What's the best primary weapon vs illuminate?

[@lama8984]

I'm crying with how the blitzer gave him enough time to cook an inspiring speech about not giving up and discipline

[@hawk9mm]

Blitzer took him so long he turned into a TED talk presenter about meeting challenges.

[@tygersigma7454]

Me too that was masterfully savage 😭😭😭

[@Fast5Yi]

For a gun with unlimited ammo no reload that auto aims idk it's my favorite gun when I'm drunk. Sometimes you just gotta let the meme live.

[@thanquolrattenherz9665]

maybe but the wise one would have known that there is a tool for everything and the blitzer is there for voteless and overseers not shields and harvesters. its like using your lighter to open a bottle, sure you can do it but using a bottle opener is probably easier and will not invalidate the use of a lighter in other scenarios

[@Gator_Planet]

>reprimand in video thumbnail >not in video What did he mean by this?

[@SilenceUnspoken]

Think it was just a good primary weapon pic, I don’t have it but I don’t think the reprimand’s all that great iirc

[@OhDough]

It looks better as a thumbnail than all the other weapons

[@protonjones54]

Reprimand is a good choice against squids

[@kyleba342]

​@protonjones54 i agree I use it all the time

[@nixniemand4802]

@@SilenceUnspoken it's great against the bots and alright against everything else, fun to use and pretty versatile

[@M8Stealth]

The best primary is the Machine Gun. Then what one brings in the first slot doesn't matter.

[@thoughtgaming492]

Bring a dedicated voteless weapon as your primary and machine gun for everything else.

[@euphoricstamen9562]

@@thoughtgaming492 MG can do that too funnily enough. The Illuminate really brought about a machine gun renaissance, a lot of people are using at least one of them.

[@thoughtgaming492]

@@euphoricstamen9562 Yeah of course it can, its just a waste of ammo when it doesnt have to.

[@znail4675]

@@euphoricstamen9562 But MG can't be reloaded while running making getting bringing a primary along that you can reload while moving a good idea. If you pick a SMG then you can even shoot while running as well and why I kinda like the new free SMG alongside the MG.

[@100percentnotabear]

@@znail4675 bring the stalward then. It kills everything too. Did you know walker's eye is only armor 2

[@JTB-1]

Personal preference is the sickle, because its infinite ammo, a legit laser, bullies the watchers, breaks sheilds easily, and is a spray weapon.

[@LaserTractor]

Spray weapon?🤣 Oh wow, last thing I heard was "combo weapon". But that was about HMG. Spray weapon is something new for sure coming from the glaze foundation

[@JTB-1]

@LaserTractor glaze foundation? The sickle unironically works really well. Especially paired with a senator.

[@LaserTractor]

@@JTB-1especially when it heats up and you carry only 3 spare "heatsinks"? Or when it puts out 687 dps of light pen when even Tenderizer can do 950+?

[@ultrawankerobliterator420]

@@LaserTractor >using heat sinks ngmi

[@dbzfanexwarbrady]

@@LaserTractor i too use the Sickle , and its bc it effectivly has infinate ammo

[@Ghost_dv01]

1 more thing for crossbow, you can destroy illuminate arc tower with it

[@OhDough]

True

[@ianhollanders501]

That and the 2 shots against overseers, even with their shields drawn, is why the crossbow is my pick.

[@duolingobird8196]

you can also use the directional shield with it which helps against the flying overseers and the melee overseers ranged attacks too

[@KKmar2025]

​@ianhollanders501 you can also ground blast voteless consistently if you no scope your shot while running away from them

[@insubordinategoy7466]

Stalwart crossbow and thermite you can deal with every enemy really fast . You then have any secondary and 3 stratagem anti fuck about with . Gas shield hmg or machine gun sentry.

[@fainyance11]

"this may be shocking, but the blitzer..." intentional? lol

[@OhDough]

the sarcasm was the pun was not

[@BluePoo52]

4:22 fyi folks crossbow takes so long to break the warp drive overshields cuz the shields are immune to explosive damage. Only the ballistic damage component is damaging the shields in the clip

[@KBWrecker]

Yea, this genius just things every weapon should be equally viable in every situation 🙄

[@PIGEON5265]

I love the Illuminate logo guy. Looks like they're in a blanket. 😀

[@Sinclaire8800]

Bro is comfy af

[@denyzn6517]

I think it's one of their ships, but now I can't unsee the little guy in a blanket 😂

[@godofm3tal1]

Armor and boosters are quite literally solving problems they created. Like not touching down with full ammo and stims then requiring you to blow a booster slot on it to fix the problem. Logically in an age where we have warp capable ships to travel the galaxy and drop commandos safely onto planets using drop pods and using handheld rail guns and shit, we shouldn't have to deal with not dropping in with a full kit of ammunition.

[@hawk9mm]

Yeah they are just band-aids, pure and simple, always have.

[@normanbestboi9117]

Or just call in a resupply at the start?

[@ThePartisan13]

I think you're overestimating how much helldivers are meant to be regarded. Why would Super Earth waste all of those resources on someone whose life expectancy is like 15 minutes?

[@HoVAzura]

I would get it for the sake of progression. Like how you don't get full support weapon ammo till you did the first upgrade. But the fact that re/spawning with full ammo and stims isn't an upgrade yet is just wild.

[@xraze6906]

@@ThePartisan13 Super Earth's entire thing is wasting hilarious amounts of resources in the Helldivers program. Why waste resources giving someone who you expect to die access to on-demand artillery barrages, mechs, hellbombs, and personal CAS.

[@MegaSJ]

JAR-5 should also be in the running. I'd probably put it ahead of the adjudicator, because, like Ohdough says, gas grenades exist to fix horde clearing issues. In narrow alleys though, this horde clears pretty well piercing through rows of voteless. The biggest selling point for the JAR-5 would be the 1 shot kills on overseers if you land your headshots, and body shots will stagger them back. It's also one of the best primaries at killing Harvesters if you want to go without a support weapon or pick the Stalwart. One of my favorite strategies with this weapon is to go in with Arc immune armor and just bully harvesters. You can horde clear while underneath the harvester before finishing it off with the JAR-5. As long as you're near it, the harvester's lightning bolt doesn't hurt you, and if you're behind it, it can't target you. Just pick a leg and feast.

[@MisterZimbabwe]

Are you sure it can one tap the overseers on head shots? I've been trying it for awhile now and it hasn't been able to 1 tap them at all, it always breaks the helmet armor on the first hit and then the second hit kills.

[@fringehouse]

JAR is just not that fun to use because of how clunky and slow it feels. and the recoil is so JARRING 🥁

[@MegaSJ]

@@MisterZimbabwe i just played 4 hours with the JAR 5 and I am getting 1 shot kills when I land head shots. I can hit them from the back or side for 1 shots, too. You might be aiming too low and hitting the neck, because the laser dot is jank af.

[@MegaSJ]

@@fringehouse it takes getting used to, but it undeniably has the power for 1 shot kills once you get good with the gun. It helps if you quick scope more than staying in ADS mode. I agree with you though, it's unfun if you don't have the player skill to make the JAR-5 a good weapon. The purifier and crossbow are much easier to use, so I recommend you try those out rather than the JAR-5.

[@Sombriage]

Blitzer is still the best primary since it's Christmas and I'm pretty sure one of Santa's Reindeer has the same name. Probably is giving that electric recharge to Rudolf's rage nose.

[@konchy]

If it's just against overseers and watchers, I like the scorcher at full auto

[@rhetro777]

Purifier really went from being one of the worst weapons in the game, an absolute joke to one of the best. I already use it enough against the other factions, so I prefer to bring ballistic weapons against Squids for fun and variety.

[@dankachilles9356]

I've been using the purifier since it came out. I've always thought it was a solid weapon. Before I had the multi-shot and it was just charge up it was awesome against bots. Now it's just everything.

[@kompott_addict]

hyped for the "car mechanic" armor. glizzle glizzle

[@hawk9mm]

Passive reads "Puts lead weights on your body so that it doesn't flip as easily" or something... god that would be terrible, just fix the vehicle, stop with the passives that we can't change.

[@dankachilles9356]

​@@hawk9mmso much THIS!!!

[@gangrenebob7281]

Yes +30% tire repair and roadside maintenance perk aka the CAA buster armor

[@LuckyDuke468]

Saying that before watching the vid : been using the Jar 5 Dominator, even if Seer heads' hitboxes are way smaller than they appear to be, being able to one shot them is priceless

[@Farly98]

I love the dominator. If you miss the headshot, the overseer is stunned and won't be knocking you over

[@scoople6]

Love the dominator too, but find it pretty painful to use without peak physique. Bit of a skill issue but those jetpack dudes zoom around so fast that it's tough to hit the headshots with the heavy drag. And plust it handles the tripods well. Pairs well with he stalwart for squids.

[@Farly98]

@scoople6 I agree. I take PP armor and pair with heavy machine gun, supply back pack and go wild! There's nothing I can't solo with that get up. Love it

[@LuckyDuke468]

@@scoople6 i agree for the flying guys, i usually try to kill them off-guard if posible. I run 500kg and eagle napalm for voteless packs and autocanon deals with flyers if they move too much. Worked ok so far, did some LV8 solo with that, no vehicles (broken inputs)

[@weswyleven9540]

May I suggest the Breaker spray and pray. That choke allows you to kill entire hordes of voteless in a few shots, melts shields, and can stagger overseers and take them out if you move in close. You cant do much against harvesters or the ships, but combined with a grenade pistol solves that. Personally, I roll with EATs and/or machine gun, and I can solo lvl 10s atm. Don't sleep on the breaker spray and pray.

[@Dead_Pool_Rising]

😂😂😂😂 no. It doesn't do a damn thing to overseers. Pretty much every weapon can kill the voteless with little effort.

[@Gaaaaaame]

I checked it out, but it doesn't hit the breakpoints for insta headshots easily, high fire rate rifles seem better to me..

[@Ashen75]

Spray and pray is fun against the voteless but it's so god awful at taking down overseers, especially the flying ones. It takes almost an entire magazine to kill one overseer, or even more if the overseer isn't in point-blank range. Against the voteless it also often takes two bodyshots to kill which really doesn't feel good even if you're hitting multiple at a time, especially considering that there's so many better options for taking care of hordes in the secondary and grenade slots. The regular breaker always one-shots the voteless to the body and only takes around half a magazine for overseers while being capable of taking them out from a decent range due to the tighter spread, so I'd take the regular breaker over the spray and pray in every situation.

[@hawk9mm]

@@Ashen75 That's what I've found, took a full drum just to kill a hoard of zombies but dealing with anything beyond that and you're screwed completely. Again either the damage just isn't there or the hitbox is messed up because firing into a literal hoard of voteless and I still have to reload just to finish the mob off is not the sign of a good weapon.

[@LordVader69420]

That thing is hot garbage, one of the worst shotguns you can use.

[@Bigcountry-zp1pq]

Only thing bad about using the purifier against this faction is if you can’t create distance your dead

[@nurgle333]

Gas grenades

[@OhDough]

Get creative with the blast radius

[@skywardsoul1178]

Jetpack, having a sidearm or support that you can switch to when things get too close, light or medium armour etc. I don't have a problem with this and I regularly run heavy armour.

[@Bigcountry-zp1pq]

Yeah all of that’s great but if I’m kill farming I’m bringing blitzer , grenade pistol, gas grenade, guard dog, machine gun, machine gun sentry, eagle strafing run and I’m chilling you can make them both work with the right build

[@Bigcountry-zp1pq]

And run arc resistance armor

[@LD-sx9pr]

Reprimand in theory is one of the better options in dps vs Overseers due to the damage and AP. But in praxis it’s awful due to the uncontrollable spread and recoil. Especially Elevated Overseers which try to back off from you which moves them away from your ideal range of engagement

[@rhetro777]

I love the look and feel of the Reprimand but it really is mid AF except under the most ideal circumstances. Hard to believe some KZbinrs were calling it god tier when it came out.

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

@@rhetro777 I really don't understand what's the charm of that weapon, it has so many devoted fanboys.

[@curtisbrown547]

Its ok. Occasionally it one taps a voteless or accidentally 2 shots an overseer in the face. Other times its a genuinely like shooting a gun from counterstrike that has a "spray pattern" (it shoots bullets at a 45 degree angle from where the gun is pointing....

[@dztrict1000]

one of the worse weapons imo; recoil and inaccuracy makes it bad vs bots, low mag and slow reload makes it bad vs bugs. It's high damage can sometimes shine on the bot front but it's not usual

[@CA-V9]

I always take sickle and arc thrower, I use the arc thrower for killing and keeping everything away from me without aiming, and the sickle for range, when the arc thrower is aiming at the ground for no reason, removing shields, or trying not to kill my teammates. It works pretty well. Also grenade pistol for structures and crowd deletion. It’s fun. Therefore I win.

[@Deadsnake989]

3:35 The reason for this is because Harvesters have explosive immunity, and the majority of xbows damage is explosive, same reason why Purifier takes some time to kill the main body. There are some parts of the Harvester which are not explosive immune, but the torso and upper legs definitely appear to be.

[@mwhighlander]

Blitzer is amazing, when paired with a backpack autocannon. Shotgun that can hit several targets, decent range, never need to reload, and most importantly it stuns the "observers", and "Elites" letting you get an EASY single headshot kill with the autocannon. The autocanon can also "mag dump" kill a harvester. Great with an engineer armor that has extra grenades (I use stuns) and to reduce the recoil of the AC.

[@ShadowNinjaMaster93]

I use the Crossbow primarily, mostly because I don't have the purifier and don't feel like spending 💰 to get the war bond for it. If I farm enough super credits I MIGHT snag it if there's no other war bond I want, otherwise the crossbow does fine.

[@McHadies]

The impact napalm nade from the same pack is also fun v illuminant

[@LordVader69420]

The warbond is worth getting if you get enough SC. The Tenderizer is probably the best AR overall, and the Verdict puts in work as well.

[@Ima9ineBreak3r]

The crossbow bouncing has to change. It is so annoying. It basically makes it so that you can't shoot the ground within like 12 to 13 m or else it will either bounce (too far) or kill you (too close).

[@McHadies]

heavy armor + vitality booster lets you do the most horizontal rocket jumps in the world with the xbow. That has to count for something right?

[@gasracing5000]

@3:53 You are going for "Consistency by controlling variables for replicatable results". This is very important when running experiments. The term "control" itself is a well know reference, something for which you already know the result. A positive and negative control should always be used. I get what you are trying to say, just trying to help your verbage. Knowing is half the battle.

[@maccthew]

is there any purpose to destroying the bottom horn on tripods? i understand the top horn generates the shield but the bottom one just looks decorative

[@OhDough]

They both destroy sheild

[@riven4121]

That Kermit impression is scarily accurate

[@atakan971]

half way into primaries and bro started an entire explanation on why experiments should be controlled for all variables except the independent one. love you my man

[@Marcin-qy6cn]

Yeah those weapons are good but I love 850 rpm tenderiser

[@LordVader69420]

Slept on weapon

[@DOMi-_-Domi-VXXX]

says wheres the armor to flip a vehicle, next warbond thats our armor pasive

[@LastFantasiaWeapons]

I get the feeling that rating primary weapons based on their ability to accomplish every possible objective neglects the fact that you have a lot more than just one gun. If the gas grenade is the best tool for killing voteless, why measure a primary weapon's ability to kill voteless if its exclusively worse?

[@vyrv6719]

sickle is a great combo weapon with the arc thrower specifically. Especially in group play. Lets you DEMOLISH shields from anywhere on the map, which is nice because the arc thrower SUCKS vs shields but absolutely bullies anything the illuminate have that has its shield down. You become the "everything is stunned while my team demolishes them." Both of them feel pretty terrible without the other which still surprises me, because I kind of lucked into that combo early when testing, and didn't realize how BAD they felt on their own till much later.

[@pill0h130]

The crossbow is a bit tougher due to the bounce, which means you need to instead go for directs, which is better than just having it slide under evryone's feet. But directs do not allow you to center the explosion in a crowd.

[@Hedgepook]

09:43 HOLY JESUS. Day of the Dead

[@ludoletono]

Obligatory comment on how the gas grenade being the best primary against the squids

[@milos-7712]

X-bow > Purifier + One handed (can carry box, shield, shoot behind you) + No charge up time + Destroys grounded ships + Destroys teslas + Bigger blast radius + Better red dot • Around the same dmg • Bow has less ammo but takes a longer time to use it since no full auto mode - No safe full auto panic shots - No stunning

[@beakwooda.k.aadregallus8788]

And when you pair any of those with support the crossbow covers the most anyway.

[@OhDough]

It doesn't lmao

[@mandude-w2z]

@@OhDough Blitzer is the GOAT, at least on bugs.

[@daztora]

Great shade on the commenters of the previous vid, those people are drinking too much eggnog.

[@ladiesman2138]

Its purifyer. So you dont have to watch the whole video.

[@OhDough]

It's obvious and shouldn't need a video lmao

[@ladiesman2138]

@OhDough Exactly lol

[@Fenix138]

I'm a big fan of the purifier. It's my go-to against the bots. But I was really pleasantly surprised at how nice the scorcher is against the illuminate. I think a lot of people, myself included, considered it a lesser version of the purifier after the recent buffs because it lacks the charge mechanism, but it really shines against overseers. The lack of a charge plus virtually no recoil means you can dispatch them in 4-5 rapid shots without having to pause for that second charge up.

[@nitrocool2.0-1]

how does adjudicator make it into this video and scorcher doesnt

[@OhDough]

Purifier is so similar yet way better

[@americancitizen4259]

My personal setup is laser guard dog, arc 12, laser cannon and machine gun sentry. Being the grenade pistol for destroying ships. The laser cannon is great against the harvesters of you hit them in the shoulder joing they go down pretty quick and it destroys their shields. With medium armor penetration and head shots it takes out everything else quickly. The blitzer and rover handle the vote less like nothing. I am immortal against them with this the bigger enemies are the only thing I need to focus.

[@McHadies]

so far illuminate maps are urban, please try the bullet dog, ammo is everywhere and it can drop crowds and even overseers quite a bit faster than the laser dog

[@Thunderfro]

Secondary, stratagems and grenades next lol.

[@BWSC81]

Dough, what do you think about the Scorcher? It feels comparable to the purifier w/o the charge up. Am I missing a weakness there? Am I stuck in a krispy kreme and don't know it? PS I love your scientific method, it's what keeps me coming back. Any other take is anecdotal, aka questionable at best.

[@Deadsnake989]

The Scorcher is a fantastic primary against the squids. It has some tasks it's not well suited for, but it's really strong for clearing voteless and overseers.

[@diydrivenGA]

As a console player, I prefer the sickle because it removes the very real issue of fat fingering the controller and killing yourself due to a voteless getting too close. If you focus on the heavies legs, it can take them down relatively quickly.

[@splashyatom22]

The best primary is just going in and having fun with the chaos with the weapon of your choice

[@wafflecopter9296]

People need to pay attention to what their weapon can and cant do. I was in a level 10 bot mission as the ONLY guy to bring anti tank and medium pen primary. One guy unironically had the stalwart ffs. How is it fun ti watch 75% of your bullets bounce off 75% of the enemies

[@hawk9mm]

Could have been trying to do a personal order?

[@wafflecopter9296]

@@hawk9mm If your personal order was stalwart kills, you wouldnt be on a level 10 bot mission

[@scoople6]

Stalwart on bots? That's a sad time every time.

[@B-U-T-C-H-E-R]

Scortcher, the armor that gives it more ammo and faster reload, and you're good against everything except walkers

[@DMXKonCur]

One thing you should account for with the crossbow is that it can destroy Tesla turrets very easily.

[@KenJagers]

Thank you for showing respect to the Abjudicator. So many people said it was trash- being able to 1-tap voteless quickly and efficiently and doing so at range is pretty damn handy.

[@HelloFellowHooman]

My favorite assault rifle getting the love it deserves 🎉

[@DapimpBDSD]

Sickle can 1 shot voteless....... adjudy is ok tho.

[@rjw4149]

That scope is nice af too imo

[@OrionDawn15]

Though, any AR, SMG, laser/plasma weapon can do that.

[@LordVader69420]

Lib penetrator is better for squids

[@arstollendi5673]

Hey, Dough. Since reprimand is there how'd you improve it? I kinda get it's idea, it's power fantasy but Im like... struggling to even come up with an idea to make it better without turning it into Adjudicator?

[@ItsBigJ]

This was a great vid OhDough, enjoyed the comedy too

[@BubbleShield570]

11 body shots with a low ammo in mag, medium pen, kinda high dmg, poor handling weapon with a big recoil on overseers is CRAZY. Thank god for the purifier because they are nuts in the balance team.

[@hivecasts]

I know it's about primary weapons, but as a combo Lib Carbine and AMR is what does it for me vs squids.

[@Notashi0]

YOOO, what if they add an extra thing to Servo-Assisted that lets your melee hits push the FRV over? It would damage it a bit, but you'd be able to get it upright probably.

[@Fireheart318]

I like the Tenderizer, personally. It can two-tap zombies and is great for dealing with watchers in its higher-RPM mode! Everything else can be dealt with with an MG

[@lperez3000]

Halt is the best one. You can easily stun vote less, overseers, and watchers. Then switch ammo or support weapon to kill them. Halt is good at removing harvester shields and breaking their horns. But I just love making flying enemies easy targets. It also cancels out the flares from watchers.

[@RuTube981]

Dog you’re sleeping on the Eruptor. Thing hammers the illuminate and all its enemy types. Gets x8 with one shot to a crowd of voteless. Kills overseers in 2 shots (you can speed this up if you swap and fire the grenade pistol after) and 2-3 shots the harvester shield, then 3-4 shots to the leg joint and its down. Not as good as the purifier but it’s probably second best imo and you won’t kill yourself if you’re too close to the explosion.

[@DRGEngineer]

4:20 don't think youre supposed to be breaking shields with the crossbow lol. stick a redeemer in your pocket and you'll delete the shield and then it only takes one bolt to blow up the ship. shields dont necessarily respond to a ton of damage at once, they respond to multiple ticks of damage at a high frequency. personally i feel thats more interesting than the shields basically being an additional healthbar.

[@Kywu]

isn't the tier list video about that already ?

[@OhDough]

People needed a more indepth review

[@skywardsoul1178]

I came to the same conclusion. Consistently getting far more kills than others in the team, and I don't feel like I'm struggling to deal with basic enemies, which is the important part. Very ammo efficient too.

[@evilsmoo3358]

I quite enjoy blitzer/arc/shield/nadepistol. Arc tears at range and stunlocks all illuminate (so far). Blitzer handles better at close range when pressed, multihits and stuns. Shield pack is 100% a crutch, lets you ignore fire for a moment and maybe catches enough of a harvester laser that you survive what you wouldn't without. Nade pistol for ships and towers, ofc.

[@user-bm7mo2ck6r]

I do this but with jet pack

[@TheAlbertos]

I love the halt

[@IRMentat]

Crossbow really should have 6/7 in the magazine. It spends as long reloading as it does firing.

[@insubordinategoy7466]

Stalwart and thermite is the best load out don't need anything else

[@jomos6366]

Do you evaluate the weapons in crouched or prone?

[@Dead_Pool_Rising]

I have a love/ hate relationship with the purifier. It's mostly a skill issue on my part. When it's working for me, it's amazing. When my aim is off... it's not a good time. I have more consistent results with the killzone assault rifle because of the large mag capacity. I don't need medium armour pen on my primary. I can kill harvesters with support weapons. Is it the best? No. Is it even in the top 5? No. It's what works for me though.

[@acdcguy18]

Just logged in today and received 1 [blank] and 50 medals. Can anyone tell me what this 1 [blank] is? It was just the number 1 next to a blank image. It was not any medals as I'm up do date and nowhere near the max. Thanks in advance.

[@TheVocalTune]

I was already instinctively using it and found myself being very helpful with it but also wondered if there were better optikons. Also, what is best stratagems and support weapons for the Illuminate?

[@r.t.hannah9575]

I suck at aiming and need to git gud.So in the mean time, I just pack the machine gun turret and the guard dog to clean up flyers.

[@DeathinRed01]

im a play what you like guy (lib pen/gp, and trying smg/gp with support weps). i like these tier lists but i do wish after we got to the top 5 you would do considerations with secondary weapons, like for the crossbow would pairing it with the uzi bring it closer to the purifier for ships and harvesters? this is a consideration because for the purifier to effectively kill ships you need the nade pistol or your nades to actually kill them otherwise ship shields dont matter on this tier list since you gave negative marks to crossbow for it when the crossbow can destroy the ship but the purifier cant. i think it may just be how i feel weps should be used but i think all weapon tier lists should include both pri and sec weapons since you will always drop in with both and they are meant to support eachother.

[@Zankaroo]

Blitzer is my primary of choice against the Illuminate, I don't use it against Harvesters or Spawn Ships though, I use a Gas Strike or Precision Strike on Spawn Ships or my secondary to pop shield then Grenade Pistol the door as I use Gas Grenades against Illuminate. I will take Jet Pack or AR Guard Dog for a back pack and HMG or MG pending my armor. If I have the 30% recoil reduction I'll use HMG, other wise I'll use MG. HMG shreds Harvesters if you aim at their horizontal leg segment, MG does do a lesser extent. I personally normally don't even bother shooting the horn as they rarely live long enough to get their shield back. I am pretty much always in a group on L7 or higher but I am frequently alone doing a separate objective. I have on occasion taking the Tesla Tower instead of a back pack and the lightning resist armor if I see others using the armor also. Just for fun.

[@shizumeru_]

Looks like purifier, grenade pistol, and gas grenade are the go-to. I still stand by my stim pistol though.

[@benhull7931]

Scythe > Sickle for illuminate. Im a huge Sickle fan but its just true.

[@25xxfrostxx]

Can they still do their close in lightning bolt with one or both horns broken?

[@OhDough]

Yep, horn just turns off shield

[@LazyEyePolitics]

Did you not try the scorcher on illuminate with automatic on??? MELTS ILLUMINATE BAD GUYS.

[@wollenwolf7528]

I use Jar5, it can 1 shot overseers in the head, good vs shields, 1 shots voteless, can kill a harvester in 6 (I believe?) shots to the joint... ...and it's objectively much worse than purifier or crossbow :D don't deny the facts guys, just play with the stuff you like

[@BWSC81]

Jump pack seems so prone to falling these days. It can be funny but also annoying after a dozen falls on flat ground. The rag doll kicks in so hard, I feel like - realistically - a diver should be a bit more stable.

[@paulydude8753]

My favorite combo so far vs squids is Jar dominator and the Arc thrower. I do know the purifier is better but I hate having two weapons with the charging mechanic and I don't want to give up my arc thrower lol.

[@caccus2639]

You should comment on the scorcher because even though it's not as good as the purifier, not everyone bought the truth enforcers warbond, but everyone has access to the scorcher. W.r.t scorcher is really good for taking out overseers fast, especially elevated overseers. Similarly the gas grenade is good but my gut feeling is the chemical agents warbond was pretty unpopular.

[@RuneForumwalker]

Blitzer is mid, not garbage. Something that does heavy stagger is not garbage. Every AR is worse than it.

[@OhDough]

An f- is worse than an f.

[@RuneForumwalker]

It's more like C vs F. That was the point.

[@ondrejmalek1322]

Merry xmas dough

[@SilentSnipes86]

The Pure is the best but not like OP level. The one thing the Pure that can fit best for the Squid is this, "adaptability". Need to fight a small horde of 5 voteless, use the charge shot instead wasting a grenade. Need to fight an overseer two charged shots and you might even get a few voteless. Harvester on you butt stun it and move to use it for a better shot at it. It does that so well but it sucks at other stuff where you need other weapons to defeat your enemy. The Pure has killed me a few times because I was reckless and did look at my surrounding and had a voteless run from behind me and point blank charge shot killing me. That still makes it the best but its best a medium range as far distance shot can be tough and close combat is painful or deadly if used wrong.

[@D3moknight]

Nobody talks about Sickle v Illuminate. I usually run Sickle/Grenade pistol and the Sickle breaks shields really fast, and kills voteless super fast too. I usually run HMG with it as my support for tapping legs off harvesters after breaking their shields super fast with Sickle. It breaks ship shields really fast also, so grenade in the door pops them, easy life. I run difficulty 10 exclusively and easily get 800+ kills every mission.

[@Wofulrumble4893]

It's very good at horde clearing, but voteless aren't really a threat even at higher levels, so dagger does the job for me. Overseers can show up at like 3-5 at a time at 9-10, and sickle feels just sad on them...

[@dankachilles9356]

Damn EXACTLY what I run and I also run those numbers as well. Good shit Helldiver 🔥

[@D3moknight]

@@Wofulrumble4893 sickle is not amazing for overseers, but I run HMG usually as my support and it cuts them down with just a few shots.

[@13buthead]

do you go solo?

[@D3moknight]

@@13buthead Sometimes solo, sometimes with a friend and we 2 man it.

[@Isaaczsf]

Personally I'm partial to the scorcher, the new passive makes its ammo economy viable

[@bar20800]

"HWONE TAP"

[@ewy4010]

The reason all AOE weapon is awful to kill harvester is because their body is immune to explosive. The ufo shield also immune to explosive

[@davidballantyne4492]

Purifier is great, I like it most on bots. But really, I have the most fun using the MG-43 vs squids. It deletes everything they have and my primary is just for emergencies or possibly exploding ships and towers if I don't run GP.

[@brushboss99]

Very surprised you didnt mention the slugger. 2 shot headshot overseers with stagger and always oneshot voteless to torso

[@OhDough]

It 1 shots overseers

[@JarrydJunkin]

At the end of the day just enjoy the game and the guns you like, sometimes meta is just boring and playing with wacky builds with friends is always fun lol. I use the Dominator or the Torcher against the Illuminate

[@TheMrMagna]

I like the blitzer cause the infinite ammo, and also it's a flipping TAZER GUN! Is it the best no, but it's useful everywhere.

[@Shywer]

Exactly infinite Ammo! I pair it with the Laser Doggo Drone so i can passive kill Voteless chasing me (Hellrunner Meep meep)! Almost every dive i find a Mg or else on the Ground or 2nd from Teammate. Its a gamble ofc but so fun! So i have 1 Stratagem Slot free for like a Turret when things get nasty.

[@alexparadies9939]

4:34 well I agree the crossbow is not good at breaking shields that’s what secondary’s or machine guns or strafing runs are for if your running it. Anyone running crossbow needs to know shields eat explosive rounds. It’s not good tier but anyone trying to use it to break shields is eating crayons. Good breakdown.

[@bebopsynthguy6629]

Scorcher (with ammo pack/armor passive) and DCS is pretty good too. But I agree purifier is king. I use scorcher when I don’t want to deal with charge time

[@cliffpuncher357]

Personally I love bringing the Diligence Counter Sniper. It's a great choice against overseers, and handles the probe snitches as well. But I've gotta bring horde clear otherwise, since the sniper is, well, a sniper. Also, while outside of the scope of this video, the gun Guard Dog is AMAZING against the Illuminate. It can mince Overseers way faster than you can!

[@13buthead]

how many shoots to kill an overseer's head and chest?

[@cliffpuncher357]

@@13buthead For the DCS? Head is one or two. Body is about half a mag, but you can mag dump it very quickly.

[@13buthead]

@@cliffpuncher357 i just hate spam clicking to shoot. what armor you use?

[@cliffpuncher357]

@@13buthead I usually use the melee armor, but that's because I'm using the Stun Lance as my secondary for the Voteless, and also to bully the staff Overseers for catharsis. It probably also helps with aiming the DCS, but I don't think you need it for that.

[@boneheadallday]

What about the Scorcher?

[@Soggysenpai]

Now that you said it, theyre gonna make QOL vehicle flipping tied to armor😂

[@GulliverMurdaugh-cc5cd]

I bring arc thrower as my primary for combat and the sickle in my primary slot for breaking shields

[@Sykari-ms8ow]

Adjudicator and guard dog is a pretty good combo. Flying overseers get destroyed.

[@Bigcountry-zp1pq]

Blitzer or Pummeler the stun effect works great against this faction but you need to pair it well with your other weapons and i have seen lots of players using the blitzer it’s the best for hord clear i enjoy it

[@enigmatvarence4319]

The Blitzer makes no sense to me at times. Clear af area. Nothing around you. Two Shots the Watcher that has 600 HEALTH FFS. But takes 5-7 shots to drop an Overseer. WAT

[@WeirdGamerASD]

I usually use the Purifier against squids and also on bots. I use crossbow on bots sometimes and lately almost always against bugs cuz of the feature to shoot behind me while maintaining a jogging pace. It works for me regarding primaries. They're my favourites and they're fun for me atm (although i plan to do a Constitution challenge run sometime)