What's the Best First Track Car? (Grip Driving)

To follow up on our video from last week, this week we answer the question of which car is the best first track car. Like last week, there's tons of different variables, so I'll list out my top 4 picks that are best for most people interested in getting into grip driving.
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[@midnight_drive_media6056]

Man says the honda scene isn't always "adult", proceeds to open up his lambo door.

[@romerlnico]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kseriesdan9722]

Haha I thought the same

[@DeViceCrimsin_]

That was priceless

[@JDMEXforme]

Lmaoo

[@AjJabaay]

It's my favorite joke

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

Stoked to see the E36/E46 chassis on the list. The only little budget vs. performance fact I'd add is that the M54 (E46 330i/330Ci engine) makes essentially as much power as the E36 M3, making the E46 330 just as good, or even an M54 swapped E36. Great power without the additional maintenance/worries of the S engine. I daily drive a 5-speed 330Ci and I feel they're so underestimated overall.

[@ghostpunkkilla]

Was reading this comment and agreeing before noticing it was you Greg!

[@ryancallahan4347]

If only the 330ci came with a factory LSD it would be the best option

[@danielsdayoff]

The nice thing about the US S50/S52 is they're just slightly modified M50/M52s. I have an OBD1 S52 build and it's incredibly reliable. Loads of torque and power :)

[@lukeclark3623]

@@ghostpunkkilla lmao me

[@themonkeydoo3]

that's what I have been told as well, in addition (as long as the cage is up to spec) you could sell it as a starter Spec E46 chassis

[@itsgerry1234]

2:38 cost from 1$ -5000$ hahahahjahahahahaha

[@ktunedcrx]

Hes using USD examples but yeah 5k is cheap for those

[@kaino2470]

$1000-$5000 not $1 ya spud

[@k3tchup687]

@@kaino2470 the video says 1$

[@DeViceCrimsin_]

@@kaino2470 Lol, use the time stamp he gave you before making an ass of yourself. It indeed says $1.00, sir.

[@DeViceCrimsin_]

Lol, nice catch

[@adrian2433]

Good luck finding an S2000 under 20k € on Europe

[@philspaghet]

You can in the US and Canada ;)

[@antoniosousa8145]

In Portugal 25k €

[@mehdidamfs3112]

North africa 😭😭😭😭

[@xerrio4]

In France, it is so expansive to buy a good car. Fortunately some of them go under the radar and I got myself a nice MX3 for 2500€ but with maintenance to do on it afterwards. Parts are also lacking more and more on the market... Nha, some places in the world just ignore what it is to have dreams as a young man and are just ruled by old farts stuffed of money expecting you to buy the last car out matching emition norms...

[@maksor2785]

I bought mine for 18K in the Netherlands. It's mint condition

[@monochrome_linux]

I used to be a person who would analyse a thumbnail and the title for minutes before watching a video. But now, if i see the gears and gasoline logo, I click play without any second thought. Thats how much I like you guys and your content

[@sutton3199]

I think the S2k is an outlier if we're honest here. At least here in the US, good luck finding one at a decent price that isn't molested to all hell or trashed from previous owners.

[@TheEldarz]

Why no love for AWD cars like EVO/STi? Disclaimer: I am 6’8’’ and I don’t fit into the common RWD picks like Miata/S2000/BRZ and don’t like FWD cars.

[@Bluebeast2005]

While they didn't specifically cover this in the vid, I believe they did in a round about way. 1 they heavy! lol and 2 go through "consumables" more frequently.

[@djsonicc]

Expensive

[@Camhin1]

They don't teach car control as well as rwd or fwd cars can.

[@KingOGAV]

Bc fwd is the best and your a poopy head

[@chron151]

It's all about cost of entry and subsequent maintenance. I own a fully built 2004 STI and a 2003 NB2 MX-5. I only need to upgrade my brake pads, brake fluid, maybe run a crossflow radiator and have a good set of tires (hard dog roll bar was installed when I bought the Miata) in order to go do a track day or HPDE with a reliable car. Granted, I'm not paying Porsche prices for consumables even if I did run the STI but it's still going to be more than the Miata no matter what.

[@meierb75]

8:05 Agree. At one time I was getting back into cars. I had three cars that were disabled, a pickup, and a Prius. So I slapped on some older Potenza S-03 PolePosition tires and and took it to the track. I am proud to say I wasn’t the slowest car that day. And it was a good tool for allowing me to perfect a lap.

[@spannersautocomputerrepair7528]

Porsche Boxster - mid engine rear wheel drive with very balanced driving feel. Excellent brakes and smooth 6 cylinder power that is decent.

[@hakongussiasjohnsbraten3484]

I just love how the Honda S2000 looks and handles. I want one of those

[@ryanle1293]

I will always recommend the C4 Corvette for a first track car. Wide tires/wheels, independent suspension (although weird how) power and handling all for a few thousand bucks

[@arphmd]

For me as Malaysian just choose any Proton-MMC generation models, especially Saga 1.3S which is $200 in sale. The aftermarket parts is always there. Fix the car, join MSF event in Sepang, and then already a racer on track.

[@georgecannon4982]

I feel like some of this is bad advice - a first track car is probably going to be crashed, so why get something really expensive? E36/E46 - Why does it have to be an m3? a stripped 328 would be plenty fast and a whole lot cheaper. S2000 - again, too much money in my opinion on a first track car. If the engine goes, you are spending enough to buy a miata just to get it back on the road

[@mc1996]

Some people see one E36 M3 or a S2000 as we see the 325i or MX5...its all about the wallet, they did a great job making a somehow wide options list.

[@canadianrcs9931]

Never been on a real track but am pretty active in Iracing. And the starter car, being a miata really shows how useful a slow starter car is. It’s so cool to see you pull out of a corner, door to door before a straight and watch a guy pull away from you cause he got on the gas .5 of a second sooner. Momentum is everything.

[@samregan1962]

I’m 15 and I am currently doing motorkhanas and khanacrosses in a Mini Cooper. Not a Cooper s just a Cooper. It’s a tonne of fun and it’s cheap to run and easy on consumables. It’s not exactly a track car but it’s still somewhere to get started.

[@MMSstation93]

370z/350z is a cheap frst track as well!

[@noaht2005]

Daser mk6 but insurance is really expensive

[@jamesshives5679]

370z is overpriced on the used market though

[@MMSstation93]

where i live 350z 04 are like 3-4K dollars and 370z are like 7-8K dollars and insurance yearly third party for about 300 dollars only

[@MMSstation93]

also if u break anythng it isnt that expensive to repair or get a new engine as well

[@jamesshives5679]

@@MMSstation93 Yeah it's not that it is terribly expensive compared to a nice s2k or e46 m3, but for 10-11 year old examples of 370z, 7 grand is literally the cheapest you can find. Most of them are 10-15 grand for the earliest years of the 370z which I think is just overpriced for what it is, and you can forget about anything newer. Subaru brz's have the same problem, you can't find even the oldest brz's for less than 10 grand unless it is a car with 5 owners and 3 accidents. There are alot of automatics out there, so finding a manual 370z is difficult enough, finding one for a reasonable price is even moreso. That being said I think they are pretty cool, I would love to have one as a first track car so I'm not disagreeing with you but I just think they are overpriced.

[@erickpina8802]

Gears and gasoline is probably the only car channel to excite me enough to play their videos on the tv screen rather than my phone

[@nahyeahnah7248]

In australia the best track car you can buy is a manual AU falcon. RWD, 1500KG, massively tunable and reliable, cheap as hell parts, you can get a model with IRS or a live rear if you're going for track or drag driving. You can get them with a 250hp inline 6 or the 302 Windsor V8, RWD. If you want you can throw a barra into one (as they literally bolt right in, same mounting brackets as the I6 in the AU falcon) and now you have a 500hp track monster for less than $6000AUD (about 4k USD) Also they only cost like $1500 for a good running one.

[@S2000-p2s]

S2K😏❤

[@declanrobinson6624]

I might have to slightly disagree with the green s2k guy in some respects, the most challenging car I have track so far is my 06subaru wrx as it has both understeer and oversteer to contend with in different situations, I found my previous cars (Nissan 350z and Toyota gt86) more predictable as you expected the oversteer. AWD so far is teaching me to be a better driver as well as mechanically setting up the car to be a more well rounded car, and I’m hoping this will serve me well the next time I’m on track as I have put a lot of effort into the suspension side of things to get the balance correct. I’m hoping this will then translate into quicker lap time as I will be able to better use the available grip given by AWD, allowing me to push it further than any 2wd cars

[@oms325mg]

It's so tough in these videos to speak generally, there are always counter examples, but I do believe that 2wd car will teach you more in general than an AWD car. I'm glad your WRX is working for you and you are progressing as a driver. Most importantly this should be fun. As I said in the video, the BEST first track car is the one you can afford to put on the track. The second best is a miata.

[@declanrobinson6624]

oms325mg agreed that the best car is the one you can afford 😂 I do think it’s all based on what you have at your disposal and what you do get used to, there are people in the uk with close to stock Renault clios who can probably run rings round anyone on a track because they’re are a good drive, the most important thing is having a car that can take it and give you the seat time. I would agree as far as a little rwd car goes an mx5 is always a good shout. It’s all personal preference, but I do like the s2000’s as a platform and would never rule out buying one as I looked into them when I was coming out of my gt86 and 350z but mainly went with the wrx as it was a better daily and has more useable seats 😂

[@lookship]

E36s prices in the UK are shooting through the roof. The drift scene has ramped the price of them up now since S-Bodys are now selling for £15k for a clean one, which is ridiculous. Personally I'd go for a GT86/FRS as a number 1 choice. I had one and it's the best chassis in a modern car hands down. Cheap parts and as long as you're not looking for crazy power (like 350hp+) out of the FA20, pretty reliable aswell. But I can see why the Civic and the S2K are back on another list. They're something that can just get HAMMERED everyday. Great video again guys 👍

[@DuBstep115]

If I lived in UK, the changes of me buying lotus elise S2 would be 200%. Who the F*** would pay premium for hammered e36 when you can literally pick up one of the best track cars in the world for 12-15k?

[@lookship]

@@DuBstep115 I know right? But even Elise prices have started to soar recently over here. 2 years ago my friend sold his S1 for 9k (37k miles - really good condition) the cheapest on the market atm is 13.5 with double the mileage. Insane.

[@DuBstep115]

@@lookship 16k for good condition S2 is still a bargain compared what the rest of the world has to pay for them. For example you need to pay +20k euros for 140tkm driven S2 in Germany. Edit: Forgot that you can pick up Caterham Roadsport with 1.6 K-series 135bhp for 14k as well.

[@xxlalbatross3287]

In my opinion the most suitable trackday car is an mx-5, if you are wondering let me explain. When all other cars rely on engine power, the mx-5 only relies on its road holding

[@djsonicc]

Haha Adam opening the Lambo door on his civic is baller

[@99joserivera]

I’d say frs would be a great first track car also!

[@frostblght]

You guys should do a video about how to get involved in a track day or how to become a racecar driver

[@Offthehandlenick]

I really wanna say the fox-sn95-new edge mustangs are also good. They are on the heavy side but infinite capabilities and mods, inexpensive and lots of fun. But more required on necessary safety items like frame connectors and strut braces as it does tend to flex

[@Owwee_immaB]

Ok I’ll buy one. Ready for next weekend

[@GevXander]

Another amazing video, thanks guys.

[@solcharms]

If I had to extend this to a top 10 list: 5: FRS/BRZ 6: 350Z 7: VW GTI 8: Subaru WRX 9: Mini Cooper 10: Compact class: Honda Fit/Toyota Echo/Nissan Versa

[@diegoelramano5387]

This just start an mi like aready just love track cars 👍🏽👍🏽🤘🏾🤘🏾

[@adrianwilson725]

I have a 97 civic hatch build. Ik your a subi fan, we can link up and help eachother with our builds. Jamaican🇯🇲

[@mcgoo721]

If you want the best ride with the most grip i cant recommend OP's mother enough.

[@metalsound74]

The Australian guy put out some solid advice! That’s awesome

[@jamesstaggs4160]

The E36/46 had S series engines if you get the M versions. Course I guess running a 1994 325is wouldn't be a great idea.

[@DriversSide]

Track performance was an important factor when I got my e46 m3 for my channel! Hoping to do some auto cross and a track day or two this summer

[@carlosevfaj]

I didn't expect a vídeo so soon. Awesome.

[@vtec8000xrpm]

I miss early 2000's superstreet trance in car videos. Bring it back to the track!

[@chincemagnet]

Probably a Miata, it’s so underpowered you can’t break anything. Or a WRX if you can afford to repair stuff like blown motors, transmissions, transfer cases, or differentials. The good thing about that is typically once you’ve fixed each one is they’re good for a long time after that. Imho though, a 600cc super sport would be more fun.

[@82werk72]

I had a Citroen AX GTi.. It was fun at the track!

[@TheOGtyler]

Curious for all you beamer boys out there... I was under the impression that BMWs aren't the most reliable cars out there or is that just the newer ones with tech and gadgets failing more often than a Honda or Toyota.. but he says in the video that they are?

[@One_LuvZ]

E36 and E46 can be very reliable if you take care of them and know to fix the known issues about them like the cooling system, chassis reinforcement, and oil pump.

[@odhranfahy5729]

I'm taking my track car in my first test tomorow, it's a mini Cooper and I'm 16

[@mateojimenez5905]

No sw20 toyota mr2? Once you put in sway bars coilovers and tires the "snap oversteer" that they're known for is gone and ur left with a perfectly balanced light mid engine car. And the 3sgte can hold so much power

[@That02subaru]

Loving the videos. Keep up the great videos

[@andrewchavez8221]

Love y’all videos keep uploading good stuff! I’ll keep watching love the k swapped ek

[@sightofspeed1323]

I like the 720s GT cars!!!

[@zyvotv5071]

Budget drift cars pleas

[@Rs13ken]

Just bring what you have and have fun, but if you want a purpose track car get something light... anything Honda, Miata, Suzuki swift, lotus ...

[@sanlot17ken]

Great info! Thank you! I'm transitioning from sport bikes all my life. Have had some bad crashes on them. I'm 56yrs young and done with sport bikes. Hooked up with the Subaru community and I purchased a very nice 09 Subaru STI hatchback. Put a new stage 2 AIG block in it. Getting a bigger turbo with front mount intercooler. I have upgraded my suspension with White line components. Looking to have 400whp. Would this be a good car to track or will it eat my money to much? Thank you!

[@zafn1984]

Another great vid, thank you

[@yanngoarant1302]

In Europe the first best track car could be an Renault Clio RS1 or an Elise S1 ;) Whe don't have big track everywere !

[@ethanmacheras5967]

Awesome video!

[@youngsesamechicken988]

Love the video 😍

[@BitterCarGuy]

I want to track my volvo c30 but my first track day taught me that the brakes on volvos are hella sketch. I'll def be keeping it but might look into a Honda Fit or a Mazda 2

[@tips4truckers252]

5:40 ... not bad

[@MattBeardless]

Just wondering...the guy with the S2000, sorry I didn't catch your name if you're reading this...where are you from? Your accent is a brilliant mix of what sounds like Canadian, English and possibly a hint of South African?...

[@d4bid15]

Great video to encourage people! Nice!

[@lilracerboi]

I happen to have a great car for track (E46 M3, got for cheap) - just not quite the amount of track money I need.

[@jairquintana7721]

that b-roll intro 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@kellsled]

I’ve owned all them so I must be doing something right

[@m3imaging50]

Your videos are always fucking amazing in quality.

[@andr3w27]

Surprised that brz/86/frs and 350z/370z didn’t make the cut.

[@cgky]

Great video keeping it real.

[@Race66]

id also recommend a porsche boxster (s)

[@English2Elvish]

6:07 "The best track car is the one you can afford to take to 10 events a year..." SOUND ADVICE. ALSO; 8:52 "Don't wait till you feel you have the perfect car to go out...".

[@lambrosstamos4494]

Gridlife needs a Schirmer e36. Likewise Nurburgring needs a Gridlife event.

[@rivalstorm120]

I will never be able to get into track racing. My car choices havent been so favorable. Had a car i did not finance but there was zero options out there for parts and the little parts available were over $1k. Now I am back to financing a car but it has a cvt transmission so I am not trying to push it.. Maybe in my 30's I will have better luck on cars.. Maybe someday though

[@jonah.mcminn]

I'm still sold on a miata. That will be my first car.

[@jzethotshot]

How about the golf?

[@franticfrancis9710]

Depends what your doing on the track

[@CaramelColored]

Man idk what it is but ever dance I've started watching your channel I've REALLY wanted to do my own car channel but then I realize with how unpopular I am in real life it would just be a total waste of time for me to try to make a channel.

[@KirkyBoy]

Honda Fit! oh yeah!!!

[@ryanbeck4826]

What's the song at the end.

[@michaelgomez4994]

350z 5k all day... mass produced meaning parts are cheep & available.3300lbs,reliable cd009,cheep 17-18inch tires. upper & lower control arms on the front & rear.

[@michaelgomez4994]

a s2000 7-10k.. f20 or f22c engine are 3-4k. hard to find transmissions parts are not available at junk yards or part outs

[@michaelgomez4994]

e46 m3..20k for a car you could possibly crash no thanks.

[@michaelgomez4994]

e36 m3 5k. old with parts getting harder to find. McPherson front strut not double wishbone. 5 speed not 6. cheep tire sizes but s50 is not powerful. 240hp out of a 3.0

[@michaelgomez4994]

miata. lightweight,cheep,reliable but very slow let’s face the facts 140hp is not braking traction much.

[@michaelgomez4994]

build a 350z hr. you get a car similar to a e46 with better front suspension, for far less of a price. you need money for trackdays & consumables.

[@qlmotorsport]

the side of my car made it into the video!

[@issacdaniels942]

The best race car is from Oldsmobile

[@tips4truckers252]

I bought and sold my clean e36 m3 for 6k

[@colossalbigfoot256]

S54 only comes in M cars tho. M54 comes in 3 litre cars, which is the e36 M motor.

[@faststang4892]

miata reviewer is goofball .

[@MexicanPoro]

So inspirational, I live in Maryland, and would love the chance just to hang with you guys, and even learn a trick or two about your style of videography. I love it so much.

[@jimmyarmour5446]

e36/46 can be found in nz for less than 3k lol

[@semjonignatov1340]

6:30 wise man

[@codemy666]

I feel like the S2000 doesn't fit into this list, simply because of it's price

[@redlion145]

It's in because of the driving characteristics, not it's price. But I agree, the rest were budget focused options, S2000 is becoming a collector piece. Could have been replaced in the list by the BRZ/86.

[@fastx1914]

Man, I really disagree with this list. Don't get me wrong, they are all awesome cars but this is about your First track car, which means as a driver there is a lot to still learn. I think a noob in any of these cars is not a good idea. Stick them in something slower, that you can easily walk away from and be out only 2k, because they will go into a wall, off course, etc and gain a new respect for speed and the effects of an impact from a tire wall, etc. When I first started racing, I ran a Fiat 128, and chased a more seasoned guy in a Ford Fiesta for probably most of the year before I started to really figure things out. Then, I moved on to much faster cars. RWD vs. FWD vs. AWD is a big issue as well.

[@midwestapprentice1904]

To think in 20 something years most these cars you won't even be able to find for less than a shit ton and all we'd have left are modern boat sized cars

[@B0F]

Miata is *always* the answer

[@michaelgomez4994]

a simulator so you 1.DONT CRASH 2.improve your skills in different layouts(ff,fr,mr) 3.seat time. 4. affordability especially in the long run

[@michaelgomez4994]

then join spec miata for the real door to door racing. time attack is just quali you won’t improve your racecraft.

[@justinhamilton9]

NA Miata is 2100lbs Ek civic is 2500lbs Not to be a troll, but ole boy said civic are lighter than Miata’s.... nope!

[@GearsandGasoline]

His EF is 1800lbs.

[@AjJabaay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah ! Haha Many 84-95 civics are sub 2100lbd though. I promise. Basically all of em are actually.

[@mightquinnable]

Best first drift car????

[@TimTam770]

Hondas are are pretty lightweight.... Lambo doors probably add another 100 pounds.

[@elidavis9312]

You can get a c5 corvette with 50k miles for cheaper than an m3

[@thealpha7053]

G35/350Z not on here????

[@RandomlnternetGuy]

I wonder if my diesel would be allowed on the track. I feel like smog would be an issue

[@David-nb2bc]

Of course you can use a diesel. Some endurance teams use a diesel due to fuel economy and can get good power too. There is no smog on track driving. Only on public roads.

[@ferrarif4023]

I thought of the Honda Civic when I was watching this video

[@Savorychicken41]

I’ve owned four of those cars in that list 😂

[@josephpadilla194]

Where can you find these cars for those prices cause I can’t find anything m3 for that cheap and I can’t find a s2000 for less then $25,000

[@C35LAM]

This was made 2 years ago sadly all prices have gone up

[@YourMom-vl2sp]

You know the BMW guy goes to AutoZone for his car parts. It was so hard for him to say Advance. 😂🤣😂

[@spammailservices]

What about the MR2 Spyder?

[@jmedina5207]

When i watch gears and gasoline i feel like I’m watching a movie

[@Bluebeast2005]

I know! I agree, they are one of the best YT channels for automotive fun!

[@HarshJadhav12]

it feels like a movie because this is movie grade filming in my opinion. Even the quality goes as high as 4K. They only spend big money on two things, their cars and the shooting equipment.

[@capyfanvok]

Amount of quality that's in these videos is fucking crazy

[@aliefalikhan8263]

Strongly agree

[@dongambino7921]

These are more like automotive documentaries ya know

[@Jlemus01]

In my opinion Is better to drive a slow car fast, especially if you're in the process of learning get something cheap and affordable to fix.

[@tony_5156]

Slow and steady and then you can become Schumacher later on

[@AmirPomen]

Thats where honda create its fame

[@30musabboouf61]

고등 지능 ODINS trash Thanks for the motivation ☺️

[@fransiscoh9450]

Yeah for sure and it’s so fun carrying all that speed through a corner so you won’t loose it makes you connect with the road

[@thomasduffyjr]

So a Miata

[@250hdd]

Honda Fit definitely earned the honorable mention. Cheap, reliable, great handling, and fun to toss through corners.

[@jamesborek8125]

I love my Fit as a DD, what a hoot. G&G please cover some Fits!

[@FATmenDRIVEtrucks]

@@jamesborek8125 yes

[@codytheasian4799]

Especially if you throw a k20 or k24

[@frankenelimtangco2400]

Definitely true! 👌🏻

[@Kuhlgelblitz]

Bought a 2008 Honda Fit Sport 5MT last year. Currently have it set up for AutoX. They are a blast to drive. They are basically an updated version of the EG/EK civics, but with 5 doors. The Stock 1.5L motor isn't terrible. Incredibly realiable and great MPG. Like most Honda's you can free up a little HP with an intake, exhaust and a tune. The GD3 uses a lot of brake parts from the 90's civics. It's rather easy to buy and swap a K24 into a Fit. Bunch of options for Coilovers. Progress Group makes a killer rear sway bar. Wheel and tire combos are endless. Chassis stiffening options are endless. Just like the 90's civics there's tons of cheap parts to throw at the car to make it better.

[@TheDaemon66]

The best first track car is anything with zero power and requires momentum to be fast. That’s how you learn to drive properly and with precision.

[@TheOGtyler]

Well said man! A great way to start is from the bottom. Learn the basics and work your way up

[@brysondean6707]

You would also want a car without a ton of grip, since you would start to learn bad habits from a huge amount of grip and no power

[@Bigdoghirohito]

Hell you can use anything for the track then build up to better cars

[@JustusKuroVT]

The best track car is a reliable one, because if it keeps braking down, youll have less chances to drive and race it around a track. And the main reason why youd wanna race around a track in the first place is to experience it.

[@carloscrod_]

Reason why I have a 2006 corolla XRS lol. Once I get better I’ll save to get a frs or S2k.