What Makes a Person Poor? - Touré Reed & Adolph Reed

[@NameName-lv4lu]

I'm glad toure mentioned Du Bois flaws in his ideas of poverty. I'm reading his Souls of Black Folk and he's so right in many ways, but he talks about "listlessness" and 'is it possible for blacks to have a work ethic like whites' pretty heavily in the middle, But interestingly, his reverence of the black church and his perception of black spiritualism shaping and influencing white American churches and the black church, clearly as a community hub that whites did not have indicates that he had contradicting ideas flowing in his mind about 'the eugenicist perspective of poverty'.

[@bpalpha]

It's not how hard you work, but what you work for that matters.

[@ManicEightBall]

I want to have Thanksgiving dinner with the Reeds so I can listen to them talk.

[@dissipatedtaint]

I had Dr. Touré Reed as a history professor for a whole semester at Illinois State University. So I got to have Thanksgiving with him for approximately an hour and a half, twice a week for nearly 5 months. Can confirm it was the best 3 hours of my week every week for that half year. Now I search his name on KZbin every 6-8 months and I'm extremely happy to find content like this.

[@fentyslides]

@@dissipatedtaint this is also me lmao

[@DerekFullerWhoIsGovt]

I got here in 1960 and I'm proud I didn't assimilate well to America.

[@genxlife]

Of course poverty is not a character flaw. It's the result of a defective economic system.

[@darylallen2485]

I'd like to grasp an economic system which is not defective. Are you aware of any economic system where no poverty exists? This will be the economic system that is not defective.

[@tigran56]

@@darylallen2485 there are many, many that are closer to equal. Northern Europe.

[@darylallen2485]

@@tigran56 While I agree that there are ways to make American society better, I don't agree that making changes to the economic system will bring us to some utopian state. We should STRIVE to eliminate poverty, but the problem is deeper than just changing the economic system. There is no economic system anywhere which has eliminated poverty completely.

[@KarlMarxFanClub]

If anyone has a character flaw, it’s the wealthy capitalist. They lie, steal, cheat, and kill for an extra buck. The hardest working people I know are the poorest people I know, good people too. These people lack empathy and compassion into understanding our plight and then call themselves Christians! The capitalist loves to blame the common man for the problems that the capitalist themselves have created.

[@JoshDoVids]

We have all lived our entire lives under one economic system. Capitalism. In some form or another. You no material perspective to say poverty cannot be eliminated with a change in system.

[@MultiJevens]

Appreciate Ariella not being on Twitter

[@estitt1973]

Damn, she’s not? Does she have a PO Box where we can write to her?

[@jacobedward2401]

I tuned in to the live stream of the Poor People's Campaign DC rally on Monday. They were saying a lot of good things about uniting the working class!

[@patrickdaly3628]

So smart how rev. Barber stakes the high ground by making it a MORAL argument, you don't get bogged down in intra left politics...like the good rev. Says from the hood to the holler

[@jackgude3969]

I was today years old when I realized that Touré and Adolph are related

[@df3575]

This is a Platinum clip from this interview. 👌🏿

[@theurbaneducator8936]

I do agree that poverty can be defined as the lack of money or resources to meet the basic necessities of living, or perhaps to barely meet them. That would however make a huge swath of the population “impoverished” since most of us are living pay check to pay check. I believe there is also a psychological dimension to poverty that can’t be easily dismissed though this acknowledgment is anathema to most materialist analysis.

[@joshuah.8364]

Show me any "psychological trait" of poverty and I'll show you a wealthy person with the same trait.

[@jdcjr50]

Thank you for pointing out the error made by so many people regarding cultural poverty. The truly impoverished culture is the one resorting to predatory behavior against one another and then trying to it. In fact, as someone whose life has been lived beneath the poverty line, it is my cultural and spiritual norms that survive. While I used to think about culture and language as two sides of the same coin, I think I missed quite a few other facets of humanity, aka multicultural diversity. What the wealthy classes miss in their hubristic demands they place upon the poor is to recognize how pathetic they themselves are in social reality. Some of them are really nice people too.

[@El_Chuncho]

Gotta get the Reed's on Jared Ball's show on Black Power Media. Particularly Adolph Reed!

[@MultiJevens]

He’s been on BPM a couple times I believe

[@AllAroundGenius]

@@MultiJevens yup

[@El_Chuncho]

@@MultiJevens True, but I'm talking about recently. Jared reached out to him last month (2 weeks ago) about his latest book in which Adolph reduced Malcom X to just a "black race nationalist."

[@36cmbr]

Violence has never become a culturally normative posture with original people. So our problem becomes one of how to undermine external violence while recognizing our true source of power. That’s the problem of life itself.

[@RIP_Greedo]

Was there ever an explanation of Adolph’s background screen in this episode?

[@noahparslow295]

literally just wondering this as i watch n listen first time lol

[@jamesmurphy9105]

It's the Economic environment Cities have more individuals to replace workers who questions and ask for more wages

[@avedoncarol4280]

But Moynahan *didn't* stack "your group" up against my group. He made a blanket statement about black culture without ever examining the control group - that is, whites. He never asked, "Wait, don't white women in the work force *also* have better educations than their male peers?"

[@iceangel1701d]

The economic gap would close overnight if economic principles were taught in grade school on up. How many stories have you heard of Lottery winners going broke? If folks were taught from early on HOW money works (works for you-not the other way around) it would be transformative and would change the economy from the bottom up very quickly. The fact that these basic principles are not taught is NOT an accident.

[@sankarbareddy3515]

"People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paper work and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours with reduced benefits, the end of over time and the vanishing pension that disappear the minute you go to collect it." - George Carlin This is the objective of our education system and they nailed it.

[@iceangel1701d]

@@sankarbareddy3515 Unfortunately I agree.

[@KarlMarxFanClub]

@@sankarbareddy3515 Rockefeller said, I don’t want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers!

[@macrosense]

It is not a racial thing. It is a southern thing

[@bradc6993]

reparations for #ADOS

[@drowgoddess9049]

hi

[@naturallaw1733]

how you do👋

[@stevenbones9906]

oh thatsan easy one its the demorats

[@Ryanrobi]

I am very interested in this question as someone who grew up in a very poor family by American standards (though very rich by historical and even contemporary global standards). I am 29 now and all 4 of my siblings and I have become atleast upper middle class to wealthy (I am talking $85M net worth wealthy for one sibling via startup sale). My honest thoughts going through it and coming out on the other side is that it's absolutely possible to bootstrap your way out even without college as myself and my brother both dropped out and have household incomes over $100k in blue collar jobs. I'd say my family didn't buy into the idea that it's impossible and the system will hold us down so we went ahead and figured out ways to gain skills education and experience with hard work to creat value for others and either started companies with some savings or credit card or work our way into good jobs and live within our means. I do think there are places in the world where it's much much harder to get out of real poverty but poverty in America is still top 1% income and life style.

[@ethanstump]

poverty is intrinsically tied to class. and class is tied to how your wealth is generated, not how much wealth you have. your brother that was an owner of a business was part of the owner class, and was part of an inherently exploitative process. also, straight net wealth statistics don't really tell the whole story, considering there are many even modestly well off families in the united states that are bankrupted due to cancer, meanwhile poor german #3 paid 500 usd. the wealth of the wealthy is directly generated by the poverty of the poor. and yes, of course the imperial core benefits from unequal exchange, and thus it's much harder outside of these countries to even have a decent quality of life, let alone exceptional.

[@siriuslyspeaking9720]

Since socialist seem to value the means of production above all else, how would they deal with unproductive citizens, in a society of their making? If socialist are going to defend charges of laziness and the like, against the poor, why don't they, on the other hand ,charge the wealthy with being avaricious? They send so much time discussing theories, that most people wouldn't even care about, if they understood them? They haven't yet, produced an argue that the people would get behind and act on? Why is the simple question of - in a world of limited resources, how much wealth and thus power, should one person be allowed to amass, asked? Why don't they ask the straight forward question - what is a fair amount of compensation, for an individual's labor or contribution to a finished produce or service? Also, in any competitive situation there will be those that win and those who don't, how should society view those who don't win and how should those who don't win, view themselves? Morality and justice/fairness is at the heart of the matter. The word poverty, as it is mainly used, really speaks to violence and crime, and other anti-social behavior and attitudes. Criminality does have a culture that it operates in. U.S. socialist, will be having this same discussion among themselves in perpetuity. They have no way of connecting to the masses. Drugs and pop culture is the opiate of the masses that Marx spoke of. They have no remedy for that.

[@naturallaw1733]

"in a world of limited resources" the World is actually Full of Resources for Everyone. the key is how to Produce and Distribute them which a form of Socialism is better at doing that. it just depends on how we set up our Economy to be able to meet the Needs of the People. 🌍

[@siriuslyspeaking9720]

@@naturallaw1733 Their availability is limited by the structure of society and the economy. They are limited and so the point is still valid. If the wealthy would acknowledge the unfairness of the situation, they could alleviate the unfairness by relinquishing their monopoly on access to the available resources. There may be different ways to do this, but in doing this, everyone must operate as efficiently as possible. Addressing the disparate value in wages is the easiest way to bring equity to the situation. Part of being efficient means, making use of all the brain power that humanity offers. Who knows which mind has the answer to more efficient ways to produce/reproduce the basic necessities of life. As it stands now a select few get to choose what field they will go into, not so much because they are necessarily well suited and very good at doing it, but simply because they can afford the cost of getting the training, are adequate at it, and can make a lot of money at it. More skilled and creative minds, never get the chance or option of choosing, because of the way the system is structured.

[@naturallaw1733]

@@siriuslyspeaking9720 I don't ever see any Real Equity or Ethics ever coming from this type of System we're in. my only question is... How long can Humanity and the World Survive in this type of Economic Structure? 🤔

[@LongDefiant]

Tons of bad assumptions in this

[@ethanstump]

1.why does every citizen need to be productive? in a post survival economy in which it's not only considered unethical/nor illegal, but crimes against humanity to withhold the necessities of life, to hold a life hostage to their work capacity, is seen akin to the horror's of peasantry. in such a system, the ideals surrounding work is that it is strictly voluntary, and that these jobs that are voluntary have purpose outside of acquiring an income. 2. nearly 30% of the current jobs are superfluous and obsolete outside of giving people an income and keeping them from revolution. also, your pretty dumb to not even pick up on the indictments of the wealthy who embody the very claims they lay on others. 3. the "world of limited resources" argument could be indefinitely postponed as we mine astral resources. 4. as the creator of capital, the worker is entitled to the full fruits of his labor. 5. why should society be defined around competitive situations and not co-operative ones? co-operation could drive the market, just not under a capitalist one.6. yes, poverty is determined by the use of the state's monopoly on the legitimacy of violence by one economic class against another. capitalist criminality does have a environment it operates in, as labeled in the Pandora/panama papers. 7. you know all sorts of different people from different economic classes watch KZbin right? just because Marxism isn't considered pop culture now doesn't mean it hasn't been viewed as such in the past, or in the future. all i got was technical training and not even an associates yet I'm still listening and learning. 8. it's called dialectical for a reason. history doesn't stop with you. 9. legalizing drugs reduces substance abuse. 10. any questions?