WHAT'S GOING ON UP THERE!? Lawrence Krauss & Nick Pope

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[@dikhed1able]

This Krausse guy is way too human centric and embodies the hubris of intellectuals. "Physics dosnt allow that" and "a reasonable species wouldn't do that". Reason and physics don't begin or end with us. I personally don't know what it is or where it's coming from, all recent things seem to hint at the fact its more complicated than beings from another planet. All I know is that there is some sort of intelligence behind it that isn't human.

[@EVOMAN14]

👍🏼

[@stiopruryd4879]

And you have exactly zero proof behind this assertion of your « knowledge » beyond « I think so »

[@tomking7080]

I agree with you. I’ve been into the UFO topic heavily since 2001 after I read Richard Dolans book “UFO’s and the National Security State “. I also witnessed the Phoenix lights Craft in 1997 as it glided about 100 yards above our heads. It’s the biggest object I’ve ever seen in my life and it’s something that I will never forget. I think that these craft/beings have been here for a very long time. From what I’m hearing more whistleblowers ones with firsthand experience with craft,materials and bodies are going to start coming forward with a forced disclosure ever since the Schumer Amendment was gutted. I think that 2024 is going to be a huge year

[@fordhamdonnington2738]

Couldn't have put it better dikhed1! Maybe we're just not turtle enough for the turtle club.

[@maskddingo1779]

I agree. I can appreciate his argument of "new physics won't contradict existing physics", but I don't think that you can then leap to the conclusion that the new explaination of physics might not also explain why we thought there was a limit to the speed of light in our current understanding of physics, but without contradicting it (for example). Since we can't imagine what this new physics would be, we also can't imagine that it would necessarily contradict our current understanding. Also his "they would just use a telescope!" argument is disproven by our own continued use of probes and desire for human travel in space. Perhaps other civilizations don't all have the desire to explore 'in person', but the fact that we do want to contradicts his assumption that no one would ever want to.

[@tommiturunen1752]

Well, that was a bit painful to watch 😅 Thank you Pope for making it a bit easier.

[@NewbFixer]

100% Agree and i love Lawrence but dude wow, dont debate any more of these please lol. Good show Nick.

[@Paul_G73]

​​@@NewbFixerNick Pope is a fraud

[@joekey8464]

Alien adductions are horror stories, they are bad news.

[@rogerbabson7221]

While I appreciate LK's healthy skepticism, it seems the weakness of his arguments is that they're grounded in contemporary human concerns. Sure, no future discovery can invalidate proven science. But come on. The history of science is replete with examples of new discoveries opening up entire worlds of new possibilities. Quantum mechanics didn't violate Newton or Einstein, but before it was discovered all scientists agreed that nothing comes from nothing. Now, with QM, we know something comes from nothing, and returns to nothing, all the time. And the same will probably be true about the limits of space travel, etc. And lastly, for LK to argue against the "economics" of alien space travel is absolutely absurd. Economics is a human invention.

[@redshift8439]

nicely stated

[@TheHighlanderprime]

Krauss is an embarrassment to progress.

[@brachio1000]

Glad you said this. I wasn't looking forward to the twenty minutes it was gonna' take me to get the wording more or less right.

[@HegelsOwl]

There's nothing else for probabilities on ANY question but MODELS of past experience. Speculate all you like, but without a model of past experience you have very little or no probability.

[@rogerbabson7221]

Of course. I just outlined a model of past experience whereby scientists, like LK, have repeatedly dismissed evidence of new discoveries out of hand. That's the problem here. Another problem is his inability to consider that "alien" means not human. And by the way, my post contained no speculation.@@HegelsOwl

[@foxuploader]

utmost respect for both Gentlemen here, but hats off Nick for being polite and open minded when being challenged

[@singleparentsguidetothegal2371]

Exactly where we should all have this mindset.. because we need to disagree to find the truth!

[@orangemanbad]

It would’ve been nice if there was a scientist on the other end of this conversation to debate Nick. Larry is just a sputtering fool.

[@mikelorance2158]

I agree how can you be a scientist and be so close minded?

[@mrbend]

When the train was invented, scientists said that people can't withstand speeds higher than 30 mph. Krauss is a bit condescending and close minded because he claims "we already know everything there is to know." A bit dishonest, in my opinion.

[@Archeidos-Arcana]

I highly recommend Thomas Kuhn's investigation into the philosophy of Science -- who corrected many of the notions of Karl Popper had a few decades prior (which institutional Science acknowledges, but largely appears to ignore Kuhn). Still though, Kuhn's "Normal Science" still peddles onward, functioning as a mythical-religious belief system for the "educated minds" among us.

[@madphys]

As I remember the argument was that the air would be expelled at higher speeds so the passengers would suffocate. But that is besides the point. It is beyond me to understand why these people can't entertain the idea about intelligent design, rule-book and possibility of embedded "cheat codes". Especially in the era where the idea about information-based universe is getting recognized.

[@FightXScience-wh6kx]

The train was invented using science. And the consensus of scientists wasn't that humans could only travel at 30 MPH.

[@FightXScience-wh6kx]

​@@madphysThere's insufficient evidence for your claim. That's why science doesn't speculate wildly about it.

[@oioi9372]

A bit? The guy is a joke of cosmic proportions😂

[@acidcharon]

Pope, looks and acts like a genuinely-genuinely good person. He is so polite and enjoys this so much, hats off.

[@Dewalthasmymoney]

I used to really respect Krauss. I went nearly 4 decades believing NHI was BS. I have lost all respect for Krauss after this discussion. It's one thing debate and be skeptical, everyone should be skeptical. I'm skeptical. Krauss is extremely condescending. Just listen to the man talk. You can hear and see him being completely befuddled while stuttering. Purposely going off on tangents and not answering the questions. He's wrong. Worse than being wrong, he's close-minded. I hope he's alive when disclosure occurs. I can't wait to see his BS response. Absolute respect for Nick Pope. He had answers to everything Krauss had put forth but it became very apparent that Nick was just being polite and respectful in trying to avoid a train-wreck of a debate. Everything Krauss had put forth, was my perspective 5-6 years ago. "The distance is too great for anything more massive, without wasting a tremendous amount of energy" or "the government can't keep the secret" or "why would they send probes? It's too expensive?" Oh, but my perspective doesn't matter, I'm not a physicist. That's how his mind works. Let's project outwards for a moment. Imagine quantum computers and General AI. Humans in 200 years aren't going to send AI probes to all star-systems within 40 lightyears of Earth? Of course they will. Humans won't find more energy-dense ways of propelling light-weight craft? Highly-advanced metamaterials that can weigh very little? We WILL be sending automated AI to near by star-systems. As an American, I know we only think FOUR years in to the future, an election cycle. But a much more advanced intelligence will be sending probes (science projects) that may take 200 years to reach their destination, say... 30 light years away. Our advanced AI will steer, find organic matter and report back data to Earth at the speed of light. Once we do find life, we'll be sending larger craft. Krauss- "WHY WOULD WE SPEND THAT MONEY?" I don't know Krauss. Maybe, they know their planet is dying? Maybe they're out of resources? There's a thousand reasons why they'd spend the money. Krauss "that's why no scientists are studying UAPs." Actually... there's a lot of scientists interested in studying NHI. They're just not considered real scientists to Krauss. He's too close-minded. For a scientist... he really can't think outside the box. Every single statement by Krauss, the "facts", I've known for decades. How? Because I began listening to Krauss 20 years ago when he was on the History Channel "The Universe". I listened to Neil DeGrasse Tyson decades ago. I nearly majored in Astrophysics before ultimately getting my degree in Engineering. Krauss thinks he's on stage schooling the audience, but essentially everything he had said is common knowledge in 2023. I'm sure Krauss knows a lot more than I do in the world of Physics, but EVERYTHING he said to debate the NHI issue is well known. Whistleblowers such as David Grusch would absolutely tear Krauss apart; batting down every BS claim.

[@Shigawire]

Hear hear. You wrote it just the way I would've written. Thanks for sparing me the effort. 😊 The main point is that any sufficiently advanced tech will definitely look like magic, relatively. There's a lot of data on the UAP issue. Most of it likely buried in SAPs and CAPs. But perhaps part of why this phenomena got spurred extra six years ago, is the new type of radar they were testing in the jets (R Graves, eastern seaboard)? LK's argument seems to be one of incredulity. But, his absolute worst example - now become a ritualistic kneejerk mantra - is the idea that governments can't keep a secret. .... Dumb examples like Clinton's blowjob, or the comically clumsy ex-CIA "Plumbers" breaking into Watergate, are often brought up. Manhattan Project involved 100k people, possibly 600k if you include all the value chains and logistics inside USA. Yes Sovjet Union learned about it, because of a traitor who worked on it thought it safest for the world to have parity, rather than one dominator. Perhaps he was wrong, or right, I don't know. I just know it's history. But did the Sovjet Union tell the WORLD POPULATION about the nuclear bomb when they learned of USA's secret program? 😊 Another huge government secret program that was hidden from the world population, except fringe circles, was the German Holocaust. Hell, people living right next to death camps and crematoria had no idea what was happening. Perhaps they were ignorant, lying, or in denial. Holocaust involved 100k people working in it. Logistics, guards, chemistry factories like IG Farben, "doctors", etc.. Holocaust was successfully kept secret from the POPULATION until the very end of the war. Therein lies the fundamental flaw in LK's argument.

[@MultiBikerboy1]

Thank you both for saving me the trouble…you have written it far more eloquently than I could have done. The tech’s real, it flew over my house in the U.K. one evening in the 70’s. I believe we’re really not too far off Roswell getting given up. Think Eric Davis/Kitt Green and Hal Puthoff. That’s when the conversation gets really interesting.

[@ocskywatch1]

von neumann probes AI/ Meta Beings/ clones / hybrids/ avatars/ you don't need to send beings or large craft you just send the probes that create a hive and began terraforming, replicating, cloning ect. ect. i assume logic before jumping tp woo

[@Lily-yf2rx]

I love how Kraus implies that it is unlikely life would be curious and explorative, and yet he himself is evidence that life is in fact curious and explorative. LMAOOOO his sample size is literally 1 and his conclusion is drawn in opposition to all that it indicates.

[@barrysmith1202]

why krauss involved at all1

[@0001nika]

​@@barrysmith1202they need someone that could embody the ultimate science snob...e.g. someone that thinks he knows something

[@barrysmith1202]

@@0001nika that IS it, aint it? marketing101

[@Sammasambuddha]

Buddah says, "Perhaps he's the guy that drank the cup of ocean water and declared salt water isn't bad for you." Also, "Kraus immediately began with how he has never studied ufos. Covering his bases."

[@ChillAssTurtle]

​@@barrysmith1202because hes more intelligent than anyone here.

[@cdub414]

I would like to hear Krauss have a sit down conversation with Commander David Fravor and call his sighting a cultural phenomenon.

[@bluenick4577]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 he wouldn’t have a ball to do that Plus david fravor and 3 other pilots were there too while lawrence krauss was dribbling his pencil in his house

[@rustyshackleford2841]

Fravor would be accused of imagining things, that’s what it would come down to from these “scientist”, human misidentification!

[@chocopuddingcup83]

Just because somebody has 'officer' or 'commander' in front of their name doesn't mean they're more credible as an eyewitness.

[@cdub414]

@@chocopuddingcup83 he’s a top gun graduate, he testified in front of congress and there’s radar data to back up his story. But yeah not credible lol

[@chocopuddingcup83]

@@cdub414 The easiest person to fool is yourself. I think you're too eager to believe in UFO's and it's clouding your critical thinking.

[@alan8887]

As a person who has experienced a U.F.O./U.A.P. up close, Lawrence is certainly not having any of my nonsense. Lawrence gives me a chuckle. A man who thinks he knows everything.

[@dewiwilliams4821]

What did you see? Something you can't explain/identify, or something you believe is extraterrestrial in origin?

[@justinbennitt835]

Just as well there's evidence for this up close encounter... isn't there?

[@alan8887]

@@justinbennitt835 In my memory is where it resides. This ain't a court of law and I don't need to prove nothin to no one Justin. Had my fill of that bullshit all my life. Believe me or don't believe me. Couldn't care less.

[@justinbennitt835]

@@alan8887 but you understand Krauss' (or anyone else's) viewpoint being that for him to believe that the objects are of alien origin, there needs to be tangible evidence to prove it, regardless of how reliable the observer may be?

[@myhksm3025]

​@@alan8887 Leaving it to your memories is the smartest idea you could've done given that you can't show any evidence to prove such a claim like everybody else should, well, some just go one step ahead having themselves labeled psychiatric patients.

[@doubledigital_]

as much as i love krauss, hes way of the mark on this one

[@georgiypotulov23]

You can tell pope thought having him around was super counterproductive

[@nalbizo2]

Sure, if you want to believe in aliens visiting Earth.

[@mansoJoe]

It baffles me how such a renowned scientist can have some many certains and dogmas in his head. The levels of anthropocentrism are off the charts "Ok look, this shit is really hard for us to do, therefore its equally hard for any potencial civilization in the Universe"

[@91Kred]

same laws of physics in the whole universe. What makes you think any being evolving on a planet will continually progress until they become gods? They may very be a glass ceiling to scientific innovation or space travel where any living intelligent being that evolved on a planet cannot go beyond

[@Algolxxxxxx]

Yet Krauss is willing to entertain pure speculation in his book, a Universe from Nothing. A book which has been dismissed by his contemporaries as being just that, speculation.

[@sibbyeskie]

@@91Kredno we don’t know the “laws” let alone how they work. We have models that can predict to some resolution. And guess what, our models are breaking down everywhere and is why there are calls from guys Ike Armani Hamed to make radical leaps to break our current major impasse in fundamental physics. This is the irony with those like Krauss who clutch onto a metaphysical construct beyond the models and can’t see how this is how every scientist was fooled just the same in past eras.

[@joekey8464]

@@sibbyeskie Laws of the universe (Physics) are stable and no new findings will cause a skyscraper to collapse to the ground or an aircraft to suddenly fall out from the sky. or a power grid to shut down. So ET's would be using the same equations and formulas we use for our technology in how to build and create an airplane, a spacecraft, a building, a bridge, a nuclear power plant, etc..

[@christopheryoungbeck8837]

@@joekey8464 You seem a little closed minded. Ever thought of the possibility of NEW physics ?

[@rickjason215]

If a species is hundreds or thousands of years ahead of us would have technology that would look like magic to us. Also, we have over 40 whistleblowers that have filed for whistleblower protection.

[@JoeZorzin]

They could be millions or even billions of years more advanced- beyond magic, almost God like.

[@tommymyers3183]

@@JoeZorzinexactly!!!!

[@fuzzyspackage]

Thank God.

[@rickjason215]

@@JoeZorzin Look where we were just 100 years ago. We don't know what we don't know.

[@pichan8841]

It's actually more likely aliens have some kind of magic instead of science and technology. Science is a completely anthropocentric take on reality! The bottleneck of today's human perception and conciousness. If aliens truly are 'alien' their basic reality will differ drastically from ours. I wouldn't want to trade in our scientific world view for religion or magic, be assured. I love math, science, technology and engineering and I'm appalled by the rise of anti-science views like the flat earthers or creationists, etc. Nevertheless, the thing that expanded our minds and brought huge progress, science, is the very thing that limits our understanding, that keeps us from becoming next-level conscious beings.

[@timm9981]

I feel like this scientist has been living under a rock his whole life.

[@donjuan6297]

Yeah, his comment on politics confirms that.

[@singleparentsguidetothegal2371]

He's keeping people under a rock with him... Misery loves company! 😅😮

[@RobedLogic]

Also may be an epstein lister.

[@mikecrabtree8200]

A very large one at that.

[@justinbennitt835]

@@RobedLogic FFS, you disagree with someone's viewpoint so you throw out an accusation like that? Get a life.

[@-Gorbi-]

They day Kraus has all the veils pulled from his eyes he’s gonna have a hard time

[@zacharyshort384]

Krauss will offer some half-baked attempt at humility while sneaking in some pompous jab with Neal in the background swallowing a bottle of ADHD pills awaiting his appearance on Joe Rogan to explode when asked about aliens.

[@Paul-rt4ix]

This is exactly what i think too dude. I mean imagine if there was a world mass event by other worldy beings & they finally revealed themselves. I wonder how these close minded folk would react & how would they explain it away in a 'scientific' way?!!

[@georgec596]

People like Krauss may be pretending in public, He may secretly believe or has an open mind to UAPs and similar events.

[@SamWaterhouse]

I'm wondering how Nick stops himself from listing the cases that we wouldn't be able to explain

[@mkkrupp2462]

It would have been amazing to witness a debate between Krauss and the late nuclear physicist and UFO believer Stanton Friedman ! He debated the issue around the world including at places like Oxford University. And, with his detailed knowledge and accounts slaughtered the opposition.

[@seriousseriosity4055]

Where is this recorded? Are there video or audio recordings?

[@alexanderfederowicz]

They're using half the coin science at physics. Entropy allowed only physics is being implied as an absolute here. Extropic function of universe has been wholly emitted to the point of it being censored out of the conversation by the very hubris and neilistic purility that a previous commenter mentioned about this talker. My personal experience with this... Between the years of 1975 and 1981, eyewitness my own father who was a doctorate of nuclear physics and mathematics code develop and complete the tokamak fusion reactor at Westinghouse research and development center in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. He and his colleagues went on to adopt this toroidal reactor to spacecraft the size of several modern aircraft carriers. This was an interstellar space fleet they were laying the design process for. At that time doctor William Mills Tompkins who designed the infrastructure for the commanded control and launch systems of NASA at Cape Canaveral stated verbatim that what he was actually developing was the very process that I witnessed my own father and his colleagues working on. If you listen to this man's argument he directly describes the processes of intelligent control of inertia gravity and time through what actually exists and happens to be directly addressable by the right hand rule process. Right hand rule directly leads to the creation of a gravity vector. The simple process that induces a gravitational vector is the rapid rotation of a magnetic field. This man is not actually highly intelligent he is simply a well-trained monkey who does not understand his severe level of brainwashing due to the fact that it has been wrote trained into his consciousness. I consider him to be mentally disabled on a legal basis.😮

[@PittbuII]

@@seriousseriosity4055also wondering this

[@thetruthchannel349]

Ya but why did Nick Pope steal Peter Falk's shoes he used for Columbo?

[@TheLegenDacster]

SF was also a bona fide brilliant scientist.

[@JB-ty8vf]

Thank you, Nick👍

[@neilsmith9220]

LK needs to remember Lord Kelvin, who in 1895 stated that heavier than air flight was scientifically impossible. In 1903, the Wright brothers made their first successful flight of a heavier-than-air flying machine at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.

[@porkypig7170]

That’s why scientists are scientists and not engineers

[@invisiblecollege893]

Yep. He totally missed the point

[@ernieblue5307]

Apparently Lord Kelvin and his like had never yet witnessed a bird.

[@orangemanbad]

Why? Larry doesn’t care about science or advancement. He’s a religious bigot. All he cares about is advancing atheism.

[@gentelsatori1342]

Exactly this. Back then the common thought was that human flight would not be possible for another million years, and yet today we have aircraft with payloads of 500 tons that can fly.

[@jefflambert8825]

I actually wanted to hear the theory that that first question asker proposed about a inertial gravity, and Lawrence Krauss’ ego will not let the guys finish his own sentence, and propose his theory for the rest of us to hear. It’s like it’s more important that he’s the smartest guy in the room. Then everybody gets their thoughts out and other people can understand how they’re right or wrong.

[@auggies]

People get in their own way when it comes to things they won't accept.

[@Cronus_1]

So sad. I was looking forward to this discussion in general, but it morphed into a lecture on why thinking outside the box is foolish and wouldn't produce any results.

[@Loiczzr]

He didn't want to hear anything about it, it was going against his belief...

[@joekey8464]

How can you take someone seriously who is wearing a lab coat to this event..

[@chubbster80]

Krauss is Hubris personified on this topic.

[@jamesmichael7448]

The thing that annoys me about certain skeptics, “I would consider myself one but am open minded on the this subject” Is that they really don’t take more than a few mins to think about it. Like the argument against UFOs is the money to be made if someone disclosed this, but it is possible this stuff remaining hidden would continue to enrich the lucky few who might have access according to whistle blowers, like Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, ect. So the motive to keep this secret is definitely believable. Now I’m not saying this is true, but for skeptics to not even consider a possibility like that annoys me. Means they really haven’t thought about that.

[@Anon-xd3cf]

They often don't think particularly deeply about anything. They have a narrow world view and things that don't fit must be wrong. It's not skepticism it's naivety.

[@blackhat856]

Of course and most of these clowns are compromised..on the payroll of the likes of the CIA..600k worked on the manhattan project and it was kept a secret up until the fat boy was dropped

[@jed4119]

Krausse seems devoid of imagination, his logic prevents him from envisaging any scenarios that make UFOs possible. I do think people like him might be in for an awfully big shock soon. I would love him to explain to me what the silent, black triangle I saw in the 80s hoovering over my village was. He is super sure he knows everything.

[@0001nika]

He is a jerk. Even skeptics wont have him

[@coreyander286]

How are you defining "an awfully big shock soon"? Pick a specific date, maybe 1 January 2029, five years from now let's say, and if you think UFOs will be nearly universally accepted by then. Write that date and the prediction on a big sign and post it in your house so you don't forget what you predicted.

[@aleksandarruben9395]

I stopped listening to his drivel when he sad why would they be saucer shaped. He is obviously clueless about the physics of fields - for example, a generated magnetic field would be ideal if the object is saucer shaped. So that would be valid for any energy field which they would use as shield for example.

[@seriousseriosity4055]

It’s not his logic. It’s his hubris. He doesn’t possess an ounce of humility to allow himself to consider what he doesn’t already know. Which is the worst trait in a theoretical physicist or any scientist, for that matter.

[@jed4119]

@@korrenastarkey8780 crikey he will be hoping for a lift off plant now

[@hossskul544]

17:23 so you don't think the government keeping any secrets? You don't think that they're able to keep anything secret ? There's no area 51 that we don't know about, there wasn't the atomic bomb project that was kept secret Cetera etc. etc. I'm already finding it hard to take this guy seriously which is always the case when people think they're smarter than what they are.

[@brandonstone2754]

What he said is demonstrably false. Classified military R&D and Classified information In general is kept secret every day by large amounts of people daily

[@davidkottman3440]

Depending on how you look at it, all the things mentioned have been an open "secret" all along. People have talked, published, & done interviews. Denials of public knowledge is not the same as keeping it secret.

[@Crimsonphilosophy]

I feel like humans would be hard to imagine if I were another species.

[@erichimes3062]

Krauss seems to be intellectually-stagnant like Neil Degrasse Tyson.

[@GinaTeolis]

Yes, this is exactly what was going through my mind as well. 😑

[@ericvondell5157]

Sagan's spinning in his grave; Tyson Soooo disappoints in his potential! There are many deadly sins, amongst which "Intellectual Stagnation" is the worst!

[@kennyfunseth6908]

Most scientists don't believe in GOD. Seems nowadays most people also.

[@kennyfunseth6908]

You got that right brother.

[@jarirepo1172]

It seems like anything that goes beyond our current public knowledge he categorically declares impossible. Also about governments keeping secrets, Nick told him he has been working on secret projects that HAVE NOT COME TO PUBLIC knowledge - once again Krauss seemed to ignore that since that would have disproven his point about keeping secrets. Really, seems like he thinks he knows it all and anything beyond that is impossible. I thought that if you told medieval person, someone 500-1000 years ago what we have now and are capable of doing, he would say exactly same things: "It's simply not possible, I don't want to be rude but it's not possible."

[@johanpregl4801]

Lawrence Krauss-locked into the framework of Western science

[@jimmyphillips2216]

Interesting to listen to someone that insists nothing can conflict with current physics, completely ignoring the possibility our understanding of physics as we know them today may be full of unknowns that can completely change things. Say a gravity envelope around a craft might completely nullify g force effects as we know them…pretty close minded and short sighted.

[@Anon-xd3cf]

We know, or at least think we know that neutron stars exist... It is not inconceivable to me that collection and utilisation of neutronium could result in gravity manipulation technologies. All the simulations we have regarding compressed matter and extra spacial and temporal dimensions and gravity warping quark and neutron matter... We went from fighting on horseback to fighter jets to autonomous drones in less than 150 years. It is not inconceivable to me that some kind of gravity manipulation or "cheating" might be achievable in the next 150.

[@mkkrupp2462]

There have been hundreds of sightings by pilots, military personnel and reputable people over the years - all around the world. They have prompted in-depth investigations- like the high level French Cometa investigation of the 1990’s. The chief of the UK defence force Lord Norton stated that visiting craft from space were real. So did a one time Defence Minister of Canada. How can these be so easily dismissed?

[@misdangered4326]

That was the opinions of the two gentlemen in much the same way as we have our opinions, rather than anything directly connected to their positions. But yes, the sheer amount of testimony from substantial witnesses is massive. The large numbers of police officers reports is worth considering too.

[@mrrooster4876]

The Defense Minister of Canada said this wasn't of an opinion that we had made contact and he knew of this directly. @@misdangered4326

[@Bigredwillol]

They are all self serving lying disinformation agents. Thats how

[@mikebell4649]

It’s called argument ad populum

[@jimsworthow531]

exactly; they are being seen daily and the US congress had the conference this past summer; this wouldn't be done for nothing.

[@Crypto2814]

They should’ve paired Krauss against someone who is science educated like Eric Weinstein. Eric would steamrolled right over Lawrence in this subject.

[@kms08711]

Yeah nick pope is too calm and kind for this stuff

[@annangel4828]

Or Eric Davis.

[@TheChadavis33]

Or Kevin Kenuth

[@tommymyers3183]

Or Hal Puthoff.

[@tommymyers3183]

Or Gary Nolan.

[@Hyzer_Sozay]

41:52 I'd love to hear Kraus talk about the Japan airlines cargo flight 1628. They don't just fly around in tictacs. Or the Vandenberg football field sized domino 😂 Kraus just made my bucket list of people I can't wait to see what they say after disclosure. Right next to Neil deGrasse Tyson and Mick west

[@mrgreenbudz37]

Lawrence Krauss, really annoys me and I can't finish watching the show. I hate arrogant ignorant people like him.

[@edgarcastrobathen8094]

X2

[@KnightspaceORG]

Lmao, this thing? ONE person in ONE plane allegedly saw something, something none of the planes close to it saw, nor did any ground radar detect. Pilot himself was a very strong believer in UFO's, so he was incredibly biased as well. What, you think he would be stumped if a random dude like me could debunk it in a minute?

[@mrgreenbudz37]

Ah, another keyboard idiot that fancy's himself in-telli-gent. Thank you@@KnightspaceORG

[@systemic_disclosure766]

Agreed! That ship has sailed, theres overwhelming evidence proving their existance. In fact, to think we are alone in the Universe is obsurd! The pentagon has come clean finally! My hats off to them, they did a great job keeping it to the wackos for all thse years. Theyve been told yet still in denial. Neil deGrasse Tyson has made a career out of lying to the people. IMO this guy is an assclown! **JUST THE FACT THAT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE HAD FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE OF THESE EXISTING GOING BACK 1000s OF YEARS** THEIR NOT ALL LYING! **THIS GUY IS AN ASSCLOWN!**

[@anthonycarilla6919]

I love science but when Scientists spend millions of hours studying theory with little to no evidence how can they debunk UAPs given all the empirical evidence going back decades? Please...give me a break.

[@robotx4242]

I love how Dyson Spheres, a fantasy sci-fi concept without one shred of evidence can be discussed with no fear of smirks in the mainstream science community but the UFO/UAP phenomenon with literally thousands of eyewitness reports from military and commercial since WWII can be laughed off as woo woo nonsense.

[@Pavel_Poluian]

In the book of Christopher Buckley's "little Green men" calls for the President - the requirement to disclose the mystery of UFOs, behind which lies the secret activities of the secret military.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Awww. Bless. The highly educated qualified scientist has challenged your want or need to believe in little green men. Bless you. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. There is zero so called empirical evidence of aliens visiting earth. Zero. Grow up.

[@tommymyers3183]

I agree!!

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Aww, bless. A scientist who is one of the scientists at the cutting edge of contemporary science isn’t debunking UAP’s. He’s only stating facts. If that’s shattered your slightly naive opinion about uap’s being actual aliens then that’s not his problem. It’s yours. There is zero evidence that we have been visited by aliens or alien crafts. You do know what UAP actually means right ?

[@JoelPace-ch5uk]

They might not be from other planets, but they exist. They are there. I have no idea what they are, but I think we can all at least agree that these objects are out there and flying around in our atmosphere. We are beyond doubt on that now.

[@joekey8464]

No one doubt that, Nations have been studying them since the 50's The 1968 Condon Report put a damper on further research when it found that “nothing has come from the study of UFOs in the past 21 years that has added to scientific knowledge.” - All other countries had nothing new to report (Russia, France, Italy, Canada, Brazil. etc.) What was true in 1968 is still true today: The Pentagon UAPTF (2020), 2023 (AARO) and the recent NASA report all came out the same. July 2023 Grusch claimed non-humans and "alien retrievals". NASA's Sept 2023 report on UAP, refuted Grusch claims when it said: “It is important to clarify, based on our current findings and methodologies, that we find no evidence to suggest that UAPs are extraterrestrial in origin,”.

[@christianmorales5974]

It’s so sad that the scientific community has been duped.

[@hakology]

totally this ^ what i've witnessed breaks anything we're commonly told by physics / science

[@scod9746]

UFOs is not the only subject a majority of the science community has been duped on where commercial companies make profits with poisons and pollutions and the MIC pays scientists to make weapons of wars saying its "for defense" but always leads to more murders.

[@JessieAllen-r6m]

This is not science but scientism.

[@DrIanRubenstein]

If an elderly but distinguished scientist says that something is possible, he is almost certainly right; but if he says that it is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

[@billymania11]

Kind of a strange argument you have but I'll leave it at that.

[@glennfeldt_74]

In the beginning of this video Nick really pinpointed what I have been saying for years and years: it’s fruitless to argue about this topic. Let’s get past this point already. But then this other guy ask how the army can keep this a secret and imminently the discussion became this tug of war I hear over and over again and the discussion never progressed. This is exactly my point.

[@sikwillyadams4829]

Kraus had nothing to contribute. This wasn't a discussion worth having. Pope should have asked him to speak on the statements our military pilots and intelligence officers have made concerning their interactions with the phenomenon. Kraus would have to admit that he has nothing to contribute to the topic.

[@georgiypotulov23]

Pope immediately realized this guy is the wrong guy to be talking to. Why talk to someone who is trying to protect his business of skepticism and money while Pope protects his side, Pope or the guest should have done a better job searching for the right guest

[@coreyander286]

What's the alternative to a tug of war? Pretending that there's agreement when in good faith there isn't an agreement?

[@glennfeldt_74]

@@coreyander286 Imagine two people arguing weather you can eat a bowl of soup without a spoon. Now imagine you’re the person saying that you can eat a bowl of soup without a spoon. You can stay in this discussion for an eternity, or you can actually pick a fork and go to work to prove your point. Eventually you WILL be able to empty that bowl of soup with that fork, but as long as you’re still having that discussion you will never empty that bowl. I’ve heard this ufo tug-of-war a thousand times. The only difference is who’s having it. My conclusion is that most people loves the argument itself more than getting some real answers.

[@------YeahOK------]

Krauss is speaking on behalf of all superior intelligence - including those a billion years ahead of us.

[@jeremymccann8508]

This guy hasn’t got a clue with the sneakers…. Wow… he obviously has an ego that tells him HE is a member of the most intelligent species in the entire universe…and just wants to believe it so bad that he’s completely blind.

[@kms08711]

Lawrence krauss:whatever they are, they are not aliens 😂 A scientist who is not curious about the unknown What a shame

[@kevinhoran5253]

He thinks if I don't understanding it. It can not possibly exist

[@theodorethelogicalblackman9444]

U guys really dnt get it 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@sg9524]

Was a great chat, mainly because Pope was so well natured, and put accross the most interesting, thought-provoking points that often well countered Krauss' unimaginative points. Didn't the scientific community of the past loudly laugh at poeple that considered if the world was not flat. Lastly, the Q&A was excellent and partly highlighted that what we almost never see is physicists on both sides of the fence debating each other's points using simple language with powerful persuasion, so that most people can understand (including the opposing physicist).

[@justinbennitt835]

Calling Kraus's points unimaginative is valid, because they weren't based on imagination, they're based on observation.

[@justinbennitt835]

Calling Kraus's points unimaginative is valid... because they weren't based on imagination, they're based on observation or were ideas that are based on the observed laws of physics.

[@blackhat856]

Nick Pope is too good for this clown show

[@NeoKailthas]

"New physics can't contradict old physics". Quantum mechanics entered the chat.

[@CHEDDARANDWAFFLES]

Hahaha 100%

[@baneverything5580]

Yep! That was my immediate thought as well! And you can BET YOUR LIFE they know way more about subatomic physics, gravity, and light than they`ll ever admit. Have you LISTENED to these "scientists" babble on and on and on about the subject...like all of them memorized the exact same senseless babbling BS script just to confuse the average Joe AND their students? Anyone who has witnessed UFOs or paranormal activity KNOWS they`re hiding something on orders from world leaders. Maybe they have valid reasons for doing this...but they`re calling ME a CRAZY PERSON for being a victim of these things. My family experienced these same events too so I KNOW better!

[@Shadi_Wajed]

Quantum physics doesn't contradict old physics. Quantum physics doesn't make Einstein nor even Newton wrong or contradict with them.

[@NeoKailthas]

@@Shadi_Wajed what are you smoking? Determinism vs. Probability: Newton's laws are deterministic, meaning they predict specific outcomes given initial conditions. Quantum mechanics, however, is inherently probabilistic. It only predicts the probability of finding a particle in a particular state, not a definite outcome. Continuity vs. Quantization: Newtonian mechanics views physical properties like energy and momentum as continuous, capable of taking any value. Quantum mechanics introduces the concept of quantization, where properties like energy exist only in discrete, 'quantized' levels. Nature of Light and Matter: Newtonian mechanics treats light as a wave and matter as particles. Quantum mechanics, with wave-particle duality, shows that both light and matter exhibit properties of both waves and particles. Scale of Application: Newton's laws work well at the macroscopic scale but fail at the atomic and subatomic levels where quantum effects dominate. Uncertainty Principle: Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, a fundamental theory in quantum mechanics, states that it is impossible to simultaneously know both the exact position and exact momentum of a particle. This concept has no analogue in Newtonian physics. Superposition and Entanglement: Quantum mechanics introduces concepts like superposition (objects can be in multiple states at once) and entanglement (particles can be connected in such a way that the state of one instantly influences the other), which have no counterparts in classical physics.

[@IanM-id8or]

Quantum mechanics does not contradict General Relativity - except where quantum mechanics is obviously wrong

[@futurodistropico]

Krauss is just enamored with his own limited view of life. "Prove me wrong, that would be fascinating" hahaha who does he think he is? Such a pedant individual.

[@Shadinsb]

Go ahead and prove him wrong then.

[@Sparkey4646]

Definitely not a fan of Klauss. Very very close minded

[@edgarcastrobathen8094]

I agree Krauss, thinks the world turns around him because he is a physicist

[@beng1137]

You wouldn't just need to prove him wrong, you would need to prove that all of the physical laws he is talking about are wrong. If you think you can do that then you are the one with an even bigger ego than him. You're basically saying you're smarter and know more than all of the worlds scientists. And you have the nerve to say Krauss is the egotistical one?

[@rd264]

science is a process of examining experiments and evidence. Krauss here isnt focused on specific evidence. He is merely opining on generalities.

[@peterstanbury3833]

I found it infuriating that so much of the discussion revolved around extraterrestrials, and there was practically no discussion of UFOs being from right here on Earth but from some other dimension. It seems to me almost as if Lawrence Krauss was avoiding this, and hoping that Nick Pope would not raise the issue.

[@NuntiusLegis]

I was missing the point that, if this universe should be a simulation, for those who run it from the next level of reality, the laws of physics on our level would be nothing but a set of variables in their code, so if they chose to examine this little planet because evolution took an interesting path, that might easily look to us as phenomena defying physics.

[@johnellis6455]

Absolutely. Multiverse theory would suggest to me that probes or alien craft from advanced civilizations could be able to move between these realms and appear and dissappear - as they seem to do. Also, right andled turns could be unmanned vehicles (so g forces don't matter) or a phenomenon associated with inter-dimensional travel - or entirely possible for 'manned' vehicles with antigravity physics involved. I think Krauss is naive to presuppose that future physics would look like today's physics - rather it would look like magic.

[@andrewmcdermott797]

Agree with John Ellis above. Why we always assume there is someone innthe vehicles doesn't make sense. We send out drones, why would these craft not be drones or AI integrated with life forms etc. And yes the idea that it's interdemensional or the fact they are here already, under water or elsewhere.

[@toekkababy5329]

Krauss is talking like our technology is a million years old instead of 200 and we know it all

[@PolishInsight]

That girl at the end, with her „tangible” Climate Change concern, what a stroke of genius! It’s „Like” she’s such an explicit „like, you know” example of „like” our educational systems’ great success.

[@strangestuff8863]

No evidence - Objects defying momentum - instant acceleration - huge speeds - radar detections plus optical sensors - Visual identifications happening on a weekly basis by American pilots. It all shows that closing his mind to this subject may have been a big mistake. Somebody may be paying him too much.

[@anitasingam4831]

I’m only halfway through thus far but he has blugged his books twice so far…

[@BixbySnyder209]

Nick Pope kept this interesting. Thank you Nick.

[@johnnyboy1014]

I wonder if Krauss has shares in Lockheed Martin?

[@doerdletfg]

The problem with the perspective of many scientists/intellectuals on this matter is that they make the assumption (as they have throughout history) that our current level of understanding of science and mathematics is completely accurate and at the peak of what can be understood. They leave no room for the “maybe we understand our universe incorrectly” line of thinking. This is so arrogant and you can see his arrogance so many times throughout this video. He’s the only one interrupting and directly insulting people.

[@leecooper9436]

Seriously did Nic forget to tell him about the ufo hovering over military nuclear installations around the planet

[@martinalladin8981]

Mr krause, I have the utmost respect for you as a physicist. I've seen you in many shows and for the most part find your insights very accurate and mentally stimulating. That being said, when it comes to UFOs you are fantastically naive. Here's the skinny.... there have been with suppliers there are tons of whistleblowers many people who have come for including Jesse Marcel from Roswell who stated the material that he handled on the crash site was nothing like the ones they made him pose with. In fact, they said if you run your mouth you and your family are in danger. According to them it was a balloon from Project Mogul as I'm sure you know the sheer volume oh crash debris debunks that you don't need a flatbed and multiple ambulances to carry around the amount of material of one of those balloons . On the subject of the bodies that were supposedly recovered,, they asked what are the smallest coffins available that can be hermetically sealed and how would I preserve a body without changing its chemical structure this is from the mortician in Roswell who had all the military contracts at that time. When someone brought up the bodies, t h e y Proclaim that they were actually mannequins being used in a high altitude drop experiment. That's all well and good, except that program didn't start till 1952 my point being if there's nothing to hide why are you covering it up. They have changed their stories multiple times. As far as evidence goes, do you believe the cockpit of an F-35 exists? If so, then send me a picture of one they have these recovered items buried so deep under so much security and compartmentalized over so many different foundations corporations an agencies with acronyms you've never heard of, the getting evidence out to the public is nigh impossible. I find that a skeptic's mind is devoid of any neuroplasticity to make any great leaps, their reasoning is essentially in a box. But you're a very intelligent man, I urge you to take the time do the research just as you would with any physical principal I believe you might find there's more to the story then your current belief system allows you to extrapolate. Again I have the utmost respect for you and if you have read this far thank you very much I wish you good health, long life, and immutable happiness.

[@theodorethelogicalblackman9444]

You know what your problem is?, Your so smart that your dumb. It's simple physics. These things are not organic alien beings. They are intelligent spiritual beings from another dimension. The ancients told us this, it's in the bible and every religion they are the fallen ones tricking us. Ik it's odd. But it's true. I'm sorry to shatter your blissful lil world but I'm telling you man. Look at the night sky as much as possible guess what nothing changes. Same stars. All you'll notice is them being in different spots because they are spinning around us. Do you get it? See with your eyes not what you hear. We cannot leave this earth. None of us have been up there. But your telling me we are moving yet we see the exact same star constellations? See with your eyes bud. Go out at night and see. Simple.

[@krisaaron5771]

Roswell is virtually next door to Los Alamos. If radioactive material used in the development of Fat Man and Little Boy was being sent to another government site via military aircraft and accidentally ejected (lost) over the ranch where Mack Brazel worked... and the incident absolutely HAD to be covered up... is it possible that a American army officer would blurt out the first explanation that occurred to him? Sure, it was a whopper and backfired badly, as whoppers often do. But the possibility that part of our own mega-weapon destined for covert experiments elsewhere was "misplaced" is still better than a UFO flown by teeny gray aliens crashing in the desolate desert. And the negative headlines that would announce *"ARMY LOSES ATOM BOMB!!!"* (and over America, no less) would have been a true nightmare.

[@kenmolloy1645]

Krausse is really smart and knows everything, just ask him.

[@HeyBusterLuke]

FIGJAM

[@kyleregional]

I am not a physics expert, but according to Krauss, there won't be any further understanding of the universe. Does he really believe that our laws apply to the entire universe. Did he really say that off world vehicles would be aerodynamic? I guess there will be no new discoveries. A debate doesn't usually involve one side bending over and grabbing their ankles.

[@joekey8464]

Yes, the Laws of Physics is true to the entire universe. Gravity is gravity and the speed of light is constant and there are only 92 naturally occurring elements in the entire universe. So actually man knows a lot about the universe. We can know the properties of a star a hundred light years from earth thru the electromagnetic spectrum.

[@HeyBusterLuke]

@@joekey8464 But isn't that a bit like an ant stating "when it rains things get wet and our ant holes flood and that's that, no way of stopping it"?

[@joekey8464]

@@HeyBusterLukeWe are not ants and our science already know enough of the universe to know that there are certain things that are impossible. The distances of space are so vast, that we are isolated from the nearest star, which is just a mere 4.4 light years away. SETI is looking at stars 100 light years away. If the earth is scaled down to the size of a pea, the nearest star (Alpha Centauri) will be 30,000 km away. You can't even see a pea from 10 meters away, and you won't even know that a pea exist from 50 meters away, what more from 30,000 kilometers..

[@dougg1075]

Me and a good friend witnessed three large orbs over a small pasture on his farm at close range and broad daylight. Lasted twenty minutes. Twenty minutes feeling like a deer in headlights. About 100 yards .

[@clinteastwood14896]

Did you take pictures?

[@solarnaut]

@@clinteastwood14896 wouldn't ya know it . . . the good camera was 21 minutes away taking selfies of someone's lunch. There are a few videos on y/t of earth lights and "hovering" balls of electricity ... very weird and uncommon natural phenomenon, etc.

[@Greg-go8ep]

@@clinteastwood14896 there are high fidelities videos of just about every possible situation (even rare) that you can imagine these days. Many of which are housed here on KZbin. Yet, no high fidelity videos of Bigfoot, the Lockness Monster, or extraterrestrial life. Fascinating coincidence...

[@alex79suited]

Its not about being a believer thats irrelevant to the conversation. It's about knowing or not knowing thats what the conversation is about. And we do know, wether you believe or not is irrelevant, because it's not about one's beliefs that's for you and your Religion. Whats important is we take strides in understanding and move our civilization to the next stage in our evolution. It's not traveling to the stars thats holding us back, its the belief we can't thats our biggest hurdle. Keep an open mind and do your part. Peace 😎 ✌️.

[@annangel4828]

EXACTLY!

[@miketracy3777]

Never will I ever, ever listen to this guy again, I would however listen to Nick anytime he speaks!

[@donaldcooper5390]

I personally love the part where he blames ufo olygist of making a living off this. And what would be that mean for astrophysics if all of a sudden we had an alien species who already had the universe chart. I would probably be out of a job.

[@scod9746]

exactly, the arrogant hypocrisy of Krauss is so disgusting, same with Tyson the Sagan-wannabe. Krauss acts like he doesnt make money off his talkie talk scam gig.

[@georgiypotulov23]

That chart would be so “alien” Krauss and other physicists wouls probably have their jobs for another 200 years using ai to try and crack their code, and even after all that time the probably still wouldn’t have cracked 10% of the whole chart. Dr Krauss thinks in such a limited way you can see pope cringing over there

[@uncletrashero]

the part that kills me is that Laurence has made his entire career and a lot of money on this subject. WITHOUT having any "evidence" to support his claims. All he ever says is "Humans arent currently capable of this, so aliens cant be either." which is just plain stupid.

[@ericvondell5157]

Good point; kinda like with Santa Clause being replaced by Straybid WOF Dragons this Christmas!🤪😻💕🛸

[@redmed10]

​@uncletrashero when has he said that. Citations needed when you make such claims if you want to be believed.

[@adelkamal6464]

I am from Qatar ,for years have been witnessing unexpected phenomena happening, such as the appearance of drawings or images on the walls of my room, including beings close to humans that differ in features, with running of animals writings , numbers pass quickly, The strangest one happened when i was in sleep,suddenly woke up with presence of a shiny, cylindrical shape install little below the ceiling about a meter long astonished and confused me how did enter while the room closed, not knowing how suddenly left as well as other things. using google to translate Arabic to English.-

[@Seraphim33AD]

This guy with the converse shoes has spent approximately 0 minutes of his life reading government documents 😂

[@walleviolencia]

The Guy with Converse-shoes, is One of the worlds leading Theoretical Physicists, Though. But Hey! We want to believe. 😅

[@dandavidson6097]

​@@walleviolenciaexactly

[@readynowforever3676]

My friend, please learn the difference between captivating theater and verifiable evidence.

[@brandonstone2754]

​@@walleviolenciabeing an expert on one thing doesn't make you right about all things. In this case his thoughts are demonstrably untrue on two accounts. First: great numbers of people keep information secret for long periods of time. It helps if it carries penalties for taking like classified info does. We all KNOW that there is R&D on new weapons that we all know nothing about. There are also other historical examples. Second: there are all kinds of whistleblowers, ex government officials, military personnel etc. That have all "spilled the beans". If it's being kept a "secret" it's one of the worst kept secrets of all time.

[@zacharyshort384]

@@walleviolencia Certainly both those can be true simultaneously ;) Let's say Krauss's intellectual prowess and his utter lack of familiarity with the discussed topic exist in superposition :P

[@marilyndube1542]

I feel that Lawrence Krauss feels the need to say that he knows it all. I would think he should be more open minded. I feel that Nick Pope is very patient. How can we believe that the immense universe can not hold unknown knowledge.

[@nalbizo2]

You must have missed the part when Krauss said that it's important to say "I don't know".

[@marilyndube1542]

@@nalbizo2 Thank you, I did miss that part

[@anaskadri4896]

So basically klauss is saying that an alien civilization that is a billion years old would use what we have now because we the most intelligent beings

[@davidcarver3142]

Krausse is so caught up in HUMAN conventions, HUMAN science and HUMAN intentions. He doesn’t get it!

[@jayknight139]

well said

[@stoobydootoo4098]

How could it be otherwise? What ALIEN conventions/science/intentions are you aware of?

[@davidcarver3142]

@@stoobydootoo4098 Well, alien’s likely wouldn’t think like us at all, and wouldn’t be limited by the same factors we are(energy consumption), time or resources. They would likely be so advanced that our current understanding of Physics would not limit them. Maybe they slip in and out of our universe from another universe that is right next to us. There are so many possibilities that we as humans can’t conceive of.

[@stoobydootoo4098]

@@davidcarver3142 Well, if there are possibilities that humans can't conceive of, how can we consider aliens' perspectives? So we can only be human centric.

[@bms77]

@@stoobydootoo4098 The point was not that we are aware of alien conventions, the point is that when you don’t know something, you should not conclude that it’s impossible how did you miss that?

[@IVANHOECHAPUT]

I've thought for years that Lawrence was a self appointed know-it-all. He is right up there with the most combative physicist, arrogant of all, Neil deGrasse Tyson.

[@vincehilare3586]

Both thick as shit

[@meisievannancy]

DeGrausse seems to be favored by the leftist msm media, hence his views being so exaggeratedly expounded. More emotional than scientific imo.

[@IVANHOECHAPUT]

@@korrenastarkey8780 Was Neil the Ass Tyson in the seat next to him?

[@richardwright345]

Nick pope is the most British man ive ever seen. God save the king.

[@joshuawright4142]

Nick pope did great. The other guy was very closed minded and ignored a lot of reports that are now coming to light

[@clungebucket23]

Thank you for including the event date.... This is an important aspect of the context. 😊

[@berlineld]

love these kinda discussions, lot of respect for Lawrence, but to be fair the reason why the lunar module looked like that is because it was just a lander. If your goal is to fly around planets that have an atmosphere and leave again, im guessing you would need, or it would at least be beneficial, if you had an aerodynamic craft. He also talks as if a hugely more advanced species could never figure out workarounds to the physics that confine us, bit unimaginative for a physics prof.

[@adjustedfate]

Thank God, close-minded people like Krauss are a fading breed. He’s came to the end of his rope knowing all he ever will while the Universe keeps opening doors and consciousness for the rest of us with open-minds and common sense. Look at us, how dare we believe “we” are our Creator’s best work?

[@jimbopeebles8210]

I really enjoyed listening to these two talk WITH each other and not AT each other. I found both points of view interesting and fun to listen to as delivered by these two very entertaining and thought provoking gentlemen

[@royalscot4116]

Prof. Krauss may be showing symptoms of an academic's exceptionalism. This condition of the mind seems to manifest outwardly as intellectual arrogance. Inwardly, however, he may be driven by simple human fear. It is a simple human frailty that we are afraid of that which we do not understand. Therefore we deny that it exists.

[@pg9112471]

I really enjoyed proffesor Krauss and Nick Pope having a civilized conversation about this topic. I watched the whole podcast and couldn't believed how well behaved proffesor Krauss was. It is extremely important for skeptics like proffesor Krauss discuss this issue on an open forum like this one.

[@Anon-xd3cf]

Nope. Skeptics who make a career out of this crap are not helping any discussions. Have two scientists with the same training and same ground facts debate an idea... But having this kind of conversation is not moving the progress needle at all.

[@michael-4k4000]

"Smash, Smash, smash!"- Kai the Hitchhiker

[@pg9112471]

@@Anon-xd3cf Yep! Yep! I think skeptics will bring more people that don't care about this subject. Proffesor Krauss is a renowned atheist and a bunch of skeptical minded people follow his debates that will get caught up in the UFO/UAP phenomenon rabbit hole. The more people look at this subject from various perspectives the sooner will get answers. Yes, we'll get wrong answers but this is what skeptics bring to the table they question everything. Critical mass is around the corner, skeptics will be irrelevant once we get past that point.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

@@Anon-xd3cfyou just don’t like it that he’s skeptical. You’re looking for an cosy echo chamber.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Exactly. Nothing worse than echo chambers of agreement.

[@russ3824]

Yeah, Mr Pope was calm, polite, and objective. Mr Kruass, even in opening remarks, was arrogant, judgmental, and dismissive, and made the discussion almost unwatchable. Kudos to Nick for taking the high road, and making it apparent who was the real “scientist” in the stage. Larry should accept that, regardless of topic, something unknown now simply means it remains yet to be known and understood.

[@mathiaskrmmergaard4661]

Good thing Krauss does not work as an engineer😂

[@zoransavio5110]

What ever going on up there will never change nothing in our life's. Never.

[@jayknight139]

it has already changed many lives simply by existing

[@JoeZorzin]

The image- shown twice in the first few minutes- of the boomerang UAP with 7 white lights- that was probably taken during the Phoenix sighting. I saw the identical thing at the Hudson Valley sighting in 1983. It looked about that size- went in a smooth, straight line from W to E. Seen it on the Taconic Parkway. It was seen for many years in that area of southern NY State and into western CT. Some people said it was ultra light planes. No way. Made no sound at all. And, who'd fly an ultra light at nigh close to other ultra lights- all moving in perfect harmony? They would make a racket. The white lights were unblinking. Aren't all planes at night supposed to have blinking colored lights which signal other planes some idea of what your craft is and which way it's moving? I don't know the rules- but I should think unblinking white lights on the underside are not legitimate. As to why a UAP would have lights at all- good question!

[@333dsteele1]

Being opinionated and being a physicist is not the same thing, but there are are a few who are both. There are lots of other physicists who are open minded.

[@stevenevans5106]

Imagine what Nick Pope really knows?

[@richcee18]

Rather than go into a litany of Krauss’s shortcomings or trying to reason with him I’m just going to knock him out cold if I ever see him. I always thought he was a highly intelligent and thoughtful dude, when in fact he forms his opinions around his politics.

[@blackbass4u2c]

I saw the United States Government's Antigravity on August 30th 2023 at 9:10pm on Indiana highway 446. The craft was 40 feet above me moving west to east and it had a slight rotation northward. It is a triangle shaped craft with lights in the corners and center with navigation lights red and green with strobe lights. It is a smooth edges with access panels highlighted similar to the new stealth bomber. It is painted gray with a lighter color accenting the access panels highlighted. it was steady in it's movement like it was sliding down hill with no noise. When it moved by I didn't hear any noise from the craft from inside of my car and it didn't shake a leaf of the trees as it skimmed over them

[@ericvondell5157]

Obviously, thou weren't listening to The PHD here: Humans don't have That kind of technology because it violates the laws of physics. THAT means that Aliens Don't have that Kind Of Technology Either! Like, Dudes! Is that guy Smart, or What?!🤪😻💕🛸

[@blackbass4u2c]

@@ericvondell5157 I know we have some really freaky things as far as technology... And if an alien came to Earth and needed a ride home we have the ability to take them home.

[@blackbass4u2c]

@@ericvondell5157 it had the same color and type of paint job that the United States Government's airplanes use. The access panels highlighted with gray as the main color. The access panels were in the stealth style of technology that the United States Government used on known programs. It had the required red and green lights used in aircrafts flying in the sky. It was a huge craft triangle shaped and flat. It was too flat to have enough lift by heated gas or any other gases to keep it floating around. It didn't have conventional thrust moving it forward because it was skimming the trees and it didn't shake a leaf. It was traveling west to east with a slight rotation northward without changing direction and the front end of the craft didn't have a cutting edge on the front of it. It was constant on it's edge being rounded and slightly concaved on the bottom. It was only 40 feet above my vehicle and I felt no air wash from the massive craft above me... It was a totally solid panel craft and with the amount of weight it was it would have required a lot to keep it aloft it's motion and speed would indicate it was not a blimp or conventional thrust. It's shape would not be a conventional air plane or blimp. I was 40 feet away from it... I got a good look at it

[@MountainStreamLives]

Minute 1: Krause- “I don’t study UFOs.” Minutes 2-15: Me- “I believe you.”

[@NikkiÅlund]

Krauss is just embarissing

[@flashback1209]

The Aliens who are visiting us are not traveling thru space, they are traveling thru dimensions therefore they are not bound to the speed of light.

[@maku5289]

im blown away by the quality of content on this channel. New happy follower.

[@Pangburn]

Welcome! :)

[@frostyp6752]

We are being visited everyday, its like a motorway up there. Wakeup people

[@fantasylive1102]

I believe Krauss places entirely too much importance on the specific argument that they are "not extraterrestrial". Honestly, who cares. That's not the point anymore. Our understanding has evolved passed that. They could be interdimensional or glimpses of our future selves via time travel, both things should at minimum, be considered by the means of there being so many things that are beyond our comprehension when it comes to our "science". Science is just a word we use to consolidate our facts into a bowl and everything outside of that bowl is not fact, until it gets placed in that bowl. These things we are seeing should be studied, extraterrestrial or not. That is the point. We can learn from studying them in ways we probably can't yet comprehend. Then we can place those things in the Science bowl. To dismiss the study of them entirely is irresponsible. We need as many heads as possible on this, I believe. I understand, especially for physicists, that their entire identity are threatened when it comes to interdimensional travel or time travel. It may be hard to let go of that, but we have to.

[@walleviolencia]

Hi. When you write ”them” in that extrapolation, What do you mean by ”them”? Cheers!

[@fantasylive1102]

@@walleviolencia The UAPs and related tech. 👍

[@TheHighlanderprime]

What’s alarming is that his definition of an “alien” event seems to be limited to what’s “extraterrestrial” from another planet. An alien entity could be coming from, another timeline, dimensions and realms that material science is yet to understand.

[@bruceanderson5525]

The enigmatic They are not from interstellar space. Best to cheque the inner realms of your own planet gentlemen.

[@AlienScientist]

I am trying to understand the logic behind picking Nick Pope to represent the UFO side of the physics debate... ?? How much research did you actually do into this topic before you said to yourself "yeah Nick Pope is the best person out there to represent UFO physics in a debate"... LOL.

[@TheHighlanderprime]

This isn’t a physics debate; it’s more about open-mindedness and acceptance of a potential new paradigm … Krause actually sounds very ignorant and incredibly narrow-minded. He’s actually rambling on with scientistic cliches and materialistic arrogance while not making a whole lot of sense.

[@TheFriarEli]

Nick Pope did a good job!

[@joekey8464]

@@TheHighlanderprime well, without a grounded approach, based on real science, this would have been a science fiction talk show. Speculations on aliens, warp speed, teleportation, etc. We already heard all that from Greer and Grusch

[@bademoxy]

it's one thing to provide healthy skepticism , it's another to declare something impossible because OUR technology can't do it. That's arrogance .

[@zoomankat]

The Great Professor Of All There Is To Know.Knows everything about everything except how to adjust his bloody mic/ear piece.

[@RobertHouse101]

Kraus says he doesn't study UAP's which confirms my first thought that he is simply uninformed.

[@geoffreyannesley8593]

Nick Pope seems to be more rational here

[@markstriker925]

But the skeptics have some good points though.

[@pastelle_music]

guys like this are holding humanity back. sheer narcissism

[@Jack-wh7qk]

I feel sorry for Nick for being duped into getting involved with talking with this abnoxious person that calls himself a scientist. He knows where his pay check comes from and wouldn't dare acknowledge aliens or UFOs excisting. I'd love to see how he would respond to seeing and talking to any of the 60 children of the Arial School in Ruwa Zimbbabwe South Africa. These children not only saw aliens up close but also spoke to them by telepathy. These children are now adults and still remember what happened - like it occured months ago. I have personnaly seen a UFO up fairly close back in the 70s, it shook me to the core, something I'll never forget. I kept it to myself in fear of being ostracized by my friends and faimily. I'm not the least bit surprised the media like CNN and a couple of others don't want to cover any of these topics. Do your own research folks, open your eyes to the real truth that's out there.

[@MicheleHerman-kq4ll]

Yea and they are not going to allow it to be released

[@kenc4563]

What a struggle. I finally made it to the end. I'm disappointed with Nick Pope for not expressing fully, his knowledge or opinions. He was too kind. Lawrence Krousse, was doing everything possible to shut down any opposition to his narrative that it was almost comical. Lawrence was so synical and narrow-minded to alternative possibilities that he relagated himself to being the fool. While brilliant and aware, he is a totaly usless sourse of actual possibilities. When the scientist in the audience wanted to share actual science about what is happening, Lawrence shut him down and dominated the conversation as he did in the entire interview. I suspect he s being paid to be the voice of condemnation because with his credentials, he couldn't possibly be that stupid.

[@jayknight139]

wow you took the words out of my mouth and put it much better than I could. he had the audacity to set human-based parameters as to what aliens can and cannot do. he was beyond pompous during this discussion.

[@joekey8464]

What can Pope say, speculate and guess...there is no evidence to speak off. Even Grusch has grounded to a halt, still blaming government conspiracy theories.

[@robertchaffee5662]

I've been a UFOLOGIST since 1974 & have studied the topic from 6K-BC up today. And haven't made a living from it. I have a different occupation and always have. But I know the reality of it. Don't feel so alone or should I say "We're not alone!"

[@indogyrsimdead]

Physicist starts out by saying he tells his students not to use the word believe and then proceeds to say he does not believe in aliens

[@jayknight139]

Krauss was pretty opinionated about UFOs for someone who admits that they don't study them.

[@wojamojo]

The dude in the converse sneakers tends to begin every argument with an insult to someone or some group. A total disingenuous person, and he's also continuously suggesting he's been part of this ir that without suggesting a single receipt.

[@paulk8212]

I could listen to Lawrence all day. So eloquent and knowledgeable. Loved how he dealt with the guy appropriately dressed in the white coat.