What's My Line? - Carol Burnett; PANEL: Tony Randall, Dr. Joyce Brothers (Mar 20, 1966)

MYSTERY GUEST: Carol Burnett
PANEL: Tony Randall, Dr. Joyce Brothers, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
NOTE: Closing credits added from an older rerun pre-GSN-credit-crunching.
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[@mikejschin]

For those of us who were around when this show was originally produced, one of the great things about watching these episodes is relating the air dates to events in our own lives. This one aired on my 15th birthday. I watched the show sometimes during the early 1960s through the end of its run, but have little recollection of it. It's been said that you never read the same book twice, because by the time of the second reading your life experiences in the interim have changed your perspective and the book will have different meaning to you. Same with WML..it was mildly entertaining to a 15 year old but immensely enjoyable to this 69 year old.

[@reedjose7624]

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[@brixtonderek7793]

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[@reedjose7624]

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[@brixtonderek7793]

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[@rmelin13231]

Tony Randall is always such a joy to watch and listen to. He has never, not even once, disappointed me.

[@paulmorin6569]

There's a good deal of Felix in tony randall

[@leannsherman6723]

Charles daily always made the guests feel important, regardless of what they are lined happened to be. Also, kudos to the cameramen who always did a great job capturing the expressions of the four celebrities when they learned the guests’ lines.

[@garfieldharrison510]

Tony Randall is always a pleasure to watch. That's why they gave him the role for "Odd Couple". He was amazing as Felix. His personality on What's My Line is what used to agitate Oscar. Love it. I enjoyed watching the Carol Burnett Show back in the days.

[@oldwestguy]

The panel was on a roll tonight... they all seemed to have their esp caps on. The gentleman who made kites was the only real challenge they had. I wait every show for Mr. Daly to say to the panrrl "We don't want to mislead you... we want to be fair." Lol. The show isn't complete until those words are uttered.

[@loissimmons6558]

Dr. Joyce Brothers is one of only a handful of celebrities to appear on the original version of WML who have a connection to my alma mater, Cornell University. She received her BA from Cornell (Class of '47), Others are Allen Funt who graduated in 1934, Peter Yarrow ('59) of the folk music group Peter Paul and Mary, Adolphe Menjou (an engineering major), Al Hall ('56) a four-time Olympian who appeared on 8/14/60 when all the challengers were associated with the Olympics in Rome that year (and also a fellow member of the senior honorary society Quill & Dagger) and Garry Moore whose son went there. (Garry Morfit has a large place in Cornell lore as having lived in a caboose while in Ithaca and was one of the co-founders of a restaurant-tavern combination known as "The Boxcar" and "The Loading Dock", popular haunts for Cornell students for many years.) Also a recent episode had a Christmas tree grower who was also a Cornell student (and is father, a state politician, also was a Cornell grad): William Smith. Go Big Red!

[@opale1572]

Menudo tostón.

[@rtususian]

I just watched the first segment with the female blackjack dealers, and Dr. Joyce sounded remarkably like Dorothy Kilgallen both in style of speaking and thought process and what she said and how she said it.

[@paulmorin6569]

There's a lot of Felix in tony randall

[@lizaelliott6862]

Carol's "no"s sounded just like her Stella Toddler voice in her show 😂💕

[@ChristopherUSSmith]

Liza Elliott And at 18:13 her Eunice voice. :)

[@lindaeasley4336]

Stella Toddler was my favorite Carol Burnett character 😂👍

[@paulineg20024]

@@ChristopherUSSmith more Zelda for me :)

[@FlavioGirl]

wow i've never seen dr. brothers look so elegant :)

[@alanfollett6242]

15:13: Note Carol's signature ear-tug salute to her grandmother.

[@nancymilawski1048]

Was her grandmother still alive at this time?

[@brianwilliams3438]

Happy 90th Birthday Carol Burnett !

[@scottmiller6495]

Carol Burnett was a very talented and beautiful lady!!!!!

[@randysills4418]

I am trying to find the Scott Miller who was my chiropractor in the late 1990s by Los Angeles. Are you him, please?

[@scottmiller6495]

@@randysills4418 No and I'm not the Scott miller from wagon train either, LOL 😂

[@Beson-SE]

I liked Dr Joyce Brothers. She asked relevant questions and was witty and charming. "The Alphabet Murders" had its premier in May 1966, so Tony sure got publicity well in advance. The panel have talked about the movie for months!

[@519djw6]

Hei Johan! Ordet ”charmy” eksisterer ikke. Det er ”charming.” Og hvorfor er du ikke et medlem av gruppen ”What’s My Line?”? Den er veldig morsomt!

[@Beson-SE]

519DJW Tack! Jag har ändrat ordet nu. Tyckte "charmy" var ett bra ord. :) Om du menar gruppen på facebook; jag finns ikke på fb.

[@ToddSF]

Johan Bengtsson Interesting to me is that "charming" is exactly the same word as in French -- charmant[e}. "Charmer" in French is "to charm", and if you put the "-ant" ending on the stem for "charmant", you get charming. In Swedish, "charmig" would literally be "charmy" in English, if only such an adjective existed in English. Instead we use the present participle as an adjective. So I can see where you were coming from when going from Swedish to English. I have a similar problem often when going from English to Swedish..

[@TheJMascis666]

I've been watching these in chronological order and I was just thinking that they've been talking about the Alphabet Murders for months.

[@jvcomedy]

+Johan Bengtsson Just a few months prior to promoting "The Alphabet Murders" here on WML the show and it's panel constantly promoted "Fluffy" which was Tony's movie prior to this one. I can see why he'd want to be on this show as he was getting lots of free advertising for all of his movies.

[@joycejean-baptiste4355]

Alright Mr. Levine, go fly a Kite. Lol! I'm not offended if someone tells me to go fly a Kite. It's so relaxing and fun, I even have one.

[@itorapadas]

Tony Randall and his precise Mid-Atlantic Accent.

[@Noone58319]

Is that what a mid-Atlantic accent is all about?

[@patrickpower3992]

Arlene's guess was Blackjack *champions* for the first two ladies, but Charles said "YES!"

[@gailsirois7175]

That's what I said..she didn't have the answer at all

[@Grayson91003]

They got the "Blackjack" Part correct, they probably would've gotten it for that point forward.

[@nanaberry4120]

Oh my word!!! Those first two ladies!!! They were so tiny and their hair was SO BIG!!!! How did they manage to keep from tipping over?????

[@loissimmons6558]

Did you notice the hems of their dresses? Those were counterweights! :-)

[@boognish999]

Dr. Joyce seems like she would have been great at this game had she been a regular panelist. Very deductive.

[@ToddSF]

They still stitch all baseballs by hand but, after 1973, cowhide came into use because supplies of horsehide were insufficient. Apparently, major league baseball rules were adjusted accordingly around 1973.

[@ToddSF]

Not quite correct. There were plenty of states with laws on the books prohibiting the slaughter or horses for human consumption for many years. More states passed laws with that prohibition in more recent years. There was an episode of "All in the Family" where Gloria went over to New Jersey to buy raw horse meat because beef had become so expensive and couldn't be purchased in New York. Horses still can be slaughtered to make dog food, sold pre-cooked in cans and branded and labeled as horsemeat for dog food. Horse's hooves are still used to make a certain type of old-fashioned glue and the hair taken from such slaughtered horses is still used for certain purposes, such as in the furniture industry. There were some slaughterhouses in existence in certain states, not many, that sold butchered horse meat for export to other countries, but that practice no longer exists in the U.S. Still, the supply of horsehide is limited compared to the supply of cowhide.

[@galileocan]

The panel was razor sharp on this episode!

[@rong4248]

She worked stitching baseballs in Natick for 10 years

[@robbob1234]

Has your mom talked about her experience on this episode? Great contestant! She seemed quite personable and not at all nervous! If you or she have any stories about her you'd like to share, show-related or not, the WML Facebook group (link in the video description) would love to hear them.

[@opale1572]

Siempre hay gente que está en el secreto.

[@2508bona]

Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale's holdout was the big story of spring training 1966. I believe that they were asking for $100,000 apiece. Of course, in those days, the reserve clause was still in force, so holding out was the only real leverage they had.

[@loissimmons6558]

+Chris Barat They were asking for a million dollars over 3 years to be divided equally between them. They settled for one year contracts: Koufax receiving $125,000 and Drysdale receiving $110,000. Koufax had already decided that 1966 would be his last season. Combining with Drysdale (previously Dodgers GM Buzzie Bavasi had played them against each other during their separate negotiations) and making their demands high enabled them to receive big raises and salaries at the top of the scale for baseball in 1966.

[@VahanNisanian]

Dr. Joyce Brothers was the only contestant to win the top prize on "The $64,000 Question" legally.

[@2508bona]

In boxing, I believe... which still kind of knocks me out (no pun intended).

[@jvcomedy]

+Vahan Nisanian I think she was the 2nd winner. The first was Captain Tom McCutcheon who won for the category of "cooking". It was sometime after Dr. Brothers won that they rigged the show.

[@loissimmons6558]

According to an interview with Dr. Brothers, that result happened because the producers of "$64,000 Question" did not like her. If they wanted you to succeed, you were given a choice of categories that they were knowledgeable about. If they didn't like you, the categories were ones that you were likely to flop at. What they didn't know was that she had a photographic memory. People came away thinking how interesting it was that someone like her would be a boxing expert. In fact, she knew nothing about it when the topic was given to her, but she was a friend of boxing expert Nat Fleischer. She holed up in his library during the time between being given the topic and when she went on the show. The rest is history.

[@surrepeight]

I once read either an interview with Dr. Brothers or an article about her and the two things I remember from it was that she used her $64,000 win to help her husband set up on his medical office on Park Ave. The other thing I remember is the day she met her future husband. Her sister came upstairs and said to her, "I've just met the man you're going to marry!"

[@adamcoates2890]

Carol Burnett is still alive and I am dying to know what she said to Tony Randall when she shook his hand at the end! I imagine she had a few choice words for a male chauvinist. She is amazing!!

[@drumbum3.142]

Just One person's take; but i always Love when Mr Tony Randall is on this panel. Smart Whip. (Imho)

[@kentetalman9008]

Tony is my favorite guest panelist.

[@joycejean-baptiste4355]

Awww, they're saying good night to me. Interestingly my mother used to call me Dr. Joyce Brothers because I would pretend to be a doctor when my brother and I would play house. There's probably a video game for that now. Lol!

[@lindaeasley4336]

Tony Randle once guest starred on Garry Moore show and did a skit with Carol

[@Absurdist1968]

Definitely a Bostoner, that Mrs. Gray. ⚾⚾⚾

[@Lava1964]

It's a bit of a stretch, but I'd say a kite is decorative as an airborne one is appealing to the eyes.

[@soulierinvestments]

Somewhere in KZbin there is or was a channel that explained various programs in five minutes. Its five-minute explanation of WML used this episode.

[@soulierinvestments]

One of the first set of WML panelists back in Feb 1950 was a psychiatrist named Dr. Richard Hoffmann, who was an early celebrity mental health expert particularly in trials. On WML he seemed tasked to ask one question after another. Joyce Brothers did better by the Hoffmann standard of play and would have been interesting on WML, I think. Apparently she didn't set G-T on fire that night.

[@dvinedzine]

Dr. Joyce is downright clairvoyant. :O

[@Patrick-yh5yd]

Those were the great days for stars. Dr Joyce was so good to read every day in my newspaper.

[@jackkomisar458]

The book that Bennett Cerf, Joyce Brothers, and Tony Randall were referring to during the first segment was "Beat the Dealer" by Edward O. Thorp. The book was published in 1962, and a revised edition was published in 1966. Thorp's system of card counting was calculated, using the rules of probability theory and an IBM 704 computer, based on the use of a single deck of cards. As Dr. Brothers mentioned on WML, the casinos eventually thwarted the system by adding additional decks of cards. I remember reading about it at the time.

[@opale1572]

Parece que siempre hay gente que está "en el ajo". ¡Cuánto espía desperdiciado! 😄

[@VahanNisanian]

This rerun is from a few years back, during one of the times, the program annually returned for Christmas.

[@jph0917]

Framingham & Natick are big sports rivals. Every Thanksgiving their HS football teams have lock horns since 1904.

[@jayrice5156]

Love Dr Joyce Brother's dress!

[@MarshalTennerWinter]

A baseball stitcher? I wonder how long after this episode until she was replaced by a machine.

[@loissimmons6558]

According to this article from 2017, they are still hand-stitched. That's one reason why baseballs these days are generally made outside of the U.S. The official game balls for Major League Baseball are currently made in Costa Rica. www.ballqube.com/how-baseballs-are-made/

[@rtususian]

I don't know if John Daly was kidding or not, but the doctor talked about Carol and his medical information with each other? WOW, today that doctor would have his license revoked with the HIPPA laws. Times were definitely different in those days. And I wouldn't be surprised if the doctor was smoking a cigarette when he spoke with them!! LOL

[@saifonlawrence2044]

I love both Carol Burnett and the late Tony Randall

[@ginniekinz5401]

Funniest part with Carol 16:13 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@randysills4418]

Carol Burnett is a doll!

[@nandofigueira2005]

I love carol.

[@rong4248]

OMG That's my mom!

[@TheRandomRedSoxGuy]

Ron G Forgive me if this is too personal, but did she live long enough to see our great Curse at last broken?

[@percyweasley9301]

This show is like time capsule ❤

[@brandonflorida1092]

"Beat the Dealer" was written by MIT mathematician Edward O. Thorp and forced casinos to change the way blackjack was played all over the world.

[@2021kyoto]

I did not know John Charles Daly wife's father was Chief Justice Earl Warren.

[@sw9618]

And the Warren Commission connected to the Kennedy assassinations -- why Dorothy Kilgallen was murdered.

[@luketimber4679]

@@sw9618 How ironic is that. It's a small word.

[@bt10ant]

@@sw9618 Kilgallen's husband died the same way. I guess he was murdered, too, eh?

[@sw9618]

@@bt10ant No he didn't. He died after natural causes. Her husband wasn't murdered. She was. Get informed.

[@VickyRBenson]

Dorothy Kilgallen had written about how the findings of the Warren Commission were not believable. Recently I read how he hadn’t wanted to head that Commission at all. He was practically ordered to by President Johnson. And of course it had to go the way J. Edgar Hoover wanted it to. It was definitely a cover-up and Dorothy was relentless to find the out the truth.

[@adamodeo9320]

Dr. Joyce Brothers was an amazing smart woman

[@leesher1845]

I loved seeing the cursive handwriting back then. It’s really such a pity that they’ve all been eliminated it from most of the schools. Maybe some kids will take it as an elective like some of us took typing back in the day.

[@gbrumburgh]

It seems to me when a contestant is from Vegas or Reno and deal with gambling, or in other obvious cases, John should simply ask them to say where they are originally from. To not disclose where they are from is just as obvious.

[@allendemas7866]

Love Carol

[@soulierinvestments]

First contestants, you can bet, had the biggest heads of hairdo seen together on Sunday WML.

[@2508bona]

You can easily imagine them keeping several extra packs of cards stored in there in case of emergencies.

[@loopshackr]

I'm willing to bet they were redheads, too.

[@tweeky2893]

I found this episode to have an unhappy vibe....almost like they were going thru the motions

[@poetcomic1]

Dr. Brothers was scary-smart and it seems to have rubbed of on sweet, self-effacing Tony.

[@Apb23]

Tony Randall was on tonight!

[@jaengen]

He is rather irritating sometimes. Not sure why.

[@kentetalman9008]

@@jaengen Never!

[@VahanNisanian]

Dr. Joyce Brothers does fine here, but comes off a little nervous. Of course, by the time she regularly made the rounds on the new "What's My Line?" in Syndication, she was now a natural.

[@savethetpc6406]

I found her recitation of her introductory poem kind of hard to take...

[@username178able]

Dr Brothers was criticized & was controversial in the psychological community- at one point almost had her membership in the APA ( American psychiatric association) revoked… considered by many to be a “pop” psychologist.

[@jacquelinebell6201]

Carol Burnett!😂😂😂😂

[@2021kyoto]

It is unbelievable in 2017 that Don Drysdale, and Sandy Kofax were holding out for only $100,000.

[@loissimmons6558]

+Michael Silverman Actually their initial salary demand was for $1 million to be divided between them equally, spread over 3 years. They ended up with one year contracts: Koufax for $125,000 and Drysdale for $110,000. Yes, it doesn't sound like much by today's standards, but it was a $40,000 raise for Koufax and a $30,000 raise for Drysdale. With the reserve clause still in place, had they continued to hold out, they had no other alternatives in baseball as players other than going to Japan. But they were bargaining for more than just salary. Like any first step, they were only partially successful. They were fighting for the right to collectively bargain, in part because Dodgers GM Buzzie Bavasi would always play them against each other. ("How come you want this much when the other fellow only wants that much?" And he'd say the same type of thing to both players during the same off season until Drysdale's first wife suggested that they talk to each other, compare notes.and approach Bavasi as a team.) This scared the owners so much that in the first agreement with the union, they insisted that players no longer be allowed to do it and the players union agreed as long as the owners also could not collude with each other to hold down salaries. And years later that led to a big win for the players union when the owners tried to do just that. They were fighting for the right to be represented by an agent during the negotiations. A football player named Jim Ringo had tried that with the Green Bay Packers. Vince Lombardi excused himself politely, said he be back in a few minutes, and when he returned he told Ringo and his agent they could talk to the Philadelphia Eagles because that was where he had just traded Ringo. Bavasi and the players have different versions of how important of how big a part their agent played in the process. But Dodger owner Walter O'Malley was an attorney. He knew that agents was where the game was headed and that the reserve clause would eventually be limited. He knew not only because he was an attorney, but because he was in the entertainment capital of the world and he knew that recent case law regarding those in the acting profession would soon be applied to ballplayers. The owners in places like Kansas City, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh might not be prepared for it, but he was. While some point to Curt Flood and the first head of the players union, Marvin Miller, as the beachheads that led to free agency, Miller gives credit to Koufax and Drysdale. They might have been a union of two, but they were the first instance of a players union in baseball that had any success at all. And they owe some of their success to Olivia De Haviland. She was the actress who some 20 years earlier challenged Warner Brothers attempt to unilaterally extend her contract past the seven year maximum allowed under California law. (To this day, the law is known as the "De Haviland Law".) So the next time you read about some player signing a multi-million dollar contract either because he is a free agent or because of the threat of tree agency, remember Marvin Miller and Curt Flood and Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale. And think of sweet "Melanie Hamilton Wilkes" who was blacklisted by Warner Brothers (and the other studios followed suit) for over two years until her case made its way through the courts and she won, leading to her signing with Paramount.

[@nancymilawski1048]

Marvin Miller wrote a wonderful book about the founding of the Baseball Players Association called "A Whole Different Ballgame: The Inside Story of Baseball's New Deal. " It covers until the strike of 1994. Also Jon Pessah wrote a book called "The Game: Inside The Secret World of Major League Baseball's Power Brokers." This covers from 1994 strike until around 2014. Both of these books go into a lot of detail of behind the scenes of all the teams and the various strikes and even the different stadium builds over this time. The owners from the very beginning of major league baseball forming have been cheap skates. Any way they can increase their own income without increasing pay to players and staff they have done it. And to this day with the lack of free agent signings in the offseason and the time service manipulation of young players shows that they haven't changed a bit. (I follow the Toronto Blue Jays and they are one of the worst to cry poor and make cuts to the minimum wage workers at the stadium they are in fact profitable and always have been. )

[@opale1572]

Otra que está "en el ajo". Y menudo tostón nos ha dado.

[@SR-iy4gg]

I wonder what was wrong with Carol's left arm.

[@yeahnoonecaresifyouarefirst]

I thought she was a "psychic" i have no clue why she'd be on the show if that were true Psychologist..... You didnt let me finish the word 😂 Oh so that's where the sketch with rita moreno came from lol 😂❤

[@alanfollett6242]

16:16: Oh, I've just been waiting for a female MG, asked that question, to do that schtick. Was Carol the first and only? (Pity she couldn't have had a lower-cut neckline.)

[@Baskerville22]

How did Joyce Brothers alight almost immediately on the Las Vegas casino as their place of work ?

[@jonathanmoeg1202]

She didn't. If where they're from is purposely omitted, it's reasonable to assume that location would strongly suggest an occupation. Las Vegas is an obvious choice here and she said Las Vegas or London. As it is, they worked in a Reno casino not Las Vegas.

[@bbailey7818]

Joyce Brothers would have been a great permanent replacement for the much missed Dorothy Kilgallen.

[@drumbum3.142]

16:11 - 16:16 😂😂😂

[@GCoop1985]

Its always been speculated the panel was occasionally "fed the lines" of the contestants. While I suskected it when they got the black dealers so quickly, I knew fir certain with the baseball stitcher with only 2 down...come on...at least dont make it look obvious

[@MagesLikeYouAndI]

I find Dr. Brothers irritating for some reason, but it is pretty interesting how she was able to figure out those twins had something to do with gambling basically out of thin air.

[@cosmotopperIII]

Anyone who tries to make 'answers' rhyme with 'Arlene Francis' is pretty irritating!

[@kathrynoneill5862]

I wonder why during this time they had shows in which the woman were always housewives. Nothing wrong with being a housewife but obviously women had careers back then. I honestly thought rarely did woman worked back then because of the old shows I have watched in reruns.

[@opale1572]

Porque los criterios de los guionistas van cambiando. Los motivos no son siempre claros.

[@joycejean-baptiste4355]

I guess baseballs can't be made by automation. Not even AI could do possibly.

[@alanfollett6242]

10:53: Nothing to do with animals? You might ask the poor horses involved in the process for a second opinion.

[@hopelewis5650]

JCD first guests DEAL in a service.

[@kristabrewer6736]

John STILL hasn't changed 😞I like this Game Show, but ya know, there REALLY was no point to it. Everybody wins whether they win or not 😞

[@VickyRBenson]

No point to it? I guess it’s in the eye of the beholder. To me they are SO interesting! Human interest, too. The “game” part is incidental. And now that the episodes are so vintage, there is historic interest as well-for me, anyway. I like the interesting comments as well, and the different points of view. And the information that people share about the topics that come up. It’s sad, though, that so many have left us. Sometimes their obituaries are shared. Some guests went on to be famous. I was headed for the peace corps to teach English in Senegal after graduating from college when this episode aired, so I noted what John Charles Daly said at the very end. But as it turned out, I opted out before I went for the training, because I received grants to do what I really wanted to do. I went to Syracuse University School of Journalism grad school instead. Robert Kennedy visited the campus while I was there, not long before he went out to California and was shot. So, I love these WML episodes that bring back so many interesting memories! It’s kind of nice that everyone wins, isn’t it? 😊

[@kenlieberman4215]

It's only $50. The panelists were $1000's for a half hour, an hour if you figure time to freshen up. I think they started given the full prize to everyone after the game show scandal. This was a PANEL show, which is different.

[@sjcohen4444]

Three of the four panelists were Jewish. The altright must be plotzing!

[@SR-iy4gg]

What a disgusting comment. What's with liberals and their obsession with who is Jewish? So what if they were Jewish? What's it to you?

[@VickyRBenson]

That’s interesting.

[@geraldkatz7986]

Uncalled for and untrue.

[@akrenwinkle]

@@geraldkatz7986 Mean-spirited and uncalled for, yes. But it's true, 3 of the 4 were. Only Arlene wasn't, but her husband was.

[@largemember]

15:13 Such a beautiful and talented LADY!