What's My Line? - Steve Lawrence & Eydie Gorme; Frank Gifford [panel] (Sep 27, 1964)

MYSTERY GUEST: Steve Lawrence & Eydie Gorme
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Frank Gifford, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
NOTE: The Sept 20, 1964 episode is thought to be lost.

[@waynebrasler]

Eydie was a cheerleader and voted Most School Spirit in high school. She was very popular but also an outstanding student. She lived at home with momma and daddy until she married Steve. Yes, the marriage was very happy. They really embraced life and were active in many good causes.

[@tommacdonald7990]

I found the couple a little too saccharine. See what SCTV or MadTV does with them in their, "I hate you!" sketch.

[@gbrumburgh]

I worked backup for Steve and Eydie once upon a time in Vegas. A marvelous comedian as well as singer, Steve was the serious one who prepped the show and made sure everything was in order. They were grand entertainment.

[@philippapay4352]

@@gbrumburgh You are so right about Steve's gifts as a comedic actor and a singer. Eydie was internationally respected selling albums in both English and Spanish worldwide throughout their careers solo & separate. People know "Steve & Eydie."

[@shadowgirl8038]

@@tommacdonald7990 No thank you. There is enough hate and yuck in the world. Steve and Eydie had class and dignity. Hard to find that in today's world.

[@rmelin13231]

@@shadowgirl8038 Good response, and I agree with you.

[@username178able]

I absolutely love these episodes! And Frank Gifford was sooo handsome! Wow! The panelists were all so charming, I would have loved to meet them, they seemed to have such interesting exciting lives.

[@dashriprock3468]

This was the exact day I was born...9/27/64...woo hoo! I can't believe how young Frank Gifford looks!!

[@magnificentfailure2390]

Dash Riprock You say it's your birthday? It's my birthday, too! (Sorry about the Beatles riff, but it's true. Howdy, Birthday Buddy!)

[@battlegirldeb]

Funny thing is Franks current wife Kathie Lee had just started the six grade when this show came on the first time.

[@magnificentfailure2390]

I finally stumbled across this one! Broadcast shortly after I was born, 9:54 pm, 9/27/64. I bet my Mom didn't tune in. :)

[@dinahbrown902]

She was sleeping 😊

[@alskndlaskndal]

We saw so much of Steve Lawrence on the show... nice to see Eydie too this time. The meter maid contestant seemed really charming, not just in looks. Too bad we didn't get to spend more time with her.

[@sdacj]

Love how when a question is asked and answered and John says so many down and so many to go, the panelist says "is that a yes or no?" Well if it was a yes he wouldn't be flipping a card!

[@c0mputer]

Yes, they never really got the hang of that. Maybe they couldn’t hear him as well as the home audience could.

[@dinahbrown902]

Irritating isn’t it

[@debbigray1752]

I'm thinking the panel are concentrating on what question to ask next and on solving the puzzle...and letting John keep score...a lot going on

[@2508bona]

People in Philadelphia were no doubt watching this through a film of tears. The '64 Phillies were in the midst of their infamous collapse. And, as I recall, the Giants wound up falling apart that year, as well, ending their string of three successive appearances (as well as five out of six) in the NFL championship game. They would not get back on their feet for almost two decades.

[@loissimmons6558]

On 9/27/64, Johnny Callison of the Phillies hit 3 home runs and the Phillies still lost, 14-8, to the Braves. This was the day they fell out of first place. It was their 7th straight loss, all of which came at home. They then went to St. Louis and lost three more, eliminating them from the pennant race. They then went to Cincinnati and beat them in both games, eliminating the Reds from winning the pennant (the Phillies and Reds ended up tied for second, one game back). It was hollow revenge for the Phillies. It was a 1-0 loss to the Reds at Connie Mack Stadium that started the losing streak. The Reds won on a steal of home by super sub, Chico Ruiz, with the Reds best hitter, Frank Robinson (who died 2 days ago) at the plate. Phillies manager Gene Mauch went insane after the losing on what would normally be a bonehead play, risking a steal of home with two outs and your team's best hitter at the plate (and one of the best hitters in baseball, a future member of the Hall of Fame in his prime). But it's also the case that the Phillies were shut out by a mediocre pitcher, John Tsitouris, with a losing record. The story goes the Mauch totally lost control of his emotions after this loss and panicked. It started his reputation as a manager very good at developing a winning team out of young talent but not able to bring them to a championship because he would toss his strategic ability out the window in the heat of a pennant race.

[@preppysocks209]

A member of the 1964 Phillies once told me that he never saw any other team that was so afraid of the ball.

[@randylovering24]

John should get a medal for doing this show

[@loissimmons6558]

I was wondering why WML took a chance on having Frank Gifford on the panel during football season when he was still playing. Football players can get pretty banged up during a game, not to mention that 10:30 PM would be awfully late after playing the same afternoon. Then we find out that the Giants played the Redskins on Friday evening that weekend, not on Sunday afternoon. If Gifford had been severely hurt in that game, there would have been time to find another guest panelist. By this point in NFL history, Friday evening games were rare. That was when a lot of HS and college football games were played and the NFL usually avoided competing against that. I can't think of a reason why the Giants played on a Friday evening instead of Sunday. The Yankees were on the road and wouldn't be home until Tuesday (which turned out to be Wednesday since Tuesday's game was rained out). A college football game on Saturday would mean the stadium was already configured for football.

[@carlcaccamise110]

All our Great Singers are passing away.... Thank God 🧔 We will always have their Recordings to listen to forever.... If we could only go back to this time of music 🎶 and Great Singers and Other Great Celebrities.....

[@toniwilson1579]

Frank Gifford was good lookin. Sadly he no longer with us. Just happen to see something in a news clip how his son who are now 23 really look like a young Frank. I was young when he play football so I never saw frank young. His son really dose look like him. I came here to see Eydie and Steve but glad KZbin bought me here cause I got to see what Frank look like.

[@soulierinvestments]

Gifford was still a football player, but not for long. Soon he became a broadcaster. So he and Phil Razuto have that in common. Sort of. Razuto appeared a few times on WML in 1956 about the time he went into sports broadcasting.

[@VahanNisanian]

Anyone here a fan of the new set? (which actually debuted a week earlier on the 20th) I love it. The new desks look great, too. Thumbs up if you are a fan of the new set.

[@49yt]

Also, no more advertising on the front of the panel's desk. This made the show look quite a bit more classy. I think the ads on the front of John Daly's desk had been done away with earlier.

[@savethetpc6406]

***** I have to admit I really didn't notice the changes in the wall background in the previously posted episode until you pointed them out, but now, together with all the other changes, the "new look" is very noticeable. I thought the previous set was nice too, but I also like this one. In fact, this is probably the set that I would remember seeing if I ever saw the live broadcasts as a child, and it does seem to be bringing back memories, though I could be imagining that. I'm pretty sure I remember watching the show, at least occasionally, but it's hard to imagine my parents letting me stay up that late when I was that young (I was a little over a week shy of 6 years old when the CBS run of the show ended).

[@richatlarge462]

Very "modern" after the changes.

[@loissimmons6558]

In Friday's game between two teams with 0-2 records at Yankee Stadium, the Redskins led 10-0 at halftime. The Giants came from behind, scoring on two Don Chandler field goals but still trailed 10-6 when they managed to score their only touchdown of the game. Although QB Y.A. Tittle apparently led the winning drive, the touchdown was scored by backup QB Gary Wood, a rookie that season who went to my alma mater, Cornell. Because of injuries to Tittle, Wood received a lot of playing time that year, He was also the more mobile of the two at their respective stages of their careers. So it is likely the Giants put him back in the game when they were close to the end zone. Wood scored on a one-yard run.

[@TheCarnivalguy]

Wow. Steve and Eydie. I always enjoyed both, either alone or together. Their rendition of “Let It Snow” is one of my favorites.😊😊

[@VahanNisanian]

LOL! At how Steve & Eydie sign in!

[@carlcaccamise110]

We just lost Singer 🚔🎤🎶 Steve Lawrence who passed away today.... He is now up in Heaven 😇 with his Wife 😇 Eydie

[@Blancochicano]

RIP eydie, mi Corazon

[@davidsanderson5918]

Hey nice at the end to hear them mention my home town in the North East of England (not the town of the same name in the US). Of course famous for coal mines. No collieries left now sadly.

[@mikejschin]

Hello David. My own home town is a few miles from New Castle, PA, where Bennett was about to visit. The area did have some coal mining until the middle of the 20th century, but by the time of my childhood and youth the local economy was based largely on steel manufacturing.

[@brunozauhar1879]

That Miss Steiner was a class act.

[@stratplayr6997]

I love watching these old shows. All of the panelists and the celebrity guests were all very classy and the ladies all very elegant. Everyone is dressed very nicely and well spoken. No tats either, at least none that could be seen.

[@randysills4418]

Is Arlene really 57 here? Astounding!

[@donnawoodford6641]

I'm not crazy about her hair color.

[@desertrose1226]

She looked great. Looked her age but looked classy, beautiful and Natural!!

[@dinahbrown902]

She fits it nicely

[@soulierinvestments]

New set includes -- name of program above the sign in board in the same script as the animation, entrance backwall decorated in diamond pattern after years of those asterisks in rows, wooden mess in same diamond pattern on fronts of desks. No sponsors names on the set ever again. Given that color film was prevelent, it surprises me that no color photos of this set ever showed up on line.

[@soulierinvestments]

One of the more amusing mystery guest post game interviews. "O Lord don't make me cry in front of all these people" [horse laughing] "That's what we were saying on the bench." LOL

[@samdash4706]

There's much talk about the great anticipation for the New York Giants season (Frank Gifford was their star running back), but the team would finish 2-10-2, the worst record in the NFL. At this point, they were 1-2, having won their first game just a few days prior. The previous season (1963), quarterback Y.A. Tittle had had one of the greatest seasons ever for a QB, including a record 36 touchdown passes, leading the Giants to the Eastern Conference title before losing to the Chicago Bears in the championship game. John Daly asks Gifford about Tittle's health because in the second game of the season Tittle had taken a devastating hit, and injuries would hamper him the rest of the season, which would end up being his last in the NFL.

[@loissimmons6558]

+Sam Dash It was also the final season for Gifford. And after a hard hit by Philadelphia's Chuck Bednarik caused a head injury in 1960, leading him to miss the last 4 games of that season and all of the 1961 season, when he returned he switched from running back to wide receiver (flanker). In his last 3 seasons, he only carried the ball 7 times for 30 yards Even in his final season, he was the Giants best wide receiver, in part because Del Shofner missed 8 games. After three straight seasons with over 1000 yards receiving, Shofner gained only 323 yard via the air. The leading receivers overall on the team were tight end Aaron Thomas and all-purpose back Joe Morrison. Meanwhile the Bears weren't doing much better in 1964. Coming off of their championship season, the finished 6th out of 7 teams in the Western Division. It was mentioned that they might be crying that night. Earlier that day, they lost to the Baltimore Colts, 52-0. The only satisfaction the Giants might have gotten was that they spoiled the season for the St. Louis Cardinals. The Giants other victory and one of their ties came against the Cardinals. If the Cardinals win either of those games, they would have played for the NFL title instead of the eventual champions, the Cleveland Browns.

[@VahanNisanian]

Someone managed to restore the second game from this episode back to its original "Live look". LiveFeed Video Imaging restoration - "What's My Line?" (1964)

[@epaddon]

Kevin Segura's "LiveFeed" process which I wish had seen more widespread use. He used it on the Ed Sullivan shows from 1956 featuring Elvis and they literally blew me away and made me feel like I was watching a videotaped show from 56 which wasn't possible.

[@alskndlaskndal]

That's a very cool effect... very convincing.

[@soulierinvestments]

I thought the process looked great, but I don't know what I should be looking for.

[@WhatsMyLine]

soulierinvestments The most noticeable improvement would be in correcting motion blur. The image quality looks a lot more detailed, too, but that may simply be the result of the fact that the copy here on YT was recorded from a cable rerun, then reencoded by me, and reencoded *again* by KZbin (there's no avoiding it). I still don't get why anyone would choose WML to demonstrate this technology, considering how little movement there is on it. But it's a neat clip.

[@magnificentfailure2390]

@@WhatsMyLine I think it may have been chosen to demo the effect because it's such a static clip. The backgrounds against the people reveal the amount of depth the effect produced. Of course, I may be wrong. That'd be par for the course.

[@poetcomic1]

Now THAT was a good looking cop from Beverly Hills

[@richardharrison2512]

At first, I said "Wow, that meter maid is gorgeous". And then it struck me - she was gorgeous - 54 years ago! I wonder where she is today.

[@desertrose1226]

Old or passed away more than likely .. time is cruel.

[@peternagy-im4be]

God knows.

[@joet840]

I bet that ticket lady gets a lot of proposals from men when issuing tickets. And they wouldn't mind taking the ticket just to get her number !!!

[@dalehall2067]

Loved this couple days

[@MrJoeybabe25]

In 1964, the very mention of the word "bedroom" brought down the house. They knew what went on in there....SLEEPING!

[@dinahbrown902]

Juvenile

[@lorddalek]

First (or at least the earliest existing) show with the new desks and the show logo over the chalkboard instead of that of the sponsor's.

[@leannsherman6723]

Beautiful meter maid! I guess that’s the one the Beatles were singing about. Lol

[@VahanNisanian]

The second contestant is a real California girl!

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I love it when John repeats where someone is from, like when the second contestant said she was from "Beverly Hills"..."oh, Beverly Hills, California" for us country folk. By the way does contestant number two resemble a famous singer a little. I'll answer later who I'm thinking of.

[@savethetpc6406]

Joe Postove I'm not sure whom you're thinking of, but she reminds me of Tina Cole (Katie from "My Three Sons") : images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=AwrB8pxkizRUhzMAdO2JzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBsZ29xY3ZzBHNlYwNzZWFyY2gEc2xrA2J1dHRvbg--;_ylc=X1MDOTYwNjI4NTcEX3IDMgRiY2sDN2ZwcHVhNTltbm9xaSUyNmIlM0Q0JTI2ZCUzREExeXJpelpwWUVKNFljMDVucFVQemp5N3h3RTZoSUUzd01vTVBBLS0lMjZzJTNEbmUlMjZpJTNEZFNzQlNBa2RhVlJMeGc0YVNlWE8EZnIDdWgzX21haWxfc3JjaGNvbXAEZ3ByaWQDdmdkcWJ2ZFZSenlrak15Vnp5Zkx6QQRtdGVzdGlkA251bGwEbl9zdWdnAzAEb3JpZ2luA2ltYWdlcy5zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzI5BHF1ZXJ5A2thdGllIG15IHRocmVlIHNvbnMgdGluYSBjb2xlBHRfc3RtcAMxNDEyNzI5ODM4BHZ0ZXN0aWQDSTIyMw--?gprid=vgdqbvdVRzykjMyVzyfLzA&pvid=XX4InTY5LjF35z5RU2vjUgfOMjQuMQAAAADD.igQ&p=katie+my+three+sons+tina+cole&fr=uh3_mail_srchcomp&fr2=sb-top-images.search.yahoo.com&ei=UTF-8&n=60&x=wrt

[@MrJoeybabe25]

***** There was a fire many years ago at (I think) at a "Beverly Hills Country Club" which was quite destructive. I think that was in Kentucky, Todd. Maybe Ohio.

[@loissimmons6558]

+Joe Postove So who were you thinking of? Inquiring minds want to know. (Would the initials be DS?)

[@philippapay4352]

@Joe Postove - I was a big fan of the so-called White Queen of Soul, the late Dusty Springfield, and I think the meter maid does resemble her a bit. Is she the famous singer you had in mind? She'd have been known by '64.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

@@philippapay4352 God...I forgot who I was thinking of. Five years is a long time when all you eat are corned beef sandwiches on white bread with mayonnaise. Plus clam juice and gum. And tater tots, and tater grownups. And chicken fat.

[@leesher1845]

Even the introduction was clever.

[@philippapay4352]

Sometimes John's biology is way off base. The first contestant was correct that artificial eyelashes are both useful and decorative. The eyelashes and eyebrows serve important functions for the eyes and when one has no eyelashes or deficient eyelashes to protect the eyes they must be supplemented. They can also be used to make one's lashes look more lush, thus performing a decorative function.

[@leesher1845]

Good point!

[@VahanNisanian]

If the few extant color episodes of the original "To Tell the Truth" (from before the major set change) are any indication, the walls seen on "What's My Line?" from September 1964 to September 1967 had a powder-blue fabric.

[@savethetpc6406]

***** Were the two shows done in the same studio?

[@VahanNisanian]

From 1960 to about 1966, both shows were at Studio 52.

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

*_MAKES FALSE EYELASHES_* *_ISSUES TICKETS TO OVERTIME PARKERS_*

[@leesher1845]

Very good Arlene on the meter maid!

[@shuroom57]

I love a good love story. This was one of the best in show biz.

[@desertrose1226]

The meter girl reminds me of beautiful Bond Blonde Honor Blackman in her youth.

[@hugovangalen]

What happened to the set?! BTW First guest's company Eylure still exists. What a nice bit of history about the start of it from the founder himself.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Was Frank Gifford the only active sports star to be on the panel?

[@epaddon]

I believe so since Phil Rizzuto's panel appearances came just after he'd been released by the Yankees.

[@kristabrewer9363]

On the last episode, John said that Carol Channing was gonna be a panelist "next Sunday" which would have Sep 20. Where is it? I can't find it

[@soulierinvestments]

"No John, Beverly Hills in Iowa."

[@susaneshraghi7124]

soulierinvestments j

[@MrJoeybabe25]

There are a lot of "Beverly Hilles"...Beverly Hills - West Virginia Beverly Hills - Texas, Beverly Hills - Tennessee, Beverly Hills - South Carolina, Beverly Hills - Pennsylvania, Beverly Hills - Ohio, Beverly Hills - North Carolina, Beverly Hills - Missouri, Beverly Hills - Michigan, Beverly Hills - Maryland, Beverly Hills - Kentucky, Beverly Hills - Kansas, Beverly Hills - Georgia, Beverly Hills - Florida, Beverly Hills - Colorado, Beverly Hills - California

[@golden-63]

*Beautiful meter maid!*

[@kentjohnson5544]

Gosh, how well mannered and polite people used to be.

[@sandrageorge3488]

Most of the time

[@desertrose1226]

No F bombs or fake looking women either. Better times.

[@dinahbrown902]

Not in reality

[@hizgrase]

When I grow up I want to be just like Arlene Francis

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Eydie was seven years older than Steve!

[@savethetpc6406]

I think I may have known at one time that Eydie was older than Steve, but I didn't realize it was by that much. My mother has always been a Steve and Eydie fan, and I liked them too. I think one of the reasons we admired them was that they seemed to be one of the few truly happy show business couples. Of course, we can't know what their marriage was really like, but they remained married for almost 56 years (until Eydie's death did them part), and they always looked like they really loved each other when they appeared together. I just read some of their biographical information on Wikipedia. Tragically, their younger son died suddenly, due to an undiagnosed heart condition, when he was only 23 years old. Their older son is a successful composer, who wrote the score for "High School Musical." Steve Lawrence is still alive at 79, and Wikipedia states that he still performs, but I couldn't find a website or any upcoming concert dates for him.

[@SuperWinterborn]

SaveThe TPC I was thinking about the same as you. That Eydie and Steve seemed to be genuine happy in their marriage, and personally I don't doubt they were.

[@SuperWinterborn]

Joe Postove Due to his "boyish" looks, if it had been Steve who was the oldest, he would still have seemed to be younger! ;)

[@gbrumburgh]

Steve and Eydie, who were married for 56 years until her death in 2013, had two sons. David became a composer. The younger Michael died suddenly at age 23 in 1986 of an undetected heart condition. Griefstricken, they both stopped working for over a year. While they did manage to return to performing, neither ever truly got over their son's death.

[@mariocisneros911]

3 . Look it up in 2024

[@galileocan]

Was there a show on Sep 20, 1964? I can't seem to find it

[@WhatsMyLine]

Galileocan g That show is lost.

[@TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods]

+What's My Line? Too bad! I was looking forward to seeing Carol Channing on the panel!

[@grdn02100]

does anyone know why they buried John Daly in Arlington Cemetery? I'm not aware of his having been in the service etc...

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Well, c'mon, c'mon...I don't think those overtime slips she puts under the windshield wipers of cars are voluntarily obeyed! Gee wiz!

[@philippapay4352]

@Joe Postove - Having lived in L.A. and spent considerable time in Beverly Hills, Santa Monica et al, I would guess they were voluntarily obeyed. The Beverly Hills police force is unusual as that is about the worst stuff they ever have to deal with in an area with all that money and fabulousness floating by on magic carpets. My further guess would be that if I were a regular patron of the Donna Karan shop on Rodeo Drive and my car was ticketed that the couturier's emporium would pay the price of the ticket due to the monies I spent there over time. There may have been even a formal procedure, like validate parking is now at medical centers et al, wherein one just handed them the ticket. No fuss, no muss, no questions asked, no upset cops.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

@@philippapay4352 The Beverly Hill Police Department's phone number is unlisted.

[@philippapay4352]

@@MrJoeybabe25 That's the joke. Maybe the reality.

[@davemac5260]

At 15:38 Frank was ready to call it a night and make his exit with the meter maid.

[@jrnumex9286]

per 2nd guest, good ole days , didn't ask the first guy if married.

[@spongevee1]

He knew the first guy is addressed as Mr. He asks the second guest if she should be addressed Miss or Mrs.

[@richatlarge462]

For the missing 9/20/64 episode, is it known who was the mystery guest?

[@sandrageorge3488]

Carol Channing

[@spongevee1]

Carol Channing was on the panel, but the Mystery Guest was Arthur Godfrey.

[@michaelhudecek2778]

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@josephpalermo4538]

Dorothy was a pain in the ass....took the show WAY too serious....no wonder she got "bumped off" !!!

[@leesher1845]

That second contestant did not look like a meter made I guess the term didn’t exist back then since they didn’t use it in the episode.

[@TheGadgetPanda]

If Frank Gifford appears a tad skeezy during the course of this episode, a cursory googling of his life would appear to confirm the suspicion.

[@jvcomedy]

+TheGadgetPanda Generally the term "skeezy" is synonymous with "sleezy" and I'm trying to figure out what was sleezy about him in this episode and also what about his life would confirm this. Just curious. Can you elaborate?

[@LarsRyeJeppesen]

@@jvcomedy From Wikipedia: "In 1997, the tabloid magazine Globe arranged to have Gifford secretly videotaped being seduced by former flight attendant Suzen Johnson in a New York City hotel room.They published photos and stories"

[@petemarshall8094]

Johnny Carson’s lawyer, Henry Bushkin, recounts in his autobiography how Carson showed up at Gifford’s empty apartment carrying a pistol, with two armed thugs and Bushkin, looking for evidence of Gifford seducing Carson’s wife. Such evidence was found and Buskin feared Johnny was going to shoot Gifford.

[@peternagy-im4be]

Absolute nonsense.

[@michaelmayoh656]

He looks o.k. to me!

[@soulierinvestments]

Dorothy Kilgallen's empire waist period. My mother at the time wondered if she were pregnant.

[@debbigray1752]

She was in her early 50s at this point

[@gailsirois7175]

False eyelash maker AGAIN Probably #3

[@bubgum0079]

Cheater Dick Gifford.

[@dinahbrown902]

And?