What On Earth Happened At Turn 1 In Hungary?! | Jolyon Palmer's F1 TV Analysis

We know it was total chaos, but why? Jolyon Palmer takes a closer look at the pile-up at Turn 1 at the Hungarian Grand Prix that took out Checo Perez, Lando Norris, Valtteri Bottas, Lance Stroll and Charles Leclerc.
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[@powerofdreamx]

Love these! Nicely done Palmer! Didn't even see Gasly's near hit.

[@DerPilotMann]

Yeah, first time I've noticed it as well.

[@jasondaniels640]

Really great analysis all the way thru...

[@Yvolve]

During one of the many replays during the red flag, I suddenly noticed a car on the outside of Perez, who had gone into the corner as the outside car. Could not figure out why Gasly was there all of the sudden, but now it all makes sense. Some great recovery driving right there, and great reflexes when Perez got sideswiped.

[@4ntoCatch]

jolyon is the best

[@sebastianfruhwirth7231]

i saw it on the replays, but always though he already say the mess with norris and bottas already and wanted to go wide for safety.

[@coolaa7]

I'm kind of new to the world of F1 and this guy explains things in a way that even I can understand with clarity what went wrong, kudos and thanks mate.👍🏽

[@autumnleaf2976]

The reason is this guy used to be a F1 driver as well, unfortunately karma got him..

[@alex_lll]

@@autumnleaf2976 ah, I see what you did here :)

[@sgyt5224]

@@autumnleaf2976 Where is Palmer? He retired. KARMA - the wise old words of Fernando Alonso

[@bullettime8760]

@@autumnleaf2976 ALONSO: *from the distance* KARMA!

[@bullettime8760]

Welcome to f1, here's some fun fact to get you started: 9 out of the 10 teams have acquired a podium, Ferrari is the oldest team on the grid (dating back when f1 first started in 1950), Ferrari, McLaren, and Williams have the oldest rivalries dating back from the 80s, 90s and early to mid 2000s

[@MrSnackpackable]

Oh missed that Gasly lock up during the live race. Shows just how easy it is to make a mistake in those conditions.

[@4ntoCatch]

yes very slippery

[@andis9076]

Gasly almost get called by Red Bull boss, Helmut !

[@etackitk7192]

Yeah but , Perez just move on brake ahead of gasly.

[@rafaelmartinmeuldijk6030]

well done driving of Gasly ...you can not say of Bottas ! What a moran!

[@alphanerdgames9417]

The mistake is not the lockup the mistake is following someone so close under those conditions.

[@itube8352]

3:24 Giovinazzi like "ha-ha, i'm in a safe place".

[@enotdetcelfer]

Watching the slow motion and seeing how early Bottas' wheels were locked up changed my feel of the incident, while the turn 1 camera from the front makes it seem like he's not even trying to brake and even accellerating... Very nice analysis.

[@DiscoforU]

Sure nice, what surprised me most the space that was between Norris en Perez. For taking the corner fast it always smarter to move to where Hamilton started.

[@chiefdenis]

@@DiscoforU couldn't have moved there while braking

[@urmom3046]

@@valerierodger7700 I'm not too sure here, but, if he turned to the inside he might have hit Hamilton and that would have been even worse , atleast for him and Merc. Anyways I don't think he could have gone to the inside cause when the wheels are locked you cant really turn

[@oceanbreeze1440]

Gasley onboard replay also confirms what happened with Bottas

[@bennylloyd-willner9667]

@@urmom3046 I looked at the start a couple of times, including Bottas' race cam, and I don't think Hamilton would have been where Bottas would have ended up if he'd tried the inside. I think Ham was so far ahead so he would've been gone. But maybe Bottas didn't see it that way and didn't want to risk it even slightly. When looking at his race cam once again, I think that when he came close to Norris, he should've tried to go left. He had too much forward momentum to even try to turn sharper to go inside, much easier to try moving left of Norris, there was at least some space there. Anyways, not even easy to say what everybody should've done - even with 20-20 hindsight vision, slow-motion, many replays, and multi-cameras 😁 The result is: Bottas made a big Boo-Boo and many teams got to pay for it, in points as well as in dollars...

[@nicowagner2427]

Guenther Steiner analyzing turn 1 incident: "Bottas Fok smashed Norris and the Red Bulls"

[@JordiR243]

I imagine F1 doing this on April Fools' with the video lasting 4 seconds

[@rexhinaldhazizaj3895]

we should do bwettwr hahaha

[@bennylloyd-willner9667]

LOL, I sure hope Haas can get their stuff working. I want Gunther to be more visible in media - I just love that guy, he is one of the colourful personalities we need in F1!

[@aaronbell9860]

For stroll his Analysis on f1tv basically said that stroll broke around the same time as alsonso (most likely using him as a marker). Alonso was on the outside and ended up very very deep in the corner but because he was on the outside it didn’t result in anything. And as you can guess stroll was on the inside and couldn’t slow the car down.

[@achmadfadhillah5859]

Inside must be very bad grip then

[@ethownzbh]

@@achmadfadhillah5859 No you're missing the point. Alonso went just about as deep as Stroll but because he was on the outside and no one was so close in front of him, he didn't make contact with anyone. Same thing with Gasly, he missed his braking point as well, locked up and nearly took out Perez before Perez fell victim to the Bottas "bowling" fallout, but again Gasly was on the outside and able to go towards the outside of the track and barely avoid Perez.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

@@achmadfadhillah5859 The inside had more cars and less room than the outside.

[@creaturedanaaaaa]

Stroll probably just hit an okay braking point, saw the chaos, dived deep to the inside, and found Leclerc parked on the apex

[@saimarshad4298]

I clicked faster than Bottas missing his braking point.

[@kyz6227]

I’m commenting 7 minutes after you and I’m still quicker than his braking point

[@rikulai]

Me 11 minutes later but still faster than Pottas

[@alexj1768]

12 minutes later and Bottas hasn’t even started braking yet

[@travisedwards190]

@Todd Brooks Matter

[@kimi88cz]

Dont forget Stroll

[@SoudipanMaity]

Bottas: "I am gonna make an offer they can't refuse." Mercedes: "We liked it. But, NO."

[@appief1racepuch646]

I think so

[@bmxerqf882]

If the weird one car restart didn't happen and lose Mercedes the lead this crash would've seemed like a masterstroke by Bottas

[@tilbintt3491]

@@bmxerqf882 this crash actually cost mercedes more than 10 points. Lewis lost two places p3 from p1. Mercedes was quicker this weekend so that was an easy win for him. I am so livid with Bottas, he has the skills but he can barely get a decent start. He was jumped by Lando and Charles in Silverstone and now this.

[@joshuagabrielcatindig7607]

@@tilbintt3491 and now only 8pts, as SV is DSQ.

[@venkatsaimurlidharan9144]

Jolyon Palmer and every British media journo after Silverstone , reviewing what happened at turn 1 Hungary: Max could have avoided the crash by taking off like a helicopter and hovering over the track while the crash happened

[@HarmonyRocket]

Superb insight, analysis and communication, Jolyon. Looking forward to the next one as always.

[@hdr_diamondz]

I think Bottas took the crowdstrike sponsorship too literally

[@wscottwalters74]

Provided extra security to the team. A CRWD investor through and through.

[@charmedbops]

F1 teams should first check with F3's Olli Caldwell. Lad is spot on on his weather predictions throughout the season. 😆

[@szillar3283]

Giovanazzi could of won the race if he kept his slicks on 🤣🤣

[@_mundi]

Personally I’d have williams in p8 over Alfa Romeo any day of the week

[@nordpark]

could have*

[@amitkeni4794]

@@_mundi true but id also rather see an alfa win a race over williams finishing p8

[@4ntoCatch]

@@_mundi even mondays?

[@4ntoCatch]

yea what happened to him that was a genius idea . did he pit ?

[@ChetanSharma_727]

Bottas always struggles in the wet. Turkey 2020, Hockenheim 2019 etc were a spin fest for him.

[@rayzaking2tv562]

Imola 2021 George...

[@Vincrand]

@@rayzaking2tv562 In Imola he sure wasn't performing, but the crash with George wasn't his mistake.

[@pena380]

@@Vincrand george also forced lewis to overtake him wet part of the track and then lewis crashed to barrier because of that. So george is not teamplayer which merc wants.

[@Inferiis]

@@pena380 Can you balme him? He almost stopped to let Lewis by. You can't expect him to give everything :D

[@Invest-n-Rest]

Totally missed Stroll's carnage...which may have been worse then Bottas. Stroll was breaking like it was a normal Sunday drive.

[@alasterwiseman3061]

Definitely not worse than bottas's

[@registrado54]

Its in the full version in F1TV which is 30 minutes long

[@simonz5905]

At least, Stroll tried an escape move

[@Invest-n-Rest]

@@registrado54 I'll have to check it out. Even though I watched the race as well! No such thing as too many highlights!

[@registrado54]

@@Invest-n-Rest its great, there is a lot of things i didn't catch even on the replays

[@Martiniboy22]

As always Palmers Analysis on point

[@noelsony6169]

5:08 Christian came out of the pit and walked away like he was going to punch toto, valtteri and Lewis. Who knows, he may even had other ideas for James too.

[@brandonfromlondonuk3484]

Toto would slap Horner to the floor !

[@noelsony6169]

@@brandonfromlondonuk3484 i feel the same too!!!!!

[@budthecyborg4575]

Mercedes loves to cheat. The Hybrid Era is all a scam.

[@justanother67camaro32]

Great analysis, but I'd like to see the telemetry of throttle and brake as Jolyon is explaining. This would've been great after the incident at Silverstone and might have eased a lot of confusion.

[@unthenner5519]

I found it hilarious that the rain had all exactly dried by the end of the red flag, so that yet again we were denied a wet race!! 😆😆😆. Still, I'll take that wet first half a lap!

[@antonkirilenko3116]

I think it's even better when it's wet at the start and dries up during the race, because that's what forces teams to gamble on what is the right moment to put slicks on.

[@matttrevers2552]

It did at least give us the unique spectacle of a single car taking the start!

[@unthenner5519]

@@antonkirilenko3116 I agree, and that's what we were 'cruelly' denied lol.

[@powerofdreamx]

This is what I have been waiting for! Give us the insights, Palmer! 😬😭😅

[@apophisstr6719]

Bottas having poor start is like a tradition now.

[@4ntoCatch]

gasly and lance the same to be fair

[@khawajabasit977]

@@4ntoCatch George as well mate. He has had some extremely poor starts throughout the whole season. He even joked about it himself.

[@registrado54]

For real, and i remember him as usually having great starts

[@venomize05]

Traditions.

[@lobaandrade7172]

@@venomize05 *lifts Heinekin*

[@ImGaTor]

You forgot to mantion stroll which did the same thing as bottas and took out leclerc and ricciardo (i mean if we're gonna say bottas took out verstappen then ricciardo's damage should count the same way)

[@paulonobrega9006]

At least Stroll tried to find a gap and swerve to the right. In Bottas case, if you see it in slow motion, with the cockpit cam, he didnt even tried to avoid the crash, and he had plenty of space on both sides. In slow motion, watch the stearing wheel of Bottas before crash, instead of try to avoid the crash and swerve to any of the sides, he swerve left to really hit norris and push him onto the RB's. Everything we could say now it will be pure speculation, i can be unfair, but in my opinion it was deliberated.

[@erik6233]

@@paulonobrega9006 Utter nonsense.

[@TF10_FLAW]

@@paulonobrega9006 the first part i agree with but not the fact that bottas did it deliberately

[@joelambert7128]

@@paulonobrega9006 lock up your front wheels as badly as Bottas did then try to steer. See what happens.

[@ab8jeh]

@@paulonobrega9006 stroll was much worse, carried way too much speed, again.

[@davidpaul71]

Toto: one DNF away.. Bottas: Hold my drink kimi

[@laerlorn971]

First time Bottas has to take the blame for DNF this season. There was that unlucky guy with wheelgun and then amatour driver crashing in full speed corner

[@acegravvy3969]

I don't even feel sad for him anymore, just absolute pity

[@lukewood2662]

That was Turkey 2020 levels of goofy. He had space outside of Lando's rear but chose to stay there. Also didn't even try to avoid Checo, look at the angle at his steering wheel when he's sweeping across the track and kamikazing Checo.

[@chiefdenis]

@@lukewood2662 how was he supposed to avoid checo without a front left wheel?

[@lukewood2662]

@@chiefdenis So Lewis can finish the final laps of a race with only three wheels spinning in a very fast track but Valterri can't just steer right at 30 kph? Bruh

[@szillar3283]

“Valtteri this is James, execute order 66”

[@laurenz4528]

Order 44

[@BeardyGit89]

Get your own ideas, sheep

[@ItsCobraKaii]

Loooooooooooooool

[@tomadams94]

Trouble is some people actually believe that lol

[@1InVader1]

@@tomadams94 In 2008, SIngapore, Nelson Piquet Jr was ordered by Renault to crash to cause a safety car which would put Alonso in position to win the race. Is it really that hard to believe that Mercedes would use Bottas as a strategic bowling ball?

[@guqifei]

Actually Bottas was the real MVP for giving us the exciting race.

[@ajax2.087]

100% agree without him I predict it would have been a boring race where there are no overtakes

[@nerfedgod]

The only fun this year is watching Max take points away from Mercedes, apart from that, it's the same Mercedes dominance from the last 8 years or so, pretty much pointless to watch.

[@chriscollins550]

@@nerfedgod it's the same thing after every big rule change. One team will have the most upper hand over the rest till the next big rule change. It's just rinse and repeat.

[@incognitod8444]

nah, Alonso

[@hk6099]

Only Palmer noticed the Gasly problem. Great analysis. Bottas' crash looked similar to Vettel crashing into Ocon in Bahrain. Car in front brakes, car behind loses downforce, braking and crashes into car ahead.

[@Eden_24_]

Finally someone noticing Gasly's near miss

[@rafaelmartinmeuldijk6030]

And nicely after anticipate the whole situation to get out of there without a scratch .😎

[@TheXtrafresh]

Joylon's phone 1 minute after the start in Hungary: "hi this is Toto, I have sent you an email"

[@Lowdo1549]

Ha ha

[@Lowdo1549]

Jolyon, it’s James.

[@graf7451]

An e-mail with instruction how to remove Sergio & Max from the race and let LH to win.

[@tipsyMJT]

Wow could you imagine if gio had stayed out for the start on the slicks and somehow made it to the red flag without wrecking. He would have started in second against someone that was going to pit the next lap and he'd be miles above second. It could have been astonishing.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

Have you seen his onboards? He's lucky he didn't crash on those slicks. He had no grip whatsoever.

[@angelkilier]

That's only half of the story though. Stroll took out another 3 cars.

[@ShruteshKumar]

If you watch closely; Ocon is right behind Bottas & Norris; and brakes extra early because of the carnage right in front of him. Stroll is right behind Ocon, and is not ready for the early brakes (probably did not notice the bottas crash quickly enough); and by the time Stroll starts braking he is already going to hit Ocon, so he turns inwards, which helps him avoid Ocon, but the car does not stop once it goes onto the grass and he collects Leclerc instead. Stroll basically became the kingmaker at turn 1. If not for him Riccardo/Leclerc would have won as they were ahead of Ocon!

[@eferrari]

@@ShruteshKumar i thought stroll was right behind Leclerc in the ferrari

[@guido2490]

Yeah he talks about that too in the full episode

[@GloomGaiGar]

this is just half the video

[@laijer]

@@eferrari No, he was behind Ocon.

[@hyr0llr]

Imagine if Bottas avoided norris by going to the right, locks up, the smashes into hamilton. That would have been a great reaction to see from the Mercedes garage.

[@rishi857]

Toto: As of today, You are no longer part of this organization.

[@hyr0llr]

@@rishi857 exactly what i was thinking. his locker would be cleared out before he got back to the garage lol

[@robertphillips360]

Palmer is great in these. However, just a little critique in the full video he stated Verstappen's puncture in Baku, but it was in fact a tire failure.

[@EchoMirage72]

This is probably the best analysis of the incident that's been done so far. Bottas messed up, but Norris cut across on him forcing all kinds of issues for Bottas.

[@motoman1008]

What was he supposed to do? Give way to bottas or race the other 19 drivers? This is racing. Bottas made the mistake not Norris

[@valerierodger7700]

@@motoman1008 who said anything about Norris giving way? Refraining from veering into somebody is not "giving way" to them.

[@EchoMirage72]

@@motoman1008 This incident isn't nearly as egregious as Stoll hitting Le Clerc, or Gasly almost going into the back of Perez. The fact of the matter is Bottas missed a braking point, he didn't do it on purpose. Norris cut across in front of Bottas not once, but twice. No-one will talk about that though.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

@@EchoMirage72 Stroll locked the rears, which is not obvious on the onboard and thus it looks worse for him. And Norris cutting across in front of Bottas was fair and square, he did nothing wrong.

[@jimelliott5421]

While Bottas is at blame, that breakdown definitely makes it seem less amateur than other channels.

[@Otakahunt]

well it was never an amateur mistake. Its just that most people who watch F1 have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. To them downforce is magic which keeps cars glued to the track. :D Literally few weeks ago we had an indepth episode on downforce (or something like that) and it mentioned the braking downforce too, so the moment i saw this incident it was clear to me that this is exactly what happened... bottas had no downforce behind norris and thus couldnt slow down.

[@jimelliott5421]

@@Otakahunt Yes, i am aware of downforce. i used to work as a mechanic on a race team in the US, and am a former motorcycle racer as well. i was commenting on the attitude of the article vs other ones i have seen and how they apportion blame to Bottas.

[@edevard8445]

So you're saying that it's perfect conditions for unsafe racing due to the weather and lack of preparation. In this case we should have a rolling start

[@MarcelPolman]

Bottas locked up and Stroll went bowling.

[@jgonzalesm6]

Stroll decided to turn his F1 car into a Rally car and go off-road. Genius.🙄

[@TF10_FLAW]

@@jgonzalesm6 what stroll did was very smart, no sarcasm. stroll realized he messed up and decided to just go onto the grass and hope someone would notice and go out of the way. in fact, if he stayed on the track he would have done the exact same bottas did and wipe out a lot more cars than just leclerc and someone else i dont remember

[@Paul-zk2tn]

@@TF10_FLAW Ricciardo it was

[@mohammadzohorul8887]

@@TF10_FLAW THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS DANIEL RICARDO

[@4ntoCatch]

@@TF10_FLAW i would not call it smart but he was trying to avoid hitting others so he did have steering at least no brakes but steering .

[@DriversSeatReview]

If Gasly didn’t lock up he could have been caught up in that and got a dnf

[@formulafan4428]

Just the thing I needed after this day in home office to make it a bit better. Formula video + listening to the music I like (Delta Parole, Metallica and other) make me feel the speed and excitement!

[@prashanths8164]

I agree Bottas made a mistake. But he's being judged too hard due to the consequences of his actions rather than his actions in itself. A mistake is quite common in those sudden dramatic weather conditions.

[@ananthu8534]

Stroll's case is justifiable . But a driver like Bottas with enough experience should atleast behave like what is expected to do in such dangerous race conditions .

[@cvetkovlive]

He is driving for a team and getting paid crazy money not to make those type of mistakes. Should of been a race ban instantly. Got away with the given penalty too easy.

[@Inferiis]

@@cvetkovlive so Stroll should be banned as well? His mistake was even worse (not the outcome, but the mistake itself)

[@stormageddon248]

I love these analysis. Always a fresh and seemingly unbiased view

[@TheWill2Fail]

Gasly has 99 in awareness i see 😂

[@NipponStiqqyPaint]

Palmer is a fantastic analyst

[@H45H1M.80]

The main thing I liked about this race os that Williams score points

[@WigneyR]

Yeah and they only had to lose all the front runners to do so!

[@sgyt5224]

@@WigneyR Wow

[@rustyshackleford00]

Excellent opinion. I agree 100%; I thought the exact same when I watched the onboard camera views. Thanks for publishing this video.

[@huplim]

Great stuff Jolyon. Love these analysis

[@RogerM88]

What happened at turn 1 In Hungary? *Bowling time*

[@Ellen1600]

🤣

[@thomascrawley5972]

I wonder if Perez could’ve survived Turn 1 if he’d been hit by Gasly. He might’ve taken damage to the rear, but there’s a possibility he could have been pushed wide out of the way of the harder side-on hit from Bottas, which completely took out his side pod.

[@joelambert7128]

Yeah but a rear impact puts a lot of stress on the driven axles, gearbox and potentially the engine itself - recipe for a DNF later in the race.

[@Paul-zk2tn]

@@joelambert7128 Didnt look like it would have been a big impact at all. Though given it was just as Perez was turning he most certainly would have spun round and ended up at the back of the grid. Certainly better than out the race with a totaled engine.

[@registrado54]

With the grip they all had i think he would have hit the wall anyways

[@antonkirilenko3116]

@@joelambert7128 More immediate threat is the damage to the diffuser and the floor. With a damaged diffuser you lose a lot of downforce. I think Lando retired specifically because of the damage to the diffuser and the floor, not axles, gearbox or engine.

[@jeroenromijn4351]

Great analysis and explanation! First time I hear that Gasly was nearly in the same situation as Bottas. Learned a lot today.

[@lamachhorne9043]

First of all, it's quite surprising to me and a bit unfair, the amount of flack thrown Bottas' way after the incident. I remember the pit straight pile up at Portimao last year. No one called out any particular driver in that incident and that was in the dry. As I watched the replay looking from turn one, it seems Bottas' decision to position himself directly behind Norris was more to his undoing than braking too late. There was ample space to his left. That said, it appears Norris brake significantly sooner than the other front runners, which is what really caught Valtteri out. Gasly narrowly escaped thanks to Checo braking that much later. The long and short of it is the track became quite slippery due to the light rain and this could've happened to any driver.

[@bananatree2527]

Norris was on the inside, he had to brake earlier than the Red Bulls on the outside. The inside line is much tighter.

[@Brian_Tabor]

He wreaked Lando to hit max what he deserves is a season ban. Who slams the throttle the second of an accident and keep it pinned until they drive through 3 cars? 2:51Totally an accident. Yeah okay.

[@schwubbi]

@@Brian_Tabor do you know physics? they don't have as much space for their feet, and even in normal cars it often happens in a crash that your foot gets slammed into the pedal. your feet are not fixed in the car (or oyu couldn't use the pedals at all), so, if you suddenly slow down very fast, like hitting another car, your car gets slower, but your foot will go on, and you see him going off the throttle when he looses contact, and then gets on the throttle to get off the track, there was no chance evading checo anymore.

[@Brian_Tabor]

@@schwubbi What about the short shifting into 5th and 6th. You want me to believe he not only short shifted 5th and 6th. Positioning himself closer to the redbull cars. But then didn't brake. And then. Accidentally held the throttle at no point letting go of it. So he made made 5 accidents in quick succession that all culminate in him just happening to drive through all 3 cars that are problem in the championship. That just happens to be the perfect result for Mercedes. That is what you want me to believe happened? Is that what you are saying?

[@Brian_Tabor]

@@schwubbi Right! Right! Right! So he locks the tires up before contact. Not on throttle. Then. Accidentally gets on full throttle and stays on full throttle the whole time on accident. After short shifter 5th and then 6th. While somehow not understanding you need more than 8 ft to the car ahead. Braking late and taking the perfect line through all the cars. Woooooooo. That's a whole lot of BS to believe. That would take a lot of faith. Man I just don't bow down at the alter of Mercedes like that. It's just not in me to believe so much BS. And have that much faith that a cheat org like them wouldn't cheat.

[@lewissavaidis]

i really appreciate these break downs, top stuff.

[@dangreen8835]

Bit cheeky making the full version pay only. Always like JP's long and detailed analysis.

[@4ntoCatch]

gotta make a living .its not all race to the bottom gig economy .

[@DeKempster]

LOL, i didnt even know there was a longer version before this. And i have F1TV Pro. Thanks mate!

[@mohammadzohorul8887]

@@DeKempster I CANNOT EVEN FIND IT IN F1 TV PRO

[@DeKempster]

@@mohammadzohorul8887 link in description. Also your shift key is stuck.

[@conceptualmessiah01]

@@DeKempster he's just yelling like a real Muslim.

[@6058jeremysmith]

Nicely done Jolyon, great analysis...

[@1402yash]

This Race was a Gem...we got to see some raw driving talents... ALONSO's scary defense against a 7 time champion MAX's showed absolute genius driving with half a car OCON's massive victory by leading and defending from a 4 time champion LEWIS'S rise through the grid after mercs strategy fail. LATIFI's important race of his life probably. It was an great to watch them race...

[@Roman-ug1jl]

true driving talent from bottas especially

[@1402yash]

@@Roman-ug1jl i actually feel sorry for him..😅... everyone is hating him now...

[@Roman-ug1jl]

no i’m sure merc is very happy because he ruined races for the entire top 5 besides his teammate

[@1402yash]

@Majority of 1 lol my bad 🤣

[@Roman-ug1jl]

he deserves a bigger penalty than a 5 grid drop

[@lesshrubb203]

A brilliant analysis, Jolyon, thank you. It doesn't change anything, but it does help me to understand how it all happened!

[@jitendrakotak]

Listening to JP till first minute, he said drivers had no clue about grip as it started raining after cars were in the grid. Shouldn't race director have started the race behind the safety car ? If they knew that standing start would be a recipe for disaster!! Just a thought 💭

[@pixelboujee]

They love the drama

[@antonkirilenko3116]

They only start under safety car if it's heavy rain and only on wet tyres(not inters). There was no reason to do a rolling start.

[@Foxtrot6624]

They weren't even on wets they were on slicks lol, this entire incident is entirely overblown it had nothing to do with track conditions and everything to do with Bottas panicking after yet another botched start from him

[@jitendrakotak]

I get it. Then people shouldn't make a big fuss about this crash. This was not the first crash of F1. This was not even intentional like Senna or Schumi. Conditions were not ideal, he made a bad decision. End of story. People's feelings are hurt because of their attachment to certain drivers. But if one thinks objectively, these things happen!!

[@Dinara1up]

I don't understand why Norris cutting Bottas off like that, even with so much space to his right, isn't taken into consideration. He might as well have caused a wreck there, if Bottas didn't react quick.

[@thekitowl]

I thought Norris shouldn’t have made that move , especially in the wet. What did he expect to happen.

[@TheForce_Productions]

BOT: "they never listen to me when I say is gonna be two stopper, but when I say two crashes... 😏"

[@stylercreations]

Question. When you see Bottas breaking, it only seemed to stop the front left wheel, the right front seems to be still spinning. Why is that?

[@MrErricoMalatesta]

So not only did he brake too late, but he actually went back on the accelerator when everyone else was braking?

[@martroffe]

Well, well all make mistakes. Some can't brake on time, others can't spell so well.

[@r3drum3k92]

@@martroffe your mother called milk is ready

[@agoogleuser2369]

Always the best overview and analysis by my favorite, Mr. Jolyon Palmer. We love you dude!

[@0megalul309]

Valterri: execute order 66, eliminate the bulls.

[@alexismandelias]

Thanks for the detailed analysis!

[@msagoo29]

Bottas’ bowling alley manoeuvre reminds me of the Pastor Crashdanaldo days

[@ApothecaryTerry]

*Crashtor Maldonado ☺

[@conceptualmessiah01]

Grosjean did it better. (worse)

[@trance9158]

Or Crashstappen days

[@user-jg6vi4cd7v]

Wow i missed Gasly too! Mr Palmer doesn't miss a trick! it's refreshing to hear what's going on from F1 actual drivers than wannabe pundits, as you have been in the car and situations, Like Mr. Brundle - Jolyon they know the game inside-out!

[@ehemalssimehtt3739]

❤️ Fernando Alonso & Alpine & Esteban Ocon ❤️

[@mohamedvawda7684]

Jolyon please help us understand why seb is disqualified (the harshest penalty) for having 0.7 litres less fuel than required at the end whereas bottas gets a 5 place grid penalty for wiping out so many cars?

[@GloomGaiGar]

Because the rules don't care about the result of violations only the violations themselves. Very simple. That's how laws work too. They punish the action not the result.

[@mohamedvawda7684]

@@GloomGaiGar I understand that but the harshness of the penalty should correlate to the seriousness of the offence. Vettel didn't endager anyone, did not have a performance advantage and didn't cause a collision and a dq for that is disproportionately harsh.

[@rollercoaster478]

Bottas was the best wingman Ham could have asked for in this race lol 😅🤷‍♂️

[@Inferiis]

yes and no. As you can see in Hamilton's rear view footage, Norris almost hit his rear wheel. So I doubt it was even a bit intentional. If they were to be 1 km/h faster, Hamilton would've been out as well (or at least spun and a potential puncture)

[@glensmall9194]

Excellent. Thank you very much

[@weeslayer]

I'm a bit more curious on how much it cost for each teams, knowing that all these rigs are friggin expensive

[@eEnzo0]

That complete barge board on Max is over 1 mil usd to make (plus the floor section), and then you take in consideration the broken engine on Perez which cannot be salvaged. Only on Redbull you're looking at over 4 mil in repairs

[@autumnleaf2976]

@@eEnzo0 they takes into account the R&D cost while calculating the price of a component. Actual cost of production is significantly less.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

Millions of dollars. More importantly, imo, Bottas cost Perez his engine, while Stroll cost Leclerc his engine, which means grid penalties for exceeding engine quota later in the season. Also, crash with Hamilton in Silverstone did actually damage Max' engine so they put on a new one for this GP. Meaning, Max will also have to face a grid penalty further down the season.

[@eEnzo0]

@@autumnleaf2976, every part is hand made and the barge board is huge, it takes days to be made. The engines themselves without R&D are costing millions, they are one package with the electric motor and power cell. Try buying a F1 Judd V10 and see the cost, then think about the complexity of a current F1 engine thats tenfold more than a modern 2004 F1 engine

[@autumnleaf2976]

@@eEnzo0 hand built or not the body parts (not commenting on engine) does not cost 1 million USD to manufacture

[@MO-sx7re]

Great analysis!

[@GodsMemeTV]

5:53 - ultimate F1 PANIC looks like this 😂😂😂

[@bradfordsmithmusic]

Nice camera work and editing.

[@rgbcom]

brilliant analysis as always

[@MorrisonNo8]

Norris and Red Bulls words toward Bottas were harsh I believe, Norris basically said Bottas doesn't know what he's doing and Red Bull accused him of bowling, the man rarely crashes.(Bottas)

[@thekitowl]

Not sure what Norris was expecting, cutting in on someone in the wet just before a corner.

[@4ntoCatch]

norris was right in stating the obvious that it was bottas error. what else is he going to say i selected reverse gear?

[@4ntoCatch]

@@thekitowl you are allowed to do that

[@thekitowl]

@@4ntoCatch don’t doubt that, but you have to hope the guy you’ve cut up can stop in time.

[@nickolastiguan]

If this was 5 pin bowling, Bottas would have gotten a strike.

[@iankristofferbringas8676]

Its not an error for bottas. He just secure his spot in mersedes for 2022.

[@bastion9514]

Looks like Lando might have braked slightly earlier as well which gave Bottas even less margin for error, still Bottas should have been on the anchors way earlier he had no where to go so braking late had no reward only risk.

[@wscottwalters74]

Any awareness and he would have immediately ducked out of Lando’s back spray. Left or right - just choose.

[@hape4]

@3:49 look at the position of Leclerc very close in the back of Bottas and then you can see Bottas pulling away of him, still on the throttle while Leclerc brakes and leaves space in front of him. And Valterri so close in the rear of the car in front of him (no load on the front wing) should have braked even earlier. A huge mistake of him here.

[@MarJov]

Jolyon's professionality is insane! Well done as always, didn't even see Gasly's onboard.

[@Colin_Barnes]

I'm loving these so much! Keep it up Palmer!!

[@oshtirola6512]

Am I the only one who think its odd, that the DRS detection line counts for both DRS zones? When Hamilton was overtaking Sainz, he was already in front of Sainz when turning into the first corner, but was able to use DRS again in DRS-zone 2

[@joaoandrade2828]

Agreed. If your car is already ahead, then you shouldn't get another free DRS (unless you entered this new DRS zone within 1 sec behind the next car, of course).

[@thawk6792]

Montreal and Australia also have double drs zones, it really doesn't seem fair to the driver in front , if trailing driver can pass in 1st zone, they get to pull away from the car they just passed in the 2nd zone , it would be better racing if they both had drs in 2nd zone IMO

[@antonkirilenko3116]

@@thawk6792 I think Mexico also has a double DRS zone.

[@nordsterngsd]

Perfect post mortem , Jolyon 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@msiqueira-dev]

A whole video from F1 to defend Bottas, and the mask the brillant move from Merc. Merc is now having wine together celebrating they're beating their rivals by using unfair advantages.

[@joyduru245]

Your just sad now

[@rickylafleur5823]

@@joyduru245 think that all that hair gel is seeping into his tiny brain.

[@joyduru245]

@@rickylafleur5823 😂 you have a point

[@Jacob-cj9hm]

That was clearly a mistake. Are you alright?

[@xmdsamm718]

How about collision between stroll and leclerc? Please could we have an analysis of this too. Thanks so much for this one, it was great.

[@krishnachaithanya3899]

Stroll.: Am I a joke to you Not even included in your analysis 😂😂😂

[@4ntoCatch]

we all kno about lawn mower man

[@samwelagwata3845]

pay for F1TV to watch the full analysis. This is the free youtube version.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

On F1TV there is a full analysis with Stroll crash, Alfa Romeo penalties, bizzare restart, etc.

[@GloomGaiGar]

gotta pay for daddy's cash

[@palosamo]

I'd love to see the telemetry of the cars on approach to turn 1. Also, there was room for two cars between Bottas and Perez after Norris cut in front of Bottas. Did Valtteri not realise Sergio was already close to the outside or was it too late to change his line to something more safe? Or was it the lack of visibility that caused the confusion and made him freeze and stay on course to an inevitable crash?

[@8bitgamerC64]

In changeable weather conditions would a rolling start ever be a consideration?

[@johnwhittaker311]

They used to be when it was really wet, but recently they’ve wanted to do standing starts because they’re more interesting (see this race)

[@nautical1078]

No, this is part of driver skill, rolling start gives less opportunities of wet weather skilled drivers to succeed.

[@pauldegroot1959]

The F3 race before F1 had a rolling start. It was a lot wetter then, though.

[@andrewbailey7999]

If it's so wet as to be dangerous then yes, they do sometimes start behind the safety car. It's rare though

[@antonkirilenko3116]

Not wet enough for the rolling start.

[@SchrottgamesLP]

What camera are you using for these? Seems way to grainy for the level of production F1 is working with

[@thatoneguy476]

Toto: Oh no, anyway

[@prachuryyabaruah6551]

Finally someone noticed how close Gasly was to a 2021 DTM drive

[@missy8351]

What happened ?

[@daveblue3733]

@@missy8351 If Perez wouldn't turn in and Gasly stays in his line or not move outside. It would have been Gasly that would crash into Pérez instead of Bottas.

[@missy8351]

@@daveblue3733 thanks

[@prachuryyabaruah6551]

@@missy8351 He almost became the one to take out Perez before Bottas, missed by an inch and the deed was done by Bottas

[@kg-4062]

Love it ..maximum chaos! Cracks me up how RB fans could think it was planned 🤣

[@5dmkiii60]

I know this is silly as I know little about F1, but is it better to have brakes that lock up the wheels than use something every family car has....anti-lock brakes? Would that be against some, "unfair advantage" rule to have them? Seems to me driver safety would be more important than some rule saying you can't have them. Just wondering.

[@wornouttires4948]

In short:Valtteri missed his braking point by miles then signed a extension at Merc.😂

[@mikelewis495]

You got a source for that contract extension rumor?

[@4ntoCatch]

signed for alfa or williams

[@rainbow0507]

Sorry I may not have understood the detail explained by Jolyon. Am I wrong or Bottas started in second gear? I can see "2" on the steering wheel.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

Everyone, apart from Kimi, I think, started in 2nd gear. It's a normal practice during a wet start.

[@hosephanerothe1440]

Gasly avoiding Perez on the gravel was 👌🏻

[@manishmahra1453]

He didn’t avoid him, Perez turned and avoided Gasly.

[@vegetsofray9163]

@@manishmahra1453 i think he’s talking about avoiding perez’s car after bottas slammed into him

[@4ntoCatch]

@@vegetsofray9163 before....not after

[@4ntoCatch]

@Majority of 1 doh

[@4ntoCatch]

apart from everything you have said your 100% right. no gravel and perez got out the way

[@AdyShort]

Be interesting to work out where Lewis would have come out if he had pitted for slicks on the restart, by the time he would have been released would cars further down have been done and gone, would they have had a red light at the pit Lane exit?

[@FormulaOneManagementFOM]

Fun fact: Alonso sacrificed his chances of getting sainz for a podium to secure ocons win

[@TheBasher-_-]

No he didnt. He just couldn't get to him. He was trying to get 1st just as much as Ocon. Stop acting like hes a Saint he just did his job.

[@majedalmorabee2593]

No he didn't at all, if he could he would

[@DunkinDonutGoesFast]

@@TheBasher-_- and sometimes a driver's job is to hold off on their own achievements for the better of the team. And Alonso executed that perfectly

[@nasmr9430]

Mazespin

[@nicowagner2427]

@@majedalmorabee2593 Maybe Alonso managed to catch up Sainz. Catching up is one thing, overtaking the other especially in Hungary. Alpine is not bad, but they are only 5th in the constructors. In Hungary you can only overtake if you are much faster. Alonso have a lot of experience so he managed to keep Hamilton behind for 3-4 laps, that was absolutely amazing. I am even not sure if Hamilton would have won this race if he passed Alonso earlier. He catches the frontrunners Vettel and Ocon pretty fast but than he would've lost again 2-3 laps each until he could overtake. He might get Vettel but I actually don't think he would have got both.

[@NameEncrypted]

At 4:08 All experienced drivers stack odd, even pattern which gives clear space for turn and time to slow down. Others who wants to get wet in rain line-up on left 😂

[@realhkv4082]

I love these analyses

[@OAT21OVERDRIVE]

Love this analysis. Fact is this