What's the Difference? Traxxas Mudboss compared to the Salva's Mudboss. Is one faster?

[@hyster16t]

I think it's a good idea from traxxas. Looks good and if the class is supported, newbies can go from box to track. 👌

[@cage-rattler]

You guys need to get them on the BIG track. Thats where they'll shine. That bull ring aint cutting it for those large cars. Or get them over to ultimate this weekend.

[@BloodlineRC]

I’m taking it over tomorrow to try out. So we will see. I agree. The car is made for big tracks. Not the bullring.

[@jakethole]

I'm new to this type of racing so I'm excited for them to get started, but I also want to get into different classes and do the original. I think it's great to have options but I agree this new Mud boss is for us starting and should be it's own class

[@BC-rc]

I like them both. Has anyone tried putting the white slash bell cranks in the new car to increase the steering?

[@BloodlineRC]

Not that I’m aware of. But it looks like rule sets will not allow going to the white bell crank.

[@BC-rc]

The way I see it, look how much had to be changed on the slash short course truck to make it into what it is today. If I had one I'd try it just to see if it makes a difference.

[@patissanchez]

I've never broken a stock axle, but I have twisted them in big block. In four years of racing mud boss I actually just broke my first part last week, a rear hub carrier.

[@BrianHardin-n2z]

Should try the Hoosier tires on the old school car

[@BloodlineRC]

We might give that a shot. We did swap S1 kumho’s onto the new car. That really freed it up. It picked up 4/10ths of a second

[@jerrydilks2334]

I know all these guys. Great group of guys. To answer your question I am both OG and Midwest. My personal belief is they both have a purpose for us guys that really don’t want to spend the money for the more expensive brands.

[@BloodlineRC]

It is a good car. Not the same as what we are currently running. But, with that, it loses all the baggage the current car has and is a great jumping in point for new people. Yes, it might not be fast out of the box, but it drives well for a new driver

[@seans.9340]

You guys are so foolish and being so over analytical and so stuck on the pride of what you have and so afraid of something new it is ridiculous

[@BloodlineRC]

@@seans.9340 why is that? You know by naming it Mudboss, it was going to be compared to the OG car. If it was MWM or Oval racer, it wouldn’t have had as much scrutiny. Personally I feel the car is a good deal, considering how much all the components cost. They are selling like crazy around here though. So it’s good for shops and hopefully good to bring in more drivers.

[@WorksOfOz]

Great review. I didn't expect it to be faster than the OG Mudboss... But when you're first getting into racing, sometimes it's better to have something that's not stupid fast so you can learn how to control the car.

[@BloodlineRC]

@@WorksOfOz exactly! It’s better to have something that is easy to control and doesn’t take a lot to setup

[@Upstate_RCs]

Any shock oil recommendations? Mine doesn’t turn for crap either especially on the high traction track I run…. I already swapped diff fluid to as thin as I could get

[@BloodlineRC]

Good question. We haven’t touched that yet. But, we are thinking, we may need to go slightly higher than what we are currently using. On the Salvas I’m RF 37.5, LF 25, RR 45, LR 30. Im thinking about using that as a start. But maybe try 50-60 on the RR. Can’t say it will work, but I’d be interested to hear what you get to work

[@joshgill1447]

Red traxxas spring on the front helped mine alot.

[@duanehodges1512]

Great video you took a truck you race regularly that you have setup to your preferences and are just overall used to vs a relatively box stock truck i believe the new mudboss will in time outrun all of the old ones hands down weight only slows u down taking off coming from a racing background where i was 40 to 60 pounds over weight where u only had to be 300 and only ever losing 2 races in 5 years weight doesnt mean anything give them time and a chance and i believe they are going to be an amazing class anyways great video because in the end they are different vehicles and there is no fair comparison

[@BloodlineRC]

You are right. They are 2 different cars. As it’s shaping up, many are being sold. Local shops are running out and there is a lot of interest in running this car. The best part, almost everyone wants to run it box stock. Hopefully it brings in new drivers and gives the entire field a car that could win any race. It’s cool that almost all of our NY, NJ, PA tracks are adopting one rule set. So we should have a dozen tracks that this car can run at.

[@duanehodges1512]

@@BloodlineRC it's been about 5 or so years since I have raced rc and i believe its going to get me and the people around me into racing them but my biggest problem with the new mudboss is the servo saver

[@BloodlineRC]

@@duanehodges1512 that’s great. It’s a good car to jump back into with. I agree about the servo saver. But if that’s what everyone has, everyone is in the same boat

[@thelurker9472]

How about running them with the same tires as the established classes? Salvas seems like it has more down force, but tires could be key.

[@BloodlineRC]

I do agree. I’ve heard some drivers say these tires work better than our current S1 or shave stock kumhos. We found putting s1 kumhos made these cars close to our Salvas car

[@haroldfugate3396]

how soon before the salvas rules allow the adjustable shock bodies that are on the new car?

[@BloodlineRC]

@@haroldfugate3396 I dunno about that. It would be nice. But I don’t think we will see that for awhile.

[@panamacityfloridaracingmem6631]

How often should i replace the oil in the diff after cleaning out the grease ?

[@flyingfortressrc1794]

Man I'm definitely loving the new one, but I'm also a diehard original mudboss guy. Lol

[@JBM38]

NEW RTR, great for newbies.

[@BloodlineRC]

It is. That’s why I’m putting my kid behind the wheel. And Brandon. Brandon wants to race it

[@richardwartsbaugh5553]

midwest modified look ten times better than east coast modified.

[@BloodlineRC]

Things you never say in NY modified county 🤣

[@Goofy32105]

Finally somebody agrees the east coast modified looks like it has down syndrome and I am a little bias because we have mudwest mods here

[@jjhardie449]

Agreed! I live in Knoxville IA. Sprint Car Capital of The World. And Traxxas Nailed it with this car 100% Midwest cars look way better hands down. Sorry fellas they just do.

[@Goofy32105]

@jjhardie449 yes mideast mods look like the superguppy plane of the dirt racing community

[@guest6423]

They both look hideous.

[@kevinmoore1401]

Well this is my first oval track car. The first time I saw it at my local rc store I did not call it a mudboss! It's a modified plan and simple. I really do like it and can't wait to get 2 of them in August. It's not a mud boss it's a modified.

[@guest6423]

Y'all might want to do some more explaining why the 4x4 bellcrank is such a problem. I heard you say it limits throw, but if the car pushes, even more slip angle isn't likely to reduce understeer. The new one doesn't have the tuning time, so I'd like to see how it does after more track time, and how it runs with the Salvas body. I predict that all of the Traxxas Mudboss changes eventually become the standard for all Mudboss racing in a few years, but folks have the option of bodies and tires, at the very least.

[@BloodlineRC]

@@guest6423 from everything I’ve heard and read, the HD bell crank reduces steering by 20%. On a tight oval (like the one we ran at), there are times you are 100% dual rate. This car did feel like it needed to have the wheels cranked to the left, just a little more. Personally. I tried the black bell crank, and was told the car just won’t work as good with that and the HCG. When I changed back to the stock white, the car felt a ton better. One thing I’d like to try, is pinning this bell crank. I know people would pin the stock white servo saver, but I went with savox servos, and an aluminum horn. So never fooled with pinning. I think your prediction is spot on. This new car will take over. I only hope we get a North American rule set and we are all on the same page.

[@1dirtovalracer]

Pappa willies tire fix?

[@boduke9428]

If anyone makes a rig or names a part anything close to resembling a Traxxas rig or part they try and sue them into bankruptcy. Traxxas blatantly rips off a rig and name and it's fine. I used to have only Traxxas. I still have a couple but i hate the company now. They aren't the industry leaders i used to support.

[@Chuck-tl6no]

I thought the same thing

[@ryanlarson4700]

I have a UDR and an old TRX4 and I don’t see me adding any more of their cars to my collection. Traxxas gotta stop trying to kill the hobby.

[@flyingfortressrc1794]

I also run JBody. Great looking bodies for sure.

[@HellcatM6]

Apples and oranges, tune the midwest modified and dial it in, it will turn better with rx and servo upgrades/shock setup. It doesnt look bad out of the box to me.

[@jonesing4life126]

Well that didn’t take long lol. I thought you guys weren’t getting it.

[@BloodlineRC]

Ahhhh FOMO. plus it’s a good opportunity to give the new owners advice. We filmed ripping the trans out and some basic stuff for new drivers. Plus I’m putting my kid in it. He wants to race. These cars are perfect for new drivers

[@scottdashnaw2345]

On the next episode.. new mudboss and why we bought 6 of them 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻

[@BloodlineRC]

And we bind them all to one controller and I race myself!

[@whydidwedothat]

You guys make me laugh, I would love to run you with my Traxxas Mudboss, I would show you how to get it done and be out front. I’ve spent less than 2 hours on a stock Traxxas MB, and have it dialed in perfect. Rather than knock a good product, maybe figure out how to tweak that product and give it a good review.

[@showmoney1828]

Heres the issue with car. ((Springs)) the box stock are 2.0 they sell a 1.6 which will help entry u dont need to change shock oil. Steering connector limits the full range need as box stock... I bought one an had fun On race day..

[@brandontroyer1067]

I like them both

[@RobinSwenson-tg8tg]

Love racing my old school mudboss the is nice just work out the bugs

[@BloodlineRC]

@@RobinSwenson-tg8tg I will admit. I’m skeptical of the car. But the other night I did get the car to match the performance of our 12t Mudboss class and the car drove really nice. Got the rear to loosen up and start rotating coming out of turns when I hit the throttle. So, it was getting to be fun to drive. We will see what hapoend

[@RobinSwenson-tg8tg]

@@BloodlineRC does the new car have hexs rims like old car I like to run that tire and rim

[@BloodlineRC]

@@RobinSwenson-tg8tg it does. The wheels and tires are fully compatible with the old slash hexes

[@jstump1972]

Any suggestions on diff fluid change? 50wt seems thick

[@BloodlineRC]

@@jstump1972 I suggest none. I tried it in my Salvas car. Didn’t like it. Some like 7k. I just let the rear open

[@MrKuztumpainterz]

I’m still OG

[@TheYammerHammer]

Servo saver makes it push

[@THEBADBRADSHOW]

All this negativity makes me really worried about a hobby that was meant to be fun and make you smile. I have 2 of cars plus a full custom SC mod and there all great but none of them were as smooth and easy to turn laps with as the rtr mudboss it truly is a treat to run

[@Clown_Royal406]

I'll take 1 of each

[@Johnny6ex]

Hard tyres are good

[@BloodlineRC]

They should last awhile. So it’s good from that standpoint. If they are all on the same hard tire, it all works out

[@Johnny6ex]

@BloodlineRC yes and they are more slipery. I drift and are none bout oval I think it's stupid not that interesting but im not against it yst checked by

[@1dirtovalracer]

New hinge pins with e clips.

[@Johnny6ex]

Yes axles broke all the time even the have duty axle is going to break after some hard runs

[@attilapapp3373]

Szerintem ez egyáltalán nem egy reveláns teszt, A TRX MUDBOOS, egy teljesen beállítattlan, oval pályás gép. Mondhatjuk full stock a kerekét, és kasztniját leszámítva. Persze, hogy le tudta győzni, egy direkt ovalra állított,és már összeszokot géppel, az új még beállítattlan mudboost.! Valójában ez egy lcg vázas ,alcsonyabb, keményebb lengés csillapítókkal ellátot új kasztnis slash. Nézzük mi szól mellette. Kicsit nehezebb, mint a salvas, de a súlypont lejjebb van, tehát, az egy kicsit könnyebb de magasabb súlypontú salvas mudboos, nem biztos hogy stabilabb. De az ellazított diffi, asszimetrikus súlyú teleszkóp olaj ,alacsony gördülési ellenállású száraz csapágyak, aszimmetrikus vastagságú kerék hatszögek, és az össze szokotság a kocsival, mind előnyt jelentett az új mudboos al szemben. Ha mondjuk ezeket a beállítási módokat az új járgányon is eszközölték volna a gyári beállítás helyett, és több gyakorlási időt rá szánva, biztosan más lett volna az eredmény. Vagy ha egyerűen egy hcg stock slash ra csökkentett rugó úttal, de gyári rugókkal és olajjal engedték volna egymásnak a saját hcg alvázas old,és lcg alvázas new kasztnival épített mudboost, az egyenlő lett volna. Véleményem szerint, nem megbántva senkit, ez egy nagyon jó kis verseny gép rengeteg beállítási lehetőséggel. Nyilván az extrém újítások, mint új tengely ,nehéz kemény felfüggesztés nem érdemi újítás. De üdvözítő, hogy nem azzal kezdi az ember mit cseréljen le erősebbre, jobbra, stb. Valószínűleg sokkal észszerűbb lenne az old salvas mudboost, egyszerűen hozzá igazítani, az uj trx mudboos hoz, akképpen, hogy lcg vázra kell tenni a salvas kasztnit, és rá tenni, engedélyezni az új gumikat,a BL2s szettet. A BL2S és Titán12t között szerintem nincs is akkora különbség, teljesítményben, inkább csak modernebb. Sebesség tesztben nem volt különbség másnál sem. Szerintem nincs itt probléma, nehéz elfogadni, hogy van egy szinte kész autó,a sok éves próbálgatásokhoz képest.

[@BloodlineRC]

To be fair, it’s the tires. The tires just don’t have the grip of S1 kumhos and just aren’t as good as stock kumhos, when the track surface permits the harder tires. The weight really isn’t doing the car any favors either. The new car is ok, but it’s still not performing the same as an equivalent Salvas Mudboss stock class car. It is just it’s own thing, it will run in a class of its own. And that’s fine. It doesn’t matter if it puts down better lap times, what really matters, will they sell (which they do) and will people bring them out to support the class to race them. It’s been tough getting a decent field of these cars out, but it’s to be expected for a car only a few months old. By next year, we will get a better idea of what happens with this new car and class. I see a lot of interest in people buying and say they want to race them, but no one’s coming out. I’d just say, bring ‘em out and race them people. Every time they run, it draws a crowd to watch. So, there’s support. But, to be blunt, traxxas opened the door for comparison by building this car and building it as the ‘Mudboss’ or ‘modified’. It’s a class that was established and they jumped on the bandwagon (10 years after it started) and built something that is the same, but not comparable to the existing rule sets. It’s what aggravated a lot of people already running the class.

[@zozo_letsplayz850]

best thing to do is tear the shocks appart remove the limiters, drill pistons to 1.7 run 25w oil and then they will rock and roll, THESE ARE NOT CRAPPY MUDBOSSES, these are acctual race cars that set up with a crossweight of a racecar. if you do mudboss setup crap with these your in trouble

[@michaelharrison6978]

Very disappointed after doi g all the same work u guys done an it still plowing up the track? That sucks guess tinker till find a happy spot LOL😊

[@BloodlineRC]

@@michaelharrison6978 yeah. Ours still pushes. It’s gonna need shock work. Some guys have used a red spring on the front and that helps.

[@1dirtovalracer]

Its not a traxxas mudboss. Its a traxxas modified.

[@kylekallies3381]

Expensive for a novice car though

[@BloodlineRC]

I hear that being said a lot

[@kylekallies3381]

@@BloodlineRC considering you can get a slash BL-2s for around $250 and just add a body to it and bam you have an actual mud boss just different power delivery system

[@BloodlineRC]

@@kylekallies3381 that is true. The HCG slash only needs a front bumper and the body to make race ready. And the bumper is like $3.

[@classicminicooper]

One wasn't stolen by a giant rc conglomerate

[@Davetexas-b5r]

The chassis and suspension are nothing like a real Midwest mod looks like a regular car chassis a arms in the rear real mods have a link suspension and bars

[@ddavidson0404]

OG

[@spleantrampoline]

Might be slower cuz you drove it once.

[@mikebianco7854]

Well guys it’s new car I’m buying one put set slicks on it drag race it

[@1dirtovalracer]

Heavy duty all climate arms.

[@RichardRiedeman]

The east Coast mod looks like a toy . New mod looks like racecar ! Spell racecar. Backwor. 😮

[@1dirtovalracer]

Traxxaa modified

[@LETSGOPLAYRC]

OG