What's The Point of Dune? The Key Themes of The Dune Saga

SPOILER ALERT. This video is for Fedaykin ONLY! Dune 2020 is happening. There has been an onslaught of new photos of the movie and the set. So far everything looks pretty epic and a whole new wave of excitement has been ignited for this movie and the Dune series as a whole. Before we get started if you wanted detailed breakdowns of Dune lore check out my Ultimate Guide to Dune Videos which can be found in the playlist on my channel front page.
So far I’ve covered the first 6 original Frank Herbert Dune Books and I’m currently working on the final video in the series. Many people are talking about Dune right now, which is great because I think it’s one of the greatest and certainly one of the most influential Science Fiction Sagas of all time. But Dune is also very complicated not only narratively often, but thematically as well. So in this video I will do my very best to break down some of the key themes of the series. First however, we have to briefly talk about the setting of the Dune Universe and its social and political structure!
Alright, So Dune takes place in the year 10190 AG. This is about 20,000 years in our future. The Epoch AG stands for After Guild. The guild is significant enough to be used as a marker of time because the guild provided a means for safe faster than light travel between worlds, which effectively unified the imperium. You’ve probably heard that the Dune universe runs on a substance called spice. That is true, the Planet Arrakis, also known as Dune is the only planet in the known universe where the spice Melange can be found. The spice is a substance that extends life, heightens awareness, in some it can lead to prescient vision, and it is also essential to space travel. Oh and one last thing, the spice is highly addictive to the point that once you become addicted you must continue taking it otherwise the withdrawals will kill you.
The Empire is maintained by a balance of power between the Emperor, The Noble Great Houses of the Landsraad, The Spacing Guild, and The Highly Secretively, Highly Manipulative, ever adapting Bene Gesserit Sisterhood. The Bene Gesserit sisterhood are key to the essential plot lines of Dune. For thousands of years they’ve been attempting to create The Kwisatz Haderach. The Kwisatz Haderach would be a man trained in their ways possessing all of their powers and more. But Ultimately their plans are thrown off when the Bene Gesserit Lady Jessica, who was given the task of bearing daughters only to the Duke Atreides, chose to give birth to a son instead. Jessica trained her son Paul in the Bene Gesserit way. The result was a Kwisatz Haderach born a generation too soon. Paul was not bound under Bene Gesserit conditioning, they could not control him. Inadvertently through their own hubris they unleashed a super being unto the universe and the eventual results would be devastating and long lasting.
Alright so now that we’ve gotten all of that out of the way it’s time to get to the main topic of this video. What are the key themes of the Dune Saga?
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[@Dionysion]

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton Absolute power does not corrupt absolutely, absolute power attracts the corruptible. - Frank Herbert

[@Shagamaw-100]

Power does not change personality it merely reveals it.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@Shagamaw-100 it depends on who tho.

[@Shagamaw-100]

@@Gadget-Walkmen Maybe not sure really.

[@nickl5658]

Very true. Saw that alot with interns on capitol hill. Power attracts those who desire it. Power merely uncovers who they really are but were fearful of admitting.

[@originalgoldengoddess]

@@Shagamaw-100 agree

[@joshbigz8440]

What is the point of Dune? well maybe its different for everyone but it taught me to never sit with my back to a door.

[@silverbane8065]

Glad Im not the only one that learned that lesson. I'm most comfortable with my back to the wall, or in the corner lol.

[@sahamal_savu]

Also, “Knowing that a trap exists is the first step in avoiding it."

[@ashaide]

Ah, I see I'm not the only one who learned this lesson. Bi-lal Kaifa.

[@warpartyattheoutpost4987]

DUNE taught me to never sit with my back to the door. *The Army really reinforced that lesson.*

[@Langkowski]

The Baron was sitting with his back to a secret door, and it saved his life. So I guess it's OK if nobody knows the door.

[@danilocastelli2435]

Ecology is another theme in the Dune saga. The cycles of a planet and how they relate to the native population. The transformation humans can make on a planet and their consequences.

[@yggdrasil1969]

I loved how Dune deconstructed the biospheres of systems as being a simple matter of available energy and energy transference.

[@ericnorth6577]

And the transformation an environment can make on a people, no?

[@danilocastelli2435]

@@ericnorth6577 totally

[@SMY552]

Yes, exactly this. And also the inverse...

[@THX-bz8bi]

Terraformimg(?)

[@mattchew6426]

Dune is essentially a dramatic study into sci-fi sociology. The intricacies of the study are how the overarching story in each book is framed. The nature of civilization and humanity is examined throughout the entire story. It is a deeply affecting narrative that uncovers subtle truths about life, in it's many forms...

[@mattchew6426]

@@Princess2Warrior I'm not sure, I've never read "Woke Dune"...

[@mariajudith1895]

Princess2Warrior Pretty childish Question, lady!!!

[@mattchew6426]

@Jason Moore It sounds to me like you haven't read it...

[@user-lp7tx1fe6t]

@Jason Moore lol read it again pls

[@hah-no.]

Even in the movie, the still small voice in his head, spoke straight facts, and forever rings true.

[@Redem10]

Seriously they better invite Quinn to the premiere of that movie

[@Another_opinion_]

I hope he will

[@krackshot322]

Maybe if he decides to read the books...this video makes it obvious that he didn't bother to read anything.

[@Another_opinion_]

@@krackshot322 did you find his review not pertinent?

[@sid2112]

@@krackshot322 explain.

[@krackshot322]

@@Another_opinion_ in the books the main over riding theme is the golden path...Paul sees humanity end and the only way to salvation is the golden path. Everything he did and Leto God emperor did was to avoid extinction by strictly following the path.

[@mr9ine138]

Prescience is the most interesting theme in Dune for me. I think that Paul used it as a crutch, and he was too afraid to carve his own path. When he meets his son in the desert he tells him “you cannot control the future”, as if he himself realized it too late. He only refused to become the God Emperor because of the grotesque nature of it. His prescience could not see that Chani was having twins, his prescience showed him being killed by Jamis but it didn’t happen, and I think that those were the hints that he should have never relied on it. He probably would have been much happier if he retreated back to Caladan with Chani, and rebuilt the Atreides army after becoming Emperor, but instead he lived his life in auto pilot with his visions making his decisions for him, and he paid dearly for it.

[@michaeldamato9466]

Nice interpretation of this story..... much better than the rest of the garbage that's been attached to it.

[@izak5356]

​@@michaeldamato9466 such as?

[@seanhewitt603]

He became paralysed by fear. The sheer immensity of sacrifice, and Millenia to relive it over and over... Would you do his job, or would you be a good freman and walk into the desert for a decade? Hmm?..

[@Athena_208]

You explain this very well. It totally makes sense.

[@powermetalbard]

I've always connected the litany against fear from Dune to mental illness. It might not be a massive aspect of the book but it was certainly one of the things that had the biggest impact on me. Having struggled with anxiety in my past, the "Fear is the Mind-killer" quote always really spoke to me.

[@Fyre0]

I can definitely see that. Somewhat related, when I was reading the first book, I had an excruciatingly painful shoulder injury that I had to wait an entire weekend before getting it fixed. On those nights where the pain was agony in itself, lines from the litany came to mind over and over especially in the context of the Gom Jabar scene with Paul. Idk, it helped.

[@turtlemama888]

I'm in my 60s grew up with the influences if Dune, almost everyone I know in my age bracket can recite the litany against fear by heart (and I think by heart is mire appropriate than from memory).

[@ericmartinez1665]

Me too.

[@peterhughes4762]

Just like how the Jedi shouldn’t let fear get to the, recall Yoda’s warning. Many parallels to Star Wars but then again I have heard it said that G. Lucas got some of his ideas from Dune.

[@Diogolindir]

Same to me. I do repeat the Lithany when my thoughts want to go wild. Ive seen what anxiety does to me. I also use meditation.

[@mikethe2nd890]

I could listen to you talking about dune for hours..

[@maxrobertson7610]

Princess2Warrior ya that was a little to much, but people were over reacting

[@cvmitchell9368]

I know, right?!!😄

[@ddy3smptr]

I thank you for your dedication to sharing your interpretations and thoughts of the Dune saga and your enthusiasm to the new movie(s), I absolutely love when an artist’s creation or interpretation of a story or idea transcends being a subject of simple entertainment and the upcoming movie appears to be just that. I certainly hope it lives up to the hype and anticipation I’ve created in my mind. I love the original movie even with its clear flaws and the Sci-fi mini series that derived deeper into it all but what’s coming in the near future looks to dwarf it all

[@braylonrandle1731]

His excitement kinda just rubs off on ya’

[@twig8523]

With his Dune playlists... Yes, yes you can.

[@jackjack-vi5ps]

Do not trust a charismatic leader. Is what I taken from the books

[@throatwobblermangrove8510]

"Give the consumers what they want" is what I took from the books. Herbert didn't plan to make it a series, and didn't expect Duncan Idaho to be so popular with the readers. After being inundated with requests for a sequel and complaints at the death of their favorite character, he brought him back as a ghola, and to eventually become the real Kwizatz Haderach. I would like to see what he would have originally done if not pressured to resurrect Duncan. Miles Teg would have made a good one I think, until he was ruined by Brian and Kevin.

[@nathangriffiths2851]

"Griffith" in Berserk sounds like he fits in Dune

[@user-lp7tx1fe6t]

@@throatwobblermangrove8510 Herbert planned most of it before starting to write the first book.

[@dangray6019]

...or a charismatic KZbin narrator! ;)

[@pixelcount350]

Or trump

[@h0lyavenger]

The themes of Dune is more relevant than ever today...

[@mrnobody6447]

Scifi does that well.

[@wwcwcp09]

Especially since the past 6 months and before that, I cannot understand the incessant desire for if not war, then conflict. Why is it hard for anyone who finds it to be so to have all ideas and dreams in coexistence rather than any one free thinking idea or dream oppressing that of any another's?? I'll never understand it. Would you please comment on my post here? It would be great and helpful! Thank you in advance!!

[@TheDaeroner]

@@wwcwcp09 war and conflict are the instruments through which human society has been shaped since time immemorial. Throughout history, for a new paradigm to arise the old must fall, that change demands violence.

[@BrianKelsay]

Any fervent, unquestioning, following of any person or religion should be questioned. Check the BS that the NXIVM scumbag fed to people and then abused all those women. It took 10 years or more before he was found out and arrested. He cost so much for the people involved. It is great that he was stopped before he turned them into a doomsday cult and led them all to their deaths.

[@vrinnmetagen]

@@CumeronThomas what made up genders? Dune has several main characters that are the mental amalgam of men and women and can call on specific people on a whim. If your ok with that then you should be ok with a biological male or biological female identifying as the counterpart

[@jeantesc812]

I've told people that the I theme is "Be careful when you ask for a messiah because you just might get one, and you're not going to like it". It's always annoyed me when folks that haven't read the whole series spout "It's and allegory about oil and climate change!"

[@ismata3274]

i can agree about the oil one, but its only a probe in the story, not what the story is about.

[@justinchisholm646]

@Reginald Holt Obviously the story is not about oil, however that was a major hot button issue at the time Frank wrote his stories, and you can't help but see some of it in his story. Try as Tolkien always wanted to say, you as a reader knew World War I is in that book. The book is about so so much more, but the actual lines at as first read plot points are pretty much about oil at first glance. At least allow the surface level reader that.

[@captgeesh5163]

I've never read it as being as skeptical about religion as Quinn sees it. I've always read it as the interplay between progress and morality. The golden path is the most highly amiable and virtuous mission possible. The progression and health of the human and the necessities of morality in that pursuit are paramount in the series. I've watched all of Quinn's stuff and he doesn't seem to see the value of the butlerian jihad or the the Golden path as a limiting factor to reckless development. Limiting man's technical achievements in order to foster man's spiritual achievements is a major theme running through the books. Technology will always outpace human development and has a tendency to displace ageless wisdom. You may not agree with the tenants of some faith, but the very basis of culture lies on the bedrock of ageless lessons. This is obvious in the text, as one of the keys of the messiah is his ability to access his lineage. It is also one of his chief dangers, as alia finds out. Humanity should be cautious in its pursuit of Godhood, especially if that pursuit comes without morality as with the Ixians or the tleilaxu. Likewise, stagnation is the ultimate price of zeal and should be avoided. Its a good indicator of how strong the art it that two people can take very different messages from the same material.

[@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma]

@@captgeesh5163 Yeah, I agree, well said. Dune isn't about questioning leadership or religion - that would be something humans already do since ancient times - not a new idea; beating the dead horse. I'm glad at least some people got this deeper point from reading the saga. As per usual, the liberal arts/humanities, leftist crowd see things through their shallow ideology. I hope the movie can capture that deeper river of thought that runs through Dune and not only this superficial criticism of religion and hierarchy. Dune is really mainly about answering this deeper question that humans ask themselves since the dawn of their sentience: how will our consciousness evolve into something transcendence, how can we not fall in the trappings of relying on technology like on a crutch and find a golden path into the future?

[@captgeesh5163]

@@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma agreed. The wisest character in the series is the titular GOD EMPEROR, Leto II. Leto 2 is also the most selfless person in the entire series. An argument could certainly be made for Paul or Alia being leaders one must be weary of, but Leto 2 shined a light on the perils of utopia. He illustrated how pain was necessary for growth. Paul didn't have the courage to be what he was supposed to be, but leto 2 did. Yes he was a literal monster, sowing jihad across the stars while becoming the worm, but in his story we understand some fundamental truth about the nature of the divine. Leto made sacrifice after sacrifice over millennia all for an ultimate good that no one but he could possibly understand or have the courage to strive for themselves. His reward was hatred, distrust, and his eventual death. Even in his death, his sacrifice was apparent as he reseed dune with his body and by his actions, forced humanity into the very necessary diaspora that in the end, saved the race.

[@GenXCoder]

I think 1 fact you seem to skip over about the Bene Gesserit is that, through the "Agony" then are given "Inner Sight", the ability to access the memories of their ancestors (Only on the female side). The Kwisatz Haderach would be able to see both sides of his ancestors (male and female). So he would have perfect sight, both into the past and into the future.

[@SonofSethoitae]

In theory, anyway. Paul's sight was apparently incomplete according to Children of Dune.

[@TheGraemi]

@@SonofSethoitae I'm not sure it was incomplete but he was no R. Daniel. ;-) Processing power. I think the god emperor heighten that by suppressing his emotion as much as possible for a human.

[@hitandruncommentor]

Well according to the last book in the series by Frank’s son Brian, Paul had imperfect sight. If I remember right it’s because he clings so tightly to his humanity thus justifying him being a king or emperor. While Leto let’s go his humanity and thus ascends to a kind of godhood but a limited one. The real Kwisatz being the guy that keeps getting cloned and thus not only seeing but living thousands of lives and coming to understand the emotion essential to humanity and the cold logic essential to machine.

[@thomassenbart]

@@hitandruncommentor Duncan

[@hitandruncommentor]

@@thomassenbart thank you. It’s been awhile since I finished the series

[@angelrivera2339]

I always found it fascinating in the Dune saga how power can shown. the Emperor and the Great Houses have their armies, the Spacing Guild have their monopoly on interstellar travel and the Bene Gessarit have power over all of humanity with their manipulation of human evolution. I always thought that the Bene Gessarit were the most dangerous because they had the patience to make plans that would take thousands of years for their schemes to come to fruition. the novels also showed that an individual can affect everything around them. Lady Jessica loved a man to overcome her training and conditioning to give Leto a son. It also shows that absolute power is an illusion. Paul and Leto spend a lot of time contemplating that they had no control on the forces that they unleashed on the universe. that surprised me when I read the first novel. The biggest, most powerful badass of the story knew as he dueled Feyd Rautha that no matter if he lives or dies on the duel, the jihad will sweep the universe regardless.

[@mariajudith1895]

Princess2Warrior C’mon lady, don’t waste the precious time Of others with your insecurities and pessimistic ideals!!!

[@jeanfrancozaratemarcial7916]

@@Princess2Warrior You reek of ignorance, fellow right wing woman (and no, i´m no liberal either, i hate all the extreme political sides of the spectrum)

[@jeanfrancozaratemarcial7916]

@@mariajudith1895 Don´t fed the trolls, her ideals are corrupt, and can´t see beyond them, her inner eye hasn´t awakened yet!

[@jeanfrancozaratemarcial7916]

@@Princess2Warrior Replied to you once, I can do it many times as you wish to continue I enjoy arguing with possers that pretend to love science fiction, but in reality they don't know anything about the themes Tell me, what's your own depiction of Dune?? Have you read the original book?? Or the Frank Herbert's sequels??

[@21CCommunIT]

@@Princess2Warrior Hey, *idiot* "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past *I will turn the inner eye* to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." *Unwoke Dune*

[@duotone69]

Frank Herbert was instilled with prescience. Too many shadows from his books walk openly among us and I think Quinn is subtly pointing that out.

[@thegrimcritic5494]

... I never thought “Questioning Authority” felt like the central theme in Dune. It IS a very present theme in the book, don’t get me wrong, but I believe a more central theme of the first book revolves around Fate or Destiny being both liberating as well as imprisoning for those caught in its current. Lady Jessica “defies fate” when she bears a son, Paul, out of love for Leto. This obliterates the plans of the Bene Gesserit who believed themselves capable of virtually “controlling” the fates and destinies of the entire human race by throwing a wild card into their midst that they simply cannot control. On the other hand, her actions also simultaneously imprison her son into a fate or destiny that he knows he expressly CANNOT escape; dooming him to become the man who upends the Paddishah Empire even though he never stated any real desire to do so before his arrival on Arakkis. There are some who wish to control fate (dogmatic and corrupt authority), others who wish to defy it in the name of individual autonomy (Jessica), and then those who realize they are subservient to their fate regardless of the beliefs of the prior two positions (Paul). That I think is the most disturbingly powerful message Dune has to tell: What if in the attempt to control your fate, YOU end up instead being controlled by it?

[@thegrimcritic5494]

Also, incredibly enough, there is a powerfully feminist undertone to the first book that threw me for a shocked but very impressed loop when I read it. Lady Jessica is a mother and the cornerstone of the Atriedes family, but is arguably THE most proactive character in the whole book, and certainly one of the most dangerous as well. Also, while others disregard her as a mere concubine, she either wears the title as a mark of pride or acts to prove to them that she is infinitely more than a mere consort. Hell, I still remember how the last sentence in the first book surprised me with how he decided to leave the story off; with Lady Jessica telling her daughter-in-law that, “(W)e Chani, we who carry the name of concubine-history will call us wives.” The different analyses you could make on this book are... honestly almost limitless.

[@thefriendlynightmare54]

My father was the first one in the family to read DUNE, when it came out in our country. I am reading it now and understanding his obsession with it, I can agree with him in his likings now and I think it's going to be a family thing from now on. Generation to generation we are going to read DUNE and ingrave it into our memory as one of the best Sci-Fi series books of all time.

[@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277]

With most sc-fi works, when somebody asks "what's it about", you start with something like "post apocalyptic", "space adventure", "galactic war", "space opera". With DUNE you start "let me explain the sociopolitical structures". Great vid, as always. And if there were no DUNE, there would be no WH 40k.

[@Shagamaw-100]

Or star wars to prophet.

[@blacklite911]

You can say something similar about The culture series by iain m banks

[@NyksWyldMynd]

I'v oddly been getting into Dune lately, just out of coincidence and didn't know about the new remake coming out later this year. Your videos have helped me get a stronger grasp on all the themes and subtle commentaries in the books. Thanks!

[@devastator3904]

I think this is the most significant of Quinn's videos. The particulars of the Dune universe are interesting, but it is the philosophy behind it that are important. The adaptations will always change details, I think that's fine as long as they get the theme right. And strangely, not just for Dune, but for fans of Warhammer 40,000 that draw so much from Dune, THESE are the lessons.

[@bobsingh7949]

CLAIM: no other fiction book is more useful to present society than DUNE. It is superlative mind candy. Powerful potential for educational curricula (and public education is in desperate need of evolution)

[@dubuyajay9964]

The powers that be don't want a self-aware masses. The books should've taught you that.

[@zedatkinszed1216]

Great video. Just a few other points. Lady Jessica's betrayal, amongst other things was for love. Love (and its frustrations) is one of the HUGE themes of Dune. The sisterhood's fanatical perversion of evolution was also a perversion of personal responsibility and personal love. There's also the environmentalism in Dune. The reductive equation of spice = oil is a good and bad place to start. But in short the over-reliance of humanity on easy energy is simultaneously destructive and leads inevitably to Tyranny and disaster.

[@julianbound6865]

Extremely well explained, and a great selection of images, well done, Julian

[@erickelly1323]

you can see the twinkle of pride in Quinn's eyes when he mentions his project is about to hit Indigogo

[@jeanfrancozaratemarcial7916]

@@Princess2Warrior And who are you to laugh about a man´s proyect coming to reality??

[@jeanfrancozaratemarcial7916]

@@Princess2Warrior Looks like someone's indignantly hurt about my spelling project* There, you're happy??

[@vergyltantor3211]

I think Leto II's Golden path had two main strategies to avoid extinction. One is his stifling rule which was used to ignite the scattering upon his death. Second, was his breeding program that produced Siona Atreides and her ability to remain hidden from prescient vision. A side effect of this genetic ability was that it was in turn captured by the Bene Gesserit and spread throughout the sisterhood. This lead Taraza's understandable fear of the "wild Atreides genes."

[@johandennis8824]

To hide from prescient vision was also mandatory for Frank to do any book after God Emperor. Otherwise they would be moot due to Leto's prescience.

[@Citrus-mp3ex]

Im so happy to hear you're in the process of recording the last book 💥

[@migukmoonpark4312]

Leto worked his ass out to prevent prescience from affecting the destiny of mankind but several thousand years later Myles Teg came and his prescience is so op he had the power to detect no-ships. And he could be copied in case he died again(or gone missing). I wonder if Dune 7 would have covered this topic, but we may never know. Oh well, time to create that Frank Herbert ghola.

[@robertnewhart6969]

I never connected this but you are absolutely right.

[@mj4andrea]

Your knowledge of Dune is amazing! Not just of the detailed lore, but of the themes and philosophies as well. And you explain it all in such a clear way! I feel like so many fandom channels focus on very surface level things like events or world building, which are fun and interesting, but don't get to the deeper level of what the author is trying to communicate between the lines. But that does not apply to your channel! All that to say, I have been loving your videos on Dune and am really impressed with your work!

[@phaedrus4931]

always love your breakdowns of dense media. you make it incredibly accessible. thank you!

[@chadkoon]

I always enjoy your insights into Dune. It makes me so eager to dive into the texts myself. I'm currently reexploring the first novel, but look forward to the other 5.

[@sergiorosales8658]

I like to introduce my friends to Dune with your videos, they are thoughtful and superb

[@deadairconversion]

Dude. Excellent content here. You’ve blown me away with your level of analysis and commentary. Very impressed. Keep it up!

[@DrBonely]

One of my favorite vids you have put out to date! Thanks for the thoughtful content.

[@kevinrex7414]

Thank you so much for the Dune vids. From you, I’ve learned how influential Frank Herbert’s Dune was. For example, after reading the first book, I now know where Lucas got many of his Star Wars ideas. Once again, thank you so much for these AWESOME Dune vids.

[@Brainfryde]

Paul is not THE Quizat Haderach, but he had all of the powers of one. We can see this in the powers that Leto II had, as well as Duncan. Duncan will end up being the only character who can set aside the web of fatalism, prescience, and destiny, while not suffering the curse of Leto II and Paul, doomed to see their own path in the universe. Self determinism and following others is definitely the theme of the Frank Herbert novels :) I think you over play the Missionaria Protectiva, which is in the name. It was cultural / social engineering, to allow any sister to walk on to any planet and wield true POWER. It was written to allow for others with the sister(s) in need, but not "the Quizat" specifically. The Quizat Haderach is its own object lesson I think, working on some of the things you have said. He would end up being a cosmic joke on the Sisters, because they really didn't know what he could do that they could not. They think they know all there is in the universe and how to control it, as most leaders do. But instead, their plans lead us to Leto II, the God Emperor of the known universe. But he only knows how to make to the next step in perfecting Humanity, not its apex as they thought. The events that came after both generations would lead to events that created the Quizat Haderach. That is why I think Paul is ranting about looking into the place they dare not look. I believe he saw the Golden Path, which was so horrifying he could not consider it. Leto did, but only because his view of prescience, and his sister's counter balance in viewing the world, allowed him to see. It ultimately said to trust no one to know all things for you. A lesson that is certainly critical for all generations to learn.

[@daoud1608]

Brainfryde isn’t the QH simply someone who can see where the sisterhood could not? By definition all males who do this are QH. There can never be a true “THE” QH.

[@Jorthax]

It always seems odd to me that people overlook the outcome of the Duncan Idaho character. That, ultimately, the one being able to resist the sexual and emotional manipulation of the Bene Gesserit / Honored Matres is the final product of the total enlightenment leading up to that point.

[@supremeworld87]

You don't know what you're talking about

[@Jorthax]

@@supremeworld87 By all means, enlighten us, Benny Boy

[@Brainfryde]

@@daoud1608 The terms seems to get swapped out in both directions. I read it as a joke on the Sisterhood. They thought there would be the one QH, a perfect prophet, and then humanity would all become perfect. Instead, it was the first step in human evolution that was beyond the control of the Sisterhood, making the golden path visible, and then creating humans who could step off of the path all together. Literally, the place the Sisterhood could not look.

[@tanyapowell8577]

A thorough, well explained overview dealing with the complexities of the themes throughout the book series. Thank you

[@richardshalla]

I really enjoy your narrating of the storyline. You are good at simplifying the complexity in a way that helps me understand better the meaning of the world of Dune.

[@jl_legend]

There's another significant theme that runs thrive the books, one which in many ways was the genesis for the idea, and that's environmentalism, Frank Herbert was deeply passionate about the plight of the planet - and as I understand it, one of the genesis for Dune was him seeing army engineers working to preserve dunes on a beach as flood defences (don't quote me on the specifics, it's something I read about a decade or so ago), but the idea that the planet could both be dying and man could try and engineer the environment are featured throughout the series. Meanwhile spice is also analogous to oil, with it being the vehicle for the economy of Dune, a toxic substance, and the harvesting of it being a dirty, and finding new sources being dirty (in Dunes case the gradual conversion of Chapterhouse into a new Dune, the artifical spice of the axtotl tanks, and the potentially jihad breaking navigation machines of Ix). Great video though, as always. Thanks for all your efforts, it's good to see from people who love Dune as much it more than I do

[@jl_legend]

I should add, there's something for everyone in Dune - and you can be conscious of different things with each reading

[@johnnyjet3.1412]

Herbert was inspired to write it when he visited Oregon Dunes Nat'l Monument

[@hindsightpov4218]

3:52 Wow. There’s already fan art of Timothee Chalamet as Paul Atreides. Talk about fast. 👏

[@mariajudith1895]

Princess2Warrior Ha haaa haaa, your answers are pretty much shallow just like your attitude towards the people around you!!! “Anti-sjw & sjw culture must be purged once an for All”; Free thinkers must rise... you are not included, girl.

[@hindsightpov4218]

Princess2Warrior You don’t have to see Villeneuve’s Dune if you don’t want to. No one’s twisting your arm to make you do it.

[@Ciara1594]

I can imagine that slash fanfic is already being written. 😒

[@danwinger1007]

Outstanding video! You answered a few questions I had about the saga. Keep up the great work!

[@ericcalm9924]

I needed so more of your content. I've been going back to the Dune intros. I can't wait for you finale!

[@Mymloch]

Thank you for keeping me stoked about Dune 2020.

[@smoss9813]

Thank you for putting artists credits on screen. They deserve it.

[@TheMightyPika]

Your videos made me reread Dune. My Dad introduced me to them as a kid and they've been an important bond for us. Love you, Dad!

[@caseysimpson2523]

Hey thanks Quinn for turning your obsession into an informative entertaining and insightful commentary on this great work. I appreciate it very much

[@Moondog-wc4vm]

Hi Quinn. Thanks for a very well thought out and deep video on the dune universe. I've been reading the work since about 1980. I see how much you love the work, and feel you are a Dune scholar (which I'm not. I obsessively read the stories, but each of your video's brings out subtle facts I never saw) I would like to humbly ask you to do a balanced video on the subject of changing the sex of Liet Kynes in the movie. I've seen your recent (ranty) video replying to those who had a knee jerk reaction to the change. I agree that anyone who questioned the Kynes family race are betraying a bias (whether intentional or not) What I would like to explore is whether Holywood is trying too hard while trying to find a balance with what people label 'woke' I have no problem with equal representation in media. If the story calls for a balance of characters that is like modern life, then by all means cast the appropriate actors. If a story has only dark skinned or asian actors, then cast it correctly. If a story has only white actors, then cast appropriate actors. I just feel like media in general is trying too hard by 'shoehorning' different races into stories, or changing the gender of characters when it is not necessary. It feels false, just as it feels false if a white actor plays an asian part or a male plays a beloved female character. As a Dune scholar you know that FH wrote the part of Liet Kynes as a male, his fathers son, imperial planetolegist on Arrakis after growing up on Salusa Secondus, a very harsh environment as well. In a universe deliberately written to highlight so many strong, important and very influential female characters, is the decision to make Liet Kynes female justifiable? My own personal opinion is no, because Dune will have so many female characters who equal, or beat the males that tampering is a little bit sad. I would love to hear your take on it though. I never assume my own opinion is supreme. You have highlighted many subtle themes and interpretations of FH's work that I did not see until you pointed them out that I would value some input on this. You just might change my mind and expand my horizon!

[@nigeltustin5995]

"... Oh, and one last thing; the spice is highly addictive to the extent that once you become addicted, you must continue taking the spice or the withdrawals will kill you. Moving on'' Lol

[@johnnyjet3.1412]

DHMO!

[@wintersmill4853]

Thank you so much for this channel I’ve learned a lot about the Dune series!

[@letosgoldenpath1993]

Quinn, Your observations and analysis of Dune are just outstanding! Thank you for your perspectives and clarification of Herbert's message.

[@SonofPerson]

The entirety of the Dune saga can be summed up by one line: “Damn you, Shaitan! What did we ever do to you?!”

[@warpartyattheoutpost4987]

*The point of DUNE is the crysknife.*

[@codename495]

WarParty! At the Outpost Nope.

[@warpartyattheoutpost4987]

@@codename495, r/woooosh.

[@neishachetty1998]

Cut it short ? Cut it so ends

[@lisaward2636]

Brilliant, I love what you bring to the table. It makes me even more excited for the movie!!! Keep rockn' it.

[@ACEC0ND0R]

As usual, great video. Good job! Really enjoyed it. I think if you do a part 2, I think some good topics would be: 1. Duncan's role and his significance to the Golden Path, and what that means for the overall message of Dune. 2. The Butlerian Jihad's message/warning about technology and how the Ixians fit into that message. 3. Dune's messages/meanings/warnings concerning the Tleilaxu and biology or biological manipulation. 4. Musings on where Frank Herbert might have been going with his themes and messages if he were able to finish the series. Would there have been any new themes or revelations introduced by the end to the story if Herbert had had the chance to finish?

[@fifthofascalante7311]

Hey Quinn, we disagree on some politics stuff - certainly disagree on how good Lynch's Dune is :P - but you're by far the best source of Dune commentary. Thanks to you I got hooked enough to read the books, so don't stop the content. Actually, here's an idea: now that you have a decent platform, why try to invite some academics like psychologists, economists, biologists, whether they have read Dune or not, to discuss what they think is plausible, or even likely, and what's not. Years before I was made aware of Dune, I'd watched this documentary on how they train five year-olds in China to calculate using the abacus. Over the years of this relentless drilling, they'd make the numbers so ridiculously high that you couldn't fit them on standard home calculator. They'd make the kids sum ever faster, before taking away the abacus. The kids would move imaginary beads in the air as fast as progamers use keyboards, eventually they'd do all the calculations in their mind. THAT is a very real Mentat. Very much alive and material. Not even today. Decades in the past. EDIT: I might have mentioned it under a past vid, but this stuff really excites me. There are more of these examples of the weird parts of Dune being real. You wouldn't think we'd have a need for human calculators in our day and age with virtually everyone having a phone glued to their person and a calculator on it, but hey, we do have human calculators.

[@Ciara1594]

Wow. It wouldn't work with me though, cause I totally suck at math. 🙁

[@fifthofascalante7311]

@@Ciara1594 Me neither. But I guess it works if they whip you hard enough xD. I had a list of some of the weirder things of Dune that I have found existing IRL or possible. The symbiotic merging with a sandworm for a super long life, immunity to radiation and more is another thing that is at least theoretically possible IRL because there is such a creature. The world is strange place. Fremen warriors are totally real too.

[@Quotheraving]

This is only tangentially related to Dune through Frank Herbert's stories and Denis Villeneuve but I think you lot may find it interesting nonetheless. In the collection of short stories by Frank Herbert called Eye there is one that bears a striking similarity to the story of the film Arrival. Titled "Try to Remember" it tells the story of a first contact between aliens and humans. The protagonist, a linguist called Francine, has been called in to translate the alien language as the Aliens have set humanity the challenge of communicating with them offering "great rewards" should they be able to do so - naturally the military believe this reward will take the form of weapons and advanced technology. Eventually it turns out that the gift was the language it'self which is a universal form of communication, one that can harbour no deception and 'remembering' this primal language profoundly changes the protagonist's way of being and seeing the world. There's obviously differences, for instance there is no intimation of an impending war, the aliens aren't heptapods and the language doesn't bring with it prescience but given that prescience is a big part of FH's Dune it seems highly likely that this (and FH's work in general) was a major factor both in creating the story and in Denis' desire to direct it.

[@invanorm]

Very interesting. I’d find it unlikely that Ted Chiang hadn’t read Herberts story before writing Story of Your Life but I guess it’s entirely possible. If Villeneuve is as big a fan of Dune as it seems he may very well have been aware of the similarities.

[@FiddlingOnTheRoof]

If you enjoy Herbert's other works, then check out "Hellstrom's Hive."

[@610vegas]

that's interesting I loved the premise of that movie I will look those stories up. Thanks

[@Spicy6565]

I have really enjoyed all of your Dune videos thus far. Great work, and thanks for sharing them with us!

[@mrSWEETlfs]

Excellent analysis! I'm always pleasantly impressed by your offerings, Quinn.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

I had a question i wanted to ask you Quinn - as an offshoot of the theme running throughout the Dune Saga of the peril of charismatic leadership, and while there are no AI's or cybernetic post-humans in the Dune universe due to the Butlerian Jihad, to what degree do you think that the notion of the Kwisatz Haderach, as embodied in the characters of Paul And Leto II Atredies, might symbolically represent super intelligence? The idea that intellectual ability, even such ability beyond the limits of that possessed by baseline humans, does nothing to mitigate the threat of charismatic or unaccountable leadership. That intelligence can never be an antidote to the quandary of the threat of the charismatic leader inspiring fanaticism in their followers. With no need to invoke a 'killer AI' type scenario, even a well intentioned super intelligent leader is no more able to wield total power over all of humankind without negative consequence than any ordinary human tyrant would be. Even Leto II, for all his extreme abilities, made it the purpose of his entire existence to prevent any being from possessing the power to bend the future of the species to their will through prescience. He did not trust any being, even himself, with such power, and was prepared to suffer for millennia and then die horrible in order to forever place such power beyond the reach of anyone.

[@jeantesc812]

Interesting ideas! BTW are you watching Westworld Season 3. It plays with the idea of an AI version of Leto 2 essentially usurping free will for the earths humans in exchange for the equivalent of "Leto's peace".(slavery)

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@jeantesc812 I haven't gotten around to watching Westworld season 3 yet, but it is on my to watch list. Thanks for the tip.

[@vannederynen1]

Two things, first the AI survived the jihad which comes up when it is revealed that Idaho is the true kwisaks haderak. Second let's the second does keep his place as the ultimate Oracle, he does that by seeding his vision within the worms that spread from his death. A new Oracle could seize control of the vision just as he did from his father, however he would have to exert his will over that of every worm. The ideas from leto are very grounded in the ideas and beliefs of the ancient Egyptians. Read the book of the dead and compare the ideas to dune and you would be shocked how blatantly he took most of them.

[@slimperkins]

Always look forward to your Dune videos. I know they will always be concise, filled with information I want to know and not just arguing about how “woke” it’s going to be! You’re a fan of the story, as am I, and it’s parallels to modern capitalism and in power struggles. Much like opium and the spice trade, all puns intended ;), in the 1700s. It shaped the world we know today just as the Spice shaped Arrakis and the universe surrounding it. We could learn a lot from this study in humanity but we probably won’t. We never seem to anyway!

[@thegoodwin]

One of the modern parallels I've read on a forum or some website a long time ago was that: - Spice = Oil - CHOAM = OPEC - Spacing Guild = World Trade Organization - The fighting in the deserts of Arrakis (as shown in Dune book, Dune 1984 film, Dune mini series on Sci Fi channel) = a parallel to the Gulf Wars - House Corrino and its Saudaukar military = a parallel to any superpower nation with a strong military - Fremen = a parallel to the people living in the middle East - And much more Now, some of these parallels do get a bit too far in its comparison to the modern world, but it should be something to point out though.

[@wasfuerkeksigkeit]

I love these videos. I don't have time to read the books now, so it's nice to watch your videos and immerse myself into the Dune universe, no matter how briefly. Cheers!

[@dp20024]

I can't recall how I came across your channel but everything happens for a reason. This was my first video of yours that I've watched and I'm hooked. Your coverage and commentary is on point and you're a great speaker. My experience with Dune was first seeing the David Lynch version and loved it. Then I read the first book Dune and loved it more. I actually consider it one of my Top 5 all time favorites; read it twice. Reading the book made me hate the film because I thought the film didn't do the complete story justice. It should've been a miniseries. Well along comes the Syfy miniseries, which was quite good and I truly appreciated how more faithful it was to the story but as good as the casting was, I didn't think it was as great as the cast from the Lynch film. I did appreciate the miniseries covering Dune Messiah and Children of Dune because I never read those books but I will eventually because I LOVE the way Frank Herbert writes. Now coming full circle, and after becoming such a huge Lynch fan from his post-Dune work, I have newfound appreciation for his take on the story. Denis Villeneuve's Dune is my most anticipated film of the year. I think he's the perfect visionary for Dune and oh my God, I can't wait. I also see you cover my beloved Game of Thrones so I have even more episodes to catch up on. Yeah, as Rick Blaine from Casablanca says, "Looks like another beginning of a beautiful friendship!" :-)

[@barrybend7189]

Dune inspired the manga Five Star Stories by Mamoru Nagano. Heck several characters are expys of Dune characters.

[@golgarisoul]

Thanks for the reccomendation!

[@barrybend7189]

@@golgarisoul beware first arc has major Harkonen hate.

[@ali_p_q7920]

Never heard of it. Will check it out. Thanks.

[@luxvult5202]

Thanks, i would read the manga

[@barrybend7189]

@@ali_p_q7920 if you watched "That Time I was reincarnated as a Slime" episode 20 it was mentioned.

[@frankberst9849]

The point of Dune, according to my perception: - The ecology of an entire planet is an awesome and sacred responsibility. Stewardship on a planetary scale is no joke. Decisions and actions have very real and lasting consequences. To make the wrong decisions and act according to misguided notions can be devastating, even fatal, on that grand scale. - Being a savior, a messiah, carries an awesome and sacred responsibility. Taking on the redemption and salvation of an entire people is no joke, and assumption and ownership of that role, and the colossal and all-encompassing paradigm shift it involves, can be catastrophically dangerous, even fatal on a massive scale, if commandeered by the misguidedly self-righteous and cynically manipulative, with the original message either becoming irretrievably lost or twisted and perverted into its extreme antithesis. - Even 10-20,000 years into the far future, the human condition and basic human nature remain fully intact and in play, regardless of any and all other variables and factors, no matter how far removed in time and space from our present and familiar experience and circumstances.

[@superdani152003]

I can't put in words how much I LOVE your videos!thank you for sharing with us your content!

[@GrindHouse1990]

Loving these videos man keep up the good work bro 👍

[@sergiorosales8658]

Quinn I missed your videos!

[@Peanutjoepap24]

1:44 That's just Tywin Lannister in a funny hat.

[@barbiquearea]

Charles Dance should play Shaddam IV.

[@Gotblade]

Thank you for the art credits! So many inspiring images!

[@SOAP1000]

I've been enjoying your videos. You are passionate and well spoken. Keep up the great work.

[@penelopegreene]

You know, Dune is about how humans can't stop bad ideas, and seeing the effects coming won't change anything.

[@raananh]

Kwizath Haderach is from Hebrew "Kiftsat Ha-Derech קפיצת הדרך" which means Quantum Leap: Kwizath = Jump/Leap, Ha-Derech = The-Distance or The-Way-to-go. Massiah is also Hebrew, משיח. Finally, Frank Herbert was influenced a lot from Judaism, and hence the Jews that appear in his final book, Heretics of Dune.

[@jeanfish7]

Chapter house is the last of the original Dune series.

[@RealProfessionalHumanBeing]

In Space Balls everyone is Jewish. ;-)

[@isaaclawson2097]

Now I'm thinking about the jews in space segment from history of the world part 1.

[@sahamal_savu]

That's interesting, I didn't know Frank adapted that concept from Hebrew.

[@vannederynen1]

He also took from the ancient Egyptian and Bedouin

[@kaetischmalenberg222]

I love the books and have for years. You seem to bring a fresh view for me that makes me want to return to the books again and again to see what I missed. They are such rich and powerful books that it takes many readings and viewpoints to really get it; thank you!

[@Anenome5]

I'm so addicted to your Dune videos. Wish they were a littttttle longer!

[@MultiBum123]

I recomend watching The King on netflix to see timothy chalamet play a character that meant well but causes a lot of damage

[@chiffmonkey]

It's one of the "furthest future" well-thought-out scifi settings, and those going even further such as Warhammer 40k, took HEAVY insight from Dune to do so. Perhaps Dancers at the End of Time is a little too abstractly far into the future, so Dune provides a fantastic setting for storytelling about humanity's ripe old age.

[@cernunos8153]

I gotta say, these long form videos are your best. Great video

[@moribundtoot8183]

I love your analysis of the books. I have only read the first one but your analysis makes we want to read the rest. Thank you.

[@getyoursickassawayfromme3176]

Hey Warhammer 40k fan's listen to this Dune is were you're lore comes from.

[@oiaeyu]

The warhammer community pride themselves over their "original, not like the other boys" lore. Theres also bunch of toxic edge lords in there. Niche, insular communities attract those kinds of ppl.

[@andrewvincent89]

@@oiaeyu I love 40k, and cannot wait for Denis Villeneuve version of Dune

[@Tuberuser187]

@@oiaeyu Considering how you are so quick to castigate people this is clearly projection, you are imposing your own mindset on others. You can either accept this criticism and grow from it or try a "gotcha" of some kind back, that will say a lot about you too. As for the original comment, Dune was one of the largest inspirations yes but far from the only one. Starship Troopers had almost as much, other grim dark British publications like 2000AD almost as much as Dune and Starship Troopers.

[@oiaeyu]

If yall love warhammer so much, how bout call out its white centric and female hating community cuz thats all i read from their comments sections. I know you wont cuz yur afraid to be shunned.

[@getyoursickassawayfromme3176]

@@oiaeyu I'm black and I love Warhammer 40k the way it is also if you google for like two minutes you know there space marines of all races but thanks for the fake outrage these 50 woke points are for you.

[@shengcer]

The other book that delivered the similar idea is Alan Moore’s watchmen. “Who watches watchmen” summarizes people should not always look up to their leaders and never question them.

[@j.d.7574]

I really enjoy your perspectives. It has been years since I read the DUNE series and look forward to your videos and viewpoints. Keep up the good work.

[@343gabe]

You need a podcast man. You have a great voice for anything in that realm! Plus interesting material

[@Cydonia2020]

I thought the year was 10,191 AG. We have no god-kings in our world, unfortunately, we have far too many kings who think they are gods. I would love to hear your thoughts on The Road to Dune, the Duneworld novella created from Herbert’s notes that gave him the first seminal plots for the greater saga. And what are your thoughts on the deleted/unpublished chapters of the series?

[@Swiss_femboy]

Cydonia2020 in truth there were many „God-Kings“ in humanities history if you are interested read about the First Emperor of China: Qin Shihuangdi. He build a massive Beaurocracy to control every part of his Empire and killed millions of people who he fought as dissidents and rebells. and all that in 300.b.c.

[@Cydonia2020]

Adrian Comba Qin was not a God-King. He had no godlike powers. He was given powers by those who served him. If they rebelled d against him, there was nothing he could do to save his own life if they wished to take it. He was a king whom his people thought was a god.

[@Swiss_femboy]

Cydonia2020 he was obviously not a god that’s why I put God King in „“ like „God-King“ don’t know if these are used so in English but in German (which is my mother language) we use these signs to signalize that a thing is named something but doesent exactly is what the name would imply, like the „Democracy“ of modern China. Hope it isn’t to false for the English language :)

[@Brainfryde]

I wrote a novel for those who like talking Dune themes, but one I want to snuff for people is the environmental theme suggested by some. Once you have made it through the three books, you will find out that the planet ecology is manipulated at will and with minimal consequence. Dune is all about the nature of Humanity, not planets :) If you watched the rebooted Battlestar Galactica to the end, there are a lot of themes there that echo Dune. Dune just does it on a much larger (and less scientifically accurate) scale. Dammit Quinn, you are getting me all hyped already, and it will take them years to reach God Emperor alone :p

[@sahamal_savu]

Frank himself has talked about the environmental theme and it's not limited to the terraforming angle. The spice itself as well as the scarcity of water are both in reference to our dwindling reserves of fossil fuels.

[@arturpoldan8816]

You painted very nice overall picture, I enjoyed the video. Thank you Quinn

[@lance9749]

Well done. Thank you for this video this is very compreshensiive and well thought out.

[@codename495]

Dune shows what happens to a society given over to ease and comfort ( when humanity is enslaved by their thinking machines) it shows that innovation in the wake of hardship is a two edged knife. It can create pinnacles of human ability like the bene gesserits or the mentats or for the most part the Guild and depths of terrifying depravity ( Bene Tleilax) it also shows that stagnation leads to sweeping death in whatever setting it sets in.

[@goodgrooves5330]

Code Name good point. I do think the God Emperor was definitely looking to help trigger a pattern in humanity that did not seek safety as its goal. I do think that one of the points Herbert was pushing (and Quinn brought this up in his criticism of Brian H) is that technology was not the problem but how humans used the technology. The God Emperor has no qualms with technology and towards the end technology was being used by Mentats as well as Navigating the universe and hiding from Prescience .

[@Ohne_Silikone]

To me the main theme was the inevitable shortcommings and corruption of power systems, wether they are political, religious, philosophical, cultural, you name it. It even is reflected in the slow demise of the Dune eco system. It all starts with grandiose ideas, that fetch flight uncontrollably and leed to ill inspired power struggles in the end.

[@Neuromancer_2k77]

Great video. Would love to see you make summary videos about the Hyperion Cantos, as well.

[@the1tigglet]

Quinn I sincerely hope they invite you to see the first viewing because of all of the work and passion you put into your channel about this book and the author!

[@JZoltan]

Cant wait for the Expansion of Consciousness that will happen after the Movie lunches 😆 Alejandro Jodorowsky said in the 70`s that Dune would shift the collective Consciousness of Humanity, but hes movie never got the green light. NOW, We are ready! The Sleeper will Awaken!

[@pitchforker3304]

Leto Atreides II is the greatest character in all science fiction

[@dustinburkhart8526]

Bro Im so glad I found your channel. I'm going to watch everything. I hope I can develop a talent like you and making these videos man. Thanks. Like big time.

[@Iorvethh]

Dude I enjoy your Chanel. It has the right feeling to it just so right. Continue with the great work your doing.

[@ursaber]

We want to know how YOU THINK Dune 7 would have played out. Marty and Daniel were clearly not meant to be Erasmus and Omnius or Thinking Machines for that matter, but super advanced Face Dancers or something. Please Quinn, we require your prescient insight on this!

[@thegoodwin]

Yes, I too believe that Daniel and Marty are two advanced face dancers instead of artificial intelligence machines, Erasmus and Omnius. I see Daniel and Marty as someone who may end up being obsessed of imitating and impersonating Leto II or any charismatic leader to control humans to be enslaved to the wrath of the superior Face Dancer (humans) race. As far as, how they got defeated had Frank Herbert were alive, I don't think it'll be a battle of physical fighting prowess like hand to hand combat per se. My guess (and I maybe wrong) is that Daniel and Marty couldn't handle the overload of information of the memories they gathered of various people or Duncan Idaho and Daniel or Marty (after one of them is dead somehow) got into a "mind meld" match of one's psychological prowess over the other and Duncan Idaho (ghola) may have found someway to use the Face Dancer's memories of other people to crush the Face Dancer mind/psyche and be in the state of permanent brain dead comatose state. The alternative is that Daniel and Marty got tricked into doing something or constructing something that gets them killed somehow. A good parallel to Daniel and Marty is the CW's The Flash villains, "Defoe and the Mechanic" a husband/wife team whose persona and actions are kind of similar to Daniel and Marty. Defoe even possessed the body of a shape-shifter and shape shift like how a face dancer does. Overall, these are just my guessed that maybe completely on how Dune 7 would've been written if it didn't follow the Erasmus/Omnius route as the final enemy of Frank Herbert's Dune book series.

[@henrikg1388]

I think we can be pretty certain that the great enemy was not Erasmus/Omnius. These characters are obviously there to link up the Legends books and the ending. I would say that they are advanced face dancers. It could be thinking machines too, but not such caricateurish figures. Or something else we haven't thought of. Chapterhouse is a decent ending in itself though. And as many have speculated, Marty and Daniel may have been to FH what Beren and Luthien was to Tolkien.

[@thegoodwin]

@@henrikg1388, I agree with your view. I would also say that if thinking machines were involved in some capacity in Dune 7, I think that Daniel and Marty may have possessed the memories of Ixian engineers who were building their own version of "thinking machines" and use that knowledge to either corrupt these "machines" or create their own "thinking" killing machines and have them run amok among the humans. As this is going on to distract various human worlds, Daniel and Marty also plot to insert many of their Face Dancer people among the human population in hopes to one day replace the human species.

[@BubblegumCrash332]

I'm so excited I watched the King on Netflix again just to remind me how amazing Timothée Chalamet is

[@kuroneko5390]

Loved that movie. Also Robert Pattison was also great in this movie, every one kinda was... I would love more movies about Shakespeares plays that are made that well.

[@kuroneko5390]

@UCGQvbFyAGN4xuhtHXQKJZDw The King is inspired by the play Henry V by Shakespeare. It has also isnt following the exactly history of Henry V. That's the info i have... from diffrent sources.

[@BubblegumCrash332]

@@kuroneko5390 yes definitely. It's a reinterpretation of a reinterpretation of a character from history. To be honest I think the films character work is thin to say the least. What saves it is the excellent writing from Joel Edgerton and the cinematography. You could probably watch the whole film muted and still enjoy it.

[@javiergf]

I really love your videos, keep the great work. I am on book 3, on these dark times it is good to have some great books to read and enjoy

[@GoodDaySir]

Amazing breakdown, concise and interesting. Thanks.

[@parkerxgps8101]

As I understand it. The point of Dune is the reader. My favorite part.

[@redcapetimetraveler7688]

8:35 this quote "this damnable religion should end with me" and others more or less atheistic quote of Leto in book 4 always stroke me , because we know with the two last pages of this book that leto fails to release the humankind from fanatism and inquisition , we can see in those last pages how all religions create speculations with a majority dominating ( between toleration and persecution) the minority(ies). this conclusion is very pessimistic or very antique : the old romans called fate "Necessitas" (or Fortuna or Fatum) as if those struggles were inevitable and usefull , and my guess is that Frank Herbert saw those struggles as both dangerous and necessary to push the humanity forward, always at the edge of selfdestruction this is why Leto 2 did not destroy the Ixians or the Tleilaxu or the bene gesserit or try to tame the space guild ...and why he is amused and pleased by the ixians' ingeniosity , this last one being ambiguous when we learn abot those machines threatening to exterminate the humans in the futur : those great stakes pushing the human evolution being the golden path !

[@catherinemorgan6011]

Read and enjoyed the Dune series many years ago. Your channel has gotten me interested in the series again. Thanks!

[@efilteau]

I just found your site and video , Eric ( 53 years of age ) from Montreal , i found this content impressive and i enjoyed it very much . In other words … u made my day . Bravo!