What's The Next Meta After The Hatchet Nerf? ⚔️New World Aeternum Tier List

[@thenightingale7405]

My perspective as a healer is that well built fire staves are instant nuking 50-75% of the healthbars of anyone that isn't a tank. They often delete people faster than my healing animation.

[@Altarknight]

Yes that's true! Is because lot off ppl play glass cannons 8k HP . Then they cry for healing. I stopped to play healer in OPR.

[@stonic5]

I am hitting fk all with the firestaff. Ive mained it forever and its tripping me out. Im going to do the quest ele band and try see if that makes the diff using that. Right now i land a heavy fireball heavy pillar and its total like 6 to 8k damage... I am normally good at this and have played like 200 wars as fs 😢

[@NickNackPaddywack]

As a tank I've had some people two shot and three shot me. From full health no debuffs on me shits insane.

[@Altarknight]

@@NickNackPaddywack i sure becase u are full enchanted and no reduction for Ability damage is confirmed!

[@diobrando622]

Meta can be anything until they fix elemental band and deckhands promotion amount of dmg buff u get from these is just insane

[@christhunder8]

Everyone is crying about elemental band, yes it's broken but they need to nerf bb tracking with aim lock.

[@dave9967]

You can only have 50% empower

[@hehe152jeje6]

They already nerfed the aim lock ​@@christhunder8

[@GP-ur6if]

Yep

[@christhunder8]

@@hehe152jeje6 yes but not enough for bb the tracking is insane and hits all bullets, at short distance al they have to do is aim lock and hit u like a truck. I have seen ppl and test it all u do is walk to ur target target lock and shoot, no skill on that plus all the damage it deals is insane

[@joshuasmith1597]

Without watching---firestaff, void gauntlet, lifestaff.

[@sdsaints4559]

Sorry but people just dont understand their roles ... And because of that everyone complains about everything . Light assasins die agaisnt mages in open fields and cry they dont have stickness , mages die against muskets in open field and complain muskets do too much damage , muskets running 5 con and complaing they die for just one crit fireball , Medium/Heavy Users can stay inside a zone without major issues and they complain they dont have agility to catch a light user .... Basically EVERYONE wants their class to be the best in every scenario and then complain about everything other classes are better . The only things that are busted in this game are hitscans ( Musket and BB ) because simply shouldnt exist or if yeah the damage should be lower... and assassins should have a stealth ( invisibility ) to be able to start a fight from close range agaisnt a ranged which doesent mean they should be able to stick on a target just by left clicking . Firestaff deserves the damage it has because has 0 utily is a purely damage weapon ... the only utility it has is burnout that has a really really long animation that is interrupted by any stagger .

[@AlwaysSaucedd]

It’s crazy how hard people just ride the meta in this game. The DAY the patch came out without testing anything people put away the hatchet and picked up fire staffs and BBs lol people are so afraid to use skill in this game it’s hilarious…anything they can abuse or exploit they’ll switch to until something else becomes that weapon

[@stonic5]

We have a massive amount of new people. It makes a lot of sense for new players to trust build advice from vets. Also anyone over 120ms has probs dropped any melee wep currently.

[@sauceK21]

For real..I'm a fresh start and I was using hatchet without even knowing what meta was. When the switch happened I went into an OPR and it seemed like I was facing whole team of Ryu and Kens lol

[@keykey2152]

Agree, sticking to bow for 2 years now still having 13 KD in OPRs overall😅

[@vz7549]

Skill matters when there is a balance, when you have Fire staves that can do that amount of damage and have any kind of ability for long range, close range and mobility... and even in bad hands is able to nuke players in matters of seconds, as a melee you have no chance to compete, so obviously people don't want to play in disadvantage and they switch. The hatchet was probably the only melee that allowed to compete with FS and VG, but now that has been taken away... along with most of the melee options, so what's left to do?

[@JesterJack]

This is the exact reason I stay away from wars. It's not about a fair fight at all, it's about who is exploiting and doing it better.

[@weirdodude1173]

A lot of us have been wondering, thanks!

[@senorsleepy2359]

I completely agree with this. I’m a voidblade player, I was doing abyss vb but once I swapped to fs the amount of impact I made in opr was crazy. In 3s it’s about the same. Same with open world people used to get away but not anymore.

[@McDudes]

meta already shifted to firestaff again but I believe blunderbuss will be the next #1 hated weapon until the accuracy nerfs

[@thenightingale7405]

I'm not really worried about BB. They need to run right up to me to do anything. FS will nuke you from up on the wall.

[@tonykuz]

The number 1 company on our server switched their qdps and kill squads into bb’s and they tore up our backlines

[@kehmer]

blunderbuss is already my most hated to play against lmao

[@spiritwyrmk8622]

And it's only because of target lock. Morons cried that target lock wasn't going to be a problem and look at where we are... a weapon that after nerfs was left as an utility tool because netshot is too good is now a top tier weapon.

[@Reaper-bp8pf]

@@spiritwyrmk8622 Only because of target lock? Lol... Blunderbuss was #1 hated before target lock even became a thing. Just wait till they unnerf its PvP damage next season. People won't even need target lock to one shot you.

[@vettstang]

Yes updated list!! TY!

[@AleexTg]

great tier list!

[@spiritwyrmk8622]

Funny how people immediately dropped hatchet. The weapon wasn't even nerfed, it just had the tracking adjusted. It confirms that most players are just meta slaves and only used it because it was easy 😂

[@tango2327]

It's cuz most players need to use the best, least skilled weapon. It really shows with the Firestaff and BB. BB is auto aimed hitscan and firestaff can miss but will still hit from splash at 100%dmg. Atleast other ranged weapons take some skill as auto aim doesn't work that well, throwing axe being the most skill dependent/highest dmg ranged.

[@stonic5]

Spoken like true sub 100ms ping player. Stay classy dude.

[@stonic5]

​@@tango2327pretty sure most people played 1 or 2 games of opr and had most of their hits not land. The OP tracking allowed people over 100ms to play melee builds.

[@DukeSloth]

I mean, there were 3 separate changes that all affected the performance of the hatchet. One of them was technically a fix and one was supposedly a "fix", but all of them combined most certainly reduced the overall effectiveness of the hatchet. Due to it's insane tracking, it was too good pre-nerf so now it's just more normal.

[@GP-ur6if]

It is hard for me to tell on my new server, but I can always tell who has the elemental band+gear, no matter what they are running.

[@zzzsss3871]

i use finisher/musket in PVP and I just MELT any fire staff players. they're literally easier for me to deal with than any melee player closing the range on me. not sure where this fs op myth is coming from. ( yes, ik, elemental band, just duck the damn attacks lol )

[@mwhighlander]

Its fire staff. Its very obviously fire staff. Life staff in PvP is also very busted. Its very difficult to kill without a VERY high amount of -% healing disease. VB light spam is also strong since its elemental melee, which is hard to mitigate aside enchanted ward and void/elemental generic gem protection.

[@shann9711]

Thanks for the nice vid it helps a lot So peraphs if I still want to do a melee build, I should play void blade with ice gauntlet or SS pair with.. I don't know what?

[@NYgiants88]

Only disagreement is musket should be s+ int builds are insane right now with ele band and natures wrath bug. Musket also stronger with 725 gear. Lifetaker musket is just broken and not fun to play against. Perma haste and accel traps with legit 7 cc abilities with lifetaker is insane.

[@juffe_h1666]

Smack a bb on simple 😂

[@yipp_yippee]

Unless they revisit Tracking on Shield Rush and Shield Bash SnS needs to be lowered in value for PVP.... Reposted from another of your videos in which I commented "A multi year SnS DPS Main Veteran Player here... After a week of testing the new tracking on Shield Rush and Leaping Strike (did not test shield bash) I have formed the following opinion. Shield Rush currently is almost useable. Unless your target is dead on, you miss, no stagger, no slow from last perk on ability tree, no damage... you just miss your target. There is zero forgiveness with aim. Leaping Strike does not feel as bad in comparison because it never had as much of a forgiving tracking as Shield Rush. They cant have done this intentionally."

[@80NANZA]

Devs def plays FS for sure lol never nerfed like musket

[@RandomGaming85]

Flail is absolutely garbage. The base and ability damage is way too low. It doesn't even make sense. There are so many oversights on how the flail works. Here is an example: The Destabilize perk to the Trip ability adds a 145% follow up heavy attack. The follow up attack doesn't have grit, executes slower than a charged heavy attack, does less damage than a charged heavy attack (150%), and worse of all requires a button press to activate meaning that it can fail to even trigger if you are interrupted. The flail's downsides are further exacerbated by its reliance on using a shield which lowers armor combination possibilities.

[@MalstoneNW]

Flail is S tier, most people dont know how to play it.

[@ryanconnelly308]

@@MalstoneNW Any advice? Love the flail but struggling to find a useable build outside wars.

[@MalstoneNW]

@@ryanconnelly308 The best Flails are running Artifact life staff, building empower stacks and then going into flail combo with eruption on weapon. Use Featherweight and make sure you got the right skill tree points.

[@forgebreaker7752]

last patch had no D-tier, but it had 2 tiers above A? wot da hellllllll

[@stonic5]

Duke and co. I need help. 5k hour firestaff main here. My heavys only do 1500ish and skills only crit up to like 2.5k to 3k. All my old clips have way higher numbers. How to pump numbers? I dont have band quests done yet. And no alac on staff or fireball perk.

[@x_x714]

5k hours and still bad at FS. 😂😂

[@stonic5]

​@@x_x714honestly feels like i have done something wrong. Even my tank fs flamethrower build from last season was hitting higher numbers. This feels worse than pre smolder fs, but i see others doing decent dmg numbers in clips.

[@mgm-52]

What weap/armor artifacts? Def get the ele band quest done or at least the hearty/keen part and then add Invig Punishment. Could also be that a lot of peeps tend to protect against fire. An easy staff to get is the Primordial Flame and then just add alacritous punishment to it.

[@stonic5]

​@@mgm-52deep freeze 725 and shitty 725 raid fs. Keen, keenly jag and that new perk. Attuned pants, only 2 fire harnessing, rest is refreshing and defensive perks. No runeglass in armour or wep. No dmg perk on ring. 50str 25dex 450int 25 focus 150con are my stats moat the time i think. Ill report back tomorrow on how much a diff the 4 ele proc ele band feels.

[@mgm-52]

@@stonic5 No need for the 50 Str. Would add to Con or Int. Runeglass/Harnessing Would be an extra 20% and if you get a fs with attune or shirking, one auto will give you 4 stacks of empower (+16%) from ele band. If you were lucky enough to not salvage the Deckhands Promotion earring then you can always throw that on for an extra 24% empower lol.

[@Nitrosalami]

Agreed pretty much. But bow is S tier

[@LeslieSnipes]

Eleband / blunderbuss

[@DoqiReborn]

where are the patch notes ?

[@V9V5]

All I can see are FS with Elemental Band and bb aimlock

[@Dedal123456]

great axe with tempest fury?

[@a1rl2]

Bow all the way even if it was the weakest weapon

[@Type2Nolf]

Elemental band with bow dot builds ruin people even in clumps, only counter is cleanses and the bow vg is like musket vg with slightly less dmg upfront but more dot at higher dmg especially with distained infliction. Or just use hoplite ring with element of choice to split ur bow to something unprotected like arcane and get some arcane harnessing or runeglass in ur armor to bump the hits

[@a1rl2]

@ i never used it because i felt it was cheating + only for short time not good investment to invest in.

[@joeyhendriks1744]

VG needs to be nerfed into the dirt. has been broken in some way since it came out. Voidblade dueling with scream lockdown as well as plague and dot dmg is absolutley rediculous. not to mention lifetaker taking meta range over with dot builds.

[@oldscratch2506]

I do like that this game has an actual skill requirement. If you’ve put in work and learned the weapon, put together a build, any weapon is viable. I love the game for that. On topic, tier looks good for the most part. Flail being where it is I absolutely agree with.

[@madmancasacreativa3]

The tracking on the rapier got really bad overall, flurry went from decent to garbarge in this patch.

[@bizzzzzzle]

Until they remove target lock, some form of ranged will be the most hated, and they will continue to blame us console players for it….

[@flyingmatteo89]

Is this a pvp tier list?

[@AleexTg]

yes

[@madmancasacreativa3]

yes

[@martinramirez4433]

i don't agree with you on flail been B tier lol I'm a flail/Axe main and i mostly kill anyone in free pvp area so i wont say is a SS but is not a B but again that is just my point of view.

[@jefepeeps4308]

Was this made with the thought of all the exploits that are still in the game or just pretending that none of them exist?

[@stonic5]

As a non eleband fs user this list is 100% including all bug absue as normal.

[@DukeSloth]

Including broken mechanics like ele bands. Not including macro exploits like triple shot BB. Don't think there's any value in making a tier list on what has essentially the same impact as outright hacking.

[@PoleVault]

Dagggers d tier

[@GRINGO018]

Spear and war hammer here and i have still no t lost to the s tiers yet🤷‍♂️ its more who have a better build and pvp skill

[@MalstoneNW]

I’m convinced you dont pvp vs S tier players.

[@stonic5]

Actually from all the vods and metas over the years i would say AP has the most S tier players even tho they the smallest region. Some of those SEA players are actually soo craked even on high ping.

[@MalstoneNW]

@@stonic5 This list is utterly ridiculous. Maybe… just maybe, he should add columns for different tier categories… like War Tier, Arena Tier, OPR Tier, etc. Because saying flail is trash is BEYOND me. Flail/lifestaff is literally THE strongest healer in arena ATM and can carry a team and burst someone down in a 1v1.

[@dyslexicape4249]

Did melee tracking get fixed and hatchet get a ghost buff? Tracking on melee feels normal now and properly follows dodges also hatchet tracking actually works a little bit again

[@dyslexicape4249]

@ I think your just shit at the game

[@biostud09]

SNS is by far the best melee weapon. It’s the only melee weapon that should be in S+.

[@tubinauta420]

to be honest, last patch kills the third relaunch, see the numbers...and see again in 2 weeks

[@stonic5]

Most that ive talked to seem to burning out on pvp track grind or not logging in untill pvp track is made less insane. I still have no pvp artefacts.

[@tubinauta420]

@@stonic5 pvp artifacts...for what? melee is broken so serenity is useless, all the other artifacts in pvp are useless too

[@ItsMeEnki]

Finally they nerfed

[@CoDroStyleHD]

FS is a massive problem at the moment. I would have put it in S+ previous patch, now its even worse because all the Hatchet players have moved over. Having the highest DPS, while Also having range, being able to abuse the elemental band bug AND the class is just generally easy to deploy, requires very little skill or practice. The OPR experience is almost on par with 2022 Musket meta which basically killed the game, but its worse because musket doesn't have burnout for a free escape. If it stays this way I can see a lot of players just straight up quitting again because its just simply not fun.

[@WilE1337_]

Hatchet/Blunderbuss/fire staff still most oppressing weapons with literally no downside needs changes/nerfs to be more inline with other weps

[@LeslieSnipes]

Yea this

[@stonic5]

No downside.. are all of those great stam breaking weps?? or are they all hard countered by sns... Even my ig blocking counters a lot of what those 3 do.

[@juffe_h1666]

If you are bad at the game hatchet is a threat, cause it is a scrub killer. Blunderbuss and Firestaff aimlock? Just gamebreaking can’t go even near to them cause you drop low while doing that 😂

[@fullmetalathlete]

::cries in Greatsword/spear main:: I don't wanna play a LS/VG 😭 but as someone who just wants to go into the FFA zone, get my coconut and get out without getting ganked, I'm thinking I might need to set it up... despite the hatchet/BB issues and other things, FS+elemental band is still the only thing that constantly destroys me... One shot to dismount me, and the burn ticks kill me before I can even close the gap on them...that's with 40% fire absorption...I hate that dang weapon so much.... Duke could you make a video talking about the issue with the Grace artifact? I've seen multiple GS players talking about how the speed buff on the item description doesn't work and the only speed you get is the normal haste from the Swift Onslaught trait working as it always has, and how the abilities override each other with the winged leather boots and don't actually compliment each other like you'd think they would...I had hype for this weapon but it seems broken (in the bad way) whether by design or by bug...but I'd be curious to see you do your analysis and maybe breakdown what is and isn't truly going on with it...

[@Dr34m4x]

You keep your coconut even if you die, it is not cursed

[@fullmetalathlete]

@Dr34m4x yeah I'm aware of that but I'd still rather not die and lose half the rest of my stuff since I went in the zone...not really into having the productivity of my time cut in half...also, like damn, it would be nice to feel like I even had a fighting chance against a FS vs just watching them stand 50m away and laugh as I burn and can't do anything to counter it...shit is annoying...

[@stonic5]

I havnt been killed when i go get my coco. I use a heavy sns gs set. I use the haste wep perk on shield for speedy. Heavy attacks with gs in def stance. 90% the fights go for a min or 2 then i mic up saying "let me get coco and i give free kill" they always wait or run off. Voip is king of ffa just sayin.

[@Dr34m4x]

@@fullmetalathlete Yeah I feel you... Used to play sns/spear light dps assasin, and since the last patch, I'm getting destroyed by FS... now I went for a medium figther SNS/Spear build with shirking heals, shield bash, sweep, etc (venom spear)... I can safely say that I basically destroyed anyone 1v1 yesterday in 4 OPR's back to back, a lot of 1vX also (max up to 1v3, more is kinda impossible if they know what they doing xD). So I'd say that CC abilities are the antedote to your problems. Or you can just go a full heavy tanky build like @stonic5 said, and nobody will kill you. I ran into a guy like that once, we fought for 5 minutes straight without any outcomes (he didnt deal any damage to me cuz he was a mega tank, I didnt do any damage to him cuz he was a mega tank xD), so we just decided to call it even and go separate ways

[@planetg2125]

Only GS can trade void bade if void caller is procd, buy only if using skills and heavies

[@Fleebuss]

nope especially not in onslaught stance

[@planetg2125]

@@Fleebuss yeah because reach you can

[@MarkD-pl4fu]

My prediction: the game will forever be a useless POS, just like the devs.

[@09nahna]

Duke pvp's? Lol

[@TAOTAO-yv2lo]

Now do pve

[@BolsaPTeEUA]

so bad ranking.. .dang you playing the game???

[@leetstyle]

A good shot with a musket or bow completely counters firestaff if anyone is interested. While firestaff does big damage and aoe damage, fire staff has the slowest travel time as a range weapon meaning you really have to lead your shots unless someone is standing still. But on top of leading shots, you must also be able to predict which way people go, which could be hard if anyone has any experience juking shots. I have had good melee juke me into full retreat while not being able to damage them, being a top % shot for years in all fps and 3ps games and putting in over a thousand hours as a firestaff.

[@humbertopineiro834]

FS is ez as hell. FS player aim the floor because huge hit box.

[@a1rl2]

@@humbertopineiro834agreed most of them

[@oGFunction]

Firestaff is legit the easiest of any to aim, far easier than bow or musket, hit box is massive so you can miss and still hit. Firestaff also has a faster fire rate so it's a hard counter for bows

[@stonic5]

Bert is the best firestaff user ive ever seen. He could kill people with just heavys that never miss.

[@Drreeyy]

NEW META = MUSKET.FS,BB + AIMLOCK + VOIDBLADE = #PVPMONSTER , #SKILLISSUE , #LEFTCLICK