What RUINED Butch Hartman? (A Legacy DESTROYED by Pride)

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[@АллаПрокофьева-ц2ч]

Nice, New video after Smg4 Movie: PUZZLEVISION! Also can you review and let's watch Eleanor's Secret (2009) that Italian-French animated feature film.

[@Skibidiscemo]

Yesss

[@EngineerRiff]

Could you do another MLP G5 review, because the series has gotten better

[@Skibidiscemo]

@@EngineerRiffIt has

[@juliangandara9552]

Fun fact: Trixie and Sparky were voiced by a blind actricess and a trans actricess respecteply, i can imagined how many jokes Butch made at their expence

[@TheInkTank]

Kuro here. I appreciate you covering my side of the story in this video. The conflict between Butch and myself happened years before I went public with the information. Originally I had no intention of making a big fuss about it, but I eventually decided to speak up against his mishandling of our contract to officially distance myself from him once I caught wind of the harmful and offensive statements he made about mental illness. I opened the court case as a testament that his "unstoppable force" is penetrable, in hopes to inspire others to take appropriate actions as well. It was also to clarify that despite previously working for him, I do not hold the same views and opinions, which many unfortunately assumed at the time. However, I do want to clarify that some of the statements in this video are incorrect. I was not replaced for ImagiNathan, but in fact was the replacement for the original animator, Jeremy Chinshue, whose work you are showcasing in the video. That version was completed and scrapped before he brought me on. The version of ImagiNathan I worked on was a more action-focused reboot featuring an older version of Nathan. Aside from showcasing a few frames of an animatic I put together featuring boards from an unknown artist, all of my work on my version of ImagiNathan never saw the light of day. This also includes the work I did for Elf Detective, which I also largely went underpaid for and was scrapped as well.

[@tylerbertram7065]

Kuro you're an amazing artist and you seem like good guy, I'm sorry you got screwed over by this man you called your hero. I hope you're doing better now and I love your Ben 10 videos keep up the good work my man.

[@jacobcaron2280]

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[@thepaintingbanjo8894]

Help get this comment pinned!!!! Respect that you chose to speak up when you did. Respect that you didn't want to make it public and personal at first, until the patterns of Butch being a gaslighting cultish manipulator started becoming too obvious for him to keep hidden away any further. And respect for your talents and where they'll take you next!

[@Wince_Media]

I'm really happy you added some clarifications. I'm sad thus comment wasn't at the top when I first found it

[@TheMaskedWarrior-qq4kr]

holy shit lois its the creator of peak fiction

[@Savior_of_the_union]

Hartman is crazy for saying he "paved the way for serialized cartoons" while showing AVATAR THE LAST AIRBENDER💀💀💀

[@annaadams9706]

right avatar premiered only a year after danny but was in production way before danny

[@Dumbledoresarmy13]

Teen Titans also started before DP and as much as some of the episodes can be rearranged there were arcs in that series and character development as well. Code Lyoko (also from '04) had some arcs and development. And of course there was already plenty of serialized anime.

[@renzokuken7777]

You can go back further with X-Men, Spider-Man, and Gargoyles shows...

[@UranusKiller]

Astro Boy.

[@sonicsnake44]

Yeah it's not like 90s x-men & spider-man existed or anything.

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

They almost entirely removed Butch from the new FOP reboot, and bam, immediate and genuinely shocking level of improvement.

[@enegizedadam]

Yep

[@quiggs8361]

There’s a new Fairly Odd Parents reboot??

[@davemyanimations]

what new reboot? THERES NO REBOOT. THERES A SPIN OF SERIES THO.

[@veneersnumber1fan]

@@quiggs8361yesss!! Fairly odd parents a new wish!! Totally reccomended it

[@MoonlightMirage]

There's no reboot - there's a sequel/spin-off series called A New Wish, though

[@irritated_name]

when fairly odd parents was cancelled, i can only imagine he shook his fist, "Hillenburg!"

[@thecaptain6520]

Tin-Foil hat conspiracy: Dinkleburg is Hillenburg It explains why Timmy's Dad is always jealous of him for having it better

[@johnnyrocketfingaz]

never thought about that until now. Wow​@@thecaptain6520

[@cdogthehedgehog6923]

That was the clearest image I've ever seen in my brain.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

"Curse you, Hillenburg!"

[@Gilicus18793420blazingfury]

Hillenburg just chilling behind the pearly gates: "Ya'll hear sumthin'?"

[@locust031]

He gave Butch the “what happened” video essay with the thumbnail of the person with their eyes crossed out by their actions, it’s so over.

[@josephtafur]

Very over

[@EddieWelch-hk8vs]

It's joever

[@lexderp2766]

Liar isn’t the best word for him either. Arrogant is the best description of him

[@stoopidpursun8140]

At least he's not as bad as John Kricfalusi.

[@KrimsonKattYT]

@@stoopidpursun8140 Yeah at least he's not a pedophile. YET.

[@ByrdieFae]

Holy crap. I'd have walked out if someone joked that I caused someone's suicide, I wouldn't care about whatever contracts I was under. What the heck.

[@dinosaysrawr]

If I hadn't just been struck speechless in that situation, I would've been tempted to lob a volley back or at least say, "Pardon, WTF?"

[@2oshow]

These are celebrities, I’m not surprised that they’d just act like he didn’t say what he said so they can just keep up the optics. I wouldn’t blame her for calling him out right there in a professional manner, not just going ape mode. But integrity is lost on most celebrities.

[@Benjamillion]

Welcome to Butch Hartman's mind. Take a number

[@AJR-zg2py]

@@2oshow They might be notable in their field but they are by no means "celebrities" in terms of earning value. People like Tara are freelance mercenary actors - Tara is fortunately in that 5% that regularly book work since she's good at what she does. Give Hartman's significant influence at Nickelodeon, Tara was obviously tempering her reaction - because pissing off Butch means pissing off Nick because for a long stretch he was the "golden goose"... and if you're mostly working in animation, you do DO not want to piss off Nick and risk being blacklisted. There are so many professional implications for speaking out against a creator like Butch who had Nick by the balls for the better part of a decade.

[@hannahbecker2309]

And he jokes about it!? That actress was Tara's friend and he jokes about her friend death!? How dare he!? I feel Tara's pain because I too lost my friend.... She passed away on December 2020! Hearing Butch making that joke both makes me sad and angry!

[@ScribeGossett]

Christian with depression here. I've always found it so confusing when other Christians tell you that depression is some kind of personal failure on your part. We are supposed to help and soothe those who are suffering. Kindness and caring for others is supposed to be a cornerstone of our faith. (Also, we're not supposed to pass judgement on others.)

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Oh they love to put their hands on their hips and judge while swaying from side to side

[@elizaalmabuena]

I hope you are having the opportunity to tackle the depression. I know words from an outsider doesn't really help much, but still.

[@THATBrokeAroSpecWallet]

YES, SOMEONE SAID IT. HUMANS AREN'T THE ONES WHO CHOOSE WHO GOES TO HEAVEN OR HELL, WE CAN'T JUDGE OTHERS OURSELVES- HOW DO PEOPLE NOT KNOW THISSSS

[@M_CFV]

"we're not supposed to pass judgement on others" yeah no sorry that isnt biblical at all

[@ScribeGossett]

I mean, Matthew 7:1-2? John 8:7? Well known Luke 6:31? James 4:12? Romans 2:1?

[@LordLemmysLabs]

Calling introverts selfish is rich coming from an extrovert whose entire personality revolves around himself being "the creator of your childhood"

[@Enoch610]

classic extrovert projection

[@Skulll9000]

1:05:10

[@MrJimmyTide]

“If you don’t want to talk to me, it means you don’t like me.” You’re right. ;)

[@photofreak56]

The amount of introverts who will go out of their way to help people and not talk about doing so out ways the amount of extroverts who will do kind things just to be kind (clearly this is in my experience)

[@Weirdanimalboy]

“Nobody ever knows what you’re thinking” Okay??? You don’t need to broadcast every single thought that pops into your head Butch

[@TheKaiser416]

As someone who was raised Christian... Wanting to be personally credited with someone getting into Heaven has to be one of THE most blasphemous things I've ever heard in my LIFE!

[@JohnSmith-xv1tp]

Yea. I'm not christian anymore, but I still remember so many verses like the back of my hand, and what Hartman wants does sound like blasphemy. He might be able to spread the gospel, but taking credit for directly saving people and getting them into heaven? That's God's doing according to the bible, not Hartman's nor anyone else's. 1 Corinthians 3:5-7: What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe-as the Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.

[@gunchapred8933]

It’s the most ironic thing about people like Hartman. Speaking as a fellow Christian, I’ve seen this all too many times. Funnily enough, there is an entire commandment about false prophets, those who would pride themselves on being the ones to give you the keys to the pearly gates. And I’m pretty sure god isn’t a big fan of them.

[@angelsartandgaming]

​@@gunchapred8933yeah. Because both God and Jesus were like "hey look, watch out for false prophets. Don't pray publicly."

[@hartfartpoptart]

​@@angelsartandgamingAnd do your good works in private, not make documentaries about them.

[@Ramsey276one]

W T A F !?!

[@_tyler32]

Imagine getting mad at being fired from a show for not doing the job well. And then blaming the show for not being good. That's so petty it's comical

[@bigjalapeno7061]

Yea really

[@cliffturbo2146]

In other word, life is unfair

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

Was the My Little Pony show from the late 80's good?

[@drawnwithlove3499]

@@mariajimenafigueroa233 depends on your perspective, I suppose. If you're looking for a critically acclaimed show with deep themes and feature film-level cinematography, then no. However, it was a very popular show for young girls and did what it did best: be positive, sweet and happy. It's a staple for many children growing up in the 80s and of course it paved way for MLP: Friendship Is Magic, which is arguably one of the most influential animated shows of the last decade. But that's all subjective. I suppose you'd have to watch a bit for yourself to see.

[@Snowflakethehusky6667]

The writer excuse :Objection na ah

[@DangericeDreams]

Butch Hartman is a good case study on what happens when you let popularity get to your head. First, his writing started to suffer. Then, he basically became a poorly written cartoon character himself.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Greek tragedy, every time.

[@DangericeDreams]

If anyone from UTTP comments below, please report them. First option - only takes a second.

[@dracodracarys2339]

basically a greek tragedy, except that butch hartman probably couldn't fight a chimera

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

​@@DangericeDreams You can say that: Butch Hartman went from a fairy to an anti-fairy

[@HarvoSpoon]

so you're saying he became what became of his characters?

[@Corfaisus]

Hearing his wife say that they want people to approach them in Heaven and tell them that they're the reason they're there makes me question their faith in general. Who's the Savior here, Butch? I'm shivering just thinking about it.

[@CrystalWings12]

False prophet behavior at its finest.

[@spongecakes1986]

I mean, I completely understand fantasizing about that. Everyone has self indulgent fantasies every once in awhile, and that'd just feel great if it happened. But to say that's your end goal? I feel like saying your end goal is to be a guiding light that brings people closer to god would even be fine. I mean, that's basically the point of making the show outwardly Christian. But to say that your end goal is to have people say you got them into heaven is truly egotistical.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

If there's a heaven, they're not going to it.

[@Goabnb94]

Tara says that Bergman was her friend right as Butch starts making jokes about suicide, and the look of Tara's face says it all.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

It really, really makes me wonder what happened to that Tara who clearly had a lot of integrity to be shocked like that to make her go full Zionist just a few months ago.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Controversies aside, I really feel bad for Tara though.

[@ChimeraMK]

@@poweroffriendship2.0 Yeah, to be told right in the face that she's the reason someone is gone is horrible.

[@boohop9566]

That’s a slap in the face to somebody who voiced your most iconic character for 20 years…I couldn’t believe it

[@eli3silver]

i was writing while watching and I dropped my pen when I heard it. Usually when your hear celebs saying something they shouldn't have its usually misinterpreted or sensationalized. This...this was just in bad taste, poor Tara.

[@windego999]

My jaw DROPPED when I heard him say "It was probably your fault" about Mary Kay's death and Tara. I don't know how anybody could possibly think that was even remotely OK to say, let alone laugh about.

[@taejasper1343]

I know, right? I love MKB so much and her work was phenomenal, especially shows like South Park! She was such an important part of the show's success in its early seasons and stuff, and I truly can't thank her enough for it! Without her, in my opinion, the show wouldn't be where it is today, where it stands amongst a pillar with the animation greats! It truly is a masterpiece of a series, and I think that that can be said that she was probably one of the people that it's most to thank for that right there, guys! And Mary helped contribute so much to the show, it's awesome what she did! She should be thanked for what she did, and she truly will be missed forever! RIP! Tara shouldn't be blamed for her friend and longtime voice coach's at all! She had nothing to do with it! Stop it, Butch!

[@glasperle77]

@@taejasper1343 that's BS as well tho. you sugarcoat her. you should always treat deceased with respect. respect means not sugarcoat them and put them into a pink bubble without critique but also not making jokes about them. I agree tho that to funnily blame someone for a death can have legal consequences even.

[@taejasper1343]

@@glasperle77 I'm not doing that at all! What are you talking about? That's stupid! I'm not sugarcoating anything, bro!

[@gracekim1998]

@@glasperle77kid, you need to read stuff more carefully because you have clearly misunderstood what has been said here. No one sugarcoated anything🤦‍♀️

[@HalE14]

Yeah that’s a gross joke. Like who was actually laughing at that???

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

"People who critique are weak" How did this man even survive art school??

[@RayPointerChannel]

There is a difference in critiquing and pointing out things to make improvements. That is considered constructive criticism. Any good Director should be able to do that. In doing that, the actor or Animator is motivated to do better and the results are mutually satisfying. A number of Animation Directors I worked under did not have this understanding. And any Director who belittles someone working for him is a hack, while the best know how to lead and inspire.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@RayPointerChannel Critique is the word for constructive criticism. I think you mistook critique for criticise?

[@Lucario-Knight_Aura]

@@elvingearmasterirma7241 They're all the same thing. Criticize is the action of giving critique. Also to remark on what RayPointer says, critiquing is the act of pointing things out to make improvements. Not all forms of criticism are constructive and helpful, but constructive criticism is still a form of critique, and are not actually two different things

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@Lucario-Knight_Aura No. No they're not all the same thing. To criticise is to be thoroughly negative. It is to just tear someone down with no regard for their improvement. Destructive criticism. Critique is a detailed analysis and assessment. To have your words be considered a critique it has to describe the issue and then offer up suggestions on how to improve or make it better.

[@atlasvoidx]

@@Lucario-Knight_Aurathe other person is right, the official definition of criticize is to indicate the faults of someone or something in a disapproving or negative way

[@Humbledingify]

Ironic, considering Pride is considered the deadliest of the deadly sins.

[@vorbo01]

The deadly sins aren't actual Christian doctrine just so you know

[@Columbina3rdHarbringer]

​@@vorbo01not Rage ?

[@vorbo01]

@@Columbina3rdHarbringer wot

[@Pepesmall]

Actually fentanyl is the deadliest sin

[@TheIrreverentUncleAl]

@@Pepesmall George Floyd moment.

[@xobunnyfangsxo]

Hearing his wife say "Could you imagine someone committing suicide because of your show?" just immediately made me think of the guy who was a huge fan of Ember and went on a murder spree before ending his own life. Since Butch wants to take full credit for the cartoons he worked on, I wonder what he thinks about that. EDIT: I am not blaming the Hartmans for Randy Stair. My point is that since Butch wants to take full credit for the shows he worked on, then someone committed a crime and offed themselves because of his cartoon. A cartoon he tried to sneak Christian values in. He wants to tout his ego and how his stuff is better and more Christian, so it's ironic that his work indirectly caused what happened.

[@aleksakuljanin2442]

I read about Randy Stair years before he started getting noticed more often on the internet. It's definitely because of how the world is nowadays and everyone being chronically online, but I couldn't help thinking about Randy Stair whenever Butch talked about introverts, mental illness and all that. People have killed and committed suicide because of his shows, even if it's just Randy Stair. The world's biggest problems are cause by people who pretend they don't exist, which is exactly what Hartman is as well as most people over 40 years old nowadays.

[@tylerbertram7065]

I mean you can't really blame that on Butch or his wife.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@aleksakuljanin2442 It says here that Mary Bergman suffered from bipolar and generalized anxiety disorders, which she hid from her family, friends, and co-stars. So no it's not Tara's fault.

[@joeymalaria4702]

i remember actually reading his fanfiction

[@stoiccrane4259]

He can't control want other people choose to do under the influence of his shows. It's like blaming Christopher Nolan for the movie massacre because of that nut James Holmes liking Heath Ledger's Joker. It's absurd. We're responsible strictly for our own thoughts, actions, feelings and behaviors, and perhaps the behavior of our offspring until a certain age and no one else.

[@Gormathius]

"He fights ghosts, but not the ghosts of dead people-" Well what are they then? The ghosts of christmas past, present and future?

[@tiraXpyrrha]

They're Cybernetic Ghosts of Christmas Past from the Future.

[@GlitterRain15]

I would’ve absolutely stood up and asked him “then what about Sidney Pointdexter?”

[@quietone2674]

Wait, Desire, the Lunch Lady, and Sidney Poindexter *were* ghosts of dead people! The Lunch Lady was literally Casper High's former lunch lady, and Desire was a woman who never found love, and Sydney...I think he was actually bullied to death. Pretty screwed up when you think about it. That was actually something that annoyed me about Danny Phantom when I looked back at it. I liked the show, but they actually started with an interesting premise about talking to the actual dead...then you got tech-obsessed Gilbert Godfrey and the cyborg hunter. I liked some of that stuff, but it kind of took away the whole "ghost" part.

[@johnnydjiurkopff]

​@@tiraXpyrrhabased aqua teen enjoyer.

[@Roadent1241]

Can... Hmm. Can emotions have ghosts? Is that what they are?

[@mrterp04]

I find it funny that almost every Butch Hartman drawing of Butch Hartman looks like the Chad meme

[@gracekim1998]

It’s because he wasn’t the character designer of his shows

[@Joeynator3000]

I just see the trollface. lol

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

"Nice argument, however I draw myself as the Chad"

[@mrterp04]

@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 I get the feeling in his mind he’s like “the Virgin John K and the Chad Butch”

[@ajduran91ad]

Watching his cartoons will ruin your life with zero logic nonsense.

[@JCBro-yg8vd]

"I defy you, Heartman!" Patrick Star. You know, with people now wondering if "Dirty Dan" was a foreshadowing of Dan Schenider, one has to wonder whether that "Heartman" joke was onto something too?

[@samborgensjr6456]

Holy shit. This goes deep.

[@BroomPusher2024]

I wouldnt be surprised

[@Lawnmower737]

Someone in another comment had a ‘tinfoil conspiracy theory’ that when Timmy’s dad shouts “Dinkleburg!”, that Dinkeburg is secretly Hillenburg. With Hillenburg having the more popular show/Dinkleburg having the better yard, house, etc.

[@dusankomatina]

​@@Lawnmower737damn, honestly you might be on to something

[@EclecticAesthetic]

Oh. My. God. *(No Hartman)*

[@Thankfully_Over]

"You are making everyone else feel uncomfortable" bro that is the worst thing to say to an introvert.

[@HalE14]

I’m not introverted but SOOOO many of my loved ones are. They never make me uncomfortable! They just don’t express their feelings exactly the same as I do! People can be different from one another. It’s okay! But telling introverts there’s something “wrong” with them is just as hurtful as telling extroverts that the fact they like to talk and go to social functions more is “too much” and makes them insufferable. I truly believe there’s supposed to be HARMONY, not DIVIDE here

[@Rogerbuzmen]

That is the worst thing to Say to anyone

[@mavortius8768]

How would being an introvert make anyone uncomfortable. I can maybe see it a little if you were stuck in a one-on-one situation with one for a really long time, but does that ever happen? Even if it did, I assume that the non-introvert would eventually get used to the idea that that is just how the other person is.

[@Window4503]

@@mavortius8768Some people can’t handle silence or being with someone who isn’t constantly volunteering information. I’m an introvert and even though I’ve tried to be friendly and somewhat proactive in conversations, it hasn’t prevented some people from still having an issue that I don’t talk as much as they do, as if I have something to hide or am “too good” to talk to them. If anything, it just reveals who they are. I wish they’d get used to it, but sometimes what happens is that they’ll just create a negative opinion of you to fill the void rather than give the benefit of the doubt.

[@BelBelle468]

The hilarity being that Hartman surely makes ppl uncomfortable by the way he speaks as well

[@TheCouncil-zg4vp]

Tara's uncomfortable laugh as Butch blames her for her friend's unaliving on live media is just horrifying.

[@Lampent12]

My jaw hit the floor. I couldn't believe an actual human being could say something like that so nonchalantly.

[@TeruteruBozusama]

If s is a sin, isn't joking about it and accusing others for causing it even worse?

[@tylerfish2701]

Say what you want about Tara Strong, but even she didn't deserve that.

[@ryanlozano9086]

@@tylerfish2701yeah even if Tara has some racial religious issues (anti Muslim or anti Islam) she’s still a great person

[@tylerfish2701]

@@ryanlozano9086 I'll take your word for it.

[@arejaybee]

"We never had Danny fight humans." In her introductory episode, we hear about how Desire died being forced into a relationship with a husband. That drove her to grant everyones wishes in her death.

[@Nameless-ln5mr]

There’s also Sydney Poindexter. A ghost who used to be a student at Amity High. He had a flashback sequence and everything! EDIT: To go with your structure, in life, Sydney was a nerd who was picked on by bullies. This resulted in him becoming a wraith who uses his former locker as a medium to lash out against bullies.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

_"We never have Danny fight humans."_ **Danny yeets Dash into the locker in the intro**

[@clarasilberman4731]

Did Butch fucking forget about Vlad????? I know he's half-ghost too but the mans still half-human 😬

[@Fangzaprika]

This one is actually a misunderstanding caused by Butch's word choice. By human, he's referring to actual real-world people, but instead of just saying that, he said what he said...the context clue is in the list he gives immediately after saying it.

[@jessicadavis5423]

Didn't Tucker specifically say that Desiree died from a broken heart and old age? 🤔

[@SniperkingSogeking04]

The main thing about the "Wise like the serpent, harmless as a dove" that bugs me is that that line was to tell the disciples how to preach the gospel around people that were *active threats to their lives*. The way Butch quotes it, implies that he sees everyone that he isn't buddy-buddy with as a threat to him. And that is legitimately terrifying.

[@Natalie_Toshino]

He's like a chipmunk, in the forest, whose pupils dilate at every bird chirp.

[@MABfan11]

sounds like he's a narcissist

[@SniperkingSogeking04]

@@MABfan11 He really is one that tries using religion as a weapon and excuse for how he acts :(

[@eleviathan4621]

Ego. Its all ego. As a christian man, doesn't he know one of the deadliest sins is Pride?

[@icetweiz]

even for all the supposed good things they did with their charity, is it really coming from the goodness of their heart? or is it self-righteousness coming from pride and from the words of arlecchino from genshin impact those who boast about their virtues, are the most evil

[@Oppen1945]

​@@icetweizBro you didn't just unironically quote Genshin Impact💀

[@ItsRyanHello]

@@Oppen1945 the new generation is so fucked lmao

[@kidsonblackops]

The 7 deadly sins isn’t a biblical reference. Every sin is deadly.

[@pinstripecool34]

Yea, you can tell just by the way he talks. So much arrogance almost patronizing.

[@lizabee7791]

“Backstory for Ember released by Butch reveals that she was unpopular in high school when she was alive and dreamed of becoming a rock star. When a boy asked her out to the movies, she accepted, but the boy stood her up as she waited for him all night. Once morning came, she returned home and fell asleep from exhaustion. However, her house mysteriously caught on fire, and despite efforts by firefighters to put the blaze out, Ember burned to death or died from smoke inhalation as her home burned to the ground. Upon becoming a ghost, she gained both her rock star dream she had when she was still mortal, and pyrokinetic powers due to the fire that claimed her life” directly copied from the Danny Phantom Character Wikipedia page. It literally mention her dying or having been alive or a mortal human prior to becoming a ghost FOUR TIMES. No where does it say she’s a “human like monster from another dimension”

[@albislopez]

Desiree's backstory is in the show. She was a human woman before she became a ghost genie...

[@lonesavior]

Noooo, you don't understand. Sometimes the monsters take on the memories and personalities of people who died. Totally different from ghosts....somehow.

[@lizabee7791]

@@albislopez I know, the reason why I was on the DP wiki was because I was originally looking up Desiree’s because I remembered her episode and them going into her back story as a human (The line “she died from a broken heart…and old age” has been stuck in my head for about 20 years). But then I saw Ember’s section and thought it was funny because it pretty much proves Butch was BSing when he said the ghost weren’t humans but monsters that looked like humans

[@lizabee7791]

@@lonesavior somehow Butch’s explanation makes less sense then the show about it a 14 year old with ghost super powers

[@albislopez]

@@lonesavior Those are demons, not establish in the Danny Phantom universe. When the creator doesn't have the rules of their world well stablish, the audience can easily see the fails in the narrative. In more than one episode the ghosts are portrait as people. Case and point: 1. The lady of the school cafeteria 2. Sidney Pointdexter (an old student from Casper high) 3. Pandora, mortal woman from the greek mythology, but a human non the less...

[@Trunks1stApprentice]

"Butch claimed God told him to make Oaxis" Mama always said that if someone tells you God spoke to them, fucking RUN.

[@LoveMyUnusual]

For a guy who boasts credit about his art, he sure as shit won't take credit for lying and stealing from people. Ridiculous. I'm glad for all the honest creators from all faiths. ❤

[@Выктотакие]

Мдауж, как у нас говорится:если ты разговариваешь с богом, то это называется молитва. А если бог с тобой разговаривает, то это шизофрения

[@MHurley21]

For real. You'd think that with all the warnings about liars and charlatans in scripture, Christians of all people would be more skeptical of a voice that whispers to them in moments of solitude.

[@JohnSmith-xv1tp]

@@MHurley21 I know right? Their bible is full of such warnings, such as Mathew 7, which Jesus plainly says "A lot of you might think you're 'The real Christians', but only a few are actually gonna get into heaven." But all these people in hundreds of different denominations think they're the one denomination that got it right and all the others are wrong. The lack of humility and self awareness is astounding. Mathew 7:13-23 13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. 15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.... 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

[@fynnthefox9078]

Lol trying to use God as a scapegoat.

[@looteverybody]

It's wild that he calls introverts "selfish". In that same token, extroverts are just, if not MORE, selfish, trying to force everyone else to interact with THEM all the time.

[@Pepesmall]

Lol you're interpreting it as the meaning of the word selfish, and not the word self-ish.

[@spectre9340]

Finding out about Stephen Silver was what really ticked me off about this whole ordeal. Butch was profiting off of and making a name for himself by using Stephen's work. Meanwhile, most of us have never even heard of him before.

[@bigbearkat2010]

Even better telling everybody he "created our childhood"

[@DoxajustReacts]

@@bigbearkat2010 it was his idea just silvers design dk what you on about

[@bigbearkat2010]

@@DoxajustReacts that he massively overestimates the impact he had on my childhood, not that complicated.

[@DoxajustReacts]

@@bigbearkat2010 sounds like a you problem I'm talking about general public lol

[@bigbearkat2010]

@@DoxajustReacts based on the legacy of the show now, I don't think I'm alone

[@JainEhren]

Kuro: "Hey Butch, can you pay me?" Butch: "I'M GOING GHOST!"

[@MegaToonzNetwork]

Kuro: Well...I'm going hero! *transforms into Rath*

[@ToonGrin]

Literally one of our cut jokes lol.

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

Kuro: Well, that means... Its lawsuit time! *Slames the call button on his phone and calls his lawyer*

[@degariuslozak2169]

@@pkmntrainerred4247 Hi, I'm Saul Goodman. Did you know that you have rights?

[@enegizedadam]

​@@degariuslozak2169 The constitution says you do

[@flurpadurpadoo]

It’s wild to me that he is so insensitive about depression especially because there’s literally a danny phantom episode about the kids getting depressed because of a villain and Danny has to process it and overcome it, which was always really cathartic for me as I have depression

[@admiralofcuteness]

Wish we knew which writer to thank for it instead of Butch...

[@gavrilosinaga]

@@admiralofcuteness You mean "My Brother's Keeper"? FYI, it's written by Sib Ventress from a story by Steve Marmel...

[@flurpadurpadoo]

@@gavrilosinaga yup that one

[@michelleb4852]

@@admiralofcuteness Me and my sister have a thing with butch hartman, he may have given 'life' to these characters, but he certainly didn't raise them, he just left them in the hands of other people who gave them personality, that's why any episode that he usually had a hand in was subpar at most and terrible at 'best'...

[@kylesantiago351]

@@michelleb4852 So what you’re saying is he may have been the cartoons’ father but he wasn’t their daddy?

[@pasarasaki9007]

"Hartman's original material was rewritten and re-recorded without his consent by Harvy Weinstein." Easily the least horrifying thing I've heard followed by the words 'without his content by Harvey Weintsein'...

[@saaaaadia]

I tell this story all the time but here we go: I met Butch Hartman while I was a barista at Starbucks. I was working the register during a busy peak on a Saturday when this woman came in and ordered a decaf London fog. The hot teas come in bags and we do not and never have carried decaf Earl Grey tea, the main ingredient in a London fog. After explaining this, she rolled her eyes at me said “I’ve always ordered this! You clearly have no idea how to do your job”. She proceed to just order it regular. That’s when her partner come in, Butch Hartman. I was bamboozled but wasn’t entirely sure it was him so I stayed silent. The first thing she says to him is “She doesn’t know how to make a decaf London Fog” and he goes “is that the spiced drink or the Peach one?”. I was thrown for a loop because that confused me more. Peach. She wanted the Peach herbal tea (which was non caffeinated, not decaf) to replace the main ingredient in a London fog which is the Earl Grey. I finished their order and Butch asked for a Berry Trio parfait. After I scan his account, that’s when I realized it was in fact Butch Hartman standing before me. I quickly finished up without acknowledging him in any way because they both were kind of snide and giving off awful energy. The last thing I wanted to do was fangirl about Danny Phantom after I pissed his partner off. They get their drinks and go to sit down before Butch comes back to the counter and goes “I’m gonna need a spoon with this unless you want me to eat it with my hands”. Yeah I don’t miss working at Starbucks.

[@MM-bn5yc]

bc “excuse me, could i have a spoon please?” is so hard 😒 what a dick.

[@KingRandor82]

"Never meet your heroes" summed up perfectly

[@moonadawnwellforrealll]

@@KingRandor82truly

[@brandikins11]

It's so disappointing that they're like that. Sadly they are not the first or the last people who claim how wonderful they are for being Christian yet are complete snakes in the grass. If I was as well-known as him I'd be the nicest guy to everyone, and my fans. Sad how most just let it go to their head.

[@jenniferb.awesome]

Isn't decaf and non caffeinated the same thing?

[@MushroomOfMeh]

As a christain myself and also dealing with anxiety, i cant believe that depression is considered "fictional" to Hartman. Smh, man.

[@Thundernugget]

Him saying that suicide "didn't exist when he was younger" just shows he was privileged or sheltered when growing up

[@jessbellis9510]

@@Thundernugget Right? He also has no idea about history in any other country whatsoever, or he'd be aware that seppuku (ritual suicide for causing dishonour) existed in Japan for literal CENTURIES. Then again what can you expect from a happy clapper church that purposely shields themselves from anything that is outside their small circle.

[@Breakerchannel1]

​@@Thundernugget the least of his problems I guess

[@yoursonisold8743]

Religious people with power need to virtue signal to stay in power. If they have an inherent bias or dislike they have to spin it in a way that their religion is the cure for it or that it is harmful and should be ignored by people of their religion. Unfortunately religion always lends itself to abuse of authority and regression.

[@joshdean5671]

Stay strong and stay safe, brother

[@CarysCreatesThings]

My dad met Butch Hartman about 15 years ago in Uganda of all places. Apparently he was involved in some kind of missionary work there which I thought was odd (no pun intended), but it makes so much sense now. My dad had no idea who he was, but of course Butch not-so-subtly brought up his career at the earliest opportunity. He drew pictures of characters from Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom for my niece and nephew (who were toddlers at the time so had no idea who they were, but I guess they were cool gifts for when they grew older) and signed them. He also told my dad he was going to name a character after him (I won’t mention my dad’s name for the sake of his privacy, but it’s a very distinctive and quite rare name), but as far as I know he never did. Butch sounds like the kind of person who is incredibly charming and charismatic when you first meet them, but he’s really an arrogant jerk. Edit: I just got to the part of the video where you talk about Hartman House. I guess that explains what he was doing in Uganda!

[@lifeisadrag7705]

That's so bizarre honestly...

[@CarysCreatesThings]

@@lifeisadrag7705I know, right?! I didn’t even find out until my mum casually mentioned it in conversation a few years later because she was wondering whether he actually did end up naming a character after my dad. I thought “how random that Butch Hartman was doing missionary work in Uganda!” 😂 But now we know.

[@Attmay]

The missionaries are the ones pushing for the anti-gay laws there.

[@brandikins11]

@@CarysCreatesThings it really is fitting for his character. To give your dad fake flattery on something he obviously never intended on doing for the sake of coming across as a nice guy. (I mean no disrespect to your dad, but it's bizarre and unrealistic to meet someone and literally five minutes later say they're going to name a character after them in one of their shows.) Funny thing is, narcissists think they have everyone fooled, but the reality is, most see right through it from the start.

[@CarysCreatesThings]

@@brandikins11As I said, my dad has a pretty rare and distinctive name, and Butch asked if he could use it for a character. I don’t know how long they spoke for or how seriously my dad took him, but I don’t think it would have been totally naive or gullible of him to believe him. What is interesting is that a few years later I was watching Adventure Time and there was a one-off character with a very similar name to my dad’s. I immediately looked it up, and the episode was written by Mark Banker (who’d previously written for Danny Phantom), and Kent Osborne (who wrote an episode of The Fairly Odd Parents). It’s probably just a coincidence though.

[@pbpeanut1144]

1:10:55 "Obviously not actual dead ppl because im a christian i wouldnt do that" Scott Cawthon (a christian): here's a game about animatronics being haunted by ghost kids this is the exact thought i had when Butch said that lmao

[@ashegrey3042]

scott cawthorn is a christian???

[@loodgack]

Both became quite money hungry. Sadly.

[@mrcritical6751]

Isn’t Scott Roman Catholic?

[@johnjohnson-wg7jv]

I'm more reminded of the guy who was Mormon and helped make the original Doom.

[@maas1208]

​​​ At least Scott does try his best tho

[@Rev_Boneman]

"This isn't me asking for your money, this is me asking for your prayers" Damn, I didn't know prayers came in green

[@calebkopp7636]

Legit! Funny how he felt the need to bring up funding THREE TIMES before saying that.

[@docbrown538]

"I didn't know prayers came in green" is a bar ngl 👀

[@madcap3450]

9 times out of 10 anybody asking for your prayers really means your money regardless of the religion involved

[@mochacino6198]

Maybe Peter Popoff was more successful than we all thought?

[@OokamiAri]

Damn! That phrase sounds like a tipical cult leader would say.

[@bookishnewt8468]

The whole “the ghosts were never deceased people” baffles me. Wasn’t there word from the show’s crew members that Ember’s backstory was; she died in a house fire cause she was exhausted after waiting all night for a date that stood her up. Not to mention Desiree’s living backstory is literally stated in the show. 😂

[@germyforev4495]

Word from writer, like six or seven explicitly dead people, cujo whom literally breaks into the now empty kennels to retreive his chew toy

[@trevinodude]

He’s basically lying his pants off both to the Christian and to the secular world. Because the Ghost were dead people back then… Ember literally died and had a backstory and everything. And now he says they weren’t to avoid being cancelled by Christians (as a Christian, I don’t even care about that since the show was fictional anyway… and it had nothing to do with Bible stories, so the ghost thing never bothered me) but then he also lies to the secular world with the whole Oaxis thing… can this man be truthful at all?

[@blachheart]

The original idea was it suppose to be about demons not ghost after the concepts change it was about dead people

[@chrisschoenthaler5184]

And the Dairy King haunting the castle he owned before he died and Vlad bought it! Edit: AND THE DOG!!!

[@Fact-fiend_1000ASMR.]

The entire ghost zone school that's trapped in the 50's is another potential contradiction to Hartman's statement.

[@mariaarzeno9251]

For Butch, seems like the Ten Commandments are actually Eight, because he chose to ignore "Thou shall not lie" and "Love thy neighbor".

[@jessbellis9510]

Evangelicals seem to have the idea that "all is fair in love and war" when it comes to their imaginary war on faith and the world. So _normally_ lying would be bad, unless you're doing it to spread god's message. It's the classic justifying that allows them to be gross hypocrites.

[@SamWickens]

Love thy neighbour isn't one of the 10 commandments, but he sure as hell covets his neighbours' more successful cartoons.

[@RayPointerChannel]

Actually the lying Commandment is "Thou shalt not give false witness." It also applies to what is used as a psychological game to twist things called "Gaslighting." Same thing, though. A lot of people on the internet do not follow this Commandment.

[@alexpalaciossantos4940]

dont 90% of christians?

[@DeadKraken]

@@SamWickens "Thous shall not covet thy neighbours' Spongebob"

[@NotEcons]

Butch Hartman blocked me on Tick Tock because I kept calling him out about his oaxis scam. he has no intention of ever following through with that project, and the people who donated to it got their money stolen from them. not only is he a piss poor artist, he's also a scam artist. I wish nothing but the worst for Butch Hartman

[@wingedfeline5379]

you should consider that an accomplishment

[@FoxBlocksHere]

The fact that his self-insert's name is Rip Studwell is bad enough, but did he also have to make him a doctor, bodybuilder, and chick magnet? Oh, wait. I think I answered my own question.

[@icecreamhero2375]

Dr. Ripstudwell was also incompetent.

[@abaddon1503]

@@icecreamhero2375 What Butch thinks he is: Rip Studwell (FOP) What Butch actually is on a good day: Dr Hartman (Family Guy)

[@icecreamhero2375]

@@abaddon1503 But in Failry Odd Parents Dr. RipStudwell is shown to be incompetent at his job and a quack doctor but not to the extent of Doctor Hartman.

[@Rocketcow-dx1jd]

​@@abaddon1503Dr Hartman seems like an awesome guy whos just bad at his job.

[@furnugo]

I think Rip Studwell was just the other writers making fun of him..

[@starninja_artYT]

So glad you mentioned Stephen Silver in this video. The character designer who developed the FOP/ DF art style needs to be discussed more often.

[@starninja_artYT]

Update: He has a discord server on his website, and schedules appointments for professional advice on his page. Would recommend if you are looking for character design advice.

[@Tommyknocker.]

Stephen Silver worked only on Danny Phantom character designs and some of FOP Specials. There's the other guy, but I forgot his name, he's got a website and some of his concept arts for early seasons.

[@Brewart2012]

@@Tommyknocker.Ernie Gilbert?

[@Tommyknocker.]

@@Brewart2012 Yeah that's him

[@chayden153]

Butch Hartman blaming Tara Strong for Mary Kay Bergman committing suicide pisses me off to no end. how dare you blame Tara for what happened to her friend that in itself is fucking ghoulish

[@randallbesch2424]

I find it a touch of evil there.

[@77Flower77]

The man is straight up a demon in disguise

[@Pepesmall]

He said it like he didn't even know what he was talking about, like he was congratulating her for taking part in a wedding or something, or accusing her of murder.

[@karenfan010]

I’m very glad that stephen hillenburg wasn’t those type of creators. may he rest in peace.

[@RetRequiem]

He died a hero. Although Spongebob still continues.

[@jaceybella1267]

I know it seems disconnected, but losing Hillenburg reminded me of losing Steve Irwin back in the day. A good man and a passionate man sharing his work with the world taken from us too soon. I never knew either of them but damn if they weren't parts of my life

[@nicodemusedwards6931]

The man just liked fish a lot and wanted to show everyone. And I respect that.

[@anthonytonythegeek5561]

@@jaceybella1267it’s a similar in the sense that both were good men, I can see where you’re going with that.

[@taejasper1343]

​@@RetRequiemYeah, and it's continuing his legacy, too! They're doing it to honor him and what he created for the world! Godspeed to him! And Steve is a hero, too! May he rest in peace!

[@pizzanopastano9159]

As someone who only really started trying to become an artist half a decade ago, I can’t even imagine myself lying to people saying that I designed these specific characters by myself when I had other people actually helping me design them! Like, taking credit for something someone else did just seems like one of the most asshole-ish things to do to someone!

[@lissettgonzalez2707]

Remember in a brocast video he almost made Tara strong cry with his,'" joke'" cause of the voice actress voiced Timmy in what's a cartoon thing. Saying,'' this is your fault.'' I feel bad for Tara.

[@pizzanopastano9159]

@@lissettgonzalez2707 God, that is legit horrible, dude!

[@justjoannak]

​@@lissettgonzalez2707 As much as I don't like Tara now (she's done some problematic things), that is terrible

[@pizzanopastano9159]

@@justjoannak Agreed!

[@WobblesandBean]

​@@justjoannak Yeah, Tara is a bad person. It's surprising that so many people don't know that.

[@JayRedGear]

Danny Phantom also had Desiree. Her debut episode literally shows her backstory of her once being human.

[@joeldean2706]

Danny Phantom was and still is very good. Would like a sequel series like X Men 97. But without Butch Hartman involved.

[@germyforev4495]

Cujo breaks into the now empty kennels to get his toy back

[@JayRedGear]

@@germyforev4495 And while not a villain, there was the Diary King in Vlad's first episode.

[@MangoMagica]

And Poindexter has his own backstory too

[@brettwood1351]

@@joeldean2706 Just as long as they don't retcon his parents knowing he's Phantom. Again.

[@trevinodude]

As a Christian… I just feel the need to point out that the seven mountains thing isn’t even biblical. The idea that humans can facilitate the return of Christ is contradictory to what it actually says in the Bible about the return of Christ. The idea that human’s have any authority over the return of Christ is contradictory over what the Bible says. It’s false doctrine fueled by pride and hubris. Even the Bible says that Pride comes before Destruction and it also says not to lie, so the fact that Butch Hartman lied about the mission of Oaxis and used a loophole to not pay Kuro breaks my heart, since he’s not even acting the way Christian faith says we should be (a problem with lots of modern Christians, truth be told). It’s just painful to see how Butch conducted himself through everything after his Nick days.

[@Ujulahipobaka121]

Whatever you just said, i wholeheartedly agreee

[@randallbesch2424]

That is part of the theology of Dominionism to dominate the Earth and all that exists on it. That they must cleanse the Earth leaving only believers then their Godhead will return to fill the empty throne. Conversion is the key, enslavement you are converted, killed by them you are converted and they can "convert the long dead" too regardless of their religion. I see genocide and mass slavery in their future for the world. First America then to spread out from there.

[@spongecakes1986]

Completely agree, apart from the "modern Christians" part. Christians have been acting against the bible for as long as it's been written.

[@triantafelidesfox8344]

Glad to see someone else thought to type this out!! I was thinking the exact same thing.

[@Mongcal-0bD]

This is exactly what I wanted to hear I'm sad

[@TheHuskyK9]

1:01:25 The most beautiful irony of Butch getting commissioned to draw ANGEL DUST of all characters 😭😭

[@kimifw58]

Probably didn't know who he was. Just Googled him and drew the first image that came up.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Bro. That's straight up f*cked up in the head.

[@Gremlin_Boi_]

thats fucking hilarious XD

[@pumpkin2986]

he'd be shaking his pearls at the screen if he knew lmao.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

The irony hits harder than Angel Dust calling Sir Pentious, "daddy".

[@raelogan]

I was about to rage out in the comments about Butch's claim of Danny Phantom being a pioneer in serialized cartoons, as if literally the DCAU wasn't already solidified at least a decade before that

[@abneramaya1736]

And not to mention Gargoyles from Disney TVA.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@abneramaya1736 You can thank Greg Wesiman for that, he also worked on Young Justice, W.I.T.C.H, and Spiderman.

[@TobyStan]

And the audacity to use Avatar: The last airbender as an example is probably the craziest routine of mental gymnastics you could make.

[@brettwood1351]

@@abneramaya1736 Or even the X-Men. And to say nothing of how long Anime had been doing it.

[@vanillaa_spice460]

Yet he has backtracked on the ghosts of Danny phantom being real people in their human pasts. 😭

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Butch Hartman went on to become the IRL Harvey Dent of the Nickelodeon arc. Considering _Fairly Oddparent's_ tragic demise, the show lives long enough to see itself becoming a villain instead of dying as hero.

[@liammcnicholas918]

That quote will never stop being relevant

[@Mostlysomething]

He became like Harvey Dent, but without the burn on half his face and the two-headed coin. So, he's just less cool and just evil, basically.

[@ajduran91ad]

Butch Hartman is major cancer that needs to be excused from reality with no trace of his corruption.

[@stoiccrane4259]

@@liammcnicholas918 The Dark Knight and it's philosophy is the most iconic in the superhero genre for a reason. It touched on the present nihilistic undertone Western societies have adopted in the absence of traditional values and belief in God (in the greater good). That's why so many mass/school shooters have resonated with Heath Ledger's Joker. Christopher Nolan may have taken inspiration from Nietzsche's "Thus Spake Zarathustra".

[@a84jdu3uc7d]

i forgot who harvey dent was for a second until i read the replies and remembered who he was lol

[@Randomaccount9470]

Hillenburg =Dinkleburg Timmy's dad features, jaw line haircolor = Butch Hartman Fruadian slip in the greatest way possible 😂

[@Boonchuyz]

I’ve heard that Mr. Turner is actually modeled after his voice actor not butch Hartman for once, at least.

[@joeyravioli]

The Chad Hillenburg vs the Virgin Hartman

[@Samtehsonicandfnaffan-du4nk420]

@@joeyravioli Chadlex Hirsch vs Bitch ShartVirgin

[@DanGamingFan2406]

It's a shame that someone who created such great shows turned out to be such a toxic egomaniac. He's the prime example of what can happen when you let success go to your head.

[@watershipup7101]

You got that right.

[@waterbullstudios9195]

Nickelodeon seems to have problem hiring people like that.

[@garnetbird7557]

How the mighty have fallen.

[@thusnameddigital9397]

He sure is.

[@bigjalapeno7061]

Yep pretty much. It's sad

[@XxLeafGreenxX]

the fact the hartmans want to be PERSONALLY CREDITED into getting in to heaven??? do they think they're God????

[@CyranofromBergerac]

Yes

[@surrealbrain4227]

He might be able to plant the seed, but he's not gonna be credited for it, that's for sure.

[@ayajade6683]

He's an evangelical this is just what they do.

[@smashyboi6887]

@@surrealbrain4227 Here is the verse you are referring to :) “I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor.” - 1 Corinthians 3:6-8

[@randallbesch2424]

Their God's helper.

[@jacksvendsgaard2270]

I greatly appreciate you including the portion about Kuro. As someone who has been a big fan of his for a few years now, it was heartbreaking to hear about what Butch did. You absolutely nailed how much of an egomaniac Butch is.

[@ghoulchan7525]

yeah i saw Kuro's original video which i think he has Delisted or deleted since then.

[@Quader417]

💀”suicide didn’t exist back in the day” guess that confirms he didn’t read romeo and juliet in highschool

[@loodgack]

Bro didn’t even read the bible

[@Pepesmall]

Romeo and Juliet was a story not a documentary

[@Pepesmall]

I'm not arguing that suicide didn't exist but your example is a fictional story instead of referencing a real event so it doesn't really prove the point

[@stupidheadwisp]

@@Pepesmalla story based on real controversial things at the time

[@Quader417]

@@Pepesmall they wouldn’t be talking about it if it wasn’t a thing that existed 🤦🏽‍♂️ most of Shakespeare’s stories are grounded in reality and we’re talking about death, not magic. Everyone knows suicide is real and has existed as long as humans have existed, it’s a joke I’m not actually debating him

[@icarusthefinal3206]

"Why would you accept fear? Don't you wanna be an original?" ... what? What the fuck does that even mean??

[@power_startastic]

probably, like, "people are always afraid to be themselves, they all fit into the mold, so nobody stands out"

[@MaxOakland]

@@power_startastic Then he goes and joins a christian cult. So ironic

[@errorbirdesther]

These quotes are good I wanna use them

[@bigjalapeno7061]

Yea sounds weird

[@ThatOtherAndrew]

The reality of courage is that it is not the absence of fear, but the acceptance fear and then taking action in spite of it. Action taken in absence of fear is simply recklessness.

[@walpoleandworcester]

He really screwed up when he went all in on trying to be a KZbin influencer and showing off his ego to everyone.

[@gracekim1998]

Pretty much

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Pride is considered the greatest sin in Christianity for a reason. Not even an ardent believer as he once was is safe from falling into it.

[@noctotainlowry9246]

Typicial religious person, they NEED to show everyone how they are so much better then eveyone else

[@ajduran91ad]

He’s a true deadbeat animator and if he disappears for good it will be a bright new era.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

@@noctotainlowry9246 he fell for pride. Ironic considering his beliefs.

[@KirbyLinkFan]

I was part of a Danny Phantom discord server during the whole Oaxis debacle, and my god what a time. We were all memeing on him, and just disappointed that the one who created the cartoon we loved so much was such a disappointment of a human.

[@FengTheSlayer]

It was moreso Steven Silver and others such as it’s writers on board to helped made what Danny Phantom came to be, it just so happens that Butch was also apart of the production

[@marocat4749]

​@@FengTheSlayerso with whedon shows,

[@MangoMagica]

And Steve Marmel was more the guy who carried the writing

[@jaceybella1267]

​@@MangoMagicayup, Marmel and the rest of the team. That's why season 3 was mostly hot garbage, there was a falling out between Marmel and Butch (that's still unclear what the cause was) and Marmel and some of the other major writers left. Thus butch himself was left to butcher the final season

[@germyforev4495]

@@jaceybella1267 the fact fucking demons were in the original pitch bible is so hilrous with how hard butch tried to make believe ghost weren't dead people. (Despite an entire episode about a ghost of a dog going back for his squeaky toy in the human realm.... As a kid I never realized how dark that whole sub plot about Valirie's dad upgrading the security system/the empty kennels where cujos toy was)

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Butch: "What's an 'Stephen Hillenburg'?" "It's one of the creators of our childhoods." Butch: "But I'm right here?" "Do you really believe your own hype that much?" Butch: "I AM THE HYPE!"

[@spongecakes1986]

I didn't even watch a lick of Nickelodeon as a kid. I was 100% a Disney Channel kid. I found a channel I liked and I stuck with it. If Butch ever tried to call himself the creator of my childhood, I'd laugh in his face

[@哲二川上]

“Frankly i don’t see much”

[@Strobeliite]

"Danny Phantom paved the way for serialized cartoons on televisions" what a WILD thing to say

[@ChronoBaw]

While I don't agree with the 'it was my original idea'. Sense of the statement I can say it may sorta true from an approval from management point of view, getting shit approved can be hard and setting a precedent for something helps future cases Also, Danny Phantom happened before ATLA so I'm not sure why some people compare it

[@Solanin0803]

​@@ChronoBawA *ton* of shows also happened before DF Just look at Batman and all those superhero shows from the 90s that were not episodic.

[@ChronoBaw]

@@Solanin0803 the question is, was any of them on Nickelodeon? I know Danny wasn't the first show to have an overarching plot, probably not in Nickelodeon and definitely not on tv (I mean, X-Men was 92 and hannah Barbera had one in the... 70s?) But I think butch is correct by accident, saying it paved the way for other shows, not for the reasons he believes, but because it set a precedent for them to approve future shit

[@Strobeliite]

@@ChronoBaw no, butch didnt say nickelodeon, he said television, he meant serial television in general

[@radfatdaddy4169]

​@@Strobeliite Wasn't The Wild Thornberry's serialized to some degree?

[@cmbaz1140]

Nickelodeon has an impressive track record of ruining lives...

[@shadowednight1600]

Between this, John K, the "Quiet on the set" film...they are boned. No amount of SpongeBob can fix it

[@bigjalapeno7061]

That can be an ad

[@lengeyart]

Somehow it got worse than Disney

[@antyep]

@@lengeyartthat’s arguable but yeah

[@MegaToonzNetwork]

​@@antyep fought Nickelodeon Kaiju! antyep teamed up with King Kong to defeat Nickelodeon!

[@HomersIlliad]

How it started: We want to be the next Spongebob. How it's going: We want to be the next Veggie Tales.

[@marnenotmarnie259]

he wishes smh

[@theninjamaster67]

I know this is a joke but that's still a pretty hefty goal, apparently Veggie Tales made 30 million bucks just on the first Veggie Tales video released. (Not even kidding look up how much Veggie Tales made it's kinda insane.) Veggie Tales is weirdly successful not Spongebob successful but like really successful in it's own right so Butch probably wont even make it to Veggie Tales levels of success cause it made millions.

[@PhirePhlame]

​@@theninjamaster67 Yeah, Veggie Tales is the Spongebob of Christian kids media, and for good reason! It was, for many people, their first exposure to the existence of Christian cartoons that didn't want to make anyone older than the target demographic want to bash their skulls against the nearest wall.

[@trevinodude]

@@theninjamaster67Veggie Tales also largely worked because it was at least honest in what it set out to do… Butch lied about Oaxis, and I doubt anyone will ever trust Butch as fully as they used to.

[@theninjamaster67]

@@trevinodude Exactly what I'm saying even if he's honest with what he's doing now he has to earn trust again which isn't gonna be easy at all and in general Veggie Tales got kind of a boost cause it was one of the first fully CGI animated things to exist in general right next to Toy Story, Reboot, and Transformers Beast Wars.

[@midi5467]

The weirdest thing about his "Danny Phantom ghosts aren't ghosts" rant is... ghosts aren't an anti-Christian idea.

[@ruthie8785]

I thought Christians were at the very least okay with the idea of dead person returning to Earth.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

You would question his idea of Christianism because ghosts are present everywhere there and souls are ghosts by definition.

[@dullsunrise8820]

Really sucks that nearly every creator of a successful Nickelodeon property is doomed to turn out to be awful :(

[@misterOrca4]

Yeah Nick is a Curse.

[@MangoMagica]

Not always. There’s always Stephen Hillenberg and Rob Renzetti

[@firemiracle]

@@MangoMagicafor me I admire Jorge R Gutierrez who created el Tigre, my most favorite Nickelodeon series. He really seems so kind and humble and does look like he has a good relationship with his family. I really hope that’s the case, Because it would really hurt me if he turns out the same like the other awful creators 😣

[@maricampari3970]

At least Jhonen Vasquez made it out unscathed. Also the creators of Doug and Hey Arnold are genuinely nice people.

[@kirbykirbykirby.]

​​@@MangoMagica *Also don't forget Steven Hillenburg who created the longest living Nicktoon, SpongeBob SquarePants!* 🧽 *He was also a good guy and... FUN FACT... was a marine biologist!*

[@isaiahwilliams2642]

Butch Hartman feels like the animation equivalent of that dude who claimed he invented the Roblox "OOF" sound.

[@scythesword2573]

I bet his mom is very proud

[@marocat4749]

He really sounds like tolirino 😅

[@maricampari3970]

Tommy Tellerico lmfao you're right, Tommy is like the non-religious version of Butch

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

I guess he's like the animated tommy

[@veeva99]

ah right, that dude with the many world records

[@SuperZaiyan9]

Wait, someone named butch hartman created my childhood ? I didn’t know Akira Toriyama changed his name

[@WyattFrazee-f7z]

Yeah, I can't believe fairly oddparents and dragon ball had the same creator

[@hafizihilmibinabdulhalim1004]

Or Joseph Barbera

[@Draqer]

Or Astrid Lindgren!

[@McBehrer]

I also didn't know he created Xiaolin Showdown, the Jackie Chan Adventures, Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, and Power Rangers

[@bigjalapeno7061]

Lol

[@thechickapedia1175]

Yeah su*cide didn’t exist until Netflix. Romeo and Juliet came out in the 90s. Clearly it’s a modern problem -eyeroll-

[@ARCtheCartoonMaster]

It's when people say that w0k€ness didn't exist until the 2010s, even though _The Simpsons_ and _South Park_ were already making fun of it in the 90s and the 2000s. Then those shows get accused of "predicting" it. Not to mention, even Gilbert & Sullivan made fun of w0k€ politics before Walt Disney was even born. Just watch _Iolanthe_ and/or _Princess Ida_ sometime - you'll get what I'm talking about.

[@thechickapedia1175]

@@ARCtheCartoonMaster omg the amount of people calling Anne the musical live woke for making fun of politics as if the songs were brand new to it. The musical came out in 1977 and was talking about Hoover, clearly yall know exactly how bad your politicians are and can’t handle it

[@Pepesmall]

Romeo and Juliet didn't actually happen you know lol.. a better example would be kamikaze pilots who famously killed themselves in real life. Or Sylvia Platt.

[@thechickapedia1175]

@@Pepesmall ……

[@misterzygarde6431]

Grew up watching reruns of Fairly Oddparents, Danny Phantom, and Tuff Puppy on Nicktoons and honestly was disappointed at what happened with him.

[@p-__]

My farts are better than Saberspark’s farts 💨

[@caydenkamau8531]

@@p-__cringe

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

Now his ego is about as big as Ego the living planet from Marvel. It’s sad to see a creator go down hill like this.

[@Jackal_El_Lobo34]

“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain”

[@mister54336.]

​@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 and he chose the latter

[@angelofmusic1992]

This whole thing with Butch Hartman just makes me think of this quote from DBZ Abridged. "Do you really believe your own hype that much?" "I am the hype!"

[@LoveMyUnusual]

Lol or this gem from 30 Rock: Liz: I wasn't trying to steal your thunder, Jenna. Jenna: My whole life is thunder!

[@UlshaRS]

He's also got a dash of Kaiba SCREW THE RULES I HAVE MONEY

[@MrAjking808]

🤓

[@liammcnicholas918]

Butch is the Kanye of animation

[@devcrom3]

SENZU BEAN!

[@hfar_in_the_sky]

...Wow. He actually tried to turn a person taking their life into a witty "joke" in front of said person's friend and colleague? WOW!

[@Blizaros]

Butch: "We don't show ghosts that are deceased people by respect for the dead" Also Butch: "hey remember how your coward friend unalived herself what a weakling hope you don't feel too bad for your contribution lol"

[@Pepesmall]

He said it like a cop in an interrogation accusing her of doing it herself "you had something to do with that didn't you"

[@HouseJambo]

Speaking as a Christian, I was horrified to hear that they want to be credited as one of their main goals for people entering into heaven. That isn't only downright blasphemous but it also defeats the entire purpose of Christianity. Jesus is the only one who should get credit for people entering into heaven. They are down a path that is more inline with the devil.

[@TimmyTheTinman]

First of all if you’re still a Christian in the year 2024, then I don’t know what to tell you. I hope you escape the cult someday.

[@Pepesmall]

As a Christian I find your criticism of Jesus and Hartmann for taking credit for everyone getting into heaven entirely reasonable, unless you are being a massive hypocrite and saying it's only okay for Jesus to do it but not okay for people to want to be like Jesus 🤔

[@HouseJambo]

@@Pepesmall Huh?

[@MrZachtheKingsfan]

I don’t like Tara Strong, but jokingly implying that she is the reason for someone committing suicide is so fucked up.

[@blueflare3848]

Apparently it was a friend of hers as well, which makes it even worse.

[@sentientmustache8360]

⁠@@blueflare3848beyond that, she was pretty much her mentor

[@LeninistLink]

im sure her and butch agree on israel/palestine

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Is it the personality you don’t care for?

[@MirthMouser]

​@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat If I had to guess, it's recent her support of AI art.

[@milessolomon4864]

In Butch's defense, I would also refuse to admit I worked on Doogal.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Doogal might be one of the worst animated movies I've ever seen, and I've seen some real stinkers. My brain had actually deleted the memory of it until Saberspark had to bring it up again!

[@thebarberian246]

It's funny, because I looked up Doogal recently. I saw that it was originally in French, and bizarrely dubbed by English actors and American actors in two separate versions of the film. The British one was considered okay, but the American one bombed hardcore. I wondered why it was so bad, until I looked it up and found out Butch Hartman wrote the screenplay for the American version. Everything made sense after that.

[@Roadent1241]

Agreed, and I saw the original Brit version of TMR due to being Brit. (stayed over at a family member's house and they had it on DVD so they put it on XD) Can't remember crap about it except the credit song. Shame because dad loves the original show and Blue Cat film.

[@Montaq_]

The only reason I remember Doogal is because I had a friend that every time he left his laptop unattended my friends and I would change his wallpaper to an identical one except we would hide a tiny picture of Doogal somewhere in it. I don't remember how or why that joke started but we thought it was hilarious.

[@haileyshannon7548]

Take a film that was already dubbed into English with somewhat well-known British actors replace them with B-list American stars and horrible and dated pop culture references and fart jokes

[@MeganKoumori]

"Butch Hartman created your childhood." First of all, my childhood sucked, so I don't think Butch really wants to stake a claim there. Second, the creative mind that had the most impact and influence over my childhood was actually John Lasseter. And now I'm sad again. Thanks, Butch.

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

My childhood was (mostly) created by Man of Action, and I had never heard about Fairly Oddparents and Danny Phantom before I was 15-16, So I always find it funny whenever he acts like his "creator of childhood" title applies universally when I can bet it doesn't for many kids, especially ones around me.

[@animeotaku307]

I grew up with FOP and DP, but that was alongside a whole bunch of other stuff. So he can only be credited with creating a sliver of my childhood.

[@bumbabees]

he doesnt have claim over mine either. i watched stuff like fairly odd parents but thats because cable doesnt give you a choice and thats all that was on nick sometimes. the shows i loved were things like sponge bob, and the powerpuff girls. im fairly certain those shows shaped me as a person. i can remember multiple plot lines from them both even though i havent seen either of them in literal years because i saw them so many times, and yet i cant remember a single one from the fairly odd parents because i watched them once and got bored. im sure his shows mean a lot to some people, more than they ever did to me, but hes got balls to claim he created EVERYONES childhoods when there were far more influential shows out there 💀

[@mavortius8768]

Since I was about a year away from graduating from high school when FOP came out, I doubt he had much to do with my childhood. The shows I can remember the most from when I was really young would have to be Ninja Turtles, Garfield and Friends, and Mr Rodgers' Neighborhood.

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

At least John has a job over at Skydance Animation. He's still making movies. What is Butch doing?

[@andycanoy863]

I guess Patrick saying, " I defy you Heart Man" was a foreshadowing of things to come

[@katherineatkins8023]

God did not tell Butch to make Cosmo mpreg. 😂

[@OnlyTAS]

God is kinda freak ngl

[@HitTheFloor16]

@@OnlyTASyou did not just say that

[@Attmay]

Nickelodeon’s homophobic TQP agenda.

[@softsounds8453]

@ichaseiyoutube Mpreg is sometimes used as a fetish or shock value. It being in kids cartoons is a cause for concern, especially when it's blatantly for poking fun at men being pregnant or just being weirdly fetish-y. Makes it a lot harder for the actual men that get pregnant in the world.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

@ichaseiyoutubereminds me of all the feet shit in Dan harmons shows

[@s0s2]

Glad you mentioned Stephen Silver. He is a wonderful character designer and deserves the credit!

[@skyeceleste8395]

I used to really look up to him until I learned about how he felt about mental illness. My parents used to pray away my mental health issues for years, and made me feel like it wasn't working because I didn't believe hard enough. It was my fault for over a decade, despite the nights I stayed up crying and praying for hours for god to fix me. When I turned 21, I was finally able to see a psychiatrist and get diagnosed with severe anxiety (mainly social), and schizoaffective disorder, which includes depression in it (frick you Butch). Well, I'm 26 now, on a ton of medication, and doing better than ever! I'm really glad you made this video for people who might not have known about all his bull crap. It was so well put together!

[@msdouglas12100]

I'm glad you're doing better.

[@skyeceleste8395]

@@msdouglas12100 Thank you so much! 💙

[@starboy35tcoos]

Hope your life continues to improve, and you continue to stay healthy.

[@skyeceleste8395]

@@starboy35tcoos That means the world to me! Thank you dearly and I hope the absolute best for you as well!

[@supercyc10]

I love that John F Fountain (director behind many of the FOP memorable episodes) has been very vocal on Twitter on Butch’s BS. Like how John would solo direct a whole episode by himself, then Butch would change a single frame- then slap his “co-director” name on the credits

[@CameronMcCaffrey-e7p]

John is the man. Spoke to him a few times on Twitter and was very impressed with his kindness. It's great to see him calling out the BS for what it is.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

The people behind the OG Naughty Dog were also quick to debunk Burt when he claimed he designed Crash Bandicoot, stating all of his designs for Crash were rejected.

[@ftd888]

I watched Danny Phantom when I was younger … and I had no idea that the spirits were supposed to be inter-dimensional monsters. The word “ghost” is used HUNDREDS of times throughout the show. Plus, as you said, many of the spirits had human backstories. Then, there was Danny’s arch nemesis, who was definitely half-ghost. I suspect that Hartman’s explanation was retconned … probably as part of his scam.

[@Tigery760]

Definitely just him backtracking. Some of them mention their past lives or even how they died.

[@Aes_Saru]

Or he didnt actually work on the show.

[@ianmason96]

He could have retconned it more elegantly, said that "ghosts are extradimensional beings CREATED WHEN someone dies in a traumatic way" rather than the actual people

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

I assume the writer just straight up forgot like arraki

[@barkor4083]

Butch is the type of person who would argue that "Doom is a Christian game, because you _fight against_ those demons!"

[@garrtoons4303]

Take a shot whenever our childhood creators turn out to be terrible people.

[@Lionstar16]

Oh please no, my liver couldn't cope

[@commercialairliner]

I think I'll die of alcohol poisoning like that

[@Devenix8527]

Warning: Have an ambulance on standby; your liver will thank you.

[@weregretohio7728]

Gotta drink an entire gallon of vodka each for JK Rowling and Butch Shartman alone.

[@gracekim1998]

At this point for me it’s 5 (although I’m counting an actor in this number)

[@kimlechman5856]

Butch Hartman is coming to Fan Expo Denver. My best friend is excited to see him, and I told him “great! While you’re doing that, I’m gonna be on the other side to meet Don Bluth” I love my friend, but knowing who Butch Hartman is now, I just can’t get excited to meet him anymore. Don Bluth on the other, just shut up and take my money!

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

You're making the obvious right call. Don Bluth took on Disney.

[@LoveMyUnusual]

That's still really cool of you being gracious and supportive of your friend. ❤ Hope you guys have a great time!

[@kimlechman5856]

@@lyndsaybrown8471 I know that Don Bluth had his setbacks in the 90’s, especially with films like A Troll in Central Park, but his legacy on leaving Disney to make it on his own lead him to making amazing films, especially The Secret of Nimh, and unlike Butch Hartman, I have yet to hear anyone say anything bad about Don Bluth as a person.

[@bigbearkat2010]

@@kimlechman5856 Right, like at least Don Bluth didn't publicly blame someone's death on another actress, to her face or steal and trace other people's work for a quick buck.

[@BenHopkins1000]

I met them both at MegaCon. Let’s just say not many were lining up to meet Butch

[@writeon2593]

As someone with depression and anxiety, who is an introvert, and has taken a psychology class, I want to sit Hartman down and give him the facts. I can bring up my own experiences, those of others I know, studies, and the vast amount of information on the internet. Here's just one of many things. The term "introvert" has changed its meaning over time. While we now see it as being shy or needing alone time, it originally was supposed to describe someone who had strong beliefs and values that they would not change, even when the majority would believe otherwise. An extrovert, by contrast, would be someone willing to go with whatever is popular in society and, is okay with changing their beliefs and values as society changes. Both have value: introverts who stand up for what they believe in aid others in their minority, while extroverts are able to adapt quickly to anything that comes their way. By this definition, Hartman is actually an introvert, and I know he would hate that. That's fine with me.

[@Noname72105]

The man pretends magic and gods are real, the facts don't matter to people like that.

[@neilhannan5112]

Wow if I had a nickel for every creator that worked with Nick that Shaped their network and inspired thousands of children years later only to be Discover that he or she was a horrible person in real life I would have 2 nickels Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

[@neilhannan5112]

This video couldn't have come at a better time on that quiet on. The set documentary was released and now everyone hating Nickelodeon and people like Saberspark and his team show us why we should not promote this Kind of. Behavior ❤

[@tesloche9349]

More than twice actually, you'll have a lot of nickels

[@phoenixshadow6633]

Sadly, there probably is more across all kids' networks. It's just buried under NDAs, paperwork, and hush money.

[@p-__]

My farts are better than Saberspark’s farts 💨

[@Mossymoss69]

⁠@3mermaidmelodyfanatic3 he let pride consume him, so he wasn’t exactly a good person. Also the second person they’re talking about is Dan Schneider, who was an abuser and was weird with kids

[@toriistorii6939]

The Danny Phantom fandom rejected him years before his shittiness became as public as it is. I joined after that happened, so I don't really know *why* it happened, but clearly they were on to something lol

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Oh really?

[@jaceybella1267]

I was there, I can tell you exactly what happened. Butch had one of his mods ban any art, discussion, jokes, or even mentions about slash, aka gay ships. The claim was that his fans would make him look bad and hurt his reputation, as well as the idea that it was completely inappropriate for younger fans on his forums to even encounter the *idea* of something being gay. And it wasn't just on his forums, mind you. The mods would keep an eye out for people posting about slash on OTHER WEBSITES and would ban for it! Post a picture on deviantart of Danny and Tucker holding hands? Banned, no warnings, no nothing, all for what you do on another website. The mod's name was Zcat and record of this stuff is hard to find, those forums are pretty much lost now. There used to be a single screenshot I could find, but it seems that's lost now too. Funnily enough I was able to find one of my old Fandom friends live journal post from the time ranting about it

[@seeleunit2000]

​@@jaceybella1267Well, too bad for Hartman because the Slash fanart isn't going anywhere

[@jaceybella1267]

@@seeleunit2000 oh absolutely lol, the original post is from 2006 or something, clearly it didn't do shit for his concerns

[@brettwood1351]

@@seeleunit2000 Slash is far from the most disturbing thing I've ever stumbled across, and that includes Danny Phantom fanworks.

[@frisbyart]

The hypocrisy of him whining about wokeness, gender ideology, etc. in modern media and shows for kids, as if Fairly Odd Parents didn’t also have a good chunk of that in it too (see: Timmy’s dad dressing up in drag and loving it, Catman crushing on Timmy’s dad, and Cosmo getting pregnant). He’s become the type who completely forgot what made people love his work, to becoming the type of guy people can’t STAND listening to; appealing strictly to a demographic of people who would also lynch you if you showed them your early content to them (especially if they’re secular Christians). His argument about kids loving horror movies also makes no sense, and he’s clearly the type of guy who thinks gay parents will raise gay kids. What a tragedy of this man.

[@seto_kaiba_]

Tbf, the article was criticizing those things. He was just mentioned in it

[@frisbyart]

@@seto_kaiba_ it doesn’t change that he pretty much stood behind it or it even outright tolerating it. It’s like saying you’re not homophobic, but eat at Chick-Fil-A

[@seto_kaiba_]

​@@frisbyart Well I was just being pedantic but no eating a chicken sandwich does not equal an endorsement of the views of the owner anymore than you endorse whatever Susan Wojcicki believes based on the fact that you are using KZbin.

[@dragonqueen1474]

There is further irony in the fact Danny Phantom has become a trans icon in some circles.

[@Attmay]

G-nd-r is a misogynistic homophobic slur.

[@Mattferreri_]

As a Christian, his behavior is completely opposite of what it should be. This is the type of person who makes others see Christianity as a hypocritical joke. Especially his views on suicide and being introverted. Both of those topics have affected me in many ways, and his views on them are completely wrong.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

“You could really teach people a lot” *as they say the most inane commentary possible*

[@UnclePhil6705]

This. Real christians don't act like this!

[@jordanrodriguez4126]

The thing that angers me is that Butch and his wife believe that if you pray to god or have faith, you can be cured of all diseases or mental illnesses. The reality is things like mental illness and those who are suffering from a disease or infection can’t be treated by faith healing. The wellbeing and mental care of a person is very important and to ignore that is not just ludicrous, but dangerous.

[@cosmok-1367]

It's even worse when you hear about cases where these 'religious parents' refuse to give children medical treatment when they have cancer or a life-threating disease. And instead of taking them to the hospital for a chance to help them, they just 'try and pray it away'. I've seen stories about children who have died because their religious parents would rather put faith in their god for a cure instead of trusting medicine! And the fact those parents get away scoot free is what infuriates me! Them not helping their children when they are sick and watching them die should be considered child neglect! The fact that there aren't any laws that protect children from those kinds of acts or any penalties for parents who allow their kids to die because of their faith is what makes sickens me the most about such religious people!

[@Window4503]

Even one of the gospel writers, Luke, was a physician. The charismatic movement and its adjacent theology schools have done a lot of harm to the faith and the people adhering to those teachings.

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@cosmok-1367I’m not even Christian. But even I know that when you pray to god, he’s not going to literally reach his hand down to help you, he’s going to give the tools to help yourself, which includes using medicine and doctors

[@jessbellis9510]

@@cosmok-1367 Those who believe in faith healing shouldn't be allowed authority or guardianship over children. It's straight up negligence on an abusive level.

[@jessbellis9510]

@@ntfoperative9432 Basically god is a placebo, and placebos can't actually heal major issues since they're not caused by opinions or emotions. Like clinical depression - your brain literally doesn't produce enough of the chemicals needed to keep it emotionally stable, so no matter what thoughts you have, you're literally incapable of feeling normal.

[@wolfclaw719]

Man was born in 65 he would have grown up around Nam vets and seen men and women who fought in the middle east how the flippity funk can he say depression and trauma didn't exist back then?

[@LoveMyUnusual]

Not to mention Jonestown. 😬

[@na-ky8ou]

By being stupid.

[@BwooHuraca]

My guess would be 1. people didn't really talk about it so the symptoms people saw were probably blamed on substance abuse or generalized anger rather than trauma (some people, like Butch, also viewed "shell shock" simply as weakness or cowardice) 2. he didn't bother reading about it and assumes his anecdote is the same experience everyone else had. Ironically, "evil" TV helped put post-Vietnam PTSD into the mainstream consciousness and it was solidified in the DSM shortly afterwards.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

He simply chose not to see it

[@Vulpes_Ailurus]

Out of all the people who “created my childhood” I’d say Butch has been the least influential to me as an artist. Sure Danny Phantom was amazing and I loved FOP when I was a kid. But none of those shows made me want to be a cartoonist. I’d say Craig McCracken, Lauren Faust, Andy Powell, Rebecca Sugar, and Olan Rogers were my biggest inspirations to become a cartoonist. And that last one wasn’t even until I was well into adulthood.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

What did Olan Rogers work on?

[@Vulpes_Ailurus]

@@DrawciaGleam02 Final Space. He’s also the one behind Godspeed.

[@Yami-mugoni613]

It depends on the person I seen a lot of people get inspired by Danny Phatmon will how it had story elements and the ability to change the status quo

[@Vulpes_Ailurus]

@@Yami-mugoni613 I don’t want to say Danny Phantom wasn’t inspirational to anyone. But on the long list of things that did inspire me personally, it’s pretty low.

[@rainpooper7088]

Even if it was, you'd actually have Stephen Silver of Kim Possible fame to thank for the art style of Danny Phantom, not Butch Hartman himself.

[@krislee3155]

I showed him saying, "Wise as a serpent, and harmless as a dove" to my mother and asked her for her opinion on it. She told me that it means to be gentle and kind like a dove but to be aware of your surroundings and smart like a serpent. Know the tricks and ways that a serpent would use to prey on someone and protect yourself from them while still being a good person.

[@enegizedadam]

Well i think he got the opposite idea of this saying

[@UnclePhil6705]

Harmful as a serpent, wise as a dove.

[@chrisw2307]

One thing to add is that Oaxis wasn't NEARLY near it's goal towards the end of the campaign, but mysteriously got an insane number of donations in the last 48 hours. Which isn't unheard of for the end of a campaign, but usually not to that degree.

[@barsabe]

What do you suppose happened

[@chrisw2307]

@@barsabe the theory is he arranged to get the goal met through his own, or other backers' money, since Kickstarter is all or nothing. He would have had to give back the few thousand he DID raise, unless the entire goal was met. So somebody could have moved some funds he already had access to, to make it LOOK like it was entirely from the fans and crowd funding.

[@barsabe]

@@chrisw2307 oh right, I honestly forgot it was an all or nothing thing. Though I remember it wasn't kickstarter but a different service with the same premise.

[@p0kiipanda]

An hour and a half Saberspark video uploaded while I’m in the backseat of a car on a road trip?? For FREE?

[@mikesworld6064]

Have fun on the trip, bud :)

[@LindseyLouWho]

Stay safe out there! Hope you make it to your destination in one piece

[@mediamuncher69]

Relatable

[@p0kiipanda]

@@mikesworld6064 Thank you!!

[@p0kiipanda]

@@LindseyLouWho Thank you so much! 🩷 I’m at my destination now all safe. It’s just super rainy and cold 🥹

[@m.hreels9822]

This is one thing I will humbly agree with you on 100% Butch definitely destroyed his credibility being too egotistical and narcissistic about himself constantly.

[@seeleunit2000]

He's basically the real life human version of Brian Griffin

[@bluestreaker9242]

@@seeleunit2000 Why do I imagine Dudley Puppy as basically being Brian Griffin's Gary Stu? Ah, you know what, considering in the "Legalize Pot" episode where his author portrait on one of his published books is him but all Gigachad-buff, that sounds eerily plausible. XD

[@teeteestar3012]

I grew up in a Wiccan/Buddhist household. I remember watching The Fairly Oddparents with all the magical realism and thinking “This is an artist who would understand me.” Wow, was I wrong! And it doesn’t bother me that he’s Christian! I went to a Catholic college and am married to an Episcopalian. What bothers me is his huge ego, his unwillingness to pay or even credit/thank other artists who work with him, his twisted beliefs surrounding mental illness, and his desire/obsession with Christianity to the point that he wants to force it on everyone.

[@batatafrita2783]

Butch calling the 80s My Little Pony show bad is ironic because for the 80s, it was very nicely made compared to other toy commercial cartoons, and a franchise that managed to stay fresh for decades, unlike Fairy Odd Parents

[@Attmay]

I wasn’t a regular viewer but you do have a point.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Look I’m ngl the equestria movies have pretty decent soundtracks, rainbow rocks in particular

[@batatafrita2783]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat exactly, it had a lot of songs that were catchy as a whole, somewhat similar to steven Universe, which is very surprising a show to sell toys hit so well music wise

[@TheCommenterDragon]

Curse you Butch Hartman, He may have created amazing shows. But as a person Hartman is an absolute monster.

[@malleuscalgary]

Damn you sound like a handful

[@ZeldaSam1]

I think "Motherf!@#$%er" is a more fitting word.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

He's the kind of person to abuse you, then call you soft for being depressed and unwilling to see how they're the one who caused it.

[@ajduran91ad]

He puts outcast stereotypes and no logic with a poor sense of humor.

[@DangericeDreams]

Grits teeth and looks to the side *Hartman!!*

[@fire23fairy]

As a Christian who has struggled with depression and chronic illness, it absolutely drives me up the wall when people try to say that if God hasn't healed me by now, then I'm just not trying hard enough. 🙄🙄🙄 Or that I just need to pray, and try harder, and so on. It's not how it works! And people who try to claim that have a severe misunderstanding of true Christian values. Guys like Butch Hartman are wolves in sheep's clothing who use the cloak of Christianity to stroke their egos and line their pockets.

[@HalE14]

Im a Christian too and I feel you! I do believe there’s a lot that is our responsibility and choice but sometimes I think that certain things happen so we can help each other and serve each other like Jesus would. I know The good Samaritan is a parable, but imagine if he said, “he’s in trouble because he didn’t pray enough, so I’m just going to leave him here.” no. The good Samaritan saw that the man needed help and picked him up and took him where he needed to be to GET all the help he needed. He also asked the innkeeper to take care of him. not once did he blame the man for his trouble. I feel like people tend to treat mental illness like it was something THEY did and they should be punished. I don’t believe that’s how we are supposed to treat people in need of help for their mental health 😢

[@ayajade6683]

He's just another evangelical this is how they operate they're not Christians they're evangelicals

[@fire23fairy]

@@HalE14 Amen!

[@jmac356]

I agree. But why do we need to pray then?

[@HalE14]

@@jmac356 Praying is for us to keep in touch with God. By communicating to him, it can heal us in ways we need.

[@graysonperdue9402]

I’ve never seen such a passionate sponsorship than this guy and his mattress. I’ve seen preachers shouting with passion to the high heavens whose performance couldn’t match his vigor