What No One Ever Showed You About This Application

[@KungFit]

Thanks to Will for lending a hand in this one. I'll be on his channel soon. Make sure you check it out. Also, don't forget to check out this video for more applications of Lian Huan Quan -kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKmbeqqnlJaIbKc

[@lelionnoir4523]

Hi. Will sent me here, saying he's being severely manhandled. I had to see for myself if this was worst than what Brendan Tunks did. Anyhow, since this a Northern Chinese kung fu style, I'll take a guess at that forward crouching move and say it looks like a leg catch. Then you toss him back and wallop him as he's trying to keep his balance. All your interpretations are super valid, of course, but I've come to understand form moves as complex choreographies to store fighting knowledge. Unraveling your own ideas and getting them to work is a fantastic thing, when you can get there.

[@KungFit]

Haha, hopefully he wasn't too traumatised by it. Though we've not met up for training since 😂 That's an interesting idea, one I might have to play around with a bit. Not one that I've ever heard of before. It would mainly have to be the hand work, with a delayed step I think. Otherwise you would be turning your stomach into the kick, and with the head drop you risk getting kicked there if you miss the catch. I completely agree, forms are there to teach and store application, not just to build body attributes; though that's an added bonus. There are often multiple ways to apply different moves, even if the creators had a single one in mind. Boxing is a great example as there is a relatively limited set of moves, but they have each been applied in countless different ways.

[@yestoadventure007]

Yeah you got it! Most forms are a sequence of techniques but they don't necessarily follow one another. Sometimes one small move is the entirety of that technique followed by a completely unrelated technique. For instance the U-slip you demonstrated could be the entire technique and the follow ups could be part of a different technique or they can be combined like you showed. Both answers can true at the same time. Forms teach techniques in a pattern or sequence, the secret is learning to apply the technique without being slave to the pattern. This a great demonstration on how forms can work in fighting. Nicely done!

[@KungFit]

Thank you 🙂 You're quite right. Sometimes they do, X move fails so do Y, but other times entirely unrelated. Equally moves can look very different when applied, but still use the same principles. Just yesterday I was teaching applications of Lian Huan Quan and took a move in steps from just like the form all the way to a move in western wrestling.

[@borgiskhan]

I've been working on exactly the same ideas from our Lian Shou Quan form which has a similar movement, it certainly does lend itself well to what we would consider boxing strategies. My Shifu would point out that even though the form is linear the application isn't always.

[@KungFit]

A lot of northern styles do things linearly, but you're quite right the application doesn't need to be like that. As I demonstrate here taking angles is part of the strategy

[@thescholar-general5975]

With the close range could the form imply elbow strikes instead of a hook?

[@KungFit]

That's a nice observation. It wouldn't quite fit with the actual movement within the form, since the elbow drops down behind you as you take the hand to the waist. That being said though, with your arm starting up above you, its in a good position for a downwards elbow. You could say, trap and punch, elbow with an overhand type body movement, then step through with a punch like in the midrange example. If a movement in a form inspires a useful combination/application, I don't think there's a wrong answer 😀

[@prayingmantiskungfuacademy1873]

A common mistake I see is that sometimes people practice form and think too linearly. Sometimes an application works better at different angles, heights and distances.

[@KungFit]

Exactly. Forms have an overall shape to help link them together and allow multiple people to practice in a space, but they don't need to be applied literally

[@smartresearchwingchun494]

Actually you can't really use a traditional martial art with contemporary stance and footwork; and you can't really punch a bag that way. Contemporary and traditional martial arts have different behaviours (body mechanics).

[@KungFit]

Whilst I certainly agree that there are differences in some body mechanics across different martial arts, there are limitations to this. There are distinct overlaps. Contemporary footwork exists within traditional martial arts, it's where it came from. Elements have been stripped out or modified, but it comes from the same place. My preference is for a modified Sanda style base, but I utilise a mix of footwork styles, hand techniques and leg techniques from Sanda, Shaolin, Boxing, and Muay Thai. There's nothing incompatible at all; I can step into ma bu or gong bu from a Sanda stance, and as I discussed in this video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHyWlX2cnbuUfZI), I can use movements hand techniques like dan bien or xie xing from that stance. The real fallacy is believing that there is a massive distinction between these arts. If you are using kung fu in a fight/sparring then I would expect to see something that a boxer or kickboxer wouldn't do, but you shouldn't be standing there in a big kung fu stance the entire time. You also have to consider ranges, modern combat sports stances are mostly about mid range, using Shaolin as an example, you also have the long range and the close range. Movements for each will look different and use different mechanics. I'm demonstrating midrange movements here, so they are more similar to combat sports.

[@SamuelMulambia-v7u]

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[@houseofkungfu2543]

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[@KungFit]

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[@houseofkungfu2543]

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[@houseofkungfu2543]

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[@houseofkungfu2543]

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[@KungFit]

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