MYSTERY GUEST: Mickey Rooney [film and TV actor] PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Martin Gabel, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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@jasonsmith83006 жыл бұрын
I like how he signed in with his real name
@tugginalong Жыл бұрын
One of Mickey’s fellow actors said he could play any instrument in the band and was probably the most naturally talented person they’d ever known.
@pammilner7161 Жыл бұрын
He definitely was the greatest actor!
@jerrylee82612 жыл бұрын
Mickey was so talented-could sing, dance, act, play a lot of instruments, etc. Really enjoyed him and Hackett in Mad, etc. etc. World.
@shuroom5710 ай бұрын
That shot of the two of them in that out of control airplane cockpit, shot from behind looking out the front window --- the backs of their little heads while they're screaming for dear life ------ damn funny!
@gerald-yy8cz10 ай бұрын
@@shuroom57 Is one of the funniest movies I have ever seen altho did think Spencer Tracy was too old for his part and Berle's movie wife looked more like his grand daughter. I guess Ethel Merman insisted her daughter look like a 17 year old so as not to date her. Would have been better if Merman & Berle had been married.
@manuelfarinelli383910 жыл бұрын
RIP Mr Rooney, a great star in heaven, great musicals with Judy Garland.
@Mygirlyvintagelife10 жыл бұрын
Rip Mickey Rooney you were a funny man and a legend there will never be another Mickey Rooney rip Mickey
@preppysocks2094 жыл бұрын
Mickey Rooney's first wife was Ava Gardner and he was her first husband. They were married for a year. Mickey later publicly praised her for the great sex they had. Ava said, I'm glad one of us enjoyed it."
@raylenenielsen59432 жыл бұрын
No one is perfect!
@m.e.d.79972 жыл бұрын
Ava could be tough I think. Beautiful as all get out though. She looks exquisite on her WML appearance. Truly a dynamite episode with her. And she is beyond stunning.
@1013pka3 жыл бұрын
Hardly a day goes by that I don’t watch one or more of these shows. I enjoy when Martin Gabel is on. What a voice he had. Thank u so much!
@erichanson4262 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone else besides me who likes Martin Gable
@jerrylee82612 жыл бұрын
@@erichanson426 I like him. He had to have had a lot going for him to land Arlene. Echo 1013 on his voice.
@m.e.d.79972 жыл бұрын
@@erichanson426 I like him too
@joeblaumer20852 жыл бұрын
Some of them I’ve watched many many times. I feel so lucky to see these.
@jacquelinebell6201 Жыл бұрын
I watch several every day too. And I also like Martin Gabel. He and Arlene went well together.
@ToddSF8 жыл бұрын
Worth seeing is Mickey Rooney's performance in an episode of "The Twilight Zone" from 1963, called "The Last Night of a Jockey" -- it's a 30-minute, one-man performance, nicely done. Rod Serling wrote the episode himself specifically for Mickey Rooney.
@tuberobotto4 жыл бұрын
Though I'm not particularly fond of monologues, I think I'd love to see it.
@jazzmanchgo3 жыл бұрын
Yes -- superb performance. Rooney was one of those comic actors who could also shine in serious dramatic roles.
@davidrosler54132 жыл бұрын
Tour de force one man performance. Interesting that it's a lot about height and dignity, as serling who wrote it for Rooney was himself very short. Not AS shirt, but quite short. I think around 5'4, so there are a lot of personal views by serling in that very effective script.
@maryblushes71896 ай бұрын
I remember that one! It was really good. I recommend looking it up.
@dkeat3018 жыл бұрын
The, now closed, Joliet Prison, is where the opening scene from the Blues Brothers was filmed. The scenes where Elwood picks up Jake is the outside of the prison. Every year, they show the movie on an exterior wall of the building.
@loissimmons65586 жыл бұрын
And Jake disapproves of the car that Elwood came in.
@caitlinjane929 жыл бұрын
Mickey Rooney's disguised voice is definitely my #1 favorite from this show and the funniest I've heard.
@Baskerville222 жыл бұрын
Andy Williams' assumed voice is the funniest
@poetcomic12 жыл бұрын
Nobody was as funny as Debbie Reynolds doing her Gabor voice and it is tied with Jack Benny with his tongue sticking out. Rooney's voice is a bit annoying as no one understands his answers.
@echoecho31082 жыл бұрын
Mickey used that voice on another WML appearance. I was surprised Arlene, since she was there then, didn't recognize the voice. Everyone complained they couldn't understand him then, too.
@WWChampion162 жыл бұрын
He sounds like Droopy.
@tellcolombo8549 Жыл бұрын
@@WWChampion16 I think so!
@ericpurkey750210 жыл бұрын
Rip Mickey Rooney 1920-2014
@RetroSpectrumEntertainment10 жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace, Mickey.
@edwardoneil39626 күн бұрын
I just love this nostalgic show. It's 2024, - 67years later and I'm fascinated watching it. 😊
@nathanielpreston5377 Жыл бұрын
Mickey Rooney turned down the Penguin in the 1960s Batman series, so Burgess Meredith was cast instead.
@YY4Me133 Жыл бұрын
I met Mickey Rooney, very briefly, in a movie theater on Second Avenue, in Manhattan. I'm not generally star-struck, but he really was a legend. As many of his movies as I'd seen, I was still unprepared for how short he really was.
@alicemcknight63356 ай бұрын
Wasn't he something like 5'2"?
@YY4Me1336 ай бұрын
@@alicemcknight6335 Yes, he was. Looking back, I think I expected him to be more like 5'4".
@NYVoice8 жыл бұрын
This was three months after Mickey's live performance in The Comedian (Playhouse 90). It's quite a remarkable and appallingly stark portrayal that you should see. It's on here if you look.
@leesher18453 жыл бұрын
Arlene & Dorothy were so smart.
@petersanders53212 жыл бұрын
Loved him in "It's a mad, mad, mad, world". Hard not to like the guy.
@ginnylorenz52657 жыл бұрын
Both Martin Gabel and Mickey Rooney demonstrate that a man doesn't have to be tall to be VERY attractive!!!!
@sleb994 жыл бұрын
Ginny Lorenz thank you for that astute observation!
@karenmallonee38673 жыл бұрын
I just love Arlene's dress! ❤️
@jimbeasley19319 жыл бұрын
I can't believe how many comments are about the show being rigged or not. WHO CARES !.....It's just good entertainment, much better than the trash we have on TV today. Thanks again for posting these shows.
@WhatsMyLine9 жыл бұрын
Jim Beasley And. . . not only doesn't it matter, but the show simply wasn't rigged anyway. The people who believe this are just dead wrong and usually can't be reasoned with, so I don't bother anymore. :)
@virginiahanna8695 жыл бұрын
I think Arlene knew who he was already.
@virginiahanna8695 жыл бұрын
I mean the warden.
@virginiahanna8695 жыл бұрын
Well, heck. He was promoting a book!
@JL0ndon5 жыл бұрын
Well and if you do any research about Dorothy kilgallen you’d know she was smart as a whip and was so smart that she could deduce anything.
@loissimmons65586 жыл бұрын
The first movie I recall ever seeing outside of my home was "The Atomic Kid" with Mickey Rooney, As I recall, it was shown in the auditorium of our grammar school and any student with what was known in the 1950's as a G.O. (General Organization) Card could see it. The G.O. card appears to have gone the way of the Do Do bird. I can't even find it mentioned with a Google search.
@chuckendweiss48495 жыл бұрын
Lois Simmons You have missed much. Andy Hardy musicals with Judy Garland
@tuberobotto4 жыл бұрын
In a month and 8 days time of this episode, I get born 😊🤗 So good to see funny and wonderful people of this Era #vivaBoomers 😁😀
@lindawilliams4294 жыл бұрын
To just be able to have a conversation with this amazing man. RIP Mr. Rooney and thanks for the memories.
@bennieash10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting all these wonderful shows from the past. I've enjoyed watching them again and again.
@Kat-fw9se5 жыл бұрын
bennieash yes tyvm
@poetcomic13 жыл бұрын
Playwright Tennessee Williams said Mickey Rooney was one of the greatest American actors.
@peternagy-im4be2 жыл бұрын
Was he entirely sober ?
@poetcomic12 жыл бұрын
@@peternagy-im4be Have you seen him in AReqauiem for a Heavyweight?
@CarlDuke6 жыл бұрын
Rooney was doing his Doctor Schnipes character voice.
@JB-ox7ib4 жыл бұрын
Oh, Micky Rooney that was so funny And cuuute! 😊😂🌟💕
@teddytodorova3 жыл бұрын
9.00 Martin: My only disability... Arlene: True!
@tessar.97793 жыл бұрын
I still can‘t figure out if that is a nice thing of her to say or not 😄 I have no doubt that she meant it in a nice way, saying that Martin is flawless otherwise, but it‘s still not the most elegant compliment 😂
@rapunzelz55205 жыл бұрын
All these government types have that certain serious countenance that the panel spots right away.
@stephaniepayne3497 Жыл бұрын
RIP SWEET DADDY!
@ShaggyDawg7 жыл бұрын
Guess who was born on the date this aired? Me! :-)
@neilphelan1455 жыл бұрын
Early HAPPY BIRTHDAY 🎂
@audreydaleski1067 Жыл бұрын
Mickey is just plain enjoyable.
@blainj568710 жыл бұрын
RIP Mickey Rooney, the number of contestants that ever appeared on this show is dwindling fast.
@judyd.50263 ай бұрын
Every night I watch at least one of these while I wash dishes. Very enjoyable.
@chrisn72598 жыл бұрын
Judy Garland called Mickey Rooney the genius that taught her everything she knew. He was incredibly versatile and he often probably treated people shabbily. Such is genius.
@raylenenielsen59432 жыл бұрын
A wise man once said “If you’re going to assume something of someone, assume the best”.
@whoami19392 жыл бұрын
@@raylenenielsen5943 NICE
@Beson-SE9 жыл бұрын
Joliet Prison was used in the movie "The Blues Brothers" in which John Belushi plays a man named "Joliet" Jake Blues...
@terrywestbrook-lienert229610 жыл бұрын
Mickey making an appearance on What's My Line
@gaelengesser948410 жыл бұрын
I was so busy reading Mark and WML's conversation that I missed the first segment!
@richatlarge4624 жыл бұрын
Happens to me all the time.
@michellepost10166 жыл бұрын
I will forever love the Andy Hardy movies! The people on the panel should understand how hard it is to disguise one's voice.
@preppysocks2094 жыл бұрын
I once saw a movie from the 1940s in color in which Rooney impersonated a number of Hollywood stars of the era. I had no idea he was so good as impressions. His impersonation of his sometime costar Lionel Barrymore was hilarious.
@fakingtrels10 жыл бұрын
RIP Mickey Rooney, a great underrated actor who made us laugh in breakfast at tiffany's and made us cry in the fox and the hound
@steveburrus55267 жыл бұрын
saND let's please not forget about Mickey Rooney doing thpose Andy Hardy movies and all of t hose movies with the legendary singer Judy Garland .
@fakingtrels6 жыл бұрын
Hey I just realized this, he was also the voice of Kris Kringle from the classic santa clause is coming to town movie
@accomplice553 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but his casting in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" was horrible.
@laurahoward5426 Жыл бұрын
UNDERRATED??????
@kentetalman9008 Жыл бұрын
Mickey Rooney was a really creepy guy, long before "Breakfast at Tiffany's". But he had been a very talented kid.
@psygn0sis2 жыл бұрын
The guy who punched Judy Garland's V card.
@alicemcknight63356 ай бұрын
Me, too! My favotite is onfe where Dorothy and guest panelist Victor Borge get the giggles so hard they are crying while Arlene and Bennet on the other end are also giggling. I have watched and watched it, trying to figure out what set them off. Something about a bathtub, i think. It is the one whete the guest makes rocking chairs, including one for President Kennedy.
@debbigray17522 жыл бұрын
First guest was "J.E." J for Joseph, second guest was Joseph, Mystery Guest signed his birth name ...Joseph
@jackseward7779 Жыл бұрын
Mickey Rooney = hambone. Like many stars, he can't restrict himself to very brief and disguised answers.
@norelcopc24318 жыл бұрын
I like to close my eyes and guess the mystery guest along with the panel. I guessed Micky Rooney.
@msiee55917 жыл бұрын
You know, that is not such a bad idea. I need to try that.
@418-Error3 жыл бұрын
I often look away when they show the line, to play along. Makes for a different experience.
@loissimmons65586 жыл бұрын
It amazes me how people can point at a segment where the panel did an excellent job as evidence that the show is rigged, but totally ignore the segments where the panel was skunked and the challenger (even a mystery guest on occasion) legitimately got ten "no" answers.
@juanettebutts97824 жыл бұрын
When I first began watching these shows, I thought the program had to be rigged. How could some of the guests be deduced so quickly, otherwise? Upon completing the first dozens of shows, I realized the panel members were incredibly smart, knew who was in town, followed celebrities' careers using a magnifying glass. The audiences' reactions push the panel members in the correct directions. Occasionally, I wish John Daly would spin around on his chair and tell the audience to be quiet and not give everything away. Thank you for posting all these! I'm addicted and don't care!
@jerrylee82612 жыл бұрын
@@juanettebutts9782 Hear! Hear! The audience detracts from what is otherwise an enjoyable experience. Each audience member is wired for sound. How else to hear every tiny giggle?
@MrUhwoody10 жыл бұрын
I really don't see that they would NEED to rig the show. What good doeth it?
@MrUhwoody10 жыл бұрын
Rooney was an actor with class.
@scotnick595 жыл бұрын
You are so righteth
@SlieveLeague19 ай бұрын
I was hoping Mr Daly would say "Purple trunks! They're maroon!"
@alanwhite9389 Жыл бұрын
Rooney once said, "I've been in movies all of my life. But it seems longer.". I've used that line about my own career as an entertainer for decades.
@elwoodziggurat3 жыл бұрын
I know 3 people who have met Rooney and they all said he was the rudest and most narcissistic celebrity they've ever met. My ex was one of those who met him at a convention and said there was hardly anyone in line, but when he got his autograph and said some compliment, Rooney ignored him and rudely said "yeah sure, next!" and did a "shove off" motion with his hand without even making eye contact as if there were like 50 other people waiting but there were only about 4...his fame from his youth definitely infected his thinking and I think he was very bitter about how hardly anyone knew about him after the 80s/90s and especially in the 2000s when he met him.
@TheProfessorpat Жыл бұрын
He and Jerry Lewis were equal contenders for the rudest, most narcissistic crown.
@audreydaleski1067 Жыл бұрын
Loveable.
@audreydaleski1067 Жыл бұрын
Adorable!
@carollee4442 жыл бұрын
Always enjoyed Mickey Rooney! Nice guy 😉
@Beson-SE9 жыл бұрын
Mickey Rooney signs in as "Joe Yule, Jr", his birth name. 16:42
@avlisk8 жыл бұрын
+Johan Bengtsson I recently saw a documentary on Mickey, and he said he always liked his birth name, and thought it was perfectly good to use in Hollywood. But he was forced to change it by the studios. I think he was never happy with the name change. Especially good this time of year (mid December 2015 as I write this).
@Beson-SE8 жыл бұрын
+avlisk I think 'Joe Yule' is a perfect name for a star, better than 'Mickey Rooney'.
@preppysocks2095 жыл бұрын
@@Beson-SE He was billed this way in a number of his early films, including I believe when he played the Clark Gable character as a boy in Manhattan Melodrama, the Dillinger-inspired movie that Dillinger went to see at the Biograph Theater in Chicago, where he was killed. Also, Rooney is hilarious in Thousands Cheer, where he plays the emcee and does terrific impressions of Gable and Rooney's former costar Lionel Barrymore.
@sleb994 жыл бұрын
preppy socks I believe he was a sprite in Midsummer Nights ‘s Dream, a 1935 film of Shakespeare’s play, as Puck when in his teens, 15 that year. He did a great soliloquy! It’s on KZbin.
@BrookeBullmasterStewart2 жыл бұрын
@@preppysocks209 Thanks for the info! One of my favorite parts about our growing WML family is the comments that are left here are Amazing. It’s so cool to read so much more about the guests than they show here. Of course, they go on to lead a (usually) long life after appearing here so there is much to say about their lives after WML. Thanks again!
@karenbyrne5423 Жыл бұрын
After all these years. So glad to watch wholesome entertaining shows.
@ChrisHansonCanada Жыл бұрын
John Daly should have held Mickey back for a minute for a chat. He was clearly trying to stretch it out at the end after Mickey departed. Mickey Rooney was washed up when he was beyond middle age, then made a comeback with "Sugar Babies" with Ann Miller, earning them both a fortune. He made bad investments and lost a great deal of those earnings.
@laurahoward5426 Жыл бұрын
Mickey Rooney once said, "I lost $2 at the racetrack, and spent $3,000,000 trying to get it back"
@conniecharley70865 жыл бұрын
Watching MICKEY ROONEY AND HIS WIFE JAN MADE ME CHUCKLE THEY WERE CUTE AND FUNNY THEIR WAYS TOGETHER.
@pukulu Жыл бұрын
Mickey Rooney was a small man but he was a giant in the world of entertainment.
@kaymccarthy76372 жыл бұрын
I used Shampoo w/egg by Helene Curtis.
@dinahbrown902 Жыл бұрын
😊
@audreydaleski1067 Жыл бұрын
He knows.
@josephcook4980 Жыл бұрын
The questions suggest the panel is given a clue as to the guest for the show. Not the order of the appearance of the guest. 50$ was a month rent in 62.
@yeahnoonecaresifyouarefirst4 ай бұрын
I laughed a little too hard when she said hello to her husband 😂 I'd like to meet them personally 😕 Ay Dios mio poco mas y se convierte en donald duck mr. Rooney 😂❤
@keithnaylor1981 Жыл бұрын
Mickey probably knew Judy Garland more than anyone else show business world.
@richrome98974 жыл бұрын
Legendary Stick Man
@m.e.d.79972 жыл бұрын
How did Dorothy zone in on the Warden so fast??
@laurahoward5426 Жыл бұрын
She is good
@SherryAnnOfTheWest Жыл бұрын
Mickey Rooney died owing medical bills and back taxes, his millions in earnings mismanaged by a stepson. His estate was valued at $18K - contributions were solicited from the public.
@allanshulstad17832 жыл бұрын
Shampoo with egg! Wash your hair and have breakfast at the same time.
@laurahoward5426 Жыл бұрын
My grandmother, born in 1896, used nothing but egg on her floor length hair
@louistracy696415 күн бұрын
Mr Regan, are you a sociopath?
@Hirsh9610 жыл бұрын
RIP
@dalebaker91092 жыл бұрын
Mickey was a great actor, but he looks old for 37.
@jaengen Жыл бұрын
Yes he looks 47 here.
@johnjones5424Ай бұрын
Didn't Garson and Pidgeon make more movies together than six?
@audreydaleski1067 Жыл бұрын
Who didn't live mickey roonie?
@walkergillette3918 Жыл бұрын
why was Mickey in such a rush to leave? was he double parked?
@Baskerville22 Жыл бұрын
Mickey was married 9 times.
@LarsRyeJeppesen6 жыл бұрын
Oh man, Dorothy asked a question, upon getting the answer promptly guessed Mickey Rooney... it was Martin Gabel's turn
@418-Error3 жыл бұрын
That's how the game works. The identity isn't a question.
@TheBlackhawkbrat Жыл бұрын
Also, he directed his comment about knowing who he is to Dorothy.
@boognish9995 жыл бұрын
An ignored "no" at 10:20
@saran32145 жыл бұрын
Bennett already got a no on that question at 9:45. Dorothy was asking rhetorically.
@laurahoward5426 Жыл бұрын
Warden of Joliet.....😬 YIKES
@kristabrewer93634 жыл бұрын
Did you hear Bennet's introduction of John? I noticed other shows where he sincerely tries to be funny. I like Bennet, but I think he tries to hard
@peternagy-im4be2 жыл бұрын
Many of these contestants are just plain dumb. Keep looking at Daly when even the most basic questions are asked about what they do.
@johnn29975 жыл бұрын
Mickey was a washed-up actress after the forties. He had to sell his bankrupt house in Saratoga Springs located on Circular street for a loss. Then he started selling crap life insurance to old people--scam-but it made him money and his 7th wife stayed with him as long as he had income. Mick was 5' 4'' tall standing.
@timothydouglas79494 жыл бұрын
??
@rogeroge504 жыл бұрын
Martin didn't stand all the way as Mickey shook hands. Wanted to see who was taller.
@accomplice553 жыл бұрын
Mickey was never an actress, washed-up or otherwise.
@peternagy-im4be2 жыл бұрын
Rooney was exactly 5'9"
@lllowkee6533 Жыл бұрын
There were rumors and tabloid photos claiming Mickey Rooney last wife abused him and beat him up.. he apparently spent all his money unwisely???
@accomplice553 жыл бұрын
Wow, Mickey is really annoying. Just answer "yes" or "no."
@markdenio453710 жыл бұрын
The first game sure seemed rigged. Dorothy jumps right in to the general area and Arlene continues.
@Cris4313010 жыл бұрын
The guest was promoting a book. That may have made it top of mind, but more likely, Dorothy was just playing along with the stereotype the guest projected. He did have the stern look of a disciplinarian about him.
@WhatsMyLine10 жыл бұрын
I've resigned myself to the fact that there will be a constant trickle of comments from folks who are utterly convinced the show was rigged.
@markdenio453710 жыл бұрын
I think there's a bit of a leap from my "the first game sure seemed" to calling me utterly convinced but you have to admit jumping right to the point is a little odd. Usually when people have an air about them the panelists note that. I have seen the panelists fail enough to know that not every contestant was known in advance. I have read that Bennett would study the Sunday paper to see who was coming to town and so forth to try and give him an edge on the mystery guests. Most of the time the guests' voices give them away. There's only so much disguising that can be done.
@WhatsMyLine10 жыл бұрын
What I said was that there's a constant trickle of comments from folks convinced the show was rigged. I wasn't referring specifically to *you*, Mark, but to the general trend of these same comments popping up pretty regularly now, and many of the people *are* utterly convinced. I certainly didn't mean for you to take my comment at all negatively, but it seems to me like you have (I hope I'm wrong on that). Back when they used to do the "free guess" before the questioning started, there were several occasions where one of the panelists guessed correctly right out the gate, short circuiting the entire segment. It may seem impossible without their having had help, but after so many segments over so many shows, unlikely things were bound to happen at one point or another. The bottom line point here is that it wouldn't have helped the entertainment value of the show in any way to give the panelists advance knowledge of the guests. I'd believe Gil Fates was possibly lying about this issue were it not for that fact, which convinces me completely. If the point of the show was to minimize the payouts to the contestants (absurd), or to make the panelists look as smart as possible (this was not "Information, Please"), then I could buy it. But the point of the show was to be entertaining.
@juliansinger8 жыл бұрын
+Mark DeNio OK, but Dorothy in fact had it wrong, you notice. But she got far enough along -- non-profit, so not business, worked out of uniform (so probably higher up the food chain), something to do with some kind of law, etc -- so Arlene /could/ clean up. Non-profit is certainly a broad category, but it does narrow down a lot.
@skippyzeig10 жыл бұрын
After seeing a number of these shows, I have to say that it's rigged. The panelists too often make sudden highly improbable deductions about who the guest celebrity panelist is by just asking general questions. Then, with hardly any specific or noteworthy evidence to specify who it might be, a panelist has a remarkable epiphany and correctly "guesses" the name of the star while blindfolded. They must know who it is beforehand, or at least one of them does.
@skippyzeig10 жыл бұрын
And they do this so suddenly--it's probably rigged so the show doesn't go on too long.
@spactick9 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. There's absolutely no way in the world they could have known who Walter Brennan was by simply hearing his voice. And there's been several other mystery guests that the panelists could 'no way in the world' have known who it was based on the responses or their voices.
@tommykl9 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, it wasn't rigged. However, they did apparently study which celebrity was in New York at that time, which movies were playing, etc. in order to get the list down to a few names.
@spactick9 жыл бұрын
tommykl as far as 'you' know? ha! oh really? it doesn't take much investigative talents to see that these shows were more about entertaining than being honest. In some of them (Mickey Mantle, Ricky Nelson, Joe E. Brown) the guests don't even bother to disguise their voice. Probably because they didn't want to be part of the farce.
@boognish9999 жыл бұрын
spactick I don't think it was "entertaining" if they guessed the celebrity right away so I'm not sure why that would help the entertainment value of the show. And it WAS often known what celebrities were in town at the time and that they were promoting a film or other show.They all followed the entertainment world very closely especially Dorothy who wrote a daily show business column in a New York newspaper for crying out loud.