🚨 What's Happening At Göbekli Tepe⁉️ An update with Field Director Dr Lee Clare (DAI)

[@FlintDibble]

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[@neitzche1245]

Take the High Road and ignore him instead of hitting back, imo.

[@DiversDesign]

Didnt even notice youtube led me to you channel at first, so let me just say that was a great performance and dressing down with real science and real love for the field on Rogans podcast, mr Dibble, my hat off sir. Very appreciated. This video is great too, finally some real stuff and actual fing evidence and numbers.

[@Nylon_riot]

Shout out to the archeologists who do the tedious, diligent, unsung work with incredible patience, like spending two summers just collecting seeds. Everyone looks for the results, but don't give enough credit for the detailed painstaking work it takes to get those results.

[@FlintDibble]

Hear hear!

[@christophermonahan8571]

@@Nylon_riot I'm with you dawg, blessed are the mud sifters, our knowledge is built off many dusty hands 👐

[@bilgyno1]

It's a lot like mountaineering... The Sherpas carry the loads, point the way and take care of the details, but the Western expedition leaders (in archaeology the big Professors) get to go on National Geographic...

[@rhettlee]

@@Nylon_riot facts

[@rufioswitch2132]

But what about the guys who make up stories about ancient civilisations, and make millions of dollars selling books and talking nonsense on Joe Rogan podcast?!

[@Beegee-gz8zr]

This all makes so much sense. I read that they weren't doing any additional excavation for 20 years because some big company wanted to control the site. Thank you for clearing that all up.

[@JonnoPlays]

I'm so glad I finally broke away from the alternative history channels and the algorithm is finally showing me quality content like this. Cheers, I'm new and I subscribed 🥂

[@Pirrata123]

Me too! 👍🏼

[@FlintDibble]

Thanks Jonno!

[@johnnybradata6847]

You went from one extreme to the other. Truth is somewhere in the middle.

[@FlintDibble]

@@johnnybradata6847 nah man, truth is grounded in evidence

[@monster0_0]

​@@FlintDibbleSo the Earth is flat then right? Because that's where the evidence points

[@Redbeard441]

This is the first Göbekli Tepe KZbin video that makes me feel like I actually learned something

[@HarrellB_US]

Have you not watched history time? He’s got an over 2 hr documentary on it as well. It’s the best one I’ve seen yet

[@nysunflower9439]

Thank you so much for this interview. I’ve been fascinated by this site or years. Thank you Dr. Clare for all your work and all this info. The most interesting fact of this interview is that no pot shards have been found.

[@BestFitSquareChannel]

Superb conversation! Breathtaking. Thank you Dr. Clare. Thank you Turkey! Thank you funders and all who make this remarkable, astounding study possible. Best wishes. 🌞

[@psicologamarcelacollado5863]

Thank you SO MUCH! I have wanted an update on what is going on over there for a long time, and you went straight to the right source.

[@alejandrafolgarait2849]

thank you for this interesting interview and all the context added by you, Flint.

[@filososabke]

So interesting to hear the site being placed in time. We do tend to image them building what we see and then keeping it that way. But of course a living site over that timespan would have changed a lot. Keep up the good work.

[@FlintDibble]

This is a really important point and one that is very difficult for archaeologists to convey to the general public. We typically conserve and present a monument as a monolithic entity For example, It's easier to understand the Parthenon as a Classical temple. But of course it was also a church, a mosque, and the keep of a castle. But it's not possible to present all of those at the same time and have them be intelligible Point is that all of archaeology is similarly dynamic! Not just a puzzle in 3D but in four dimensions

[@rebeccakeim5366]

A great update about a fascinating site. It’s always so interesting to hear an overview of what the latest excavations have found. Many thanks.

[@MadeUpThings]

Thank you for this interview as I tried to find some credible sources after watching Bright insights video. Later I went back and commented on his video with a link to this interview I immediately got shadow banned 😂😂

[@Eyes_Open]

Always funny to see that the scammers complain about censorship and routinely block others.

[@FlintDibble]

hahahaha

[@jjasper7512]

The difference between this channel and the one that banned you is that this channel deals in facts and real science in a really accessible format even I can grasp and er the other does not!

[@hamburgler227]

Wow! That was fantastic. Dr Lee is super articulate and informative. Y’all really delved into that in a way that brought it to life and made the context and implications of the site so much clearer.👏🙏

[@Whichbindoesthisgoin]

I love the fact that this was only discovered, recognised & excavated now means we are getting so much more information than if it was worked 100 yrs ago

[@WillGowKelowna]

Great to see a straight forward discussion on the findings so far without wild speculation.On my travel list

[@corawoolsey3654]

Showing this to my class! Such exciting stuff! Thank you for this amazingly informative video. More like this please!

[@RolfStones]

Great interview! Thanks Flint!

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

Good stuff from BOTH of you guys. Thanks for ALL of the information.

[@mythosboy]

Fantastic interview. The second one I've seen with Dr Clare : very impressive. Thanks again.

[@margmusg]

I love this. Thanks for giving us an opportunity to hear from the people actually working there!

[@taylorw]

Glad to have such experienced assessments of this astonishing site. Is there information on what the landscape was like at the beginning of the construction?. Was the land forested? Rivers and streams nearby? Congrats on your approach to this.

[@taylorw]

And at 1:12 comes answer! Lightly forested, wetter climate. 😊

[@michaeltette7869]

Do we have evidence of where these folks went during the winter months? Do we have any idea how they lifted the stones? Were there roofs over these structures? And what were they made from? Very great information.

[@jeffknetzer856]

Of course we don’t, they haven’t even figured out how Stonehenge was constructed. That’s a larger, deeper question than you’ll ever get an answer to from this crowd.

[@Karsjk]

@@jeffknetzer856 kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2bTi2qrh5upbsUsi=atWUaIXOMmt1zLTA

[@ianmarshall9144]

@@jeffknetzer856 however they did it , they aren't around anymore to tell us , but its nothing more than mind and muscle .

[@DavidScott-hi4fz]

Around 48:15 they talk about evidence of wooden beams being over the structure. Current thinking is they had roofs.

[@30.06onaGrassyKnoll]

​@jeffknetzer856 they have theories of how they did Stonehenge, but obviously, there is no evidence to support much. I preferred theory is good old fashioned elbow grease and determination of a bunch of men. They could've used rope and log rollers or a lever and fulcrum to slowly move them. Extreme boredom paired with testosterone can result in crazy outcomes. Imo, denying hardwork from motivated people is being shortsighted on the abilities of mankind.

[@Eyes_Open]

I hope you received authorization for this video from Jimmy Corsetti.

[@FlintDibble]

Dang, i knew I forgot something

[@JonnoPlays]

😂 👌

[@SmokinJokin40]

Big hall monitor energy.

[@Eyes_Open]

@@MelvinCruz You are spreading false information. Jimmy would be so proud.

[@FlintDibble]

​@@MelvinCruzno. They are on site, excavating right now. Dr Clare describes what their excavation goals are this season in the video

[@gustavderkits8433]

Two thumbs up! Very thorough discussion of the recent work. 😊

[@corrugatedcavalier5266]

Great stuff! I find this fascinating and really appreciate the close look and explanation of current hypotheses.

[@ArchaeologyTube]

These interviews are so great, Flint. Nothing beats the lies more than hearing from the actual archaeologists working at these incredible sites.

[@ArchaeologyTube]

@@joeconnolly89 yeah I’d go with the word of a conspiracy theory KZbinr rather than a guy who works at the site.

[@justXcallXitXtechno]

@@ArchaeologyTube I bet you're the kinda guy who'd still and blindly believe so-called, and exremely independent "health experts". :D it's kinda funny that certain very well supported, and comfortably agreeable groups have the audacity to accuse people with democratically, empirically or just genuinely legitimate questions as liars and having to resort to agression, diffamation, intimidation, insults over at least somewhat maturely discussing actual topics and facts. name-calling, throwing a tantrum and throwing around some sad, desperate little "ct" into those childish school-yard insecurities. -> especially after the very last few years. you mentioned something about lies, right? how do those pittyful, pesky and superficial, little "ct insults" work exactly, when most if not all ct's have become bitter-sweet facts and realities. I mean that's as if I genuinely and unironically called you autonomous or smart. it bares any logic, no? you do realize the retroactive facts related to all rigid, static and very controlled, biased fields have lead to an immense loss in any sort of institutional credibility or reputation. no? the hollow, superficial often ridiculously artificial and controlled concoctions are finally crumbling. and rightfully so. it will be harder and harder to hide behind bought, or rather "paid" (?) little titles and fancy little hats and uniforms. :D tell us some more about lies, especially in msm, academia and many supposed "empitic" processes, institutions. after all, they are all so smart and powerful, influential. surely more so than some random "ct youtubers", right. how about we start there?

[@johnwalker1553]

​@@ArchaeologyTube Prof. Dr. Klaus Schmidt?

[@ArchaeologyTube]

@@johnwalker1553 what about him?

[@johnwalker1553]

@@ArchaeologyTube He had a long conversation with Graham Hancock. And then your kind bit him out.

[@lingerslongest]

Came here from Ancient Architects channel. Some great answers from Flint in the comments section here ...

[@seanbeadles7421]

Great interview, excited to watch the whole thing. One thing confuses me at 4:22 though, my archaeology experience is entirely americanist. But hearing that archaeologists didn’t expect monumental architecture/landscape modification from Hunter gatherers seems odd, because places like Poverty Point and the numerous Adena mounds were created by foragers.

[@FlintDibble]

I think it's mostly a question of scale and the excellent preservation. Because there is earlier architecture in the region.

[@simonw124]

I love this video. I find the site endlessly fascinating and look forward to hearing about what is discovered in coming seasons. I just dread what pseudoarchaeological content will now flood my algorithm

[@scottzema3103]

In fact the handbag pillar may be the oldest depiction of a landscape in history(?). Looks further like gardens next to the houses, but what is striking for me are the depictions of various animals above the houses indicating possible clans or families with animal totems, identifying these people, perhaps, as patrons of the structure. The landscape seems to center on a vulture egg; perhaps a symbol of mythological origins or origins in general.

[@freefall9832]

Real archeology! Thanks and subbed

[@Shoey77100]

Thanks for this, so glad to have all this new information. Schmidt was wrong about some things because he didn't have all the data but his basic idea that religion had an important and indispensable role both at this site and the implications that has in regards to the rise of civilization in general are still valid.

[@Dan-pv5oq]

Dr. Lee Clare is a wonderful spokesman for Gobekli Tepe. Just a great interview.

[@RandallDibble]

Thx Cus, for bringing this video to US !

[@FlintDibble]

anytime cuz

[@manuellubian5709]

(Former EM lab worker here) When it was mentioned in the video that there's no sign of any so-called "living quarters" or any evidence of people using that area and space for basic living conditions however, there's plenty of evidence regarding food processing or food production so to speak....... my first thought went to something like a communal 'kitchen' or a communal (open to everyone) food processing area. This would be, much like what we in America would call having a 'dry kitchen' or a 'dry sink' condition where instead of there being any of the attached utilities like for water, electricity and maybe A/ C this area is just for the processing and preparation of, food. Nothing else. To continue, I'm further thinking that perhaps Gobekli Tekli, was a place that was open to ALL the villagers and anybody could just come. Prepare their food for cooking or for whatever means of consumption they prefer. Then, once the food was processed they take it home to eat. Another alternative could be that perhaps still thinking along the lines of something communal...... perhaps it was used in the same vein as let's say the communal village baker where people in the village could bring their unprocessed grains, or other food products and the baker or miller would further, process / or bake it, for them. Once the task was completed the grain owner or villager could then, pick it up at a later time.

[@michaelzumpano7318]

Is there any evidence of ancient local streams where they may have practiced aquaculture? The edge of one pillar looks like a stream with crawdads and eels (which are a great source of fat). It looks like there are weirs (H’s) in between the species to isolate them from competing with each other. It also looks like the stream was bounded by reed walls that could have been woven to keep small animals from pilfering the fish at night. There is what looks like a dead boar on the pillar. A dead carcass may not be edible for humans but would have been great for feeding eels. I wonder if aquaculture may have preceded farming and animal husbandry for these inhabitants 11,000 years ago.

[@PopsSports]

Information provided by Mr Lee Clare was amazing thank you! Keep up the great work. We appreciate your willingness to hear differences of belief by locals and visitors, than what is concluded from your formal findings. Mr Dibble, please try to dial back your spite for other or informal findings. It seeps out of every word you speak. Everyone is entitled to have opinions and theories.

[@MarvinMonroe]

Its long been know that hunter-gatherers have more free time than farmers so thar all makes perfect sense. As long as there was enough stuff to hunt and gather the number of people required

[@ktloz2246]

Another way is by having groups of hunters and gathers, where one group would go hunting for a month then the next month the other group goes out. That way one group is home for a month and with time on their hands can make a big hall where they can party and feast .

[@MarvinMonroe]

@@ktloz2246 definitely

[@MrZurbagiu]

hello, Flint! new subscriber here. i have watched several of your videos, and so far i think this is one of my favourite. i have watched and listened to probably hundreds of hours of videos and podcasts on archeology, but this is the first time i hear the process of excavation and analysis of the finds put in such clear and simple terms. ive had a vague notion of how archeologists go about it, but what i lacked was the sense of like... current view on the method and approach to it. so thank you for putting in these intro segments in the video that go so great along with the wonderful interview with the expert. this is gonna be my go-to Göbekli Tepe video to recommend to people who want a clear understanding of how this site (and sites in general) are approached

[@kingunclesirmatty2676]

Brilliantly informative

[@Cali-Sandy-RN]

But at the same time , VERY UNINFORMATIVE‼️👽

[@bgw33]

Kudos Flint. Great interview. Dr. Clare is super guest.

[@texanfilms]

So great to hear the latest from this amazing site!

[@alexanderwilliam8480]

Really appreciate all of the work and research here Flint and Clare. So stoked to be able to get a window through time with this research. I have one positive criticism, dont belittle other "fringe theories" Credit to the both of you, but I believe the animosity is just pointless and gets in the way of the work. At the end of the day, we know what we know through a long process of discussion, reviewing and..for lack of a better phrase...time. You both do stella work. Fact. Unfortunately, together nor alone, no specialist in the respective field would have a silver bullet answer. As a specialist, your job is to bring your master knowledge to the table and collaborate with others to get a clearer picture of our past. My hunch is this.....Be kind to each other, Listen a lot and use all your tools to respond to things that fit what you have found. dont attack. Debunk it, and yes Flint, that is possible. Dont worry about "disproving" things that people like Graham Hancock say, the work that you have put into this video is far more powerful. At the end of the day, we really have very little idea of what Life" looked like 11 thousands years ago......we get hints here and there...but that's it. so in short....we have a lot more to learn. You dont need to agree, but use each other for shit sake! Much love from Aotearoa/New Zealand.

[@freefall9832]

The 2 fringe guys I am thinking of don't give respect to real archeology, so they deserve and get no respect.

[@alexanderwilliam8480]

@freefall9832 I couldn't agree more with you on that point. Especially with Graham's Netflix show.....It's a waste of time and energy spent on lashing out at "the world of archaeology"... He could've put that effort into fleshing out his story, a continuation of behaviour fhen clearly seen on Joe Rogan, where Flint did a fantastic job and has received a genuine win from that effort he put it. It's a waste of time for both sides is my hunch. Debate it out more often, Agree to disagree and keep it above board. Flint shouldn't be the ONLY one that's been able to have a platform as wide as JR...Let's get Flint up there again (if he's keen!?) And other Flints out there that can debunk differing theories of ancient history. Time shall tell 👀

[@dlcoupe]

Awesome work. Thought provoking and fun. I have wondered about the butchering of animals in dense populations. Dead and rotting corpses attract flies, rats, vultures, not to mention the stench of the decay. I would think the stinky meat processing off and away. Grains and seeds are brilliant foods to process in groups of singing and chanting, festive work. Rats and mice are kept in check by foxes and cats.

[@Adoubless]

Nature ❤

[@FlintDibble]

Not sure what the skeletal reports say. One way to check that is if there are fewer low meat parts, like feet, as they'd be discarded where slaughter and butcher happens and not schlepped in with the meat

[@keithmerchant8035]

I love the subtle dig at a certain pseudo archeologist. Are we gonna see you solo on JRE?

[@massford2767]

The😮 pseudo-archeologists provide an interesting alternative to established narratives from the main stream but tightly controlled archeological establishment. Dr. Clare acknowledges the different viewpoints. So should you. Its called the diversity of humanity. Data, like statistics, can have different interpretations.

[@fightshrub8872]

@@massford2767 Who says they do not?

[@willmosse3684]

@@massford2767There’s diverse view points. And there’s peddling obvious nonsense.

[@brendonleary]

@@bserieshatch1 All the knowledge that Graham Handcock cherry-picks from and postulates his hypotheses from is knowledge gained from the hard work and study of archaeologists. Handcock rides on the coat tails of archaeologists, not the other way round. With archaeology to cherry-pick from, Handcock's work would be seen as nothing but fiction.

[@s8ntdeer]

No way Rogan has him on alone. He was too much of a dickhead during the whole interview and the national accusations just put it to rest. First impression to the masses went terribly wrong

[@fullmetaljackalope8408]

This was so interesting flint! Thank you! I learned so much. ❤

[@wendyhill4757]

Finally a really great interview about this site. I instantly subscribed.

[@Cali-Sandy-RN]

It’s BS Wendy‼️. Your being fed a bunch of Lies!!!

[@christianbrandel7437]

@@Cali-Sandy-RN You are not a liar, I can tell! People that use the word lie in every other sentence basically reveal a lot about themselves...

[@jonerlandson1956]

how does Dr. Clare feel about the theory the site was intentionally buried?...

[@FlintDibble]

We doscuss the evidence in the interview. It was not intentionally buried but filled in by natural slope erosion over time (even while still in use)

[@DogWalkerBill]

I am reminded of the site of Troy that was plundered by Heinrich Schliemann in the 1800's losing much history and despoiling the site for future archeologists. There is so much more we might have learned from that site. And it would have made a marvelous tourist attraction too!

[@emixmim]

I'm going in December, looking forward to visiting the site.

[@Pompeius_Strabo]

Thanks, great as always Dr. Dibble

[@erniemajor]

The skilled art work is intriguing because you cannot be doing that and also pounding grain and chasing gazelles all day. Their constructions are not enigmatic monoliths but a kind of visual poetry. It would have been wonderful to be able to sit and chat with these ancestral people.

[@amygrein507]

Just like today there were artists, people they employed to do these sculptures. At this point I'm sure not everyone in the population is concerned with gathering food if they had the ability to plan out and execute the construction of this site. 💚

[@robswright68]

Awesome video. You got 8,000 views, 120 comments and +200 subs in just 10 hours! You'll get to 100K subs in no time with great interviews like this. What a difference in quality information we get from you compared to the alternative channels. Graham Hancock tells us that everything is a mystery and Bright Insight cries like a baby to dig faster.

[@mjsphonefreefriday3994]

Sure would be nice to have a time machine 😜

[@archaeologyape3695]

@@MelvinCruz UnchartedX sure can investigate a bag of chips

[@MossyMozart]

@@MelvinCruz - You are living a misguided youth. One day you will wake up and kick yourself for falling for the Hancovkian garbage. And he does ZERO investigation - no digging, no analyzing, no peer-reviewed papers published.

[@DudleyFerguson]

@@MelvinCruz UnchartedX does do more investigation in the refrigerator

[@mjsphonefreefriday3994]

@@DudleyFerguson he looks a lot thinner recently. Maybe he hiked the Inca road? I never realized that road is 36,000 miles!! That is mind blowing all by itself! Puma Punku and the H blocks are one I would love to be solved.

[@bassplayersayer]

Does the wild grass they harvested still grow there? I wonder what it tastes like.

[@bnope5t]

No, because the aliens taught them how to make mana with laser beams

[@a.karley4672]

Humans can't digest grass (well, they don't get much out of it, compared to ruminants). But we can eat grass _seeds_ - which is what wheat, maize, rice, barley all are.

[@freefall9832]

I have some stone age wheat seeds lying around. I bought it from a seed bank nursery years ago.

[@helenamcginty4920]

I like calling the large buildings 'special buildings'. They might have been highly decorated general meeting places. Cool in the heat of summer. In the UK we have buildings with more than one function, church halls where play groups, guides and scouts etc had meetings. Bring and buy and jumble sales, meeting rooms in public libraries, etc. Different cultures will have similar resources Im sure. Back in the UK I was one of the hundreds going to evening classes using local secondary schools. From silversmithing to matgematics, history to modern languages..... We and they are the same so calling these buildings temples limits how we might think of our ancestors.

[@-0909]

How any conclusions can be made until the whole hill is excavated is beyond me. There’s so much more to be learned!

[@Eyes_Open]

Pompeii is still being excavated? Do you expect any earth shattering results from that site?

[@-0909]

@@Eyes_Open yes! as soon as they go deeper.

[@Eyes_Open]

@@-0909 Why doesn't someone tell the experts to dig deeper? It is so obvious. Why did they not think about that strategy?

[@garafanvou6586]

The carbon dating of the top layer shows that those complexes were inhabited over thousands of years in different periods. Farther digging will reveal further dates of habitation in those buried complexes. Also, the nearby quarry site shows that peoples were carving the ground for stones, pottery, and detecting natural cisterns.

[@Eyes_Open]

You have a belief that experts are to simple minded to dig deeper. Good for you.

[@joangordoneieio]

TY so much! Been fascinated by archaeology since building mud villages when I was 11 !

[@TheMDJ2000]

Thanks Flint, this is absolutely fascinating.

[@Enkibebidas]

Excellent interview, I am fascinated by Gobekli Tepe, I am very interested in investigating the origin of alcoholic beverages and the oldest ones were made in G.Tepe and the Raqefet Cave. I read the studies by Dr. Laura Dietrich and Li Liu.

[@hatfullofsky2470]

were these hunter gatherers living in villages the ones that built these structures then? was food so plentiful that they didnt need everyone to hunt and gather resources?

[@ktloz2246]

This could be solved by having groups of hunters and gathers, where one group would go hunting for a month then the next month the other group goes out. That way one group is home for a month and with time on their hands can make a big hall where they can party and feast .

[@Ukoter3]

Great interview. Good to see something like this come out in the public seeing there are way to many conspiracy theorists using misinformation to create a buck for themselves. How many people are currently in the archaeological team excavating there? How do international post-grad students get involved at a site like this if you are outside Germany/Turkey? Is there possibilities for MA/Hons/PhD projects to be undertaken at this site? How/Where do you apply if so? I have nearly finished my masters in Australia and it would unbelievable to be able to do a PhD at this site!

[@FlintDibble]

I do not have an answer for that! Perhaps send an email to Dr Clare? Good luck on your journey and education!

[@tw9472]

I am plant geneticist and I am really wonder what criteria are being used to determine that grains are not being domesticated? Grains morphology different from the modern doesn't mean they were not domesticated, they might have been domesticated (grown on purpose) but still retail characterisctic/morphology of the wild. The fact that you grow wild forms in larger density, monoculture significantly increases food supply enabling settlement.

[@FlintDibble]

If you're a plant geneticist, then you should have access to archaeobotanical journals that discuss this information and the change in morphology of the rachis in most domesticated grains and legumes, and why it's the morphology of the rachis that is impacted by the selection pressure of simply planting a crop You'd also, I would think, be familiar with the ancient DNA research on this same topic. Two different genes, for example, impact this change in morphology in wheat. A quick search should help answer this question if you're familiar with scholarly research

[@FlintDibble]

Sorry about the snark in the reply. Too many conspiracy people responding, brain is frazzled. But basic info is the same. The way the rachis attaches to the glume or seed is the major first change we see that indicates domestication of most grains and legumes. It's fairly well studied and dated, though of course there's much more to study with regards to aDNA and plant morphology and domestication, as well as pre-agruculture gathering and it's impact on plants

[@tw9472]

@@FlintDibble Thanks for the replay - don't worry - I know people like you get lots of crap. btw, one of the best if not the best podcast about Gobekli Tepe - straignt from the source. I can see, traits like that are almost immedietelly fixed for the following generations, but alternatively grains can be harvested before they shed the seeds to save them from birds etc. For legumes opening the pods and pods attachment may be the key trait not the seed attachment and intact pods unlikely survived that long to be examined. From our current perspective harvesting wheat is collecting the mass of ears from big field, drying them and threshing but the first domestication might simply involve garthering from locations enriched by humn in particular species by removing other plants or sawing - so the transition period might have taken a while. Whare I am getting with this is that communities might have benefited brom agricultural practices before clear domastication traits in crops can bee seen.

[@FlintDibble]

@tw9472 yes to all. And yup, it's pod attachment not seed attachment for legumes There's a bunch of research exactly on this topic as archaeologists now collect plant remains more regularly (flotation is a laborious undertaking requiring lots of specialist labor and time). Pre domestication traits are those that relate to various cultivation activities over wild strands (eg, enriching soil as you mention). I think they are observed going back to 20k or so years ago for wheat and also rice. There was a recent Nature article.on this for rice. But they're different than the eventual transition towards a tough attachment for seed or pod, which seem to be the clearest indication for human control over the entire reproductive cycle of the plant, from harvesting to planting. And shows up for pretty much all these various species.

[@FlintDibble]

Oh, and just a note, it's a gradual shift after these changes for several thousand years towards the increase in seed size that wr think of with domesticated crops (also other changes like the move towards free threshing wheat rather than glume wheat)

[@acfanter]

The PreHistory Guys are also decent… I wish I had seen this weekend you did!!

[@brian_belanger]

The T pillars seem like perfect platforms for excarnation. They are tall enough to prevent the lions and other scavengers from jumping onto them to devour the body, and the tops are just the right size to put a body on. A place where vultures would be the ones doing most of the eating. It would make sense that the place where the bodies were placed would be an important ceremonial site. Could the T pillars be excarnation platforms?

[@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks]

Jimmy from Dim Insight told me that the excavation is so slow at the direction of the WEF to keep the Stargate hidden. You've provided an interesting alternative explanation.

[@FlintDibble]

It's important to explore alternative ideas

[@karenabrams8986]

😂😂😂

[@natalierichter2637]

Bet they're hiding dinosaur carvings. Wef bad ppl

[@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks]

@boneleg6952 the joke flew so high over your head it left our atmosphere

[@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks]

I'm confused about wheat being harvested in the spring? Wild wheat would be mature by then?

[@FlintDibble]

Yup, in that region of the world with warm winters and dry summers, even wheat crops are typically planted before winter for late spring/early summer harvest

[@CarlHardwick00]

​@@FlintDibble what differentiates domesticated wheats from wild wheats? Are not all wheats wild until being domesticated? Could they use different wheat strains together for farming? Not saying I don't believe it, just wondering what the difference is.

[@FlintDibble]

​@CarlHardwick00 that takes a long answer. I described exactly what you're asking while on Joe Rogan. I think around hour 3 of the conversation. Check it out

[@itsnot_stupid_ifitworks]

@@CarlHardwick00 short answer is how easily the seeds fall off the stalk

[@Historian212]

The traditional wheat harvest holidays in the Middle East are in the spring. Find a proper agricultural discussion of the ancient Jewish Passover-to-Shavuot cycle, with the time in between carefully counted so that the wheat harvest celebration takes place at or very near Shavuot (what Christians call Pentecost). These began as agricultural spring rituals of the region.

[@lg9586]

Thank you flint . The audio visual and formatting of this is very good. You're getting to be a podcast pro . Appreciated

[@FlintDibble]

Thanks lg. to nbasterd: would you rather me chat with leading archaeologists about cutting edge research at cool sites or would you prefer me to focus on my webcam? feel free to drop me a superthanks to contribute towards a better one if that's what it takes to get you interested in real archaeological conversations. otherwise, chill out. i'll upgrade when i can.

[@hatfullofsky2470]

ot was thought that the amazon and australia were natural and wild habitat however, is it not now understood that the indigenous people actually managed the flora and fauna on a verr large scale. might the same sort of thing have been happpening in golbekli tepe? explaining the lack of domestication markers?

[@FlintDibble]

The people of Gobekli Tepe were sophisticated hunter gatherers, much like hunter gatherers in Australia, Amazon, and elsewhere

[@eustachiouslong5225]

I had a thought that the arc story might have come from gobekli Tepe with all the animals and it’s connections with the younger dryas

[@stefanorbost9340]

May I congratulate you to a very current presentation! Especially opening our eyes to all these different perspectives-the evolution of archeology and it’s meaning to present,past and future cultural streams! It’s a delight for me personally to be so very much stimulated! Best wishes to you and all of your colleagues and loved ones 💦🐑🕊️🎶🙏🙏🙏

[@NoIce33]

Come to think of it, having such an amazing specialist (and wonderful person) in my office talking 80 minutes about his research would be pure privilege, if not for the fact that this is freely available to everyone interested.

[@joshcfc606]

Flint, just the absolute best at giving the people real information.. keep it up my man!

[@FlintDibble]

Thanks Josh!

[@corawoolsey3654]

Thanks!

[@FlintDibble]

Thanks so much Cora!

[@styx1272]

Maybe the pillars represent clan linages, with their totem animals. So these sites could be places where tribes and clans could be unified through ceremonial meetings And where disputes between clans and tribes could be adjudicated and where verdicts could be cast in stone As a record of legal proclamations so that pressure could be brought to bare on those who sort to renege on agreements.

[@hulamei3117]

Ideas

[@a.karley4672]

@@hulamei3117 Which would leave *what* which would be detectable in the archaeological record? Remember, this is 4000+ years before the invention of writing, a thousand or more km from this site.

[@waynemyers2469]

I'm no archaeologist and yet this theory has a lot to recommend it, I wonder if it's occurred to the researchers? It's very common for nomads and hunter-gatherers and other primitive people to gather once a year for the purpose of settling disputes, finding mates outside their genetic pool and establishing trade. I think it's a great line of inquiry.

[@a.karley4672]

@@waynemyers2469 That would be on the floor of Q+A sessions at conferences, after presentations, and in seminars and meetings within the department. I'd be astonished if the question hasn't been flogged to death. But it'd probably only make it to *publication* when someone had found a "something" in a dig (or in a dig's conserved relics) which would shed light on this question. Hence my earlier question of "what *evidence* would this leave that would be detectable in the archaeological record?" Without evidence, it's speculation, not science.

[@waynemyers2469]

@@a.karley4672 Okay, I just thought it more likely than other theories I've heard. Incidentally, If you need evidence, wouldn't Gobekli Tepe BE the evidence you're talking about: A large gathering-place for social functions among hunter-gatherers?

[@RBodge1234]

Might I suggest that rather than leave archeological sites to be explained by random KZbinrs giving their narrative, that the site get ahead of rumors and innuendo by producing an official website and KZbin.

[@Daithi24]

There is an official website already set up by UNESCO but I don't know if the Turkish government have any inclination to set up their own. Maintaining a KZbin channel also requires skilled social media people. The people working there right now likely have enough on their plates. Plus even if there was an official channel it wouldn't stop the rumours and innuendo.

[@xAntoIRL]

Didn't know you made content looking forward to watching a few videos here

[@FlintDibble]

thanks!

[@stinkees696]

Hi Flint, I look forward to every revelation from this site. From the blocks and figures carved on them, to the animals and plants they ate. 11,000 years ago (or thereabouts) they were living large. Great info, thanks

[@InsertHandleHere968]

So these people were hunter gatherers but less mobile and (from what I’m understanding) lived largely at these sites. But few or no bodies are buried there. Do we have any idea what they did with their dead? What was the environment like back then? Was it greener? Colder? Without pottery how did they boil the grains? Was bread already a thing at that point? I’m only 30 minutes into the video so if these are answered already ignore me please 😂 Great video! ❤

[@daddyrabbit4u2c55]

I think its where skinning methods, tanning methods, textiles, farming, cooking and so on were passed from tribe to tribe until their gathering became covilization.

[@FlintDibble]

nah, we have evidence for skinning, tanning, textiles, and cooking well before Gobekli Tepe. All were used by humans in an expert fashion for over ten thousand years before this site. Farming developed around the same time as Gobekli Tepe, but not at Gobekli Tepe itself Gobekli Tepe is a cool example of an alternative to farming. Successful, intensive hunting gathering in a productive environment. And a society that marked itself in some pretty dang cool monumental construction

[@a.karley4672]

@@FlintDibble "evidence for [...] textiles, and cooking well before Gobekli Tepe" Wasn't there a report, about a year ago, of a Neanderthal burial with s woven fabric item in it? Which would be 20+ ka before Göbekli Tepe. And also about a year ago, an Italian find of a "quern" stone (with attached smashed starch grains) under the Campanian Ignimbrite - dating to some 38 kA BP, so also well over 20 ka before Göbekli Tepe. Just some "for instance" points that human history was working towards farming and "civilization" for a very long time.

[@RBodge1234]

I really appreciate the thorough explanation of the happening of the excavation. I previously was incensed when I heard statements that they were not excavating large portions of the site. I thought "why,?"would they do this. Now I better understand.

[@DavidScott-hi4fz]

So great, hopefully this can be a regular thing, and can also check in with Karahan Tepe too. This deserves so many more hits than unchartedx

[@chelseagrooms-perez2316]

I think that Oxford was built in (I think I'm remembering correctly) 1065, which means that in a scant 41 years, Oxford will have been in use for 1,000 years. That's the coolest modern example I could think of for a structure like gobekli tepe

[@Hatin.ontonio]

I just hope no one starts a crazy fake story line i just want to know our peoples true history all of human kind so we can proceed with the future better 🙏🏾

[@MossyMozart]

@Hatin.ontonio - Reality is so much more exciting than fictitious "alternative" tall tales. Life is too short to waste a moment on that stuff.

[@Hatin.ontonio]

@@MossyMozart not only that we need to understand our past mistakes and be sure not to make them in the future look at all the civilizations at collapse world wide through history our presidental governmental whatever the fuck systems are horrible nothing works you get one candidate for 2 years hate them want someone else happens with every president think wed learn sum considering how “superior” we are 🤦‍♂️

[@Jaksi-a]

And also, of they are hiding anything about or on the site, he still wouldn't say anything else than "we're not hiding anything.

[@FlintDibble]

Um, you do realize they've published a huge amount publicly and freely accessible for all interested in Gobekli Tepe If you truly care about the site, why not go read more about it (great pictures too) www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/

[@andrewstehlik3917]

Just to remind us, that veneration of the relics (usually parts of bodies of the saints) is an integral part of popular Roman Catholic religiosity until now!

[@helenamcginty4920]

It is still very popular in some parts of the world I think. When I was 7, so 1954, our class teacher, an Irish nun, told us that we didnt have to believe in any relics. I think it was she who told us that if all the relics of the true cross were collected there would be 300 crosses. I think the Turin shroud was in the news at the time. To be a Roman Catholic there are only 6 dogmas you need to believe. Like the transubstantiation of the host at the moment of consecration. Needless to say I never believed in any relic after that.

[@JamesHarder620]

Great content; thanks for sharing

[@ktloz2246]

Think simple, the place was probably a get together hall where people had a feast, a feast of Pork. Probably a place to eat, drink, dance and have a good time. Symbols can mean anything anyone or society wants to believe. H may mean the Hittite people.

[@0thepyat0]

Why is hierarchy seen as advancement? It seems to me to be an indication of a culture's deterioration.

[@forestray3724]

What?

[@lastofmygeneration]

@@0thepyat0 look up division of labor in society.

[@MrBigdaddy2ya]

So disorder brings degradation. Not sure your thinking is logical.

[@CecilLaramie-uo4kn]

It doesn't refer to advancement/progress in a moral sense, but in a developmental sense (societal structure going from less to more complex)

[@giftothegab24]

Advancement as defined as going from hunter/gatherer to agriculture (as understood by Western ideology), to village, to city states, to civilisations has always smacked of Social Darwinism (which promoted debunked race theory). The argument that this progression involved increasing social complexity is a value laden concept by those who don't understand that hunter gatherer society can be extremely complex. I am Aboriginal and many non-Aboriginal people can't wrap their heads around our social system. People outside my culture have to create complex charts to get it all straight and still get it wrong. Our kinship system is divided and sub divided to create specific reciprocal responsibilities and obligations to each other, to our land management, economy and religion. Some people, places, foods, animals are taboo to each other, others involve highly active involvement and interaction, depending on the type and degree of relationship. People still get judgey judgey because we built no cities or massive monuments, they don't realise it was a choice. An anthropologist once informed me that had we been colonised even 200 years later we would have progressed from hunter/gather to settlement and heirarchy. He did not understand that we did in fact have permanent settlements which we utilised seasonally and that we were were farming, but we worked with the country not in Dominion over it. We nurtured and encouraged wild foods, grasses which we harvested edible seeds from, as well as animals. We grew food trees and plants on our refuse mounds and made sure to never take too much. Before colonisation there were 100's of different grasses in Australia, many of which could be harvested, and which are now extinct. Likewise we still keep the Dreaming and knowledge of a species of taro that was also destroyed by colonisation and destructive, foreign agricultural practices unsuited to the country. My culture had regular interaction with Island and Asian cultures that focused on material culture, possession and advancement of same. We deliberately chose not to focus on material gain, it is all about keeping the balance in ourselves, with each other and in nature. Traditionally anyone who covetted or gathered too many possessions was considered a low -life. Cultural bias and ignorance fuels the misunderstanding about hunter gather societies. We very successfully and happily with far more freedoms than today thrived in a harsh country for over 70 000 years. We too carved out rock shelters with pillars, had stone huts, made canals and stone circles, but it was done in accordance with our laws regarding land management. We can never with any certainty know what the people at Gobekli Tepi were thinking. Their world view was probably very different and possibly hard to relate to by today's standards. Maybe like us they didn't need or want to supposedly advance. The site being deliberately buried tells us there was a significant transformation in their culture, through a change in ideology or through invasion. I agree domineering hierarchical societies are not particularly great especially if you have lived experience of other world views.

[@rufioswitch2132]

Great interview, thank you!

[@joeblowfromidaho3642]

Really detailed on the conservation, right down to tuckpointing the walls. Impressive.

[@Potkanka]

Thanks for the video, it's great to hear some explnations about what is happening there and how much work there is to it apart from the "digging out stuff". Also I love the fact that archaeological sites leave a part unexavated so future archaeologists can use their own methods on it. I've been wondering in the past whether archaeologists somehow take into account that they might have more/better tools in the future to research what they are researching now, and that they might destroy that possibility by digging everything up now.

[@FlintDibble]

thanks potkanka!

[@LindaGrey-wm9uc]

Plse don't assume.. ceremonial site? Limiting archeospeak. A thousand years on, would that apply to a university ruins site? An observatory a homage to the God's? We simply do not know. Let's be honest and just own that.

[@carriebartkowiak]

EXACTLY! Well said.

[@waynemyers2469]

Oh, c'mon, you didn't watch the whole interview, did you?

[@AllStyleNoSubstance1]

All those things you described are "ceremonial" by virtue of its definition

[@chipdaddy9716]

Ridiculous, I soon as I read the term archeospeak you lost all credibility for the rest of the statement. You are influenced by grifters.

[@ii-ne4hr]

You did not listen

[@brianhildreth9099]

Good stuff! Thank you!

[@danilodesnica3821]

Wow, so the strange "handbag" objects are in fact representations of local buildings with a rounded corbelled roof, proven beyond doubt by the fact that they found negative spaces where two wooden beams were crossed into an X shape! That must be the discovery of the generation:- >> First ever depiction of a landscape with three buildings in vertical cross section, >> Straight X-shape of wooden beams somehow turned into a rounded, hemispherical roof, in direct contrast with flat roofed buildings prevalent in the area at the time. >> Amazing that the shape of round roof buildings from Gobekli Tepe was then replicated across the globe in different continents, centuries and millenia apart! From South America, to far East Asia, people chose to depict these handbag shape buildings from Gobekli Tepe, even though Gobekli Tepe was long gone and buried by then! That conclusion (that handbag shapes represent neolithic round dome buildings local to Gobekli Tepe 11K years ago) is therefore even more extraordinary than the conspiracy theories that the handbag shape represents some form of common badge of authority or knowledge! One can see that symbols of authority or specialist knowledge could be passed down the generations and across the globe, but this conclusion requires that additionally, the design of dome shaped buildings in Gobekli Tepe, buried 9 thousand years ago, was so memorable that the shape endured in human memory long after it's purpose in Gobekli Tepe was forgotten and burried by mud slides. This is just extraordinary, and a major achievement of modern day archaeologists! I'd expect papers and text-books to be written on the subject. The words in this video @50:07 ring so true, quote "You have a hypothesis, you test it, you find a response and then BOOM - that's archaeology as a science right there!" :-)

[@Jaksi-a]

Great video. A site that I hope to visit in my lifetime. Not done watching yet, but I would love it if this gut was asked how much is still not excavated. How much they estimate is still under ground/not discovered.

[@Immaculate_Perception]

Thanks for the video. Was there a reason why the excavation stopped at a certain point around the perimeter. And the owners decided to plant trees over part of the site?

[@Eyes_Open]

Trees were planted years ago by private landowners who wanted to increase property value before the site was purchased.

[@Ifelta]

How many seeds would you find in a big church or skyscraper? I bet it would be hard to find anything besides grass seed in a stadium.

[@paulmichael4614]

Brilliant and thank you

[@robertmoye7565]

Very informative and interesting.

[@Thunder_warrior]

The number of likes tells about the level of iq population of humanity are currently at, this is very important information that unfortunately only few of us care of!😢