What's Up with YouTube's "Join" Buttons?

[@vlogbrothers]

I joined you as us. -John

[@purplehello98]

How does this only have 23 likes?

[@leomcmonagle4845]

@@purplehello98 why is the only reply to this comment from this year????

[@anthonydavis5288]

@@leomcmonagle4845 Why were there only 2 comments and 31 likes?

[@steggopotamus]

I feel like this sentence has particularly poignant layers of meaning that could be dissected in literary analysis. Consciousness? Community? Projection? Enmeshment? Highschool prank? Potato sack races? Alas, it's on yt and the poetry is gone.

[@GuiHarrison]

You sound so calm! That's weird. Are you... RESTED?!

[@hankschannel]

Hahaha...no, this is what I sound like when I'm tired!

[@DewMan001]

@@hankschannel so OP is close but not quite?😊🙃😊

[@FatiguedButFabulous]

I thought that it sounded like a talk radio version of Hank at the beginning there! It was very soothing

[@closetghost]

Guilherme H

[@GuiHarrison]

PenguinsAreReallyAwesome Yours is more fun to say :)

[@bobbyhalick]

Fish test comment, please disregard

[@PogieJoe]

I refuse.

[@melonlord1414]

It's a great fish. Why would we ignore it ^^

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

Hello fishy!

[@charliespinoza1966]

Oh shoot

[@camerongarson9963]

...NO!

[@TheMasterKieran98]

Your comparison of the 5% Patreon cut vs. the 30% KZbin cut was very interesting! I was super confused when the join button appeared haha.

[@RynRobitske]

Same. My thought has been "wasn't this why I signed up for KZbin Red when it started? Nope." Nice to know how much is actually going to creators now.

[@dubhlinn2]

I disagree that users are KZbin’s main customer. The advertisers are the main customer. The users are the product. If the users were a valued customer, I feel like they’d have made more of an attempt to improve the quality of the content rather than hacking our dopaminergic systems and encouraging creators to game the algorithms.

[@onytay75]

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[@joeytoastson967]

+ See Logan Paul :/ KZbin does not punish creators who violate “rules” of the platform if they’re popular. In general, I think Patreon is much better at supporting quality content because it rewards money-worthy content instead of click-bait worthy content. KZbin doesn’t make a distinction between the two because ads are shown on worthless click-bait just as much as actual content.

[@Sillos09]

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[@creesch]

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[@IstasPumaNevada]

Indeed.

[@Nhoj31neirbo47]

Patreon is easy to use and their company deserves their 5% take. The alternative 30% going to KZbin doesn’t appeal to me.

[@HannahLeeC]

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[@divyanshsh]

But... It pays for the servers and future features 🙄

[@jenniferjphipps82]

I'm very fond of my Hanklerfish :-) I'm happy to give another $5 a month to help you keep the awesome happening!

[@pramitbanerjee]

may i ask why you decide to give 5$ through this youtube thing which gives hank only 70% of the money, instead of patreon?

[@jenniferjphipps82]

I do both. And I think this helps keep KZbin free and hopefully less focused on advertisers.

[@j.a.snyder7416]

John made a path and cleared shrubbery in his background in the aftermath of the TATWD tour; what are you doing in the aftermath of the AART tour? (The show was wonderful, incidentally. I loved how you modeled some of the various aspects of the social Internet. I had a lot of fun. And the book!!!! is AMAZING!! You changed me. Also, “Don’t Stop Me Now” has been stuck in my head for several days on end now and YOU DID THAT!!! It’s a great song, but I kind of need to get it out of my head now.)

[@Naiadryade]

I would like to endorse this question with my fishy.

[@IanGoggin]

You may not realise this as someone in the US, but the join button has a big advantage over patreon for people overseas: you can pay in currencies other than $. Every time I pay patreon in the UK it costs more than expected because of conversion fees going to my bank. And that's not counting variation caused by exchange rates. That's a big disincentive for me. Predictability is important to encouraging responsible consistent support.

[@valkirk8644]

So donate less to cover the costs. With Patreon only taking 5% instead of the 30% KZbin takes, Hank would probably still make out better!

[@Ellyerre]

5 USD is a lot less than 5 GBP though, are the conversion fees that high? Like, would it be better to pay 5 quid here rather than the equivalent of 5 dollars on patreon? Charging the "same" in USD, GBP and EUR always felt a weird move to me.

[@IanGoggin]

@@valkirk8644 but the point is that 1. The conversion costs are invisible at the point of sign-up. 2. Conversion inherently means I am paying a different amount every month which is unpredictable. Reducing the amount paid solves neither problem.

[@bluester7177]

If they changed that to the currency of the place they would probably get more users too. $5 is like R$ 20 (brazilian reals).

[@GaviLazan]

While KZbin does support non-Dollar currencies, it isn't available worldwide. I can't even see the "join" button where I am, but I can give on Patreon without a problem.

[@squishington42]

FISHY

[@tkenyon7888]

Of course you're one of the members, jim.

[@hankschannel]

Fishy fishy fishy....

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

FISHY!

[@FireflyJuu]

Worth?

[@thewinterizzy]

I like Patreon because it’s separate. Sure, creators advertise that they have one/do cool stuff on it, but it’s its own platform and doesn’t hinder the KZbin experience. My concern with the membership thing is it’s just going to create a greater divide between those who can and can not pay. This feels like pitting fans against each other while Patreon feels extra/additive. Of course this is all too early to say and maybe the membership thing will be rad. We’ll see. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@treeclimber2015]

thewinterizzy +

[@yukari_katsuragi]

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[@xxzyw4183]

I'm already feeling separated from you youtube join people all I know is youtube was always free before this net neutrality shit went down now I have to pay fucking youtube to watch videos

[@crazEgamer201]

@@xxzyw4183 This has absolutely nothing to do with net neutrality. I don't even know how you got the impression that it was.

[@xxzyw4183]

Adrian Langvand I'm just saying youtube was free before that but since then youtube is slowly making it so that you have to pay to watch any of their videos I mean am I the only that noticed this it's right in front of your face that's even what this whole video is about the join button to pay for videos

[@AlatarielSunrise]

I enjoy supporting creators on patreon better... it feels like a more intimate experience.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

Well, apparently I wasn't a patron on Patreon after all (I thought I was,) so, sure, we'll give KZbin a shot... Plus - HANKLERFISH! (Just like the nice one inside my copy of An Absolutely Remarkable Thing along with your signature!)

[@N3rdfightermom]

bragging (me jealous ;-P)

[@Norwaycat91]

I've been super sceptical about the join button, glad you are keeping us informed!

[@EyeHeartThePanda]

I, though I fully understand the why of the join, don't like them... While I doubt Hank will do so, many of the other channels I follow use the feature and it creates a divide among subscribers. It creates inequality within the fandom and kinda ostracizes those of us who can't afford to contribute. Again, not Hank specific. There are actually channels I love, that I rarely watch anymore because they cater so heavily to those who can pay. I wish this wasn't the direction KZbin was going in, but (again) I get it...KZbinrs deserve to have consistent income. TLdr; memberships do create a bad experience for users. Especially, when users can't afford to pay for the shinny new content... Hopefully, the Nerdfighter community will try to prevent inequality from increasing as a result of its use.

[@philiptouw3623]

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[@hmich176]

I don't use Twitch that much, so I'm curious if you know - does this sense of inequality you are predicting exist on Twitch, since Twitch already basically has this?

[@annak9096]

+ Nuance is so important in discussions like this and this comment captures it perfectly.

[@l.paigebowser7769]

I think the difference is whether it's framed (by the creator and the community) as "getting something extra" or "missing out on part of what makes people engaged with the community". If, for instance, Hank was going to do streams INSTEAD of something else that he currently does for "free", that would be a problem. If it's really just an extra non-essential thing then I don't see it as a problem. Of course, I also think Hank is thoughtful enough about these things that he won't do things like giving big news to people behind a paywall early. That really would have a negative effect on community.

[@jjjuser1]

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[@BvrgGbln]

Your new book was one of my options for Book of the Month Club!! I picked it and two other add ones. I am so excited to read it! My sister also just released a book!

[@andreajohnson6968]

I am not a fan of KZbin getting more power.

[@1996Pinocchio]

Thank you for pointing that out! :) Also they will know exactly where power goes, and who has subscribers that are willing to pay something from time to time (or more)...

[@andreajohnson6968]

@@mathsadmissionexams1997 They make more money though. Patreon fills the need you described already. It's because KZbin wants in on this kind of income revenue.

[@l.paigebowser7769]

I want to see the fishy...

[@camelopardalis84]

I had a pre-roll ad for cheese. Thought you all should know. (I mean, I can't use this information for myself. So I can at least hope it brings one of you something positive.)

[@notexactlypaul]

Hey, I subscribed to Vlogbrothers and WheezyWaiter because of Charlie and I care very much about all of you, thank you very much.

[@hmich176]

I subbed to Vlogbrothers because of SciShow (and CGPGrey) and I subbed to WheezyNews because of the video Craig made for John's first paternity leave. Then I subscribed to WheezyWaiter because I was watching the WheezyNews daily vlog.

[@notexactlypaul]

It's time for Wheezy's daily vlog...oooooo

[@Naiadryade]

I can't resist. I just love livestreams with you. Plus, I'm happy to give a little more towards Complexly projects!

[@katkam_]

As soon as I'm done university (and start paying off debt instead of accumulating it) I am joining and supporting and subscribing to so many of my favourite creators.

[@JosephDavies]

"I'll make them bad. I promise; they'll be terrible." I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts on this aspect. Giving creators the ability to have paid, exclusive content will often lead to a greater focus on that content and less on the freely-available content. Unless they have the moral fortitude to deny themselves the potential income, it's a natural side-effect of operating under this sort of classist system if their content is at all popular. The "exclusivity option" seems to create a lose-lose situation, and most probably don't even realize it because it's easy to do incrementally without ever intending to promote your richest audience members at the expense of the rest. I'm really glad that Complexly (and the other parts of your business) has done so much to avoid this and maintain its mission, and I expect you've thought a lot about this conundrum as part of that.

[@nommy8599]

Thanks Hank, it's nice and interesting to hear your perspective and thoughts on this. You're awesome BTW.

[@WenzelSays]

I love John and Hank because you would never be able to tell how successful/impactful they've been just by looking at their videos/various channels. They don't have millions of views per video or super fancy editing that someone else does for them. They just sit and talk about things they care about and yet they've both written best selling novels, have a dozen channels between them, a successful merch store, a fully recognized charity that's raised over a million dollars for a plethora of causes, ones a professional musician and inventor, the others technically an actor/producer and together they are basically THE internet based content convention people. Like Vid con is so huge that I think a lot of people are under the impression that KZbin itself started it. And no, Hank and John did. Susan can't speak at Vid con unless Hank says she can. And you'd never guess that just by watching their videos. Don't get me wrong, their videos are super awesome and I've been watching them since pre TFiOS days, but they're not viral videos. The ones on their gaming channel and here rarely even have enough views to have ads on them. If you didn't know that Hank was a Vlog brother and only knew him from this channel (and didn't really know what the stuff he's come up with are in a larger context) you wouldn't really know that he was "famous" And I really like that. I like that they're proud of their animals giving birth/mating videos and still answer 'who the eff is Hank" and have pizzamass. And I don't know why I chose a video on Hank's side channel from 9 months ago to make this comment on but it seemed appropriate. He just seemed like a small time niche content Creator and not a best selling novelist/founder of vidcon/nerdcon/podcon/Dftba.com/2D glasses/musician/etc It's the Neil Cicierega effect.

[@route2070]

30%? If I had the money I would just do Pateron. KZbin can get their money from premium and ads, not me trying to give money to my favorite creators.

[@stormbob]

Exactly this. For the part of the service that KZbin provides (letting me use one of their thousands of servers for a few minutes to watch a video, and that's really it), the tiny bit of ad revenue they get for a video view is plenty. There's no reason for them to take $1.50 a month from each "joiner" other than greed.

[@WhiteSpatula]

Thanks for your perspective on advertising. Just like real estate and money, I consider advertising one of humanity’s necessary evils, and it’s nice to hear (human to human) that you lean away from it whenever feasible. Complacency, I think, is the dangerous glue that holds these evils over all our heads, and so it’s naturally the most humane humans among us who eschew its use, vowing (internally if not publicly) never to become satisfied enough to stop searching for lesser evils altogether. Cheers to you! -Phill, Las Vegas

[@DarionBoyd]

It may be notable to disclose, that one of Hanks companies was acquired by Patreon.

[@saber1epee0]

Darion Boyd he mentioned that (indirectly). Subbable was his vision, that was outcompeted and then merged with patreon. He's presumably not salty as they do tend to share values, but he's not super invested in them.

[@Beveybumblebee]

@@saber1epee0 ah I had been wondering what happened to subbable

[@JosephDavies]

I'm still sad about the loss of Subbable. I think it was the better model, but Patreon was more successful.

[@Roll587]

Sometime in the future when I'm not living on a grad school stipend I'll support the channels!

[@keldakellie9164]

The community radio station I listen to with an education licence in Melbourne is primarly run by volunteer staff along with a skeleton paid crew including the breakfasters (broadcasters). One year a long time ago there wasn't enough funded and the future of the station was in doubt. Before the magick of internet didn't realise how important a part it was in my life when away from Melbs for a year. That why I understand how important the funds raised for you guys is and join, patreon as much as possible.

[@claudettepaloo1547]

Your hair looks really good

[@Dakinishir]

Am grateful I am in the position to join. It is a good feeling to support people and companies that have so enhanced my experience and also work to decrease world suck. Thanks, Hank and friends

[@purplefire2834]

I first read the title as "What's Up with KZbin's 'John' Buttons?" ...It's been a long week.

[@MrsInAbox]

Tbh, join annoys me. I already pay to be a KZbin Premium subscriber, and it's frustrating that is doesn't count towards memberships. Even just having it be cheaper for premium subscription would make it more beneficial. But premium allows me to support all of my favourite channels instead of the one or two I'd be able to for memberships.

[@robertgalliher4787]

Thanks for explaining the join button. I was wondering what was up with that on several of the channels I've subscribed to.

[@Azzarinne]

The notification I got for this had a Join option, which made me think it was a livestream. I got all excited because livestreams NEVER happen when I'm actually available, no matter the platform (I'll probably be at handbell rehearsal during Let's be Dumb, which makes me 😢). Oh well. Back to the SciShow Talk Show I ditched less than halfway through.

[@AlthenaLuna]

My impression, based on my experience as a viewer but also from creators' discussion of their interactions with the platform and the various ways that it's gone against both (demonetization, hostile ads in front of LGBT+ videos, etc.) is that KZbin ranks advertisers as their #1 customer, with creators as #2 (since they're bringing in the monetizable eyeballs), and those eyeballs as #3. We're the source of the money, ultimately, but it means they (YT) serve the interests of those above us in the hierarchy to make use of us. That longer watch time isn't for us - many of the means they use to try to get it are distinctly off-putting and even counterproductive - it's for the advertisers. Creators benefit from it as a secondary, and gets categorized as "appease the algorithm to succeed".

[@MarkThePage]

The hostile ads are the huge giveaway here--and how viewers are not given any means of reporting them. After getting a few too many PragerU prerolls lately I've turned my adblock back on, and it's going to stay that way for a long time.

[@shiminshamim8359]

Me: YAY now I can help Hank and John so easily. Also me: *Struggles to pay for rent, food and study supplies with student loan*

[@nichoudha]

Focus on yourself first.

[@shiminshamim8359]

@@nichoudha that's why I'm not "joining" yet and gonna wait till I get a job 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@kateh7484]

I can see that there is value to “ join” but I prefer Patreon.

[@MRuby-qb9bd]

Likewise. But I can see people preferring to go through a single platform or not having to sign up for another website.

[@sylviaodhner]

"I'll make them bad, I promise, they'll be terrible." Aww, how sweet!

[@KittyBoom360]

I predict that we'll soon have a blockchain platform using smart contracts so you'll get closer to 100% of what is denoted and no middleman fees. That way, too, no one can shut down your income for any reason.

[@camelopardalis84]

0:45-0:49: Can you do a whole video using just this voice? Would be really nice to be able to fall asleep to that. No nightmares guaranteed!

[@sophieschofield9364]

hey i was/am one of the 23! keen for the live stream!

[@darlingwater-ev]

i'm... curious about watching this unfold, but i think ultimately i will continue to support creators through patreon rather than youtube, if only because i don't want to give youtube any more money than i give them by keeping my adblocker off. i don't trust youtube as a corporation, not after problem after problem that has never been well addressed or solved, so that 30% cut isn't something i want to give them. that being said i think it opens up the "tip jar" sort of concept beyond patreon because i know some people just don't want to engage with that many different platforms and having the option to financially support creators in a direct way through youtube is potentially appealing to some people, and anything that helps creators diversify their income is ultimately probably a good thing. so yeah. i'm going to keep watching this as it grows, but i don't think i'll be using it myself. still, very cool

[@ToddMikosh]

So, KZbin is like a Movie theatre, but without popcorn. And Patron is like a cashiering service.

[@PCIZ503]

I realize I'd love a Crash Course: History of the Internet. Like notable events that were located more online than in any one place in the world, and the history of important platforms, trends, etc.

[@ionz75]

Hank, do you have any thoughts on Google's Dragonfly project where they're partnering with the Chinese government to created a censored search engine that reports users' activity to the authorities?

[@DarkTwinge]

Combining fees + platform cuts, the creator takeaway depending on the platform: Direct Paypal: ~91% (67% to 97% depending on amount) Patreon: ~90% Bandcamp: ~80% Twitch Bits: ~75% (71% to 81% depending on amount) KZbin, Steam, iOS, Android: =70% Large Streamer Twitch Sub: ~64% (~69% for Tier 3) Standard Streamer Twitch Sub: ~45% (~55% for Tier 2, ~64% for Tier 3)

[@megara0243]

In the middle of chapter 9....I’m so sucked in. The characters are so good. April is so relatable I think to many people even when people don’t want to admit it.

[@louisschultz5489]

So does anybody know when the join button is coming to South Africa? It feels strange to me that i dont see a join button just because im from a different country

[@Mad.E]

I get the whole "money goes into the same bucket" thing from your point of view... But someone clicking "join" on hankschannel might wanna encourage you to make more hankschannel videos instead of more scishow/crashcourse (although I _love_ those channels)

[@MRuby-qb9bd]

That's a good point.

[@bluester7177]

I don't think so, this channel seems like a more Hank rambling random things that are in his head than anything else, doesn't seem like needs a lot of editing and time.

[@Mad.E]

@@bluester7177 Hmm... Yeah. But I see it more like what else could he be doing? You're right, this channel feels like a hobby, but you can only find the time to do your hobby when it doesn't take away from your earnongs too much. And by paying him, that problem is solved.

[@bluester7177]

I don't think it would be like that because Hank likes what he does and he seems to be always searching for new things, he could be less involved in crash course and sci show, he is the boss and yet he seems just as invested as he was years ago. I don't know seems to me that it doesn't matter if people pay here, vlogbrothers, crash course ,sci show or patreon in the end is probably ging to the same place but maybe i'm wrong.

[@Mad.E]

@@bluester7177 I get what you're saying. But if Hank realized that people here were purposefully paying for hankschannel content, maybe he'd feel encouraged to keep posting as much as he does right now. Cause sometimes it seems like he thinks that these videos are worth less than a scripted vlogbrothers or high production value scishow video...

[@aaronworkgrierson1470]

Thanks so much for explaining things in a way that I can understand it

[@donbrunodelamancha1927]

@hankschannel I do not see the aforementioned “join” button. Where is it supposed to be?

[@sakrelaasta]

Since we are talking about youtube… Do you have any “inside” information about the chance of having two audio channels in youtube videos? It would be very useful for non English speaking creators, that could have an English audio and one in their native language. I have the impression that it was used in some videos created from youtube for an even or something, but nothing for the everyday user.

[@lexer_]

Is it easily possible to just "join" for one month only? I don't want to commit for a long time but I want to express my appreciation that they finally managed to add this feature and of course I want to support you guys :)

[@tutterbear98]

I was a member of Markiplier's for a while before I couldn't afford it anymore. It is super easy to cancel, it'll just stop charging you after the month.

[@KatrinaEames]

Is it still a hanklerfish if someone else draws it?

[@KathyTrithardt]

Look at you getting philosophical. 😊

[@SeanGHOB]

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[@KittyJellyBeanYT]

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[@MrsInAbox]

Yes. But it's not an oroginal

[@mmkfk]

There is only one channel that I have been paying close attention to the membership of. That is Markiplier. I love hime and his channel. He makes enough money to be fine without membership but he wanted to do bigger and better productions. Two summers ago he did a project that cost him $45,000 after selling merchandise for it. He could handle doing this once in a while but he could not do it as consistently as he wanted with out putting things behind a paywall. I am not a member of his channel and I don't feel like I am missing out on something huge. I think it is a better viewer experience for him to have members and give the members things I don't get because he gets to make the crazy things that he wants to and I get them for free. I am very happy that mark gets to make the things he wants and I get to watch them without them having to be something on iTunes or youtube red. I am grateful to the people that can and do support. I get to benefit from them.

[@reit2951]

KZbin wants to keep people on its site to get and applease advertisers. If they care about their users’ experience they would have report button for bad ads etc.

[@DanielBloom1]

dude you seem like you just had a bath or massage lol so chill I like

[@mpilosov]

I did a little guesswork on your "surprisingly nervous" video and estimated that this could net $3k a month, but I guess active participation/enthusiasm is way lower than I guessed. Only $120? Wow. Only 0.07% of people who watched that video "joined" ... I thought it would be more like 2-5%.

[@JokesInBase13]

I think it will probably stay pretty low tbh, largely because of the fixed price. $5 isn't a huge amount of money for someone who has a typical amount of disposable income, but let's say you have $20/month to spend on creator support, that's only 4 creators you can help out and you have to give them the same amount, whereas if you go somewhere like Patreon you can spread that same $20 over 6-8 creators, or perhaps distribute more of your resources to small channels with a limited number of patrons just staring out who may be trying to invest in better equipment and just give a $2 token of appreciation to a massively popular channel who already have a large number of patrons to support them. Especially once you realize that a bigger cut of the money goes to the creators via Patreon. It's not that the audience isn't engaged, it's just that they get more bang for their buck on other donation platforms. Now if KZbin were to add a $5 Super Chat type button to the videos where it is a one-time donation for some perk specific to the comments section of that video (perhaps a new tab with a running list of usernames that donate), I think that would spread like wildfire on this platform.

[@bobhearinger]

I don't even see the JOIN button ...

[@mpilosov]

That's an interesting idea. And also an accurate representation of how I spread my money around creators on Patreon.

[@TrinaWallace]

Janez I believe it’s only available in the US of A

[@seanplayscl]

@@TrinaWallace I don't think it's just USA. Farther up in the comments, Jim has the fish, and i know Jim is from the UK

[@uhohhotdog]

I don’t see the button on iPad app or iPhone

[@melon4249]

Twitch takes exactly half of subs and about half of bits, and streamers often add bonuses (giveaways, chatrooms, discords) for subs

[@Piemasteratron]

Man also 'thanks for Hanking out' should be a thing

[@emeraldmaria]

I'd like to hear more about why you don't view this as a substitute for Patreon (you already went into why you think YT Join is a less attractive option to creators, but I feel as if that's a slightly different question). Don't think this hankschannel join will compete w/ Dear Hank and John on Patreon or anything, but if you had a hankschannel Patreon I think this YT Join would be used as a substitute. Would like to hear more of your thoughts on this!

[@pneumannic]

I had NO IDEA what the title was talking about, so I clicked... AND THERE IT WAS! "Join". Join WHAT??? D=

[@LivingJustForFun]

Does the join button not pop up on youtube red customers? I have never seen it and I know a couple of channels that i watch have it.

[@WhereWhoMe]

Such a cute fishy!!! Maybe one of these days. Though I can't wait to see how Hank will make the live streams suck. 😉One of these days I'll get a fishy, just not now.

[@RememberTheTrees]

Iii really don't want to miss out on the livestreams even if they are really bad, because I, y'know, have watched literally every video you've made since vlogbrothers began and to be honest it makes me a little sad that I can't afford this exclusive thing and I was wondering if it would be possible to have recordings of the livestreams posted afterwards so that members can participate in the chat and stuff but non-members can still watch?

[@jengreenwich6148]

Do you get extra perks for being a member of your own channel, because that’d be fun. Like a gold Hanklerfish. Also, it supporting CrashCourse and SciShow makes me all warm and fuzzy. I love those channels and they have inspired me to get more into SciComm.

[@afroceltduck]

I'm not sure what my opinion is on 'Join,' but I'm glad there is at least one alternative to Patreon. As great as it is, I don't think it's good to have just one company doing something so important. If the company had to shut down for some reason, so many livelihoods would be in jeopardy.

[@jessicasnow9007]

So if I only have the money to do one, should I pick Patreon or KZbin memberships? Pros and cons of each?

[@nicolebeatty3201]

Hanklerfish tag is 10/10

[@GuanoLad]

I wish I had the kind of skills that would lend itself to Patreon support. I would love to be making stuff for fans. But the weird stuff I make is too niche and obscure for it to work, sadly. So tempting when I see so many creators use the platform so effectively, but sadly impractical for me.

[@MRuby-qb9bd]

You might not be able to make a living at it but you should go for it a little bit anyway. Sometimes it's the niche stuff that makes out the best because the people who do like it can't get much of it anywhere else and you don't have mainstream competition to worry about.

[@Landaren98]

This video reminded me to patreon (let it be a verb) and have a this week in ryans marathon

[@YamiChip]

Do you have any insight into which channels got the join button? I just would never have guessed hankschannel would get one. It's basically the only Green Bros related channel I would've bet against.

[@amys3168]

I only use mobile and I don’t see it. But I’ve heard it’s $5 a month. That’s a 6th of my KZbin budget. I do premiere and many patreon. I just don’t think I can put that much on one creator. I want everyone to thrive! One of my favorites only does the KZbin membership, so I just try to buy their merchandise when I can.

[@Redrum420CF]

i dont think ill do the join thing but either today or tomorrow i might get a nerd fighter t shirt and your signed book combo and maybe one or 2 other things from the DFTBA shop.

[@william5018]

When you don't got money but you still want to join

[@TheSquawkingbird]

I've seen another video where it shows the join button. I don't seem to see them. Is this only in certain countries?

[@MegumiMoo]

Thanks for making ok for those that can't afford it.

[@UpLateGeek]

Interdasting. I wonder if it doesn't work for G Suite users like the old sponsor system?

[@CarolynMa]

instead of saying "thanks for hanging out" hank should say "thanks for HANKing out" and make it his tag phrase

[@nikkiwilliamson4665]

I can’t see the button anywhere (I’m on mobile in the UK if that makes a difference)

[@starlinguk]

I can see it. It's 5 quid a month in the UK, which ain't cheap.

[@starlinguk]

Shows up on mobile for me.

[@TheKris47]

The FAQ says the buttons haven’t launched on IOS yet (not sure if that’s up to date though). I can’t see it either.

[@puupipo]

I'd love it if the creator had the option to allow viewers to "Join" for free, like a pay what you want kind of model. Everyone gets a hanklerfish!

[@brittanyrd14]

Is this not available on mobile? I can’t find the button

[@joeldheath]

As long as attention is the highest-value currency, the incentives will continue to be perverse. I have a strong preference for Patreon for this reason.

[@lifegeek5742]

Is that an Opportunity rover pin?

[@culwin]

Waiting for John to take over this channel like he did Hankgames

[@crapstirrer]

Is it the same as the 'sponsor' button I've been seeing enxt to channel names?

[@SEH221]

I wish I could support! I live that hanklerfish!

[@gustavhl7684]

Honestly I'm not sure what I feel about the feature itself but I am not outright opposed to it, but what I really dislike about it is the terminology used. "memberships" and "joining" have a lot of potential implications of divisiveness and exclusion of those unwilling or especially problematically unable to pay, since not being a "member" or not having "joined", even if it might not be so in the specific situation, to me have strong connotations of not being part of a community, that "patron" or even "subscriber" do not (you can read a newspaper you are not subscribed to either by purchasing single issues, visiting a library or getting it from a friend, you cannot be a member of a club without having "joined" it one way or another). This is not to say that I necessarily think all content should be freely available under a "pay what you want model" (even though I think it's a great form of doing things in the places where it is viable), but that I feel the terminology is potentially quite problematic in communities that subscribe strongly to the idea of the content being available to everyone regardless of economic ability and who value thoughtful, effortful, interesting contributions rather than monetary ones as their basis.

[@Jerome...]

I can't tell the fish is a fish on a 4k screen. It's so small!

[@ctgarcia1991]

I don’t have this option....?

[@seanplayscl]

Question: does the fishy stay in comments of other channels?

[@DerUnbekannte]

@0:45 you're scaring me O.O

[@MrAlisterH]

Hey Hank, I dunno if you'll see this comment or maybe someone else will. I'm starting to get in to vlogging, I've got a few videos uploaded on an alt channel that I'm not quite comfortable posting about right now but I'm just recording on my phone. I'm looking for a good starter camera but anywhere I turn I'm running in to people recommending $500+ cameras. I can't afford to do that, and am wondering if you (or anyone else) could make some recommendations for a starter setup that's under about $100-150?

[@jamiesmith3396]

Can I just ask why when I press “join” on this channel it brings up vox

[@laurensomething1899]

I wish I had an emoji, but I must finish college and get a job before I can do this, so in just a few years.

[@secretaltruism4174]

I wish KZbin would show the badges on all videos

[@CabalCoyote]

Thanks for 'Hank'ing' out. Why, you are welcome.