice for a guy that is 5 ft, in the 81kg weight category.

[@goku-pops7918]

Shintaro have you ever do e MMA? You got that Japanese build like a tank like myself, short legs stocky 😘 much love

[@BuddhismByKev]

What’s the estimated net worth of all judo practitioners in the US?

[@syn3rgyz]

Levan needs to learn what survivorship bias is

[@haraldodunkirk1432]

I love both. Wrestling is FAR more functional for BJJ or MMA. Plus… Nothing more annoying, when watching a judo match, than the sight of someone executing a beautiful ouchigari or kouchigari and opponent spins around to flop onto stomach. Zero score in judo (it would score in wrestling or advantage in BJJ). Total waste of a beautiful takedown.

[@Marcelo-rv7rn]

Judo is basically Japanese wrestling

[@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine]

I like to say that Judo is just greco-roman-wrestling but on steroids

[@TechnlcalTechnlques]

judo is more like jacket wrestling

[@bruceparker6142]

​@@Ludwig_Van_Aristossinemorote gari

[@gajorg69]

5% of the dojo being competitors seems so low to me.... I'm not in the states but judo is a healthy sport here and I'd say 50-60% or our dojo actively competes or has retired from competition at a reasonable and or high level. Is my club really that much of an outlier?

[@Jay-ho9io]

In the United States? Yes.

[@gajorg69]

@@Jay-ho9io gotcha, huh wouldn't have thought Canada (or at least my region) and US would have that much of a gap.

[@markdaniels4178]

Americans are brainwashed by bjj and mma and very delusional about judo and traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu.

[@mndeg]

US is weak in terms of competitive judo

[@djignatin4043]

I live in pennsylvania. I was a wrestler. High school wrestling team. I didn't take Judo until later.