What's the BIGGEST PROBLEM with Buying a $2,000 Amazon Dual Sport? It's Not What You Think!

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In this video, Alex and Kase walk you through all the issues we've had in getting our Hawk DLX registered and titled as a street legal motorcycle in Colorado.
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[@joegeorgia8989]

The content on this channel is top notch. Great job guys!

[@lenlaskowski7374]

Sounds like Colorado is the problem. I got an enduro ( tt250) from CSC in California and it went way smoother here in Nevada.

[@sbrash007]

Yep! We're full of rule-gestating bureaucrats, right behind California! Hardly any problems titling a dirt-bike though...as long as you add the DOT required safety components! It's ridiculousness overflowing!

[@castiron2932]

No problems registering this in Florida

[@marchufnagel9068]

No problem with tax or otherwise in the corrupt state of Illinois.

[@motojohnnymoe4799]

I live in Colorado and registered my hawk with no problems. Had to do a vin verification $30, got insurance $150 a year went to DMV paid the tax a registration fee $150 and got license plate that day. Could be different for other county's in Colorado but I thought it was easy. All together it was $1830 from getting the bike to getting it on the road.

[@camironkwietniewski2374]

Do you still have it? Just got a used one with 1400 miles. Works well for now

[@zackc3274]

The CSC TT250 is the same bike and it’s from a company in California that gives you legit paperwork headache free

[@raynetorrin]

TT250 is the same as the Hawk 250. Which are Carb bikes. They are dealing with a Hawk 250 DLX which is EFI and have a bunch of different parts.

[@dr.x4050]

@@raynetorrinThe CSC TT 250 is better in some ways. CSC pre-installs/configures all parts before shipping. The TT250 also has a counter-balancer, which lowers vibrations and also makes acceleration a tad slower. So when you receive the TT250, at least all the parts are put on tight. Then, it's up to the owner to fully maintain.

[@keithaaauto]

I don't normally comment but I'm a mechanic very well know this is the best bike I've ever had I've been riding since 1981 so a couple of more bucks for the tax when a regular dirt bikers like $8,000 are you kidding me and I'm in New York and the bike is street legal come on guys

[@johnstashall8697]

Great report. At least you can actually own one in your state. I might add that Bezos only allows 49 states to be granted possession of these cute little commie bikes based on 70's technology - or rather, wants to avoid California due to anal retentive air standards that would cause him grief to warehouse a CARB compliant bike. I can only imagine the suffering a customer would journey through to purchase one of two other models that are CARB compliant AND navigate through CA. DMV. Those few models are double in price, how about that? Good decent Californian's just can't catch a break. So be happy guys. 🤘👍

[@z33tanner]

I'll never buy a Chinese buy again absolute junk. My pitbike broke a trans gear and cracked case after 7months of light use. Don't waste your money on terrible quality.

[@marchufnagel9068]

Video is completely opposite to my experience of buying the same bike last month while living here in Illinois. Illinois took the bill of sale and gave credit for tax paid, the MSO and bill of sale was processed and an Illinois form to show 0 tax liable due to tax paid. About 20 minutes later walked out with a plate, receipts and got a title in the mail about 6 weeks later. They never blinked an eye at the 'dirt bike' designation. I am very happy with the bike 4 months later and would recommend this model from Amazon very highly. Just beware it may have a 'chinese birthmark' somewhere - mine was on the end of the handlebar and a replacement set of grips was sent within a week or notifying the seller. A+

[@christopherrivera]

which dmv did u go to in Illinois?

[@marchufnagel9068]

@@christopherrivera Carbondale

[@christopherrivera]

@@marchufnagel9068 nice. I'm thinking about buying one in the future. I'm doing a lot of research for now thanks for the insight.

[@gregorydeutsch3530]

I bought a 2020 Bashan Storm in 2021, from a Powersports company's website. They didn't charge tax. The receipt was itemized. To license and title, I just had to pay the tax and fees. And just the purchase price, no tax on the shipping.

[@DJANGO2DEEP]

@@gregorydeutsch3530 how has the bike been doing so far?

[@chaseme81871]

The whole DMV tax thing seems a bit odd to me, I mean why would it be up to you to determine if Amazon gave the tax to the state?? I mean when you go to a convenience store do you have to figure out if "Pepsi" gave the state the tax you paid on your beverage? If they are worried about the tax then they need to do an audit of amazon and find out if they are receiving the appropriate taxes from them.

[@tedbundy2797]

I bought one. The exact same bike. I live in delaware a tax free state. we pay no sales tax. I had no problem titleing and registering it.

[@shortchanged.]

Well I have had to prove the bike wasn't stolen and that it was Rd legal buy calling state patrol

[@dudleyrome]

most all motor vehicle sales in a state have to be paid by a registered tax payer in that state to be valid. The problem arises in that Amazon is a third party they are only talking taxes on the sale as it was just a regular transaction. So in all honesty Colorado likely got the tax money probably didn't go to the right place but they got it. Over all in a situation like this there is always "red tape" and bs fees so may as well just consider that part of the discount buying experiance.

[@drcocker8479]

I’ve had mine for a year now. I rate the bike 10/10 for the price

[@Builtdifferent802]

The state of Vermont makes it so much easier. Under 300cc don't need a title, and all I did was print off the receipt that was emailed to me as a bill of sale. Was super easy

[@danhaight9897]

Bought my hawk from same place around same time as you, mine came with a title but didn’t plate or register it but still drive it everywhere off-road and on road with no plate ever since getting it with no issues fuzz gets behind me I just give them finger and throttle as I drop a gear and disappear off-road with my helmet keeping my identity secret like Batman as I ride off

[@niio111]

This is a Colorado problem, not an Amazon/Powersports problem.

[@Maxumized]

If you live in Texas, it’s a smooth process. These guys are punks

[@motomikebuilder]

CR 500!. Used ones seem to have cracked pistons, but they're so easy to freshen up. Kick starting is for the young guys though.

[@TooSweeet74]

I didn't have any problems at all licensing my hawk 250 xpro I took the paperwork in and $115 later I had plates and tags I had to license for off-road and on road

[@crookstonsucks]

Every state is different. Getting the title for my brozz was a breeze in north dakota. Walked in to the dmv with MSO and bill of sale and a check for sales tax walked out with a title and plates.

[@tedbundy2797]

No problem in my state. I live in delaware. We have no sales tax. Plus I'm not a kid. I know how to deal with dmv

[@AlrightRiding]

I own the carbed hawk 250 and live in Tennessee where registering is super easy. I had no problems putting it together or registering it, and it was at my house in two weeks of placing the order. Been modding and riding it almost daily and I think it’s amazing.

[@michaelb.42112]

Tennessee is NOT California, and everything here is red tape due to all the smog laws, etc.

[@scrambler69-xk3kv]

My state requires that the MCO be notarized by the dealer/seller or they will not process the paperwork for registration. I just wish online dealers would state somewhere on their website if they will notarize the MCO. but no one does. Surely my state cannot be the only one with this requirement.

[@Kntryhart]

9:15 I don't know. You mention a 1984 Honda...that motorcycle is 38 years old...38 years! Not sure this is comparing apples with apples. Can replacement parts be purchased anymore? List price of a 1984 Honda CR500 was $2598! So in 38 years, it lost less than $500 in value??????

[@josephmiller1518]

Guys full of crap. Just trying to sh!t on the Chinese brands.

[@hunttomuchwolfe]

Sounds like co is F up and any DMV sucks because no mater what they do they still have a job

[@briandetrick2688]

Me and my wife bought 2 dlx bikes year and a half ago.only problems is battery's.weve put 3000 miles and no problems

[@a.bergantini4129]

Funny how this exact same bike is sold by Honda in Brazil under the model name "Honda Bros"

[@BUILDNIGHT]

Sounds like your problems were all State of Colorado related. Not typical.

[@DavidGilesColorado]

Just a couple of little boys making a video to make money to pay taxes I did the same thing I live in Colorado I had no problem

[@larryborn1082]

I bought a truck out of state new recently (saved a TON of money) and it was equally a PITA. I already had a hard copy of the OH title in hand all other paperwork and the joke of CO DMV made me get my BRAND NEW TRUCK (F150) WEIGHED FFS. The $12 dollars it cost wasn't as big of a deal as having to make another appt (3 weeks out was the soonest) and having to buy a freakin CO temp tag to cover the time period due to THEIR ridiculous requirement. While the folks working at the CO DMV branches I have been to have very pleasant the regulations and outrageous taxes for registrations are almost comical.

[@dr.x4050]

Sorry for the late reply. However, buyer beware is not a problem. It was as easy as any other bike for me to show tax & get title/tags/insurance in California - for a TT 250 simular to the Hawk . The bike is also as reliable as I make it while I ride within its limits. To be fair CSC (california scooter company) simplified the process of getting tax/title/tags.

[@Malc664]

And there I was thinking the state of Colorado is cool. Well, not the local govt anyway. Sales tax should have nothing to do with Lic and Registration. But fn hell, it does.

[@Clearanceman2]

The thing about the person that signed having to write their name is ridiculous. It was sold by a company not an individual.

[@JamesSmith-op7yc]

$2K, Brand New. Even with tax & title issues, you can't find a better value. I'm in MI. I want one!

[@user-zl5gi8sv7u]

You'd rather have a 30 year old bike for 2k? thats a joke

[@BYLRPhil]

What would we without the government?

[@JogBird]

i was not expecting such a deep discussing on ecommerce taxation 😮😁

[@thomasd8549]

Except it was a lame discussion. They should've made a vid of recovering their money at the tax office, while riding the bike.

[@dr.x4050]

Other motorcycle companies do it better.

[@rickylowry3213]

Not a china bike advocate but I've had this bike since 2020 and I've put 6500 miles on it. Almost all were on the muddy narrow trails of Western Montana. The bike needs occasional work but honestly it hasn't had any major issues and parts are easy to find. I do not take it easy on this bike and it always comes home completely covered in mud. I feel like it does pretty well. I have the hawk dlx fuel injected model. Registering and insuring it was easy

[@neilouellette3004]

Great video guy's!

[@stuttgurth]

Yeah, to me it sounds like you needed to take this to a more rural county where they are probably a bit less of a stickler for all these rules.

[@deanwattles8722]

we have a shop here where I live that is certified to make any needed changes to a bike to make it street legal and give you the docs to go get it plated.

[@Homestar1217]

I paid $2,200 with TTL included from a reseller here in Texas and I now feel that was worth every penny vs ordering it and building it myself. It's my first bike, it had 0 miles on it, the shop assembled it for me and other than a couple of loose bolts and an oil change I haven't had to do a thing to it in 150 miles so far. It's no speed demon but it gets the job done for commuting to work and riding around for fun.

[@chicago1680]

What place in TX?

[@Homestar1217]

@@chicago1680 360 Powersports

[@chicago1680]

@@Homestar1217 Thank you

[@gabrielalvarado1504]

Did you get any warranty with the bike? If so have you had to use it yet?

[@keel3r433]

It really sucks that you guys had these headaches doing this, I've seen lots of videos of guys that got this bike and love it with a couple new sprockets to make it a little more peppy, I haven't bought one so I can't say from experience. I'm sorry this happened to y'all tho

[@jhackett9482]

Cr500 not street legal and probably clapped out. Compared to tw200, yam 250, dr200 etc this bike is a steal and very usable and servicable if put together correctly. The honda 150 is cheaply made 1970 tech and almost 4000 out the door.

[@rickstevens1479]

Amazon never pays taxes .. terrible shame...

[@CuttinInIdaho]

Sounds like BS guys. You paid the taxes...and no company will itemize a random sale as remitted. They treat you like crap at the dmv there I guess.

[@trevorjameson3213]

If you live in a big city area you can just go to a powersports place and buy one assembled or in the crate, and they take care of the title and registration. I did this and didn't have any issues at all.

[@The18tvw]

Had no problem with getting mine titled.

[@tahirksey]

Which insurance did you guys use to insure the Hawk here in Colorado? I have a hard time finding someone to insure mine.

[@kevinheavner7152]

It's insane the amount of BS one has to go through just to be legal. Things need to change in this country. No sense in things being this complicated.

[@joemamabadydaddy256]

True but the problem is too many people steal and try to pull shams at the DMV so they are trying to make sure things are legit but they are also looking for ways to get money out of you. I have also found that if you have someone there giving you grief over silly things that you can usually have better luck with another DMV or different employee

[@4150CHF]

@@joemamabadydaddy256 The problem is that the government is out of control.

[@mantan_rtw]

Amazon is a crappy company and it's worse to deal with a 3rd party seller.

[@audiomonster303]

Thanks for this now I know what I need to do to register it, I am also in Colorado. Luckily the seller I bought from has good communication. I have already messaged them 5 times before the sale even was complete.

[@deangross9192]

I'm in Washington state bought the 150CC X pro storm pay for work went through like a breeze no problems piece of cake Amazon bikes well worth the money I'm 235 pounds and it puts my fat **** around with no problems I've been having a blast X pro USA has the best deals bike ship handle right to your door mine ran me $1500 for an on off road 150CC like I said no problem titling it piece of cake in Washington state hope this helps you folks out there good to go have a nice day I'm heading to the hills

[@JamesSmith-op7yc]

Seems as though the Colorado DMV put you through the ringer just to make a buck. Terrible. I'm going to buy one of those bikes. Inexpensive and fun. I'll give you the storyline from Michigan! J. Thanks for sharing.

[@thomasd8549]

This is a lame excuse for a 10 min vid. DMV's of every state suck. And a $100 gripe on taxes. Big woop. It should've been a 10 vid on recovery of your online tax. You can prolly file a form that you are Exempt from taxes, and/or write that crap off your taxes return, business loss, too. No sales tax in Oregon. So, watch out for DMV issues in Colorado.

[@schalitz1]

Sounds like a Colorado problem, not a problem with the bike.

[@danstahler2240]

Venom is a company out of China. And if you understand China, they make most of any bike/parts for any Honda, Kawasaki, or Suzuki!

[@drewt.4353]

So the whole video is basically why you would pay a dealer destination charge. I just buy used a few years old. Fees and depreciation already gone.

[@ribalderr6052]

yeah, I looked at these.... I watched alot of vids too. I eneded buying new, a Kawy klx 300 from a dealer. EFI, all put together for u, more, yeah, but its all tagged titled, paid, done for u. tag is on it an title paid an sent for just go down there, get on it, ride away. so when this chinese thing implodedes, whats the warranty an where do u take it? so nahhh..

[@KuzSmithandWessonShakur]

You’re getting a brand new motor and bike for 2 grand who cares what type sales tax it went off of weither that be weight or quality who cares it’s a good deal

[@AaronR-p2r]

i dont blame the low reviews on powersports max.. thats ppl's ignorance not researching the chinese bike they choose before buying.. alot of ppl expect these to just be good right out the box or they just choose a junk bike to begin with

[@longboom25]

Why did you pay tax? I wasn't charged tax from moto pro. I will pay it When I register it. And it 400 dollars cheaper to by direct from moto pro

[@anthonylanclos4656]

I bought my Hawk Motorcycle 2018 250 from the first owner it wasn't a dealership but I got the title am I okay

[@tar6805]

Well done lads. I'll stick with big red or big blue thanks.

[@bryankennedy1019]

Dont blame you..

[@mortonmorton6083]

😅 buy Chinese get title and Vin off the frame transfer it to your crf250 lol take the Honda stickers off there you go

[@tepidprinciple232]

You bought it from a seller who works for amazon. How is it Amazon fault. Next time buy straight from the original site!

[@zomakblah7804]

Eh? You pay the tax when you get tags for it. Unless Colorado is different.

[@jimcarson1608]

glade I did not order from amazon, and by the way... yes, they knew but the state the sold it from took the tax your state should have gone

[@oneanddonetzone3673]

A lot of this just doesn’t make sense now that I’m questioning your ethics or honesty but there’s some things here that just don’t make sense

[@longboom25]

No break in , no valve adjustment and no mention of changing the sprockets ..just get another bike if you want to go over 50🤦

[@I-_-I_SB]

Bolts rattling loose \-_-/ especially the kickstand mechanicals

[@jaysonquintanilla8269]

I had no problem at the dmv here in NY and it’s NY

[@kdollars101]

So the lesson learned. Colorado DMV is completely incompetent.

[@derrickclark5510]

Can this bike be modded with a pull string starter?

[@Matt-ix6ne]

Great video! Thanks for sharing this valuable information

[@pagosa1040]

hey guys , most old timers could have told you there were going to be problems with the paper work and the state [i live in co] . and that cr500 , yeah good luck getting a 2 stroke road legal in co. in some states it would be easy , not here. and , your headlight wasn't on which i believe is state law in co, day or night. thanks for going thru the pain to educate.

[@jenkemjones68]

Thanks for this video.I have been interested in buying this bike for a while now.I think instead of buying from Amazon I will buy one pre-assembled in my state with a temp tag.I dont mind paying and extra 400 to avoid this headache.Thank for the heads-up

[@dr.x4050]

I suggest CSC for a similar bike fully assembled and easier to tax/title/tag/insure.

[@dommm111]

The bike isn't the problem, problem is the SELLER

[@adaycj]

The seller seemed to step up and help. I think the problem is 80% buyer, 10% Amazon, 10% Colorado. The seller delivered the product as promised and then jumped through hoops to setup and ship out new paperwork to make the DMV happy.

[@dr.x4050]

Better sellers exist.

[@egates]

ok, I'll say it. Amazon does not remit the sales tax to the state. If they can't show it, it did not happen. They collect every tiny piece of data possible, do you really think they don't have the data of what they remit. They owe you $100. I think the bottom line is clear here: don't buy this bike from Amazon.

[@let_freedom_ping]

Indiana made registration of mine easy.

[@littlemanoo]

So these people don’t want you to buy Chinese bikes! Thanks

[@middleburg11]

Just go to other state is how you do it...every state is different

[@Brucewaynesworld87]

You getting rid of it I’ll take it I’ve been wanting one so bad

[@moscty]

Might consider a Chinese motorcycle from CSC but that is it...especially after the headaches you guys went through.

[@Ahtazal]

So this only matters if you want to make your bike street legal?

[@Ahtazal]

So this only matters of you want to make your bike street legal

[@dadofalltrades1972]

Well, hopefully Weld County will be a little less of a pain.

[@David-wv3si]

I appreciate it guys. I’ve watched all the reviews you have posted and this makes me uncomfortable. Now I’m not gonna buy one lol

[@johnpauritsch1282]

I personally just deleted my Amazon account because they shouldn't be selling these pieces of s*** that thing is just taking up space in my garage it hasn't run

[@riovan77]

If someone is not mechanically inclined this is not the bike for them. I am and love this bike and have had no issues other than doing my own quality control cause china's sucks. I bought it brand new for $800 from someone that couldn't get it running either and I had it running within 15 min of getting home.

[@Ammothief41]

Is this the bike that isn't street legal in california?

[@allstate125]

No the biggest problem with it is it’s a piece of shit.😆

[@terrymillard9255]

You have the fuel injection on yours mite want that

[@9r0t0typ3]

Seems like a you problem for living in Colorado

[@davidphelps7763]

Sounds like state of Colorado is the real issue..

[@rajmoney1575]

lol try and make a cr500 road legal

[@TheJmatagi]

Also 84’ deal with carbs

[@anthonylopez918]

These fools do look like they right outta Colorado

[@danstahler2240]

You screwed up! You buy it from Venom!

[@grifce]

You can buy it straight from powersport

[@janvanwykvanwyk7927]

Sorry is this the same as what we have already seen

[@TOPMOSTPOP]

Educational video good work. Read So according 2this You Tube weirdo 24% Harleys get SOLD. With 3k miles on them. 40% sold: @ 6k miles. 64% sold@ 12k miles& total of 93% people get rid of they Harley@ 31k miles. Idiot in this video says quote "this is bad." Realiry is Harley is literally a widowmaker extrodinaire. The amount of people they kill cripple could have been prevented its not just th handling either. Every worst engineering crime that could have possibly been comitted was chrome plated, price hiked/exploited 2 th maximum levels&sold 2starry eyed ignoramous customers who all admiringly call each other "brother." True ignorance breeds statistics like those above. Tagging these people ignorant 4buying such an obviously ludicrous contraption is putting it real mildly. Some people are diseased in thbrain. Literally. Its a generational curse. Bible calls these people those who build a home on foundation of sand& home spills off th hill. The beachfront home crowd are some of thworst most TERRIFYING people I have ever met as regards reasoning ability. In contrast these stats proves th cream of thcommon sense crop always rises 2 th top in th end. I was never dumb enough 2have 2learn th hard way. Bible says "u can beat th stupid1 silly he will never get th sense of it" it says "stupid people tear their house down with their bare hands." Yahweh says dont mix with them. I really dont care what Yahweh says. Yahweh is not down here waking up every morning getting fcked up th a$$hole by these critters. You have 2sit them down & make sense of thm. Interview them. Photograph them. Catalogue th results. Post it on trees. These corrupt companies have 2b put outv business. So I finally re found th Harley buyer statistics vid again claiming 93% Australians sell Harley before 31k miles &90% in USA; about 1 or 2year of use. Didnt watch rest of video bcuz I knew th guy was a cmplete idiot. This time I watched whole thing. I used 2call out these clowns on You Tube &50 guys would take me on @once & always ended thsame they would all leave defeated with their foot stuck in their mouth. My biggest battle I fought were back when Satan was trying build tourist space ships 2009. I DESTROYED that plan. I taught people humans can NOT enter space& even live. Oh man they were infuriated space tourism was HUGE = the whole Cane & Able thing plasticines always become jealous murdering losers. Now days You Tube deletes my comments if I dont praise idiots& doesnt even have thumbs down anymore. Only thumbs up. Plasticines think if u call them stupid its antler war they dont learn. They become infuriated. Bible say u cant mix with plastics its impossible like mixing iron with clay. God isnt down here living with these imbeciles either. I like interviewing them getting in their heads exposing them try figure them out. Same reason there's 1,000's how2 live with a narcissist vids online. You HAVE 2 address make sense of thm. Guy in video is on2 smthing, but like every other motorcyclist you tube his reasoning powers& idea of version of focus are from cmpletely another universe alternate reality that doesnt even actually exist& never will. He ofcourse ends vid saying get&PERSIST out of yr "cmfort" zone stick2 akward guns& deal with your Harley. Rather then maybe u bought th wrong gun. He says if your Harley bothering u go back re learn "beginner" skills on what he terms "beginner" bike. Threality is Harley is a lousy bike. An expert would risk his life on it. 300lb "beginner" bikes = engineering ideal sweet spot optimum. Badging them "beginner" bikes like saying Harley is some sort of step 4ward.

[@scott01clay74]

What a disappointment a big company like Amazon doesn’t seem to care what people are selling on there website

[@kayrokk]

Insane considering they're facilitating the sale of motor vehicles, there should be much more oversight on their part.

[@ridwanhussein8995]

Still got the bike? I’m in Colorado

[@simonhudak3763]

You guys are improving with every video

[@create323rogue]

Middleman in vehicles never goes well