What kind of moron carpets a woodworking shop floor????

[@MakeSomething]

I have carpet squares and purchased a ton of extra in case of spills. Turns out I don't care about the spills and just let the stains be. Welcome to this amazing club!

[@StumpyNubs]

Our club needs a secret handshake.

[@MukYJ]

Something involving shuffling your feet and shocking the heck out of the other person. ;)

[@prestonfeivor5488]

About to join the gang!

[@rodbarnes273]

I had a carpeted garage once. I used the old carpet from the house when i replaced it. Worked out well except every time i crawled under a car i got sleepy😴. It was warm too and much more comfortable than laying on concrete.

[@mr.anderson70]

One of my first shops was carpeted. By "shop" I mean unit 364 in the Foxfire Apartment complex. :)

[@GFStodtmeister]

I have a short pile carpet in my shop and I love it (though a lot of friends have questioned my sanity). Messes clean up nicely, except metal shavings from the drill press or stains from stains or paint. In the case of metal shavings, I place a piece of 1/4" plywood around my drill press. I do the same thing for paints and stains. I also think it helps dampen machine and construction noise, as well as providing protection for falling tools. Try it - you'll like it.

[@paulnord2013]

I just carpeted my shop last weekend. Rubber super short nap squares. Its awesome. Its actually much easier to clean than when I had individual floor mats because there's no nooks and crannies. As for dust I think it's actually better because it doesn't kick up the dust when you walk around, and it didn't get slippery like concrete with sawdust on it.

[@erikgranqvist3680]

In my youth I did construction cleaning (90's). There was some serious investigation about carpets around then, since the sensus here in Sweden was that they are terrible. The result? Even in hospital corridors, carpets was not an issue per say from a health point of view. Given that you does some cleaning on a regular basis, a carpet could actually keep the amount of dust in the air down, compared to something like a hard floor. The carpet hold dirt and dust in place untill you go over it with the vaum cleaner, but if you have a hard floor every step will kick up whatever is on the floor into the air.

[@TheProjectHelpDesk]

Industrial carpet is awesome. The biggest concern in a work shop in my opinion is finish spills as you mentioned. We use carpet squares in part of our basement for that same reason. Built in padding and self adhesive. If one gets messed up then just pick it up and drop a new one in. Only takes about 2 mins.

[@StumpyNubs]

A drop cloth is an easy solution for finish spills. I like the canvass ones rather than the plastic.

[@tomas5376]

Couldn’t agree more. I covered my linoleum shop floor with Harbor Freight’s Anti-Fatigue Foam Mats and then placed carpet in front of my work bench. Like livin’ on a cloud!👍✌️😊🙏🏼⚒⚒⚒

[@The78bluedevils]

Carpet squares are good for taking a quiet naps on hot days in the shop

[@StumpyNubs]

Worked for us in kindergarten.

[@petermenningen338]

Two used Yoga Mats help for the Princesses One for a pillow and the other for more comfort. LOL ;-)) us older people need more cushioning

[@jameslester6785]

I had the same type of carpet in my previous shop. I miss it in my current shop and agree with all the points you made. So much nicer to walk and stand on.

[@bjr2940]

I just had a 12 X 20 shed built and when I was trying to decide what to put down for flooring I remembered seeing this video. I should have watched it again and got the squares but I found some cheep carpet at the blue store for 55 cents a square foot. Since my floor was wood I stapled it down and since I don't move my tools around much it shouldn't be a problem. If I need to replace it I will get the squares next time. Thanks for the great video.

[@jamaxit]

Thank you for sharing James! I’ve been debating about doing this for years in my garage shop. As I get in my mid fifty’s, I can tell you from experience your feet and knees will thank you. Now comes the hard part of finding a block of time where I can empty my shop 😝

[@trudi1962]

My workshop is carpeted with tiles. When I saw the title of this video I thought you were going to talk me into removing it! I love it. Glad you agree.

[@johncard7203]

I moved my workshop from our garage to our basement, which is carpeted. It is an indoor/outdoor carpet glued to the concrete floor, like you would find on a porch or patio. I wasn't about to remove it all, so I gave it a shot. I agree with all your points about a carpeted shop, however, I use an ordinary carpet vacuum, the shop vac for larger messes. My wife got a new one for upstairs, so I got the old one. It works good. Thanks for sharing your tips and tricks.

[@patrickc1508]

I would have never considered it. I can see the pro’s outweighing the cons as long as you are just woodworking. If you do anything else, I wouldn’t ever consider it. Metal shavings, oil, grease, fire, mud, dirt, etc.

[@SteveZodiac777]

Having read the title of this video and having carpet in my own woodworking workshop for the past 6years I was expecting to have to write in and defend my mental state! I appreciate the comfort that the carpet provides - no downside for me. .

[@stillkickin3919]

My shop is pretty small. I guess I could use the remnant of a 2x2 square for something. ;>

[@MillisConstruction]

My new 24 x 30 shop is all glue down commercial carpet. I was worried at first but it cleans super easy and you’re right, tools even my Sawstop PCS roll on it just fine. Big bonus to audio recording for my you tube videos too! No echoing in there 😁

[@mohdalisyed]

I am impressed with your reasoning! True that you are not rolling around while lying down. It's a workshop. And it certainly looks better than a concrete floor!!!

[@randyphillips2263]

Turn a fleet of Roombas loose at night.

[@johngreco7171]

A workshop-grade roomba would be pretty neat. more powerful and with a larger capacity, built like a low-profile shop-vac.

[@OutOfNamesToChoose]

'Ride of the Valkyries' starts to play

[@mikeking7470]

@@johngreco7171 the latest Roombas are self emptying, too.

[@A1BASE]

@@mikeking7470 This hadn't occurred to me. I might look into grabbing one for my garage workshop.

[@jasondoust4935]

I have carpet tiles that came from a commercial building site as leftovers. An electrician friend grabbed them years ago, so I swapped him a bowling ball for them. (Hey, I plugged and drilled it for him, it's okay!) Second hand commercial carpet tiles are super tough, and cheap as chips, BTW. Sometimes even free. There are guys who deal in them in bigger cities, or sometimes, the council tip shop has them. I had second hand tiles in a previous space. Nobody knew I hadn't shelled out a bundle for them, as I put the stained ones under benches. And lifting them up isn't too bad with a carpet spade, just don't get too keen with the glue.

[@mrcryptozoic817]

I just glue carpet squares on the corners. When one wears too much, I switch it for one on the edge of the area. No new replacement needed.

[@iman80skid91]

I've always had carpet down in my garage...love it... totally cosy on these cold UK winters building my projects

[@sambiscits6711]

I spent 37 years in Grocery Retail, primarily as a Manager, but didn't let the title Manager for you. I was out on my feet all day long. At least with the company I work. I had tendinitis, heel spurs, and bunions. I retired as soon as I was eligible and had a bunionectomy. The floors were always tile over cement, not very forgiving. I wished I had worn kneepads sooner. I installed carpet in a garage. It was a carpet that we replaced. We had a pool table there, so we didn't park the car in the garage.

[@keithkrueger1609]

had carpet in my first shop loved it. great for kneeling on and so much warmer and quieter.

[@jonathannagel7427]

Or you could glue carpet to your shoe soles for the same effect

[@StumpyNubs]

True story- My grandmother used to complain about her sore feet working in our family hardware store. She asked my grandfather to put in carpet. He offered to carpet her shoe soles instead.

[@fatthumbenterprises8083]

Jonathan Nagel the force is strong with this one

[@michaelszczygiel2069]

@@NoNORADon911 shag carpet or else 2 dust mops

[@markbeiser]

BRILLIANT!

[@arianadiego3709]

very smart 😛👍

[@ripntearslayer9101]

Little tip, if you ever plan on hvlp, flat out dont unless you cover in plastic or tarp (in and of itself sucks cause itll stick to your feet and pull up as you walk) with aerosol, it wont last either. Itll look good for a while but inevitably solvents will pile up

[@chris_thornborrow]

interesting idea...the one about curing the damp :-) I think moving my workshop to another country might be the best option ;-)

[@mcorrade]

yep had some old carpet in my shop for a while and your right, its way more comfortable and I use to clean less than my concrete floor. Alas , it finally had to go for the spillage issue. I'll have to keep my peepers open or I may just try those squares you mentioned. thanks for all the tips man.

[@pemtax557]

Excellent idea Stubs! It all makes sense when you are honest enough to drop the pre-conceptions. Cheers Mate!

[@MasterKenfucius]

I got you beat. I looked at a house for sale that had a bathroom carpeted. I don't have to describe what the area around the toilet smelled like.

[@browndog9402]

My first commercial building i had my shop in was carpeted, i loved it, I used to where crocs, it was so comfy.

[@michelevitarelli]

The new shop looks amazing. Can't wait for a tour. Thanks for sharing.

[@AB-nu5we]

Two of the 'shop areas' that I use in my small place have low pile carpet too. Works great, feels great. As you note, vacuums up well, stays clean, and stains clean out of mine quite easily. I pulled three year old water proof glue off of one area. It's basically spun plastic.

[@davidkay1386]

My father put indoor/outdoor carpet in our garage. He liked it better than laying on a cold floor while working on the cars. He also used the shop vac to clean it and cut out squares and replaced then with different carpet. That was 40 years ago, plus it was nice for me to play on while he was working, or as I held the light for him.

[@peterkleiner9114]

My old office was damaged in a hurricane, and they ripped out hundreds of 2' x 2' carpet tiles and threw them out. Well, thought I, some day I might put these fine rubber-backed tiles into use! Fast forward six years and lo! I have put them down in my garage/shop, and they are WONDERFUL!

[@filoavignonesi2128]

I have had my shop carpeted for years and besides being comfortable to stand on, the other main plus is that IT KEEPS THE DUST DOWN and prevents it from flying around the shop until you just vacuum it up :)

[@lordrichard8184]

I have carpet in 1 of my work shops. It’s great. It’s nice when you drop a part and it bounces off the ground without getting damaged. If you can do it, it’s definitely worth it.

[@azmike1956]

I love having carpet to work on! Works great for all my equipment.

[@nicobogaard2315]

I have carpet in my little shop. If any one asks ‘whats your hobby?’ The answer is ‘vacuming’ there are three in my workshup : one dedicated to the table saw, one as a shop vacuum and a handheld for the odd jobs. Works great very comfortable and it keeps the dust in the shop, Carpet traps dust until you vacuum.

[@Daguanno978]

I like the nod to the Dave the drunken woodworker haha cool video

[@short6691]

I set up my shop in the basement in a space my son had used as a recording studio. I retained the carpet (large scrap from remodel project upstairs) on the concrete floor “as is”. Sawdust cleanup in the closely woven pile is not a problem. Definitely quieter. No plans to change it. Dust collection/ control in a small enclosed space required much more thought. Interesting discussion!

[@alvagoldbook2]

I have an old drafty house and I love carpet. I’d much rather vacuum then sweep and then mop. And my feet be cold while walking on it. But carpet does have one big down side in that it can mold if it gets wet and my workshop is in the basement next to the laundry room. So I need a floor that’s comfortable to stand on, resistant to mold, is extremely durable and cheap, will not let moisture through from the concrete slab, and will help dampen the noise from loud woodworking tools, and one that won’t get slippery if it does get wet. I think I’m going to go with a rubber floor.

[@solivier7983]

I got a gym floor (ex movie set) - quite thick rubber matting. Super soft on feet and knees, kind to dropped tools, and - best of all - tolerant of grease and paint spills.

[@TheBearGrylz]

Carpeted mine w gently used carpeting a few years back. Love it

[@MadMulberry]

Four words - interlocking rubber floor tiles!

[@StumpyNubs]

2500 square feet of those will set you back quite a bit. But even in a smaller shop they suck if you want to roll machines around.

[@MarkDenovich]

Stumpy Nubs The thick (8-10mm) rubber ones (think car tire) are no issue for rolling machines. They use them in gyms. Bomb proof, quiet, insulating and easy to clean. But not as cheap or available as carpet. I got lucky on Craigslist, when a weightlifting place lost their lease, new would be over my budget. $120 for a pile that bottomed out my truck’s suspension. Damn things are heavy.

[@MadMulberry]

@@MarkDenovich Would you believe it! I got mine from a gym as well. This one was renovated and I got them for free. The downside was that they'd been outside for about six months, through an Irish winter and they were dirty and growing a green and black algae. Took a bit of cleaning and scrubbing and some were damaged quite badly, but I couldn't complain too much since they were free.

[@MarkDenovich]

MadMulberry I paid $120 for about 1500sqft, also in pretty dirty condition. Sold some the leftovers at a higher price so nearly free in the end. I laid them all out on the driveway and scrubbed and powerwashed both sides. Wanted to be extra sure they weren’t going to make my shop smell like stale sweat. Got a workout in the process, moving the damn things around so much. Bought a new house a recently so I get to wrestle with them again as I transfer them to my new shop space. Who needs a gym membership?

[@brianstevens3858]

The clear hard plastic office chair pad, under the drill press and in the painting area and pretty much good to go if have dust collection.

[@blackemmons]

Looks good and good idea. PS: Technically "concrete". Kind of like bread and flour. 😁

[@StumpyNubs]

Technically, the most important ingredient in concrete is... wait for it... cement :)

[@blackemmons]

@@StumpyNubs I am aware. 15 years in Alpena at the cement plant. 😊

[@barryirby8609]

@@Tensquaremetreworkshop While we are on the topic, an aside, Technically....what is "Scratch" and why do we make EVERYTHING from it? (I made this loaf of bread from scratch and I made this workbench from scratch. That has gots to be some pretty good stuff and very useful. Where can I get me some?) The most useful tool in the shop? Credit card. You can fix anything with a credit card. My planer broke and I fixed it with my credit card. Bought a new one.

[@StumpyNubs]

Technically, this is a woodworking video, not a masonry tutorial.

[@btdga]

@@StumpyNubs Masonry is brick, block, or stone and mortar. Very different from concrete.

[@chrisflavelle1200]

My dad used to let the chips and shavings from his lathe build up in front so that he had a home made anti-fatigue mat. He would take out some as it built up and it was just as, if not more comfortable under foot as the store bought mats.

[@qwadratix]

I feel better now. My wife insisted on carpeting my workshop. To be fair, it's that special type of matting that collects dirt off shoes in laboratories and can be hosed down outside to remove the debris afterwards. It works really well.

[@jasonbarile2014]

Ha! I've been contemplating ripping the carpet up from my garage shop floor until I saw this. Someone who owned our house before us had used a garage bay for an office and carpeted it with very similar short pile commercial carpet. It's a little stained near the garage doors and there are paint drips here and there, but it's still in solid shape overall. I was dreading the idea of ripping it all out until I saw this, and now I'll give that a solid second thought!

[@geef6770]

I have an airport floor in my shop - kind of rubber/venyl. The surface consists of 'stumpy nubs' that protect against slipping and accumulation of dust. You should have one of that in your next life.

[@crossgrainwoodproductsltd9230]

I have just plywood floors and my knees ach at the end of the day. Ever since I saw the first video of this shop setup with the carpet. I wanted to do the same thing. Everything stumpy said about sweeping verses vacuuming is correct. In the spring, I will remove all of my machines and lay a section of commercial grade carpet. I've already picked it out at my local carpet store and just have to give the owner a call and he will order it for me. I'm paying extra to have them put it in since I want it done correctly.

[@Dnps807]

This is the Mythbusters of woodworking show. 👍👍

[@hexadecimil]

You have convinced me to use carpet in my shop. Now I see it as a tool. I'll likely carpet stratigic areas as rhe ship is gonna double as a man cave as well where the guys can meet up around the table.

[@kahoycrafts]

Carpet would definitely be cheaper than many alternatives. My garage is already covered in linoleum (over concrete), but it gouges easily and isn't the most attractive choice. My biggest concern with carpet is the potential for staining. I actually spilled an entire can of stain and managed to clean it up with paint thinner -- can't do that with carpet. I use those foam floor tiles from Harbor Freight for small work areas -- also helps to protect project pieces when they get dropped.

[@loadzofhobbies4219]

The house I just purchased came with a large outbuilding which I set up as my workshop, it was carpeted with short pile carpet. 4 months later I've ripped it all up, even with regular cleaning it was a mess. Stumpy you must have a powerful shop vac! plus, it didn't feel right or creative in there... a bit like woodworking in your lounge!

[@MrMarkpeggy]

Thanks for the carpet idea James.. Great video!

[@Advcrazy]

Have you looked at pvc tiles? Used in many shops and factories around the world. Really tough, more comfortable than concrete but probably better in terms of cleaning spills than carpet. Pricy though. Wish I could afford them for my workshop 😅

[@2shoestoo]

Very similar to what I have in my shop and works great. Also keeps noise down a little.

[@917Stefano]

Keeping the carpet was a good move. I used to work in an automotive repair shop, and I quickly learned that walking on concrete all day is hard on your body.

[@stevetobias4890]

I have vinyl over carpet in my workshop, very soft on the feet and easy to clean

[@jerryhubbard4461]

Carpet will also help with sound bouncing around in the room. Sound proofing. Every little bit helps.

[@jerrys576]

My shop is 11x16. I bought Dricore from HD. It has plastic feet on back of partical board. What a difference it mad on my back.

[@ferrelljohns720]

Finally someone with common sense ( or cents ).

[@francischarboneau3793]

Ok, I like the carpet squares idea!

[@WorkshopGreg]

Carpet tiles are amazing. I will have them in my future shop.

[@johnshort1536]

Workshop of all of our dreams.

[@chrisperry7963]

This makes a lot of sense, will be looking into this!

[@douglascampbell9809]

I worked on concrete floors for about 7 years in a furniture manufacturing factory. Even with matts at the workstations it left my back and both my knees and hips wrecked. When I say wrecked I mean wrecked. I'm in a wheelchair now because my joints ground down to bone or deep into the pelvic bone for my hips.

[@DavesShed]

Wow! I already have bad back so I need to give this some serious thought.

[@rdwoo57]

I've stood on concrete for 9 hours a day for 30 years it's all in the shoes

[@douglascampbell9809]

@@rdwoo57 I had really good shoes and boots. I was on reinforced concrete. You could drive a semi truck on it and not crack it. Walking on sidewalk literally felt better than walking inside the factory at the end.

[@StumpyNubs]

Different people are affected differently because of the makeup of their joints.

[@DavesShed]

@@StumpyNubs Well most of my joints are still pocket hole joints so I'd best look into this. ;)

[@rherman9085]

My shop is carpeted. I love it.

[@birdbandit9]

Love your videos! Can you please start naming the beer you're drinking in each video? Whether by speaking it or listing it in the description? Thanks!

[@StumpyNubs]

Let's name this one... Tom.

[@AGlimpseInside]

Well I’m actually thinking now about those 2’ x 2’ carpet tiles. I think maybe you might have sold me on the idea

[@GearheadDaily]

My shop has a few old large rugs. Nice actually.

[@DracoOmnia]

Good shoes... But the sound damping factor is compelling

[@tylerbug2009]

I thought about carpet but my 2nd floor wood shop is above my carage that isn't critter proof and I'm sure they would either nest in it or use it as a litterbox.

[@mattberg916]

I bet sound reverberating is greatly diminished. Plus I'm assuming a suspended ceiling, should help quiet things nicely

[@BluuurghAg9]

What is the status of your finger? Healing proces going well?

[@georgeprout42]

I think it's almost fully regrown now

[@brentb3969]

I love the carpet idea. But my question is about the retractable wheel lifts I saw on several machines throughout your shop. Where do you buy them. And did you modify them?

[@StumpyNubs]

The mobile bases? I buy the Portamate brand. You can get them online or at woodworking stores.

[@jrbarron11]

I noticed your oscillating belt sander in a ‘drawer’ behind you. Do you need any special clips or anything to hold it steady when it’s pulled out and in use?

[@StumpyNubs]

I put a stick behind the edge of the platform to keep it from pushing back in.

[@jrbarron11]

@@StumpyNubs 💡👍🏼

[@FatTony071984]

I have large Carpets in my shop. Way better for standing on or if you drop a chisel. Vacuuming is good enough most of the time. If I want to clean everything really good I can rol my carpets up an bring them outside. They are industrial style so the edges don't roll up an I never have stumbled.

[@mikeking7470]

"Moisture problems?" My old idiot school admin insisted we leave the carpet in the space we put our new darkroom in. That's a disaster waiting to happen. They actually build a partition wall and installed cabinets on top of the carpet, too. Clearly none of the PhD's had ever built anything or used a darkroom. And students are messy.

[@rjtumble]

Sorry for the off topic question. Any idea when your miter saw cabinet plans/videos will be available? I'm itching to build one and yours looks more interesting than others I've seen.

[@StumpyNubs]

It will take a couple months to get all the videos edited and the plans written.

[@johnh5008]

Seems like it wouldn't be as good for your back as a nice squishy floor mat, but I'm not sure. I have back issues as well, and my Harbor Freight el-cheapo floor mats don't seem to be doing the job.

[@oakleyjack7600]

“Spiders got to eat “

[@michaelsunsdahl5874]

If I carpet my shop, then I'm wearing my Chewbacca slippers out there! Maybe I can rig up a steel toe in them. (Seriously though...I DO have a pair)

[@seanc6468]

I had squares. I tossed them a few years ago. I'm getting more I have thick cardboard for the time being .

[@charlesstarkey5256]

James, I like the carpet idea but..... How about your heavier tools that might sit in the one spot for a considerable time eg: your table saw. Won't the wheels settle into the pile and the underlay making little gullies that want to keep your settles in wheels where they are? I'd really like to see your evaluation after say 6 months or so. Apart from that, I'm sold. I just have to convince the Minister for War and Fnance that I should buy a heap of carpet squares.

[@StumpyNubs]

Yes, they will create dents if left for a long time. But since the pile is very short (about 1/8-inch, the dents are too.

[@YouZbychu]

What about static electricity in the carpet and fine saw dust? Is there a risk of fire?

[@StumpyNubs]

No static issues from the carpet unless you drag your feet around in just socks so you can zap your brother.

[@apexapinkpanda8064]

This totally changed my thoughts on a carpeted shop. Damn, where's my carpet squares! Then I remembered I'm a black smith.... Think flame resistant carpet would work?

[@scottadams1061]

At 1:45 you are using a router with a 2 sided fence. I want one for my router but can’t find anything close. What is the exact nomenclature of this fence? And where might I find a universal one to fit a Craftsmen router? Thanks

[@StumpyNubs]

It's the M-Power CRB7 with the mortise attachment. They are universal for most routers.

[@matthewburks6633]

Carpet? Cool idea

[@hawkeye10100]

I clean as I go, especially when I am turning. I can go from my shop into the house in about three steps. The wife doesn't like me tracking sawdust into the house.

[@steliosstavrinides3502]

If your dust collection system is as effective as yours, there's no reason not to carpet the shop if you want to, But the majority does not have such an effective dust collection system. Just wondering since there are so many thousand of woodworkers, how come a shoe company did not come out with a woodworker's shoes model, that will have a thick soft and comfortable sole to walk/stand all day around the shop. I think it's an idea that everyone will go for it.

[@jos6415]

Confucius saying: Do not cover your path with leather, cover the soles of your feet.

[@BYGTraining]

What shop vac head attachment are you using?

[@StumpyNubs]

Ridgid makes a carpet head. It's not very well designed, though. It plugs easily if you suck large chips through it. I'm getting a different vacuum as soon as I decide on which one to get.

[@BYGTraining]

@@StumpyNubs right on, well if you can remember to come back to this comment and let me know which one you go with I'd be grateful. I love your videos, man, the advice and the production value are top notch!

[@charlottesaunders5457]

Do you have to worry about the carpet being a fire hazard? If you're making sparks, what do you do to combat that?

[@StumpyNubs]

You think carpet may be the fire hazard in a WOODWORKING shop?

[@charlottesaunders5457]

@@StumpyNubs in the shop I work in, there's specific areas we have away from wood/cardboard to do things like angle grinding/welding type things. granted, those are for metalwork, and I haven't worked in a shop that's exclusively wood (I do theatre carpentry), but I imagine it is prudent in many shops to have at least an area where sparks can land without the risk of them hitting something flammable. I'm mostly curious whether that particular carpet would pose a significant risk or not.

[@felixfromnebraska8648]

I have been thinking about doing it for a couple of years now. Now I just need to do it. How are your hands doing?

[@johnslaughter5475]

I'll do that when I get the other side of my garage cleared out so I can move my shop over. I had been planning to lay 2x4s in a 2' grid and then cover it with 3/4" plywood. My idea would've let me run all of my power under the false floor; but, I can live with cables on the floor to save a lot of money.

[@StumpyNubs]

You may find the plywood has enough give that you don't need carpet.

[@raymondreyes4244]

What are the dimensions of the shop?

[@placitas52]

Great idea. I just installed shag!

[@ealingbadger]

A nephew who was working for me doing some painting in the kitchen once spilt a tin of Aluminium primer on a brown shag pile carpet in the next room. He managed to get it all back out again and to this day I don't know how he did it but I honestly couldn't tell by the time I got home from work. I chose not to ask for the details, though he did have help from his auntie...