What JUST HAPPENED!? | Honkai: Star Rail 3.0 DEBATE

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

Everyone has a good point. Hoyo just need to combine all of these complain into 1 solution: *Basically make the Quad banners permanent every patch & the order of reruns consistent with character release order*

[@RavenShugo]

Then add more jades per month, or make rerun banners 100% with lower pity.

[@heyohworld4067]

Ya see.. if Hoyo were actually doing this for the players they would've already done it. They're not idiots. It's incredibly obvious that would be the best way to implement quad banners for the players -- but they will not do that because they ARE being predatory by trying to maximize fomo. It's a gacha company so it's not as if these tactics are anything new.. but let's call a spade a spade instead of blindly allowing them to manipulate us as a community.

[@claudiowiseman8488]

also improving ratio for rerun like 80/20 or 90/10 or lowering pity for rerun

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

@@heyohworld4067 Yeah I am a bit disappointed cuz I remember HSR wasn't like this at the start when they were really improving the game with Big QoL, just like what Wuwa did rn. But recently every new QoL aren't executed that well because there's a hidden agenda behind.

[@KyHeartWill]

​@@jerryeljeremy7790 take a while to remember this is hoyo games huh

[@Yin184]

The whole chat being just an echo chamber repeating ”W …, L …“ just represents that they do not think on their own. Can’t they just be normal for once.

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

People nowadays don't learn, they repeat

[@maxmanchik]

Well duh, big chats aren't exactly the most intellectual places. Also, chats usually reflect the streamer, so figures

[@choppy3115]

Twitch chatters try not to be insufferable challenge (impossible)

[@tw1ggu]

I mean twitch chat itself doesn't really lend itself to longer messages that have people giving their own opinion and whatnot. Especially in chats for larger streamers, it's standard for chatters to just send short emote or meme messages so they can get their "contribution" into the chat.

[@maxmanchik]

@tw1ggu Yeah, cause the chat moves too fast. Nobody's gonna read your few sentences and opinions unless they're from a superchat/bits donation

[@chaptereight3406]

I agree on both points, Smack's concern is that the company is greedy with their reruns (they didn't focus the reruns on characters who hasn't had a rerun) however it does incentivizes for faster banner cycles just as Pokke said

[@blackdust7353]

True, but i really think it's not that bad at all. It would change barely anything if, for example, Robin came back in 2 patches, cause we will have 2 other new characters in that patch with one being Castorice (already big fan favorite) most likely, meta defining or not, and potential reruns someone might like to pull on as well. There is basically never a real point where a rerun is well placed, cause you'd always have the problem of invest management, except for if Hoyo showers us with more jades to pull 6 characters per patch basically. Besides, it's not like everybody even wants a specific character. In here, it was specifically talked about the Feixiao/Robin combo and some players don't even give a shit about them, cause they might dislike single target units or aren't meta slaves

[@jamesfzy]

@@chaptereight3406 my question to that is what purpose will it serve to rerun characters who hasn't had yet? The company is greedy yes but it is not stupid. People will obviously want high valued units so rerunning those are a win-win. Smack's concern means nothing because he sure as hell ain't preaching to people to pull for those characters like Blade or Ratio. He'll probably make a joke about them instead.

[@CrispBaker]

Smack is being a moron, he's assuming that IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE WITH EMANATORS instead of something they're going to do on a regular basis. His actual issue is with the number of limited characters, but his argument is just "less banners more FOMO" because of wild nonsense he's making up Also you don't need a full FART team for Feixaio to be viable, he's yapping constantly about how YOU MUST HAVE OPTIMAL TEAMS while bringing up new players who won't even know what a "Pure Fiction" is. They're running fourstars and maybe a Clara, they don't need a full meta team they just need a good sustain

[@zetsuei380]

A gacha game being greedy? Noooo…

[@DethPenguin]

​@@CrispBaker They've done 2 giant rerun banners now, and both times it's with a flagship/meta-defining unit debuting on that patch. First Feixiao, and now Therta (+ you could also count Aglaea given she is the first Remembrance DPS). I wouldn't be surprised if the next one is either on or immediately after the Anniversary patch.

[@jupitergaming5146]

As someone who joined HSR later into the games development i've actually been waiting for them to have multiple reruns each phase of a patch, that way (in theory) there are more opportunities for a character to appear again without having to wait almost an entire year

[@squareframe6542]

True in theory. But hoyo will just put bis next to each other so if youre f2p, youre kinda will have to choose only 1 old character only. Someone that failed to get both feixiao and robin back then will have to skip herta or skip them with herta also synergize well with jade and lingsha. Ideal for whales, nightmare for f2p and low spender. Double edge sword from that greedy company.

[@afish4583]

@@squareframe6542tbf is doesn’t make sense for a company to cater to f2p since they aren’t really buying the product.

[@jonathangonzalez3466]

In my humble opinion, I have to agree with MrPokke and say that more banners are a good thing, AS LONG as the following patches (until the game lasts) do the same. That way, instead of waiting for 6 months+ on a character, you would wait 2 months or less.

[@manwhat438]

The thing is we don't know that that's gonna happen consistently. They did it once last year and never again until now

[@atmoszfera6593]

Pretty sure it's not gonna be a permanent thing so it's definietly a bad thing

[@iwanttobemizuharasslave8154]

It is a terrible thing for all of the f2p it is a complete overload of meta characters that shouldn't be together side by side because there is a extreme fomo because they are meta characters. If these characters were spread out across 1 or even rerun banners per half that would be a lot better. Or they could give us more pulls each patch which is highly unlikely because it is hoyoverse.

[@jillstingray8828]

@@iwanttobemizuharasslave8154 "fomo". If this repeats constantly, there is no fomo, you'll have you character every 4 or something patches, maybe less. Think please before you type.

[@ydraw3784]

No it’s bad it’s not good , they do that they going force you to pull and in the future they going be useless like always for that they put that fast reroll and they put the character with his best team mate

[@Grayewicked]

My problem with the "more fomo" argument is it assumes that people would want to pull for everything the devs throw at them, which is absolutely not true. There are people who have pull priorities and people who do not care at all. HE could've just used this as an opportunity to remind players to plan their accounts mindfully, but no. We gotta doompost instead, that's gonna get more traction. 💀

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

this banner system would be cool if they actually reran the characters that have been gone since forever. Like why the fuck is Robin getting another rerun when Seele and Ratio have been gone for more than a year

[@blueblazedemon]

Why tf is lingsha getting a rerun she's still relatively new she literally just came out like 2 or 3 banners back like 2 months ago why get a rerun that fast.

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

@blueblazedemon to increase the FoMo I guess, I really wanted Lingsha for my Firefly team and also wanted to make a Herta team, now I can only get both if Aventurine pulls for me and I get each one in one ten pull

[@redlove8861]

Yep. They forget that Mihoyo reruns only strong units and not weaker units. The Herta and Aglea will probably get a rerun in 3.2 or 3.3.

[@CrispBaker]

Seele is likely waiting on a support that makes her viable like with Sunday and JY. Right now she's just a bad choice

[@CrispBaker]

​@@blueblazedemonthat's why smacks argument is goofy, they aren't going to sit on characters for ages unless they've been powercrept like Seele. No fomo, they'll be back

[@jpkiller115]

Here's what I think Pokke's PoV- I agree with the process of having 2 more banners in the same patch so they'd come by at a sooner or later update, but the prob is they did it to the wrong units. Had it been units from like 1.0-2.0, this wouldn't be a discussion as by now either most players have em or the units themselves have been powercrept to where no one's gonna bother going for.

[@jamesfzy]

@@jpkiller115 you are not wrong but this is better imo. Like you said, most people would already have these units. If you wanted Robin and still do not have Robin after this, that's on you. At the same time, new players have access to the best builds in the game right now so I don't see how it is wrong. Rerunning 1.0-2.0, outside of some who already have theirs in the last 2-3 patches is meaningless because as you said, they're powercrept. People asking for those are mostly people wanting some sense of "fairness" even though 99% of them don't even care. It is about making a statement, the idea of older characters being on reruns because it is their "time" is more important apparently than the actual value of the rerun to them.

[@jpkiller115]

@jamesfzy I can see that logic. Tho these newbies got it a lot better starting off than us vets had 🤣

[@jamesfzy]

@@jpkiller115 yeah, that's the point to make onboarding for newcomers easier. No one in their right mind will be recommending to pull Seele, Ratio or Blade unless you are a mega fan. People asking for those reruns are really just looking at that arbitrary sense of "fairness". Of course I can see why people complain Lingsha is getting rerun this quick. We need a five star premium sustain on 3.0, I think Huohuo would have been a better choice.

[@fluquorsurtr2999]

@@jamesfzy Yes, yours is spot on. So far watching jp vtubers exploiting hoyoverse meta to get instaviews (meaning that do not follow the mechanics of the game), acheron, adventurine and robin destroys everything below lvl 60, which has been reran just this past 3 months. Lingsha is meta for casual players, due to good aoe healing, automatic emergency healing, and good debuffer, especially if the enemy are slow too. Personally if my friend said that he wants to play HSR only for the story, i would only recommend them playing with those units, and only now it comes to mind that lingsha is pretty good too. Huohuo is probably not good enough because of skill point cost too much in compare to lingsha. The secret journalist mode of not breaking level ceiling should be more appreciated, it is recommended a lot to jp vtubers so they do not have to face sudden difficulty spike when they just want to complete story quests.

[@squareframe6542]

​@@jamesfzyHard to say man. Im afarid getting robin and feixiao now is like pulling black swan and kafka back then when they run Feixiao with Robin at the same time. Herta-jade-lingsha synergy makes the fomo strong. If I skip any of them, when will they rerun again and will they rerun at the same time again with new units that synergize well together. I do like triple rerun idea, but when you make it predatory, as an f2p, i can never get them however long it will take since they will just put the units I wait with a whole new shiny team thqt I might or might not like.

[@PyriteZ]

Those people who complain a lot of rerun banners are truly dented. Are you telling me you go to a shopping mall and buy every brand of the potato chips you see? Surely you don't right?

[@Seiibaa]

I'm sorta new to HSR, but when looking into the gacha I heard that they run characters that work well together on the banners and I think that's a normal gacha practice on top of it being generally a good thing. You can save up knowing that you'll be pulling two characters instead of one, or you just get one and get the other on another rerun, and if they have reruns more frequently then it's a much easier choice to make, just get what you want now and then sooner or later you'll get the next character anyway. You can see it as greedy or you can see it as generous as you'll get more options and more chances to get what you want. If people were only saving for the emanator it doesn't really matter if there's one or three extra reruns anyway, and if you were saving for two characters it's great to instantly have a team that's ready to go instead of having to wait for a rerun.

[@GrGalan6464]

Most CCs were literally asking for faster reruns + more options for a while. Because of the ever increasing pool of characters, there is a lot of fomo of having to wait months to years for reruns. And now some CCs are getting mad for having more options to pull for? A 3x increase in rerun speed? Edit: I assumed the quad banners were a permanent change. Regardless, I still think it’s silly complaining about having more options to pull for. Though I completely understand the frustration with having to choose between multiple meta characters.

[@isshonsaha8673]

If Hoyo actually wanted to do what you said, why are Feixiao, Lingsha and Robin getting reran(with this being Robin's second rerun) already when Seele, Blade and Dr. Ratio have been gone forever? Plus they don't do triple rerun banners often, only when it's more convenient for them

[@GrGalan6464]

@ Wait, so it’s just a one off thing, and not a permanent banner system? If so, I take back what I said. I was under the impression that they were permanently increasing the number of rerun banners to 3. I’ve been wanting them to increase it to 2 for a while now, not being a day 1 player.

[@erikomalta1947]

​@@isshonsaha8673 because the latter are useless are worthless characters as for now,so a very low amount of people would pull them. They would be in the rerun just as padding. I prefer cycling to relevant characters for reruns , instead of bombarding the spots with dated ,no value chars

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

I'd prefer if they just had a banner specifically for old characters that you could pull on at any time Hoyo systems are so needlessly convoluted with the absence of players in mind

[@GrGalan6464]

@@LUCAS420BLZ Completely agree. The hoyo banner system feels fine for the first year after release, but becomes a nightmare after the pool of characters grows too large. Especially because they’re so inconsistent with the waits for different reruns.

[@rqplys820]

ma guy arguing against having more choices.

[@blueblazedemon]

More choices isn't always a good thing for a free to play though yeah more choices but you've already planned your pulls now outta nowhere the unit you skipped by force comes around regardless of them being on banner like 2 to 3 updates ago now you're screwed.

[@jamesfzy]

@@blueblazedemon To me it makes no sense what you said. If I'm already saving for a rerun, either I'm getting that or the new unit. It is always going to be this way with every rerun vs new unit. If I want Lingsha, I'm not betting on getting The Herta and saving till 3.1 to hope for a Lingsha rerun and then reconsidering vs Tribbie or Mydei. F2P comes at a cost, I want a lot of units, I can't get them all, I said I wanted Acheron on rerun, well I didn't had enough the second time around and I wanted shinier toys in the horizon. If I really wanted her, I would have gone for it at the expense of future pulls. But personally, if I'm willing to skip once, I'm willing to skip forever.

[@blueblazedemon]

@@jamesfzy it's about timing though usually for a rerun character it would take a few months meaning in that time you can pick up whenever here and there while the unit you skipped slowly comes around then you can plan to pull for that character but it doesn't make sense for hoyo to release a new unit...then have there banner rerun within 2 banners later that messes up people's plans like lingsha she's still relatively new she legit just came like 2 banners back why is she getting a rerun this quick so now your in a messed up spot thinking lingsha would rerun later down the line no she reruns literally 2 banners later and your already prefarming for the herta but now you have to look at 3.1 characters and them potentially having the same 4 banner thing like now what I'm saying is why rerun a character that literally JUST came out one you probably were forced to skip that's grimy fr.

[@jamesfzy]

@@blueblazedemon You're betting against the system. There is not enough pulls for you to pull this gambit, 2, 3 or 5 banners later if you are F2P. If you're thinking to pull here and there while waiting, then the priority is already down low and you're risking it as a F2P against a predatory gacha system. If you hadn't prefarmed, then the priority is low. I had to save for 2 patches to guarantee one 5 star I want, I can't be tempted to pull in those 2 patches no matter what. Like I really wanted Aglaea, but now I may have to skip it for Tribbie. I can save after and hope for the best. Yes rerunning early sucks, but there is always the 2nd go around. More time to save.

[@redlove8861]

Go ahead. Summon for reruns. But dont start complaining when they get powercrept next patch.

[@liquid_cheese9930]

9:14 major versions always have been kind of like dev livestreams. I find it interesting when devs speak about lore of a new region and share some experience in developing it as well as their vision, but I'd prefer if characters and new events were introduced in a different way which is more similar to their regular livestreams with VAs.

[@joshuamanda4834]

the long and the short of gachasmack and pokke's discussion is: "let's see what reruns they do in the future to decide who was right"

[@TheIsahata]

300 stamina cap really good for new players and returners at least, better than not having it I think that's a no brainer

[@jp99gaming14]

I am gonna be honest, I was with Pokke the whole time, because I heard Smack only say : more options for reruns means more fomo. Because the idea behind it wasnt really explained. But luckily at the end, everyone could actually fully explain. And tectone actually said what i thought. If it is well implemented, it is gonna be good thing for the game and future. But only time will tell what actually will happen.

[@CrispBaker]

Smack is trying too hard, emanators aren't a big deal, Jing Yuan is an emanator. We're all pulling Herta because she's a hot keyblade witch, not because of a title. This ain't Genshin and she ain't an Archon.

[@Ilikegames804]

@@CrispBaker 1st of all Jing Yuan ain't no emanator he is just a pathstrider like everyone else Marshal Hua is the emanator

[@anonymous68514]

​@@CrispBaker"we're all pulling Herta because she is a hot bla bla .." Just say for yourself, a fcking horny dude, stop that represent attitude already 😂😂

[@Pandesz12]

@@CrispBaker Wheter you call it Emanator or Archon , his point was that it is a clearly a desired character that the community has been looking forward to and they chose to implement the quad banner system during her first run purely to make you spend more , further proven by re-running FX and Robin in the same phase. You should listen to a man's points before deciding to get hung up on terminology.

[@CrispBaker]

@Pandesz12 there's lots of desired characters. Sunday is a desired character, probably more than Herta because man-pullers are FERAL in this game. Herta isn't special that way. Her exploration ability isn't even that notable as they're adding treasure radar items, so she ain't special that way either. The quad banner is a trial balloon for a more permanent change, and a way to give one last shot at break/followup teams before they move on. It ain't complicated, people are just being weird about it.

[@menzencchi]

damn box looking so good here

[@elitovon2833]

My opinion on the banner system is to let us have these double quad banners every 2 to 3 patches so that not only are we consistently getting more characters but we’ll have a a bit of a pause to save up and see what is available

[@yesbatonas3849]

I want to talk about the reruns like dr. Ration didint had a rerun

[@blueblazedemon]

Because he was given for free and he's pretty mid his damage output won't be able to keep up in 3.0 unless you pull for eidolons which is like wasting your jades.

[@jamesfzy]

This is the type of thing whereby some of these ppl argue because it is for "fairness". Let's be real, unless you're a huge Ratio fan, no one will be pulling for him. People just like to talk about Ratio or Blade not getting rerun because it looks bad not to have a rerun, it is just for show. People who really wanted them are probably just happy to save up till their eventual release. I bet the people making noise don't even care about the reruns, they just want to see rerun come in as clockwork and be like ITS SEELE'S TURN NOW, HOYO and then proceed to be like SEELE RERUN, OK SKIP NICE. Maybe it is to allow themselves more time to save for their desired rerun.

[@choppy3115]

Why would you want ratio when feixiao is literally getting a rerun?

[@traiwooten3711]

​ @blueblazedemon Maybe so but doesn't mean he shouldn't get a rerun what if people wanted to get his lightcone and his E or they just like him.

[@Passionmate77]

Honestly the system would be better if the pity chances increases. I pulled 120 times for Fugue, and i got trash.

[@onlybb3286]

2 characters every patch is overkill, it's OK at the beginning but now is hurting the game

[@early_riser4776]

they literally agree with each other 😭😭

[@stefand439]

why are twitch chats so weird, im not directing this to any cc in general but why are all their chats so weird, can they not formulate their own thoughts? why do they all only know how to say "W" or "L" or an emote? i really don't get it they're so lame, they can't even have their own opinion on anything

[@Overtrigger]

Warning: bald man on screen

[@LucasFernandez-tr3oq]

me that i've been waiting for blade rerun since 1.6, i totally support the new banner sistem, i can finally have blade more often

[@llGowll]

Gacha smacks hot take is definitely a hot take. As someone who buys supply pass, and never got a bp. I have finally started to run out of books, lc xp, running below 10 mil credits, and rn I have 3 characters to build, plus rmc, and the Herta. I'm going to run out of resources as a day 1 player, while my friend who also a day 1 player but buys bp, it'd take him 20+ characters to run out of resources. Also the triple rerun banners work both ways imo. Either you have these triple reruns and be forced to skip a character, then the next rerun you might be forced to skip again, never getting the characters. On the other hand they don't do triple reruns and you don't pull one of the characters and be forced to wait even longer than you would if we had triple banners, then once their rerun come out, a new character coming out around them and guess what, you'll have to skip them again, never getting the character. It's all luck tbh if they rerun with a character you want more you're never getting that character, unless you pay. Now there's some nuances to this, where what if the triple banners made them come out before a new character came out that I'd want more, now you just used jades on a character then right after the new character gets announced that you want more. With the same example but normal reruns, now their rerun comes out after you just spent your jades on the new character that was just announced. The only problem I see with triple reruns every patch is it'll have a HUGE impact on people who spend money too easily and don't have self restraint, so it's very predatory, but as long as you plan ahead, value what you want more, and have self restraint you'll be completely fine. I wish everyone who doesn't have self restraint and still plays gacha games the best of luck to stop before you do something stupid. (Ig I have a degree in yappology)

[@jamesfzy]

@@llGowll at the end of the day, it basically boils down to "I have no self control, I want all these characters and I want the predatory gacha game to pace at my own desire because I want all of the ones I want." No one can ever be satisfied with that mentality. Single rerun or triple reruns, there will always be new characters on the horizon. We are lucky to be dripfed 3.1 banners already so I haven't hard commit to Aglaea of The Herta. Other games can give you less window to plan around new units.

[@zippytrippy3041]

@@jamesfzy this is so true that it made me chuckle while reading

[@LucasFernandez-tr3oq]

15:45 classic lore skipper2 moment

[@Twigggggy]

i feel like the should rerun characters of the same path that is being released so you have options for that role/playstyle

[@seaberrysvideodump9602]

if characters were easier to get then more banners would be good. infact it would probbably be amazing if like 5 chars were on one merged banner but it was easier to get 5 stars. instead of 90 it's like 30

[@z33iihh]

I've been waiting for Robin after losing the 50/50 last time, and now that i have barely enough to get Herta and Aglaea, she of course drops at the same time Aglaea does because shes meta on her team, i love seeing characters i can't get.

[@Fluffycloudie]

The only people who thinks it's bad are people who have poor self-control and lack resource management skills. Only 2 of the characters are new and they're acting like they dont already own some of the reruns??? No one is asking them to pull for more Eidolons, but the people who don't own the characters at least have the chance to get them sooner rather than later. People need to stop blaming things on circumstances rather than their own choices and actions. Also tectone is disrespectful and racist as shit I'd wish you stop giving this narcissist the spotlight.

[@zippytrippy3041]

Seriously true, I was like, "wdym 'unless you spend money'???" You don't have to spend, just pick the one that you need or the one that benefits you the most." This is so that you can have different team setups for different scenarios/fights, fill in the missing spots that you need, and expand on it. MrPokke is right that having more choices is good. Gachasmack has that whale mindset. Just because you can spend money doesn't mean that you should, his statement doesn't apply to everyone.

[@Fluffycloudie]

@zippytrippy3041 exactly. No one is forced to spend. But I also think F2P players have to be realistic with their expectations that they simply won't get all the characters they want and they will need to wait for reruns if they don't get lucky with their pulls. BiS teammates are nice to have but not a must. Sig LCs are nice to have but not a must. Even without BiS teammates and sig LCs, no unit is handicapped and there are good free alternatives. People just need to weigh their options and consider them properly before committing to it instead of spending recklessly then blaming the game for giving them more options.

[@ytwaldan]

Yes, as a light spender myself (only battlpass and monthly pass), I only pull the one that i want. I miss out Lingsha, i have all of her mats and relics prefarm already. But now her rerun came early than expected. I dont want Herta, i want Aglaea. So im just gonna skip Lingsha and wait for her other rerun (hopefully in a dead patch).

[@Fluffycloudie]

@@ytwaldan yeah same I only buy the monthly pass and have been able to get all the characters that I want except 1. It's all about prioritizing what is best and going with that and it's not like we won't get the character eventually, just not immediately. It's not a big deal.

[@afish4583]

Asking gacha players to be mindful with their money - now that’s asking far too much.

[@SlaineReigns]

Why is everyone not understanding Gacha Smack. For me as a bp, monthly pass, and occasional 100$ spender the problem stems from getting multiple rerun chara is that it will take AGES before these characters come back again. We're talking 3-6months here before they come back, and thats if youre lucky they rerun the specific char youre looking for. If youre a new player yeah good for you, you can pick whoever you want. But for people like me who looks for specific characters and plans ahead, its horrible.

[@Pandesz12]

I feel like he did a great job articulating his point that quad banners would be alright if they were permanent and they wouldn't deliberately pair up meta units who share a core synergy in the very same phase. I guess people just chose to not understand and turn a blind eye over hoyo picking and choosing when to drop quad banners and blindly defend the game , guess we are getting genshin-fied.

[@logandashiell2584]

I think it's a good thing, 4 banners per patch will make it easier to build the teams you want to play. It sounds mostly like Gacha Smacks concern is that this will make people feel like they need to spend more to get characters sooner, but those characters will also rerun faster and more often.

[@xXMasterJ360Xx]

As a returning player... 4 banners of characters I don't have is super helpful. Do this for Genshin too

[@Shikyouu]

what happen here is basically HSR solve the chronicle wish problem but they don't want to admit that hoyo can do a better pulling system than genshin 😂😂😂😂

[@amari7782]

I mean both systems are garbage in general, hoyos banner systems haven’t been that great because they don’t push out more permanent characters to balance out the roster.

[@Shikyouu]

@amari7782 its hoyo you can't ask for a better solution

[@amari7782]

@ true

[@hungang2040]

I will say this. They are rerunning more characters ONLY BECAUSE all of them will be powercreep in the next 3 patches. Therefore, they must do it fast to get the most money possible and cash out on them. And then when the NEW STRONGER META unit come out, those outdated units will never appear again (Seele, Blade for now, many for later). The hoyoshills coping :"We gonna get that character rerun ealier!! It's a good thing!!". WRONG. THE OLD UNITS WILL NEVER GET A RERUN, ONLY META UNITS WILL CAUSE THEY MAKE SELL WELL. Quote me when Seele and Blade get their banner again ok? Hoyoshit is so greedy and I truely feel sad for you hoyoshills out there.

[@ethel7368]

dr ratio never got a rerun since 1.6

[@chrisissleepin8251]

eh, not everyone is a meta slave so the argument that they get the character they want sooner still stands.

[@projectmoonsleeperagent]

Putting this here as a reminder

[@TacticalDimples]

@@chrisissleepin8251 has nothing to do with meta slave. If you have favorite units, you’d want to pull for characters that can make them better, no? Pulling for the best units isn’t always being a meta slave lmao. I built Himeko day one and still try to make her work til this day… and guess what? That means getting Firefly for implant or Fugue for follow-up shenanigans…

[@QueenMarika1101]

*not everyone is a meta slave* and then they will complain that they cant clear some contents 😂

[@joshuajones4048]

hsr has 30 limited 5 stars before 3.0 brings in 2 more, with 8 patches a year only getting 2 reruns = 16 characters, its not that complicated guys they have to have more reruns for people to get the characters they want or they can do it like genshin and have a 2 year wait for shenhe rerun, if your comming in a game 3 years late as f2p and want to get all the meta teams i mean good luck f2ps been playing from day 1 and dont have all the characters(me), so its a w/e point f2p players have to make choices of what they want even more so if they aint day 1 players, also the needs more trailers point comming from the same people glazing 2.0 livestream which was just the white night trailer is just funny to me, hsr and hoyo games in general have never just put all their trailers / hype on their livestreams they have their videos come out daily b4 the patch launches aka demos/myriad celestias etc, livestreams are essentially for people who dont look at leaks which isnt the people complaining btw lol, so the main point is a 2 talk about upcomming story/characters/events but if u already know it all from leaks its obv going to be boring

[@equinox2909]

When grown ass men talk about their hobbies, they're so passionate about it, so refreshing.

[@muzammilnasir8460]

I've failed to get robin twice while having her be my main goal ,Not something like if I get her im happy and each time I've had to sacrifice on other units .So no i don't think this provides more choice . Also im a day one player so ive had access to every free resource since launch and im still barely able to get a single character per patch ,So the so called more choice just leaves me with less time to prepare for the ''what if i lose the 50/50'' situation . Another thing people are not seeing is what if you lose the 50/50 now you cant get the character you are going for or the one you sacrificed and you are not going to wait 3 patches for the same character and will settle for any one of the next two upcoming characters even if they may not be the highest appeal to you just so you have something new regarding the content or mechanics in the game .

[@kennethyoung7457]

If you failed to get Robin twice than you spent the jades on someone else you got a character if you refuse to save for characters you want you just won't get them. You shouldn't be relying on 50/50 to get character you saved for. When I save for a character I get them every time because I save for the guarantee not the 50/50. I'm skipping Fugue and 3.0 entirely to get Tribbie. I will have more than enough to guarantee if I win 50/50 great but no reason to risk pulling on another character before her and ruining it.

[@muzammilnasir8460]

@kennethyoung7457 this is no longer a viable for anyone to save for essentially two character. This has been become harder than 1.0 days were I did save like this but now it is completely unviable,rerun are inherently ingrained by the concept for two for one deal , For you to at all times have to have enough currency for two characters that's unrealistic when the game needs you push the new mechanics . And if I need leaks to know whether the next triple banner will have both the characters I want down the road after two or so patches I can't reliably start to save up in good faith , then that's not a me issue that's the game being predatory and me using unfair methods to circumvent the cost of the companies decision

[@kennethyoung7457]

​@@muzammilnasir8460 The problem you're having is you want too many characters so you will never have enough jades. 2 patches of saving = one character if you lose 50/50 if you decide you want 2 characters you better save for 4 patches at the very least. Thats how the game has worked since launch but you can ensure you get a couple of ones you really want beyond that its up to luck and money.

[@muzammilnasir8460]

@@kennethyoung7457 4 patches is half a version cycle i.e almost from 2.0 to 2.3 the amount of possible things or characters that appear can't be taken lightly even if you don't want a support you have to get them like jiaoqiu for Acheron otherwise you can't maintain your teams so it not a matter of like some characters you are forced to get if you wanna keep up with difficulty increases

[@kennethyoung7457]

@@muzammilnasir8460 If you wanted Acheron with Jiaoqiu you could easily do that Acheron was in 2.1 and Jiaoqiu in 2.4 more than enough time to get them. Robin was in 2.2 and Feixiao in 2.5 again enough time to get both. Plenty of f2p players are still clearing the content and theres plenty of showcases showing 1-2 cost teams still clearing content. If you have worse possible luck in the universe and can never win 50/50 and take 180 pulls to get anything you can still clear the content with cope teams. If you pull new dps like Aglaea they will clear with free characters easily. I'm not saying theres no powercreep but if someone just want to clear content than they can if they make the effort.

[@NiaTheMilkTank]

Both Pokke and Gachasmack are correct more so Gachasmack because he isnt pretending it isnt predatory, it is, its how they make so much money monthly. That being said The amount of Jades per patch NEEDS to increase PERIOD. its still the same since 1.0 with NO RERUNS!!!!!!!!! side note. the Trailblazing Power cap increase to 300 is pointless because it doesnt mean we are getting faster energy.... it just means we can eep or work like what 6 more hours before the conversion into the other version? Thats like nothing tbh the best thing they did was raise the Herta Orb/sphere coins cap. What we really need is a massive increase in the Relic slots AGAIN! We need a skip WE NEED 3 TEAM ENDGAME CONTENT!

[@GMan345ism]

So basically... Pull for Robin Pull for E1 Robin Pull for E6 Robin Pull for E6 S5 Robin

[@wrath98]

Rappa’s banana quest. That shit was cheeks

[@JoePWI]

They are thinking too much in the sense of meta. An overwhelming majority does not care about it. Having characters rerun more often is more F2P friendly under any circumstance imaginable. If you personally feel pressured to pull everything and have omega meta teams from start to finish..well, that is 100% a "you-problem" and you will not put your lack of control onto someone else. Take responsibility. That is the issue these days, cause instead of doing just that, taking responsibility, anyone blames anyone and anything else that is not themselves. You are not being held at gunpoint, being forced to pull for everything. That's what I would say to those being critical about the reruns.

[@shutup1037]

Pulling rerun then having them not even got used because every content gonna shill new char is not a good game. The reason players exodus from HI3

[@JoePWI]

@shutup1037 you still dont need those characters to play the game. That is purely your own decision.

[@shutup1037]

@@JoePWI "dont need" yea if you only play the easy story mode

[@Carnaj90]

It's only F2P friendly if they aren't stacking the best combos together all at the same banner and decide to spread them out instead so F2P can actually plan their pulls for horizontal investment well. I'd rather be able to spend 400 F2P pulls over 5+ months than 200 F2P pulls in 1 month.

[@obscuree2071]

This is exactly what I'm thinking too! From F2P's perspective this is advantageous as they have more choices to pick while they know they couldn't pull them all. There's no pressure to pull every characters but if you're a CC and feel like the need to collect them all, that's their own issue. It's really up to the individual themself smh. What I would consider greedy is if they bring 2 or more new characters within the same 2 weeks time limit in 1 patch.

[@umbralflow6883]

I think with the new banner system lets player not worry about skipping as the character will come back more often.

[@kevingraham4736]

this.

[@blueblazedemon]

Also giving you less time to save for jades if your a free to play you want a rerun character oops looks like the new unit your interested in has to be skipped unless you get really lucky it's literally a double edged sword.

[@Dew-b8b]

​@@blueblazedemon If you need the game to space out banners so you don't uncontrollably spend more than you should, that's a you problem not the game's problem. All the game is doing is providing more options more frequently, it's your job to set priorities and plan out accordingly. You don't have enough saved when the rerun comes? Then fukn skip and wait for the next rerun because even that will come sooner than the original rerun schedule.

[@blueblazedemon]

@@Dew-b8b what I'm saying is it's a time thing yes more options are good but what I don't get is them rerunning a character that is relatively still new like lingsha say you wanted lingsha but were forced to skip you would think lingsha would come around months later no shes rerunning now she literally just came out like 2 banners ago why is hoyo giving a rerun to a unit that was JUST here 2 banners ago now look...you planned to go for herta or aglaea but they reran lingsha out of nowhere if your completely free to play you have one of 3 options to get now that's my thing why rerun a unit that is still relatively new.

[@redlove8861]

But its the same characters getting rerun. Why is it Robin again? Feixiao and Lingsha just recently had a banner not long ago. Where is Seele, Blade, Luocha and Dr.Ratio?

[@Ben-v6z3s]

When none of their opinions actually matter 😂

[@Ben-v6z3s]

Wasting time with this video

[@blueblazedemon]

In short just give us more jades if there gonna pull this 8 banner crap because if your free to play realistically you can only pull two things of what you want

[@So_Viet8032]

Is there any gacha that works like that?

[@blueblazedemon]

@So_Viet8032 I mean guardian tales does ☠️

[@EncoreBesti]

​@blueblazedemon who the fck plays guardian tales😂😂

[@choppy3115]

They're giving out an extra free 10 pull + there's gonna be plenty of options for earning jades through the new world

[@HackboyPlays]

​@@choppy3115 Honestly still not enough considering it's a whole new set of characters with the region, they could've increased it to 30 free pulls on log-in in minimum since the game has already been out for quite some time

[@cristiannovoaaraya7202]

Oye y nadie habla de la copia a los ADS a lo Wuwa que metieron cerca del cierre en el stream? Jaja fue tan hilarante e incluso algunos se veían tan mal hechos que se notaba que fue un proyecto de última hora para agregarlos ahí.

[@markgruner5812]

CC's have so much brainrot they can't even stand to hear any kind of dialogue or speaking without subway surfer in the corner of their screens.

[@karinkanzuki5512]

Tectone problematic but not playing that much

[@So_Viet8032]

I wonder why he is even in that debate

[@EncoreBesti]

😂

[@Atz888]

Everyone was comparing Jjkpp to hsr and praising them for being so “generous” and for having good pity. and now hsr has a new banner system and they shitting on the game now saying they “greedy”

[@CrunchMunchzx]

“3.0 livestream in 60 seconds” looking fire🔥

[@So_Viet8032]

The funniest thing is that the banners is the only thing they didn't like for real

[@wisefelipe]

Star Rail is the first gacha I play somewhat seriously, so I'm always imprrssed by how low quality many gacha content creators are. Not to mention the will do ANYTHING for an extra dollar lol

[@andx19zkz49]

The re-run argument is dumb because by their same logic you would never hit the re-run banner because you will always go for the new character, the re-run only benifts those that don't want to get the new character, three choices isn't bad.

[@hydreigon2709]

Either you have multiple reruns per patch or you end like genshin where you're waiting for characters reruns for over a year.

[@MurakamiTenshi]

Let's get rerun banner for characters who've never had it FIRST, before we go into reruns for others who've had it at least 2-3 time already. Where's Dr. Ratio, Blade, Luocha, etc ???

[@afish4583]

@@MurakamiTenshi it’s just bc very few ppl would actually pull on those reruns /: I’m sure once HP drain is meta again blade and Loucha will get a rerun

[@Leezy1993]

Smack's whole FOMO take is just L. Come on now, if someone is a FOMO, he/she is just gonna roll for every unit on their first release banner. Let's say for Firefly banner where they release RM together with her. Instead of RM banner, they release Jing Yuan instead. Those people who doesnt have RM pulled for firefly and realized their firefly is whole ass weaker without RM. They went to see the rotation banner for more options, GUESS WHAT, IT's JING YUAN BANNER. Tell me, how would you feel if you are in this situation. 99% of you will think this way: 1. Great, now I have to wait for god knows how long for them to release RM so I can optimize Firefly. 2. HOW HOYO SO STUPID TO PUT A FKING IRRELEVANT BANNER WITH FIREFLY!?!? 3. BOTH.

[@Pandesz12]

4th , you won't be able to afford RM after pulling Firefly unless you presaved 2 patches ago , thus validating his point of them making you spend. Sit down with your aggressive as tone.

[@TieflingUnshackled]

As someone who has been waiting for 7 MONTHS for a Silver Wolf because she's my favorite character we NEED more rerun banners the more rerun banners to roll through reruns. NORMAL PEOPLE ALREADY DON'T GET BOTH RERUN + NEW CHARACTER + LIGHTCONE WE CANNOT BE FUCKING WAITING FOR LIKE A YEAR FOR A CHARACTER. part of the important idea is self control on not swiping. THE GAMBLING ARGUMENT DOESN'T CHANGE IF THERE IS 1 OR 3 RERUNS. PEOPLE WHO WILL SWIPE WILL SWIPE EVEN IF THERE'S MORE. Part of a HEALTHY way to play ga has is self control.

[@ElderGamerX]

Reruns barely matter unless they release bad new characters, because people will rarely want an older, power crept character when they can get a new, meta oriented one. Especially since they stack characters with synergy to encourage spending. Extra banners would be way more exciting if they put characters in the standard pool after they're a year old, or after 1-2 reruns, and added more standard pulls as rewards for mundane tasks like exploration.

[@G221-p7m]

And one more thing hoyo please stop spoil the Boss please just stop it.

[@amari7782]

Blame leakers

[@Ghalion666]

I feel like Smack is thinking short term, Mr. Pock is thinking long term. If Hoyo makes it so there are 6 reruns every patch, I think it's a win and is actually nicer to f2p people. If they decide it's a 1 off or whatever than smack is right. If this is a permanent change, the whole crying about it happening during an emanator release is just a dumb point overall IMO. I passed on Acheron btw, and while it made 2.x harder, I still managed to fully 3 star clear everything but a PF once. I do plan on getting Herta, but nothing to do with her being an Emanator, I just like her character and based on PF being the one thing I failed in, erudition is probably a safe thing to invest in too. As for all 6 reruns, I don't care about any of them even though I don't have Robin either (I hate the singer theme, and don't like how she over-rides battle music).

[@caribbeanstrawhat]

Star rail is a gambling game at the end of the day. More bannners being ran at the same time means a higher risk of people falling into the addiction of pulling our their wallets to get the character they want RIGHT NOW comparead to waiting and saving up. People love instant gratification. Hoyo knows what they're doing.

[@itbh5753]

This isn’t their first time doing this tjo didn’t they try this in 2.5? I thought it was pretty neat since I was able to choose different 5 stars that would probably take longer to rerun due to the meta change and how they’re become less popular (like seele)

[@firestar6]

Now even with how generous Star rail is compared to Genhsin it is pretyy messed uo to have two new characters and then 4 character reruns at a time like how

[@Twigggggy]

they need to increase the amount of relics you cam have

[@afish4583]

There’s pros and cons - on one hand if u can’t get herta bc u need robin there’s a higher chance herta will rerun faster so you can comfortably skip her now. But it depends on who they rerun. In the other hand it makes no sense for the company to NOT try to encourage people to spend. They’re trying to sell products after all. While it’s bad for low/f2p spenders it’s only a positive in the companies eyes if they can get players to shell out cash. (As a mostly f2p) f2p are not exactly customers in the sense that actual spenders are, so we can’t really expect them to cater to us. From a whales perspective, running characters with their BiS is probably a positive since they can get that team running right away. Like it or hate it that’s capitalism Ultimately this is a game where GAMBLING is a core part of the game play. I feel like this really only affects ppl who rlly fall for FOMO. Realistically most characters are skips, bc even if Feixiao and Boothill are strong DPS, it’s better to get the new DPS bc current content will be catered to them.

[@NeoKhai]

Persona 4 music made me sub. good shit

[@Kolby-qj5qj]

Why is pokke talking as though there’s no 50/50 loss or I’m I the only who losses their 50/50s

[@Entharias]

On one side, i like that they rerun more characters, i might not be able to get them, but at least i know that they will come back in rotation faster (i'm mostly f2p, very very low spender at best), on the other side, putting Lingsha+Jade rerun on Herta's banner, ho boy. PS: If you plan on getting Herta and are worried about needing Jade, you don't, she's not her BiS erudition (outside of PF but let's be honest, Herta will solo that shit anyway), just use your free Serval until a new, proper, Erudition ''support'' comes along the way.

[@marky-poo3580]

They actually have the same point, just they have different views of the company lmao

[@Gaeul-j3j]

Bro seriously Pokke’s chat is so damn irritating like I am 100% convinced they are underage kids

[@Stoned_GooglyEyes]

Tbh I think 3.0 having multiple banners is good for newer players. 3.0 is meant to bring in new players since it’s the beginning of the next big arc and what not and having more character options to pull is a good thing for them because it lets them see which characters they like or dislike and want to play with.

[@Stoned_GooglyEyes]

24:53 I don’t understand Gachasmacks point, Pokke is right it won’t make a difference. There will always be a new shiny toy everyone wants, it won’t make a difference if Fei Xiao or robin comes out in 2 patches or 4 patches because there will be a cool new character to pull too. It’s your critical decision on if you want the new toy or the rerun character, it doesn’t matter if it’s emanator or not because lore wise emanator scaling and gameplay wise they aren’t Particularly stronger or weaker than other characters. After we get another 3.0 dps it will be comparable to The herta anyway.

[@alid.andrada2569]

I'd say that's even worse for new players as a spender given how bad powercreep is in HSR. Its always safe to say that you should pull for the latest character because good luck clearing new content with characters from 1 or more major patches behind and if a new player gets tempted to pull an old unit they get screwed by having no resources and FOMO comes in then they'd most likely either spend or just drop the game because you don't know how many patches does your rerun unit stay viable

[@razofjhgrdc]

1st they give you more choice… when that success then they will make 2 new limited in the same phase and more choice in the 2nd phase …

[@Hiros2137]

more banners.. no more 4 stars....

[@Zelphyn]

I agree with Mr. Pokke.I think box2 and Smack took this change too negatively. Would they prefer if the devs just didn't do this and release one rerun unit instead? I think it's the CCs are the ones being greedy this time. The devs gave a little bit extra by releasing more rerun banners but they're angry because they want to pull for all of them but they can't, and thus, getting angry and frustrated. Bro, just have self control and skip.

[@DerillPlays]

Skipped button is a waste. Instead of that, just give me animated cutscene for the entire story scenes.

[@phillizeigtnilli]

I get it more, that it doesnt make Sense to Put 4 Main Playerbase charackters in one Phase. Just Put 1 new Charackter with 1 other Charackter, and then next Month Put 2 rerun Charackters. It was Always this and It was fine.😅

[@luckytako633]

I mean HSR is near its 3 year mark while Wuwa has only been out for 7 months. Don't you think we're just getting used to or have seen more out of star rail that we think the presentation for 3.0 is just mid? Maybe it's because Wuwa is still something new and refreshing (given how the devs run their game) that we compare it to Star Rail who's been out for a significantly longer time that we feel that "this livestream is meh", "man this events are mid", etc. because maybe we've repeatedly seen the pattern over and over that it feels old now. 8 Banners in 1 patch is greedy. Especially when all the banners in one half have synergies that's just greedy as hell.

[@kamrancruz2742]

Im just echoing the sentiment Im already seeing in the comments, but imo hoyo should permanently adopt the multiple banner rerun system, as long as its still only one limited unit at a time, as hsr did. In gacha games theres generally three systems for reruns, either they are scheduled and you always know when a event is coming back (as it is in Azur Lane for example, rerun after two years twice, then added to permanent pool, shop etc.), units are added to the standard pool permanently after the event (Nikke) or they just do it at random like hoyo. I feel the worst system, for the consumer, is definitely the hoyo system. A lot of my genshin friends complain their favorite units take over a year to rerun and some take 2 months. If you add lots of reruns, missing characters you want becomes less punishing, but that would mean less people impulse buy gems so yeah well see if they do that…

[@daebaksiot5154]

i do agree with them, more rerun is more choices and faster rotation but if they rerun a peanut butter jelly characters, then it's similar to genshin now. Pokke calls out genshin for doing that but praise hsr for doing the same thing is certified hsr shill move😂.

[@VersusHearts]

"The House is in control when they rerun 3 characters!" Brother...the house is in control when its only 1 character reran. Pokke is absolutely right and Smack just wants to complain just to complain. Oh no! More choices during rerun cycles so the characters can be rerun more often! How terrible of them to reduce the fomo for current and new players. What a dumbass Gacha Smack take.

[@Pandesz12]

Reduce FOMO by introducing a quad banner every 3 or 4 patches along with an anticipated character? Or helping out the new players by pairing up core synergy units like Feixiao and Robin in the same phase? Sometimes i have to wonder if you people even think before posting word vomit like this out. If quad banners were a consistent thing then maybe you would have a case until then , it is , just as it was with the previous quad banner , a cashgrab devoid of any intent of keeping the player's interest in mind.

[@tyrilliamoon5237]

heres the problem with HSR its a meta game, you need to pull for the new characters because they are meta, if you pull for old characters, you will fall behind if they rerun 1.0 characters for example, that is not a win for people, those characters aren't good anymore same goes for 2.0 characters etc HSR is known to powercreep, one character being good now doesn't mean they will be good in the future example: jingliu, blade SW etc

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

Not everyone is a meta slave my dude, some don't even care about clearing endgame content, they enjoy their own pacing and there's nothing wrong with that.

[@lsmsm9]

so by your logic if you're a meta player you're not pulling on reruns anyway, so whats the problem? LMAO u didnt put much thought into this one

[@amari7782]

@@idontspeakjapanese6289it’s not about pacing and it’s never been the case. The problem is that if you want your characters to work to their best you need to pull for meta characters. The problem isn’t s that if people want to play what they want they need to roll for these characters to actually get their best teams otherwise you get fucked, it doesn’t matter if person A just throws a bunch of bs together and claims their having fun. HSR as a game doesn’t have interest enough kits to really get away with this so a lot of it would just be people pretending some slightly cute Strat is fun while they’re too busy dying to hp bloated mobs

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

@@amari7782 Some people are having fun at their own pacing and couldn't give a fuck about the meta, look at me as an example my team is very very old consisting of the premium DOT team and the hyper carry team with Jingliu and Blade, the only meta character I have is Ruan Mei and Aventurine, I don't even have Robin yet I am clearing content. I am just here waiting for Jingliu's rerun so that I can get her to E6 like my Kafka and yes I plan to skip the upcoming characters because I have my own goals and couldn't give a shet about meta. There are a few of us who are not meta slaves compared to you folks

[@nikyuut]

Not everyone is playing endgame content dude, you can relax now.

[@Marbeary]

Box2 is the fly on the wall here. Also hoyo already did this in HI3 when they release the 3 herschers it was chaos pulling for who it was annoying but ever since then I dont even care if I get it I get if not try next rerun

[@elderroll4017]

2 of them are not even playing gi anymore 😅. im not playing gi also that much. only log in once in a while, like 1-2 in a month, less than 30mins per session, for the last couple of months. even other hoyo games, im not that active anymore. im busy playing other games. anyway, wait for wuwa to do the same. & let's see how smack will find excuse & praise kuro again. 😅

[@dapper-alcremie460]

I’m probably a minority here but I don’t care for 3.0 at all and the 8 banner thing was just the nail in the coffin for me, you can’t do that many characters at a time it just cycles too fast

[@Pandesz12]

There are more people who share that sentiment than you would think , 3.0 barely has any hype , them dropping quad banners with every anticipated character only to dip back to 1 rerun the next patch , artificially moving new meta characters to rerun faster making you unable to plan long term and not to mention the drop in story quality with all this incessant yapping , man i loved this game at launch , it sucks they dropped the ball this hard.

[@OuroborosGhoul]

I love watching a bunch of grown men arguing about a gotcha game for no reason. Why do you care what people spend money on the only one that’s sitting there enjoying argument the bald Jesus. In my opinion, people can spend their money on whatever they want. All they’re doing is giving you more options for different characters. You don’t have to buy them. You don’t have to pull for them. It’s your choice. It’s not like they’re holding a gun to your head. I feel like the argument is nonnecessary why start an argument over something that’s just I’m sorry normal to me. I’m a casual player. I see a character I’m able for it. If I don’t want it I don’t get it. It is what it is

[@fujiyamapanic]

Robin had now how many reruns? I still havent pulled for her. Cuz I dont feel like I want or need her. Same for the pig woman. What kind of player wants to pull for every single character that gets released? Sounds like a content creator issue. Not a regular player issue.

[@xXMasterJ360Xx]

Its a whale problem b/c they already maxed the rerun characters. So they get nothing new and have to wait . The reason we are getting more banners at the same time is b/c ppl have quit the game for having to wait half a year for a rerun of a specific character. That is the main issue in most gacha's today. The more new characters we get the longer the rerun wait we have to deal with.

[@nkth4626]

Is it just me or Gacha keeps cutting off and talking over Mr Pokke? And how is it HSR should accommodate someone’s feeling of FOMO?

[@Kazeahi]

Ima be the one "special" kid in this comment section, since my opinion is very much different from the majority, but I find the whole "Having more Options" argument bad. I'm a f2p, so when two or synergistic characters come out same patch, it hurts me and forces me to rely on luck since they aren't giving out more rewards per banner. It's even worse when you throw in a character I want into the mix. I want to get feixiao and Robin's lc, but I also want The Herta. And don't say "You could've saved through the patches!" No, I wanted Sunday for my Jing Yuan, and also wanted Rappa bc her design is amazing. If I don't get enough pulls for at least one 50/50 and one guaranteed, I'm basically cooked every patch if they do more triple reruns.

[@Pandesz12]

You are not special in any one negative way , it completely blows my mind how there are people advocating for a system that actively fucks them over. It used to be that we could plan ahead on which rerun to save for and now they just move 2 months old characters to the top of the rerun list just to make you want to spend since they are running next to their synergies.

[@QueenMarika1101]

as much as i dont like smack but this time hes right

[@DaddySenpai35]

I think ppl blowing this out of proportion I get that two Emanators are in one patch but that's not for you all who have every single character in the game it's for new and returning ppl who have not had an opportunity to get Feixao or lingsha or robin 3 of the best ATM now u don't have to pull for all of them of them just the ones you like I came back around I think it was agenti and jade and only pull yunli in the 2nd phase because I liked her counter style and just saved all my jade's I got and pulled Feixao and Robin and then Topaz and Aventurine on his rerun I was gonna get firefly bit then I saw The Herta and was like ok cools ama save for her as much as I want lingsha for her team as an f2p I may not get her before she goes away and that's just how it is most of these guys speaking from their perspective they with their need too pull all the characters when ur f2p u gotta spend smart spend on what your account needs like me in pure fiction I struggle so ama get The Herta to help me out with it and hopefully if lingsha gets a rerun in the future will grab her or who knows maybe a better abundance will come around. They are just creating unnecessary drama.

[@fujiyamapanic]

This guy that kept non stop interrupting the other guy has flawed logic. He says if unit A B C D get rerun at the same time, you wanna get them all but dont have the resources to do so. Yet the time inbetween the unit you wanna get is shorter if there are 4 instead of 2 units run at the same time. If I want Unit A B but dont need C D, I get only unit A, dont have enough for B, I just wait till they come back. Now when will I have to wait longer? Lets say I have to wait 6 weeks between banners. Next banner is C D (dont need them, I want A B), next E F, next G H, I J, K L, M N,... now I get A B again. That is 7 times 6 weeks. 10 months till my unit comes back. Sure I will have enough to pull them then. But you want me to wait 10 months? If we get 4 instead of 2 banners in each 6 week cycle, that is simple maths. I wait for 5 months. In that example. Pretty sure you can save enough to get a unit within 5 months. Also the whole game is a cuck fest for f2p players. Does really not matter what a f2p player situation is. Having more reruns is better. I am waiting for a Silver Wolf rerun. When is that gonna happen?

[@Pandesz12]

Never because they will run Robin three more times before Silver Wolf , completely ignoring any sort of expectancy relative to release order , not to mention them swapping back to one rerun next patch just like after the first quad banner that people were coping on just like now.

[@Bakasta247]

I know 20 people will be able to afford all 8 characters

[@kennethyoung7457]

3.0 is my skip patch I think its the first patch in a while I've skipped completely since 1.6. I already got Feixiao, Robin and Lingsha I never wanted Jade or Boothill to begin with and Silver Wolf has just aged really badly now which is a shame.

[@iceiceyelo06]

Both pokke and smack is correct on this. I understand the point of smack and same as pokke.

[@mistress3847]

Box being on vacation after that 9 hour stream... Bro traumatized me not Miside Okay I'll consider Gacha Smack's points again. He's been saved.

[@Planeta1951]

There is no "skip and summarize" button in game, because summarizing nonsensical dialogues that take 60% of screen time is really hard to do.

[@VersusHearts]

Gacha Smack always having an L take.

[@ultramanvoid8730]

may ik whats the bgm for this vid ? sounds like persona

[@Trapp7]

Every Asian CC has subtly attacked westerners😭 smack was right!!