What's My Line? - Ray Milland; PANEL: Tony Randall, Helen Gurley Brown (Nov 21, 1965)

MYSTERY GUEST: Ray Milland
PANEL: Arlene Francis, Tony Randall, Helen Gurley Brown, Bennett Cerf
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[@cam21333]

His Oscar-winning performance in The Lost Weekend is one of THE greatest performances of all time.

[@SR-iy4gg]

He was so convincing that I've read that many actually believed he really was an alcoholic. Probably the same people who, somehow, thought that Clint Eastwood really worked for National Geographic after The Bridges of Madison County movie came out.

[@satori03]

AND The Uninvited

[@jimhenderson9173]

@@satori03 Thanks for mentioning The Uninvited. Best ghost story ever made.

[@leesher1845]

Funny response from Tony Randall regarding Ray Milland’s wife, and true what he said about Bennett Cerf who was so flirtatious.

[@debbiereynolds9276]

Tony Randall has the most incredible sense of humor. What a hoot. He is so enjoyable with the panel.

[@jubalcalif9100]

He was well known for being a very witty fellow.

[@Apb23]

I agree... I think he’s my favorite. And was ingenious in an 80’s Sunday night Disney movie called “Sunday Drive”. A family favorite ... You can find it on you tube. Another big name in that movie is Carrie Fisher! So great.

[@SR-iy4gg]

My whole family used to watch those movies. My dad recorded that particular one. We must have watched it a hundred times. I still remember parts of it.@@Apb23

[@kentetalman9008]

My favorite guest panelist.

[@ddkoda]

Ray Milland , one class act.

[@dinahbrown902]

Helen sure improved with time. Dang she looks so silly with that old crooked bow🤣

[@leesher1845]

Sad without Dorothy.

[@josephlacerra8433]

Ray Milland received the Best Performance by an Actor Oscar for his work in The Lost Weekend.

[@jubalcalif9100]

He did indeed !

[@satori03]

amazing life story

[@Kmac005]

I've already seen this comment inside the thread, but I do find it interesting that Ray Milland didn't really seem to disguise his voice at all, yet it still took the panel a little while to recognize him. I find it interesting because it seems from the audience's reaction after he first spoke that they knew he wasn't trying to disguise it. So if they could hear him clearly....

[@loissimmons6558]

Commonalities between Helen Gurley Brown and Dorothy Kilgallen: > both were writers for publication > both worked for Hearst publications > both were somewhat controversial > both were successful and influential in a field dominated at the time by men > hair bows

[@JanetM-ro6xc]

About John Daly' s baby girl: She is part of his second group of children whose vivacious mother was Chief Justice Earl Warren's socialite daughter. Thanks to her California heritage ( San Francisco),they had a house in St. Helena in the Napa Valley. Virginia Warren Daly was a graduate of UC Berkeley .

[@soulierinvestments]

As to John's non seasonal definition of turkeys, you will recall that years before when WML faced another turkey grower Dorothy blurted out, "We have turkey the year round" and Arlene replied, "Yes. But you are rich!"

[@danielfronc4304]

soulierinvestments Our family eats turkey from the deli (ie.sliced), for lunch and dinner, as a 3 stacker bread and turkey with gravy over it, and as turkey hamburger. Different times, obviously.

[@lynnedonaldson4010]

I remember that one

[@dinahbrown902]

Turkey is quite economical. So many different types of meals and healthy too 😊

[@SR-iy4gg]

I eat turkey year round. It's my favorite meat. I eat ground turkey instead of beef for hamburger. It sits better in my stomach than beef.

[@terryniblett9329]

Not the same without Dorothy!!

[@scottpardee6303]

I agree. It’s a tragedy, for her as well as for this show.

[@dinahbrown902]

Government

[@halkahn5035]

She was the best panelist

[@shuroom57]

Another era.

[@VahanNisanian]

And so it begins. The post-Dorothy era of "What's My Line?" Helen Gurley Brown took over Cosmopolitan Magazine a few years back by Liberating it, wrote "Sex and the Single Girl", and is regarded as a champion of Woman's rights.

[@cosmotopperIII]

For a second I feared Little Bo Peep had invaded the set. What a strange look. And Tony Randall seemed intent on rattling her throughout with comments like 'The weaker sex' - what odd behaviour.

[@dinahbrown902]

Seemed to be a very good person 😊

[@Dolphin-cb9sq]

What a pleasure to watch these shows!

[@ivangranger8494]

Splendid, show.

[@VahanNisanian]

2:06 Awwwww, so bittersweet. Sad Dorothy never got to live to see this.

[@davidarcudi230]

Most recognizable voice!

[@soulierinvestments]

Randall is very funny tonight.

[@petemarshall8094]

A few months after this show a traffic warden in London gave a parking ticket to Paul McCartney and was immortalized a year later in “Lovely Rita, Meter Maid”. And her name wasn’t even Rita. The panel would likely have had fun with lovely Eileen, Meter Maid if she had only appeared nearer the end of the series. BTW - we didn’t have Meter Maids in the UK back then, just Traffic Wardens. McCartney was aiming at the American market. But this term, and many others, has been catching on in the UK these past 54 years.

[@AnnA-ge9iw]

Thank you Pete Marshall for that bit of Beatles trivia 😀

[@MrJoeybabe25]

The audience groaned with good reason when Ray Milland spoke. He didn't hide distinctive voice at all.

[@Beson-SE]

Maybe he made it easy to be recognized so as not being looked upon as a "has-been"?

[@jacquelinebell6201]

He said that the last time he was on they guessed him even with a Spanish accent. Guess he felt there wasn't a point I disguising it. He was too well known.

[@jacquelinebell6201]

Tony hit the nail on the head when he said Bennett admired e ery woman on earth!😂😂😂

[@jamesfeldman4234]

Regarding the Ray Milland guest segment, experienced "What's My Line" viewers can tell that Bennett Cerf recognized Ray Milland's voice early on (before Ray attempted to better disguise it), but he chose not to specifically ask so early in the game. Instead, Bennett asked Ray is he was especially famous for "one particular picture," and then smiled when Ray answered in the affirmative, confirming that he was correct.

[@rmelin13231]

Yes, I kind of caught that too. I thought he was going to blurt out the name right then. According to Gil Fates' book, Bennett was inclined to spend hours, or even days, reading up on who was in town, just so he might have a shot at guessing the MG.

[@leesher1845]

It was nice of Arlene to say that the meter maids are doing a great job, Especially since she guessed it so soon.

[@davidsanderson5918]

I think Arlene was thinking of Van Johnson when she asked Ray Milland about his wife. Especially as Tony asked if he was blonde and she was audibly surprised to hear he wasn't.

[@moniquelacosta5170]

He looks like the Man With The X-Ray Eyes. Everyone thinks about the Classic, The Lost Weekend. He made 100's of great films. I saw him in person when he made Hostile Witness in Philadelphia. I spoke to him and he did not believe that as a 12 year old in 1966, I was a die hard fan of his films. He looked at me as though I told a fib and said "young lady". I named a long list of his films and he was so surprised because all others who came to see him were very old ladies. Ray Milland is a treasure and he should have more recognition as a Great Classic Actor.

[@truerosie]

He was The Man With The XRay Eyes!

[@mikejschin]

This is the second episode in a row in which Bennett mentions the Northeastern blackout. The power failure occurred just after 5:00 in the afternoon on November 9, 1965, and affected over 30 million people, including most of New York City. Power was restored after 13 hours, which was probably small comfort to the 800,000 people stranded on the subway.

[@magnificentfailure2390]

Strangely enough, Forestburg, Texas is located very close to Denton, Texas where my wife and I had our Honeymoon Home. In the late 1980's, Forestburg was in dire straits and the whole community was up for sale. If we had felt like committing to a quarter-million dollars in debt, we could have had the whole downtown. The electronics bulge of the '90's took care of that, but for a brief period, anything was possible.

[@leesher1845]

Funny segment on eyelashes!

[@leesher1845]

Handwriting was so nice back then. I really want to see schools bring cursive back.

[@betsybeard9346]

It always looks like the sign-ins must be generated by Photoshop or something, which is of course impossible.

[@bambi274]

Its not in schools anymore?

[@SR-iy4gg]

We DO teach cursive.

[@SR-iy4gg]

Yes, it is. I've been teaching over 20 years. We still teach cursive.@@bambi274

[@mikemillwood1428]

what about ray in 'the man with the xray eyes' a masterpiece

[@soulierinvestments]

H G Brown showed up on WML a number of times 1965-67.

[@georgemoore7186]

I would have got Ray Milland as soon as he opened his mouth to answer the first Question, he has one of the most distinctive voices in show business and did not try to disguise it

[@sdkelmaruecan2907]

23:45 that scared the hell out of me

[@michaeldanello3966]

Sdk ElMaruecan: what?, the flash of the commercial?

[@brunoantony3218]

I would've recognized Milland immediately.

[@loissimmons6558]

At the opening of the show after Bennett announces that John Daly has become the father of a baby girl, John talks about how lovely his daughter's are. Then he talks to Mrs. (Helen Gurley) Brown. Seven months earlier, Herman's Hermits released a song that had the order of those topics reversed, a song that eventually hit #1 in the U.S. "Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Daughter". kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3KUpp6kiJ59na8 Of course in this case, Helen was Mrs. Brown's daughter-in-law.

[@VahanNisanian]

0:21 is missing, due to an advertisement from Kool Cigarettes. Two shows were done on November 21. This one, and immediately before this one, the December 12, 1965 show. Also, from this point on, ALL surviving Live episodes retain the word "Live" in the opening.

[@soulierinvestments]

Praise be. I could not figure out what was going through either G-T's corporate head or CBS's devious mind to go around hacking out all those "lives."

[@loissimmons6558]

Weird to drop in an advertisement of any kind into the middle of the opening theme.

[@betsybeard9346]

Is there a version of WML that keeps commercials? How to find it?

[@Beson-SE]

Bennett Cerf stepping on his wife's false eyelash and thinking it was a caterpillar. 13:18 Arlene seemed to be very interested in knowing more of false eyelashes. :)

[@savethetpc6406]

Johan Bengtsson I remember another episode with a contestant whose product was false eyelashes, when Arlene admitted that she used and liked the contestant's brand, I think. There certainly were times on the show that Arlene looked to be wearing false eyelashes, (including the one I just mentioned), but in this episode, I don't think she was wearing them.

[@jacquelinebell6201]

All the ladies did. Dorothy wore huge eyelashes regularly.

[@Traderjoe]

Ray Milland always reminded me of Jimmy Stewart with glasses on.

[@neilmidkiff]

Unusual but trivial coincidence, at least if I caught the names correctly: the first contestant owned the Gobble HOLLER Farm; the second contestant was named Richard H. OLLER. If he hadn't specified his middle initial, of course, this wouldn't have been noticeable.

[@rharvey2124]

Thanks for pointing that out and a good catch. The WML staff LOVED doing things such as that.

[@washoe4827]

maybe holler is slang for hollow ?

[@rharvey2124]

@@washoe4827 Or maybe the actual farm name was Gobble Hollow Farm and the WML staff told him to pronounce that way to fit in with their inside joke?

[@Gwaithmir]

I live on Mt. Gobble in Chester, Mass.

[@jimclark6256]

Sometimes the panel appears to guess the job a little to easily.

[@CoxJoxSox]

Funny to see Helen Gurley Brown with a bow in her hair - haha

[@jubalcalif9100]

That bow is a hoot and looks completely foolish on her !

[@asteverino8569]

Loved seeing Mrs. Brown on this panel.

[@romeman01]

It is being reported today that Bess Myerson, a regular panelist on the allied Goodson-Todman I've Got a Secret program, has passed on at the age of 90. She had a rather checkered career, I discover to my surprise.

[@jamesr1703]

Did anyone else notice that the tag on the back of Arlene's dress is sticking up?

[@MyMaddieRose]

I believe it's a bow. There's a trim around the neckline, and it ties in a bow at the back of the neck.

[@Apb23]

I thought it was a stiff hanger of some sort! Odd looking!

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I wonder if Dorothy had died while they were break would they have come back the next week to memorialize her, or let the episodes run with Dorothy without comment. Or something in between.

[@jmccracken1963]

Interesting question, considering the kefuffle over the week's worth of syndicated WML? episodes with Bennett Cert as a panelist - episodes which were "in the can" but had not yet aired at the time Bennett Cerf died.

[@sanseifromkofu728]

Tony is on one tonight.

[@davidsanderson5918]

From a distance that guest panellist looks like she's got a bone on her head. Like one of the women on The Flintstones.

[@davidsanderson5918]

You just know that there will've been people out there DAFT ENOUGH to write to Daly in thinking they'd get sent a cigar!!

[@washoe4827]

maybe "would've"...?

[@VahanNisanian]

Mrs. Brown did a great job in her first go-around as guest panelist.

[@jubalcalif9100]

Yes she did, though lets hope she left that silly looking bow at home during the next appearance !

[@washoe4827]

@@jubalcalif9100 small things amuse small minds...

[@loissimmons6558]

For almost the entire episode, Helen Gurley Brown's appearance in this episode reminded me of someone else. It was driving me crazy because it was so close but I couldn't put my finger on it. It was the official music video of a song released exactly 20 years and one day after this episode of WML originally aired. It's a song about a young single woman (a single girl if you will, to go along with the title of HGB's best selling book; the person singing it was 22 years old at the time) who is wondering about a man's attraction to her. Ironically the singer of this very popular song would also marry someone with the last name "Brown". And although HGB is 41 years older, both she and the singer died in 2012 (the singer in February and HGB in August). The women don't look much alike, but their outfits and accessories do. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2SQmYxjndGbeMk Helen Gurley Brown transformed "Cosmo;politan" from a stodgy literary magazine into a magazine that appealed to the same age range and gender that comprised much of Whitney Houston's fan base when "How Will I Know" came out. Surprisingly I could find no instance of Whitney appearing in Cosmo while she was alive. I could only find a posthumous feature on her: pictures of her in her 20's.

[@robertfiller8634]

Lois, your encyclopedic knowledge of sports and entertainment and your almost obsessive attention to minute detail is truly mind boggling, especially with sports. I recall reading one of your comments which went on almost ad infinitum about a baseball game, as I recall it was between the Dodgers and Giants in the early 1950s. You gave an inning by inning synopsis, with pitch counts, describing what batters did in each plate appearance, etc etc. What is your source for such info?

[@loissimmons6558]

@@robertfiller8634 When I give that much detail, most of it probably comes from Retrosheet. I was only an infant in the early 50's so I would not have a direct memory of it, but if the game was important, I may remember other things I read about it from other sources. The earliest game I have direct memories of is a Dodger-Giant game I attended with my family at the Polo Grounds in September 1957. It was a few month before my 5th birthday and I was about to start kindergarten. (I also remember how we got there on the subway,. The NYC subways are another passion of mine. A career in urban planning/civil engineering to design rail systems and roads was what I originally went to college for.)

[@AnnA-ge9iw]

Lois Simmons, I do so enjoy reading your comments. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into sharing them with us ❤

[@dinahbrown902]

Now in 2022 Cosmopolitan isn’t what it was with Helen. My 17 year old granddaughter had an issue and she didn’t really care for it. I mentioned I used to have a subscription back in the 70s and I really liked it. Talked to her about Helen and she was so interested she googled her. The magazine isn’t what it once was

[@Beson-SE]

Gary, at what time do you post your WML shows? I mean what local time is it by you? Here in Sweden it's now 11 PM and I shall go to sleep in just a few minutes. Mostly I watch these shows before going to work, sometimes I have to wait until after work which means ca 16-17 hours after the shows have been posted. :)

[@VahanNisanian]

Johan Bengtsson Both Gary and myself live in California, about 300 miles away between us. He usually posts at 2:00 p.m. Pacific.

[@Beson-SE]

***** Ok thank you and good night!

[@cyndifoore7743]

Helen Brown certainly doesn’t look like an editor for Cosmopolitan. The Turkey lady looks more appropriate for the role.

[@jubalcalif9100]

Ha ! Very good ! I have a notion to second that emotion ! That ribbon is totally ludicrous !

[@sandrageorge3488]

She looks like a little kid.

[@leesher1845]

Meek, mild voice? I didn’t think it sounded weak and mild.

[@soulierinvestments]

Last game. Second time that Bennett asked if a contestant were associated with the Great Blackout of 1965. Now really. That would have looked great on live TV -- so and so from Niagara Falls "PERSON WHO FLIPPED THE WRONG SWITCH AND BLACKED OUT THE NORTH EAST."

[@jmccracken1963]

But that would have been more like something that you'd see on "I've Got A Secret" rather than "What's My Line?"

[@rharvey2124]

Have you seen the Doris Day film made about that NYC blackout. Where Were You When the Lights Went Out? That was the movie's name.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

William O. Douglas associate justice of the Supreme Court was on WML sometime after the time we're in, but John could not convince his father in law, Earl Warren, the Chief Justice to come on. That would have been a hoot!

[@VahanNisanian]

Joe Postove Earl Warren was on the program. Sadly, it is lost. www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/episode-69-92874/

[@MrJoeybabe25]

***** That must be before he joined the court and his daughter joined John, no? Maybe when he was governor of California. Do you know the date, Vahan?

[@VahanNisanian]

Joe Postove Earl Warren was Attorney General from 1939 to 1943. Then he was Governor from 1943 to 1953, and 14th US Chief Justice from 1953 to 1969. Virginia Warren married Daly in 1960.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

***** He also ran as candidate for vice president with Thomas Dewey in 1948. Having two governors on the same ticket is even less common. Only six teams of governors or former governors have been victorious, and none since 1912, when the Democratic governors of New Jersey and Indiana, Woodrow Wilson and Thomas R. Marshall, were elected.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

***** Caution! Not political but historical!!!! Earl Warren, I think it is forgotten, was hated by many on the extreme right. Google "impeach Earl Warren" and you'll find the stuff they say about Obama somewhat mild. But this comes from both sides. The left used to call Ronald Reagan "Ronald Ray-Gun". Again, not political but, an interesting historical overview. I hope I'm OK.

[@lorddalek]

Arlene, Bennett, and John still seem a little shaken up from the events of the previous two weeks at this point.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

As she got older I think Helen Gurley Brown resembled Gloria Swanson. Here she looks like what happened to Baby Jane, huh?

[@jazzvampire]

Yes! Maybe it's the bobbed hairstyle? Honestly, though, my first thought after her entrance was "Madam, what ARE you wearing?!" I doubt Gloria would've worn that getup...well, okay, probably the hair bow.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Elsie M. She was in her early 40's there trying to shave off some years. She was dressed like a kid. AND she was the editor of Cosmopolitan. Hmmmmmmm.

[@windstorm1000]

Mr. Milland did not disguise his famous smooth British voice well enough---

[@michaeldanello3966]

windstorm1000 He was Welsh not English

[@jubalcalif9100]

I can't understand why you didn't bother much to disguise his very distinctive voice ! He made it a "growl" a few times but mostly he replied in his regular voice. The only time I ever saw him in the 60s wearing glasses !

[@hunterluxton5976]

There is no such thing as a " British" voice, I'm always amazed when Americans use this odd term. There are English, or Scottish or Welsh voices, not never British. Ray was Welsh, but had a mid Atlantic accent to us. He sounded quite American.

[@ADAMSIXTIES]

OMG, I actually thought it was Jimmy Stewart

[@michaeldanello3966]

I know that I am looking back but Helen Gurley Brown's ribbon is ridiculous...and I have always felt that way about grown women. It's fine and appealing on little girls.

[@smithsmith9379]

I just looked her up and calculated that she was 43 years old on this program. I'm not sure how popular hair ribbons were with grown women in general back then, but it definitely proves that styles change!

[@virginiahanna869]

It looks particularly ridiculous the way she is wearing it across her forehead like a bandage. It draws attention to her long and unattractive face.

[@jubalcalif9100]

You speak the truth, Kemo Sabe ! I am no expert on fashion but I have to agree with you ! That ribbon is childish and looks totally ridiculous on her !

[@marnie0512]

Yes, it's not exactly what you'd expect from a self-proclaimed feminist.

[@bettycogswell9851]

I totally agree....

[@soulierinvestments]

Ray Milland, unfortunately, does not get remembered as he should. His career went from no-kidding 1929 to 1984. It is true that Billy Wilder's "Lost Weekend" is landmark, but Hitchcock used him well in "Dial M For Murder." Big Broadcast of 1937, Beau Geste, Lady in the Dark, It Happens Every Spring, Rhubarb, Love Story, Escape to Witch Mountain, Battlestar Galactica.

[@2508bona]

And who could forget (however much they tried) his costarring turn with Rosey Grier as The Thing with Two Heads!

[@Beson-SE]

Chris Barat Or his role in "Frogs" from 1972. :) Both movies were made the same year and both movies are often listed as among "The Worst Films of All Time".

[@Kmac005]

I would add "The Uninvited" (1944) to the list as certainly one of the greatest ghost story movies ever produced. It is a timeless classic and Ray seems perfectly suited for the title role. A great film if you get the chance to watch it.

[@jess4metoo]

soulierinvestments I was so impressed with him in Salem's Lot. True classic Hollywood actor.

[@Beson-SE]

Don't you mean James Mason?

[@soulierinvestments]

Helen Gurley Brown. The first candidate to replace Dorothy Kilgallen. Apparently G-T must have hoped to find another professional sophisticate writer type. I wonder what it would have taken in 1965-6 to convince someone of her stature to give it an hour and a half EVERY Sunday night starting around 9:45 pm for makeup.

[@stuartharris2165]

Quite surprised they tried to replace Dorothy so quickly, thought Kitty Carlisle may have stood in for a few more weeks. Certainly HGB was better than Suzy Knickerbocker.

[@ivangranger8494]

We went from turkeys in politics, to Traitors.

[@Sheila02181]

Oliver Barrett III!

[@hollingbourne]

Lovely Ray Molland deja vu x

[@geoffm9944]

Bennett as usual did his homework. He would throughly research the newspapers and magazines as to was in town. I liked Bennett but too often the celebrity guest was identified far too quickly, hence the audience was deprived of the guest entertaining the TV audience.

[@taraxacum]

Bennett did ask if the product had something to do with spectacles or eyelashes or something like that and John gave him a no, which was wrong and threw the panel off for quite a while.

[@preppysocks209]

no, Bennett asked if he could exclude glasses and eyelashes, and as is often the case with Bennett, John said no.

[@taraxacum]

@@preppysocks209 Now that I've replayed it I see.

[@danielfronc4304]

I have a small smart phone and need new glasses but is that guest panelist wearing a bone in her hair?

[@michaeldanello3966]

Daniel Fronc I thought it looked riduculous

[@smithsmith9379]

Haha it's quite a bow!

[@QuadMochaMatti]

It wasn't Wilma Flintstone or Betty Rubble...

[@jubalcalif9100]

@@QuadMochaMatti HA !! Yabba Dabba Do...thanks for the funny comment !!

[@gabrioxxx]

Is Milland wearing a hairpiece?

[@zeldasmith6154]

Yes. He's wearing a toupee.

[@randylovering24]

the cigarettes ads were eliminated

[@TheBraveIntrovert]

Ray looks so different here.

[@soulierinvestments]

It must have been for John Daly a time to really contemplate the meaning of life what with the unexpected untimely death of his WML associate Dorothy one week and the birth of a daughter the next week. [ Remember the opening of "Ben Casey"? Male female birth death infinity ] As for his comment about his producing gorgeous daughters despite his worn out old visage or words to that effect: well, with his visage he does not produce daughters.

[@danielfronc4304]

soulierinvestments None of us are guaranteed tomorrow.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

The first contestant may have been 35 or so, but the Mrs. Robinson's of the world have it all over the Barbi Benton's (not putting down Barbi, rather elevating the mature ladies we all love).

[@savethetpc6406]

Joe Postove FYI, Joe: Barbi Benton is almost 65 years old.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

SaveThe TPC 65 is the new 45. So she's on board my love train!

[@TheBraveIntrovert]

How many kids did John have? I think he mentioned at least 4.

[@jmccracken1963]

6 total. 3 from his marriage to Margaret Griswell Neal (two sons, John Neal Daly and John Charles Daly III, and a daughter, Helene Grant Daly), and 3 from his marriage to Virginia Warren (again, two sons, John Warren Daly and John Earl Jameson Daly, and a daughter, Nina Elisabeth Daly).

[@Traderjoe]

Helen must have been restraining herself at Tony’s weaker sex comment 😂

[@simeonbaumel7293]

Was that "Sex and the Single Gurley (Brown)"?

[@amypatton6730]

Milland didn't seem to address the ladies on the panel when leaving.

[@ivangranger8494]

I believe he was having a problem looking down, because of his glasses. He seemed to get them into focus slower than straight on, shaking the men’s hands. He reacted, but slower.

[@JayTemple]

It's kind of ironic that Helen Gurley Brown, of all women, would be the one I've seen listed as "Mrs.", rather than the convention of "Miss Kilgallen", "Miss Francis", etc.

[@savethetpc6406]

JayTemple She was "Mrs. Brown" because Brown was her husband's last name, and she used it. Perhaps if her original last name of Gurley had sounded less like "girlie," she, as a liberated woman of her time, would have opted to keep it as a last name, as Dorothy kept hers, instead of using it as a middle name. It was common even then for female performers to keep whatever name had made them famous. Francis was actually Arlene's middle name, but Arlene Francis had more of a showbiz ring to it than Arlene Kazanjian. ;)

[@lauriecwik7944]

I was surprise Helen wasn't going by as MS

[@savethetpc6406]

Laurie Grommon. "Ms." didn't come into common usage until the early 1970s, I think, but I was surprised to find out when I did some research on it that the term "Ms." was actually coined much earlier than that. (I did the research in response to someone thinking they heard a WML contestant tell John she preferred to be called Ms. on an episode from the early 60s or even late 50s, I think. I forgot who the contestant was or what episode it was, and I don't feel like repeating the research at the moment, but if I'm remembering correctly, I think the term "Ms." was coined by secretaries wanting a way to address women whose marital status was unknown to them, and it was first used much earlier than I would have thought but did not become commonly used or accepted until many years later.) Still, you have a point. If *anybody* in 1965 was going to go by "Ms.," Helen Gurley Brown seems a likely candidate.

[@DLAN-jb3hb]

+SaveThe TPC To my recollection. Ms. was used in the very early 70's, because of the women's lib movement.

[@rharvey2124]

@@savethetpc6406 MS was used by some women in the 1700s and or 1800s - not sure of which since that was many years back when I learned it.

[@shuroom57]

Ah, so nice to come back to these What's My Line episodes and bask in a more civil time, when people were nicer to each other, at least on this program. Eeeeyeah, okay; back to 2024. (P..S. : don't bother with any race-baiting replies here; I won't answer them, because I know about all that stuff)

[@Mollexi]

Ray Milland looks like Jimmy Stewart! 😃

[@ImnotNorm]

moldalxx especially in dial m for murder

[@ImnotNorm]

moldalxx a mix of Stewart and Cary grant here.

[@Beson-SE]

Arlene: Do you have a beautiful wife that Bennett has admired enormously? Tony: What's he's going to say, no? 16:26 It's a strange question which leads to nothing. What married man would answer "no"? And if he did it's either a bachelor or someone not connected to Bennett (and how would a Mystery Guest know if Bennett admires his wife or not?!). A flattering question of course but only to *the* person Arlene had in mind.

[@dinahbrown902]

They pump each other’s egos alot

[@lindaroper2654]

This is the lest I've seen the women on the panel not be real dressed up.

[@TheBraveIntrovert]

Eyelashes are hair....They should have given that to Arlene.

[@alanfollett6242]

+Purple Capricorn But at 12:44, the contestant specifies that his product is made of synthetic fibers, not real hair.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Tony's play UTBU ran for 7 performances once it reached Broadway.

[@soulierinvestments]

and he mentioned the theatrical definition of Turkeys in this episode. Prophetic, it turned out.

[@JanetM-ro6xc]

John Daly's comment about " getting more civilized" is a nice dream.

[@rapunzelz5520]

I like Helen G Brown, but that bow in the hair !!! Really?

[@drumbum3.142]

If it's just me, I'm Absolutely Totally Fine with that but the first Panelist has certain similarities to Hermione Gingold.. O.o And I've *NEVER* Come Across Anyone that (has) resembled her before (!).. o.o O.O

[@yeahnoonecaresifyouarefirst]

Oh wow helen looks good here..... There are some people who shouldn't wear that hairstyle however..... I had a pastor in my church once who showed up with a similar style..... I almost told her to go back to her groomer..... Yes i said groomer..... As in dogs You can't curl eyelashes? Gee i wonder what lash curlers do 🤔

[@taraxacum]

Tony Randall and his comments about the sexes. On a previous show he referred to men as the superior sex, now women are the weaker sex! Oh Tony Tony Tony. At least he admitted that nothing really mattered in his life anymore!

[@hathawayalfred6084]

Why does he say "I'll take it out and see" when they ask him if he's blond? Is he wearing a wig, or something?

[@jamesjoyce9207]

+Hathaway Alfred He says "I'll take it OFF and see"..and Ray Milland made no secret of his toupee, he appeared in many films without it

[@hathawayalfred6084]

+james joyce Really? He was one of the most atractive fellas in old Hollywood anyway.

[@RoderickEtheria]

So, wait, back then, turkeys didn't have something to do with politics? Back then, turkeys didn't have something to do once a year with politics, specifically that a turkey or a few turkeys each year get pardoned?

[@lindaroper2654]

Milland look like jimmy Stewart.

[@lynnedonaldson4010]

Ok not to be critical because I love this show, however what is with the bow Helen is wearing? Reminds me a little of Minnie Mouse. It is not attract at all

[@neilphelan145]

Bennett Cerf would know Turkey's since he's the biggest turkey on TV.

[@travis7310]

Ray Milland looked a lot like Jimmy Stewart. Put them together, and it's very hard to distinguish who's who.

[@robertfiller8634]

Absolute nonsense. They look nothing alike.

[@travis7310]

@@robertfiller8634 Many people have said that for years. My mom even said she couldn't tell sometimes. I have to agree.

[@moniquelacosta5170]

RM looks nothing like James Stewart. They had the same stylist in the Hitchcock films and wore their hair the same way. So every one says they look alike. They only had the same wardrobe and stylist.

[@AndrewMacLaine]

Haha, it's interesting how John Daly semi-sarcastically remarks about the public becoming more civilized, when in the same episode T.Randall makes a sexist faux-pas (and not for the first time!) and audience members wolf whistle a blonde guest, but strangely not a brunette one that arguably is just as cute with a nice figure!

[@dinahbrown902]

Oh if only people were still comfortable with cat calls. Woman don’t need to be protected from language - that’s what’s sexist.

[@williamsecor7745]

Helen Gurley Brown looked ridiculous, had ridiculous ideas, "published" a garbage publication. Putting her on this panel with the likes of Bennet Cerf and Arlene Francis was an obscenity

[@WhatsMyLine]

I'm guessing you must really love the episode with Hugh Hefner on the panel, too.

[@rharvey2124]

@@WhatsMyLine OH! I've not seen that one. Is it posted?

[@gailsirois7175]

That's your RIDICULOUS opinion

[@MM-fr9yh]

Never liked Helen not so girly Brown.

[@davidcondon4211]

Tony Randall is intensely unlikeable

[@ivangranger8494]

Disagree. He had a great sense of humor, and the same in acting.

[@kentetalman9008]

He's always been my favorite guest panelist.