What's With the Princess Hate?

Can't we all just live Happily Ever After?
Originally aired on 3/26/2013.
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[@funtimestudios2948]

Sometimes i feel like people focus more on whether or not a character is a good, strong, independent role model than an actually interesting character.

[@mimah1015]

Exactly!!! Characters can be flawed too! Not everyone has to be perfect!

[@mimah1015]

Let's at least be realistic.

[@ZoraCrowley]

My only argument with bridge to terabithia is that the role of queen is usually for the woman a king marries. If his sister were queen that'd be creepy since they're related.

[@MrManlify]

I think, Critic and everyone is aware. He is not saying that that is the title she should have, that was the scene which jogged the idea in his head!

[@UmbraKrameri]

In my language there is a different word for 'ruler who is a woman' (queen) and 'the woman the king married'. Very convenient. :D

[@sabrinamcclain162]

I think she's queen in the book, but I could be wrong

[@radioinactivescarlet_3348]

I could be wrong, but wasn't the girl who died, the queen???

[@nikolasbryant4235]

Narnia style kings and queens.

[@pageachatter229]

Personally, I think Tiana from Princess and the Frog has the best message out of all the princesses. Where the message from most of them is 'I want this' or I wish for that', Tiana's message is 'I'm gonna work my but off to GET this, and nobody's gonna stop me.' That's a really great message for the munchkins.

[@girlscanbedrummers5449]

That movie is just overrated hype pushing the agenda of diversity.

[@LadyOnikara]

Helps to have an alligator as a friend too. All princesses should have one.

[@alim.9801]

Plus the songs from that movie are awesome

[@alim.9801]

@@girlscanbedrummers5449 why's that?

[@cadendicky1855]

Agreed

[@jw8395]

Ariel's kind of a badass if you think about it. The first time she saved Eric, she swam to shore using one hand to carry him and another to move, did so rather easily through a very torrential hurricane, and when they got to land, she didn't seem all that winded in the morning. You can argue that maybe she rested, but if she really put in enough effort for that, wouldn't that increase the chance of him possibly waking up first?

[@thrackerzodthefandomnerd4267]

Half her body is a powerful fish tail, I think she'd easily have it covered. You're thinking of it in a human perspective, she's spent her whole life in the ocean and has most likely been in a couple hurricanes before, seeing as how her father 'controls the sea'. She out swam a shark because she saw something shiny

[@aconfusedbuzzard526]

@@thrackerzodthefandomnerd4267 But also think about it this way- when her father tells her not to go to the surface, he means no where NEAR the surface, too. If you've ever gone swimming and dived under the water, you could argue that though the pressure is greater deep (which mermaids would be accustomed to), mobility is much easier, because torrents don't exist down there. And almost all scenes in the actual sea kingdom take place way down deep, where no torrents exist. No matter how many hurricanes the five-foot surface experiences, the lower kingdom doesn't experience any of it, so she's NOT actually used to hurricane weather. As well, if her father controls the sea, wouldn't he decrease currents where the mermaids live?

[@asgth6147]

There is actually a princess from Dinsney that became a queen, her name is queen Kidagakash Nedakh. to bad not that many people liked Atlantis: The lost empire

[@xgray2012]

+asgth th And Elsa from Frozen as well. But, yeah. It's true...not that many people actually given much love for Atlantis: The Lost Empire. But still, at least it's better than its' direct-to-DVD sequel.

[@asgth6147]

Xaviergray87 i actually kind of like Atlantis: Milo's return, though that might just be nostalgia. also that movie was supposed to be a TV series rather than a movie, they took 3 episodes (Kraken in Trondheim, Carnaby in the dessert and Erik Hellstrøm (Hellstrom if the ø don't exist in the language) in the northern mountains) so that explains why the 2nd movie is like that. also i have not seen Frozen so i would not know is Elsa became a queen.

[@xgray2012]

asgth th if it actually was an animated series, i would have liked it even more!!!

[@asgth6147]

Xaviergray87 only reason it was not is because the 1st movie was not that popular

[@xgray2012]

asgth th *sigh!* tragic. :(

[@ASHERUISE]

And then Adventure Time just attaches the title Princess to nearly every female character on purpose to be cheeky. And Princess Bubblegum abuses her power, while Marceline the Vampire Queen just lies around and looks cool, and plays the guitar.

[@paulbloquet5697]

And at the end they become a couple

[@PinkoJack]

Alot of the male princes have zero personality too. All they do is look handsome and charming and go save the woman. the men are never asked whether or not they are ok with this or convey how they feel about going into danger to save someone they hardly know. They just do it because, he is a man and she is a woman. the gender norms go both ways and they are equally harmful.

[@PinkoJack]

Ivo Robotnik good.

[@lamia197]

Ivo Robotnik oh yeah...vegeta was a prince.... still kick ass character tho

[@RDavisLink]

Michael Martinez Well not Aladdin

[@roselalonde7845]

I agree females are seen as delicate and kind and makes are seen as stoic and strong usually lacking emotions I agree it goes both ways

[@somethingciremovies1651]

Michael Martinez A lot of old disney characters in general have zero personality lol. I don't know when it started exactly, since I haven't memorized their release dates lol, but I feel like personality started showing up in Disney characters with Mulan.

[@HiperPivociarz]

Actually, if king died, Leia wouldn't be queen... because king died with a hole planet.. she doesn't have a kingdom

[@dislike_button33]

@Cegesh Then she conquered. She didn't inherit it, she wasn't a princess anymore in any way.

[@sigridhorn2408]

@Cegesh To be queen, you have to be crowned queen. If not, you're just the Princess Regent. If you don't have a place to be crowned, then it's more of a fancy title and a symbol of hope, than anything else

[@rainbowduck4496]

This issue is in My Little Pony: Frienship is Magic too (dont bother sending me "bronies suck" comments) because Lauren Faust wanted to make a character be called Queen Celestia but Hasbro thought Queen sounds evil so shes just Princess

[@punchingplayerpenguin3291]

ikr DAMN YOU HASBRO!!!!

[@pinkwings8036]

but they do show Celestia doing the job of princess, since she does the paperwork, rallies troops, even gets into conflict herself when her people are in danger. She may be "Princess", but she's very much the top of the totem pole, with all of the responsibilities attached.

[@Raphealgirl]

My friend and I talked about this and she made an excellent point. She thinks that Celestia kept the title as respect towards her sister showing they are equal in power.

[@chespinlover1362]

Buy our toys

[@Unofficial-Name]

I never knew that

[@nikiglop-3637]

Its funny, I came to the same conclusion you came to when I was 14 and I always wanted to be a queen instead of a princess but only because I want to have the power to change the world.

[@Shaybie2494]

That was so beautifully put I was almost in tears!!!! I have always been in love with Disney princesses and I still love them forever but I claim that I am a queen. Truely inspiring.

[@bradengrayston1188]

sleeping beauty's name is Aurora

[@nathanielwindsor7679]

See, she's so forgettable nobody remembers her name

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@nathanielwindsor7679 more like people just dont pay the fuck attention.

[@Benny_101]

"Why do they keep the title of princess if their parents are already gone?" Ask Vegeta from Dragon Ball Z...

[@Zelia_Wolf]

Vegeta stopped with the title. after Namek, it barely came up. The only time it came up in Buu was during the Majin Vegeta. After Vegeta's Final Atonement, which I still think the M should be been left of Ash Vegeta statue, It never is brought again except in GT, when Bulma refers to herself as Vegeta's Queen. It's supposed to be a way to also show character building. In the beginning, he's stuck up on the passed. In the end, He's stuck to the present. he's no longer the Saiyan who lives to fight, he's a father and Earthling from Planet Vegeta who wants to protect his home and family.

[@p1nkyunknown]

I feel the best Disney princess is Mulan, she isn't even a princess, she did what she wanted, was who she was and SAVES ALL IF CHINA

[@downnice95]

Fun fact Avatar Korra is technically a princess

[@artfire28]

She's the best Princess of all animated series. Korra broke every stereotypes of princesses by race, journey, spiritual, and her duties as the most powerful human on Earth.

[@tazzerdevil98]

viacomsux45 another fact aang is superior in every way

[@downnice95]

tazzerdevil98 Another fact is Aang is a hippy airbender that ran off like a pussy for 100 years

[@downnice95]

tazzerdevil98 Thanks for making having to bash ATLA, I really love both shows equally but the blind fucking hate korra gets is so stupid it almost makes me have to insult avatar to get people off of Korra's back If LOK came out first then ATLA people would bash Avatar to death because it would be seen as too "childish"

[@tazzerdevil98]

viacomsux45 its not childish because it has serious morale issues with death also i couldn't make it through season one of look where as tla is a 10/10. i got close but to season 1 ending but percentage wise i got just as far in to tla movie

[@fromolwyoming]

Doug, you should look up Prince Vegeta. Even after the almost complete destruction of his race, death of his father, and only 1 other family of his people surviving, he still retains his title as "Prince". On that note, you really should check out the DB, DBZ (or Kai), and DBZ Abridged Series.

[@AlejandroSilva-mr7yy]

well he stays in the name of prince because the race is extinct, so he has no control over anything, so its decided by frieza and some of his men tell him to keep the name to give him honor and, above all, pride, cause vegetta is the only character frieza felt empathy and guilt (its explained very well in some exclusive comics)

[@MrRoMaGi]

fromolwyoming Well, he don't have anything to be King over, hehe.

[@OJoob]

He is aware of the dbz abridged series. He can be shown apearring in the new and improved moustache song

[@genorem]

Alejandro Silva EMPATHY!? Since when? Frieza kept him as a pet and trophy. Not out of empathy and guilt. This monster kills children without batting an eye just to get what he wants. www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/255/3

[@wonderlustking1306]

Doug doesn’t like DBZ

[@generaljimmies3429]

This is why I like Twilight Sparkle as a Princess, she takes a proactive role in her duty...even if most of the time it's confined to a single town. She has expressed a desire to do more with her role, hell she even had a song about it. And she's more than willing to step into the ring to defend her subjects. When Tirek was assaulting her nation she fought him to a stalemate...by firing FUCKING KAMEHAMEHAS at him! The only reason she lost was because Tirek resorted to a hostage situation to get her to surrender.

[@chuckbatman5]

Hostage situations, people attacking nations, kamehamehas...so I guess this is what people enjoy about mlp

[@generaljimmies3429]

Coolman Hahn Well that was just the 2-part finale to Season 4. Tirek himself actually first appeared in the very first episode of the 1980's cartoon.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

General Jimmies I find this statement nfinitely more amusing when I picture a multicolored cartoon pony projectile vomiting clones of the first King of Hawaii at her adversaries.

[@generaljimmies3429]

YumLemmingKebabs Uhhh, giant beam of death?

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

General Jimmies Yes, I know you're talking about the Turtle Destruction Wave from Dragon Ball.

[@KYLE1654-v7m]

I say there is nothing wrong with princesses. 👑 Princesses are kind-hearted and sweet~🩷

[@SasuNaruL0vR80]

I really like how the princess title is used in the 1995 movie A Little Princess; growing up mostly in India, Sarah is told by one of the regular women there that "all women are princesses it is our right." Sarah reiterates this to the "villain", Miss Minchin, when she's told that if she still considers herself a princess to "look in the mirror". Sarah says some of the most poignant words about the word princess and how it's used: "I am a princess; all girls are. Even if they live in tiny old attics, even if they dress in rags, even if they aren't pretty, or smart, or young; they're still princesses. All of us."

[@romandraco1213]

8:00 I think you just solved a question that I too have been wondering about. Thank you.

[@AlexYorim]

When I was analyzing My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, I realized that the highest title for Equestria was Princess. Then it hit me. G4 had Greco-Roman motifs, and prince and princess came from the ancient Roman title "princeps", which meant "the First".

[@SPlaythroughs]

My problem with princesses is the hypocrisy of what princesses represent vs. what women truly aspire to be. Don't get me wrong, if you're a little girl between 7 and 9 years old, then there's not a lot of aspiration there because as a kid, you're not expected to achieve much. The issue is when women carry that mind frame to adult hood like a lot of them do. I've dated a couple of women in my life that were male dependent because they had the mindset of a princess, either figuratively or literally. That just doesn't help women in the ultimate goal of independence that a lot of women these days strive for.

[@victorcates9330]

the messages are problematic because girls of age 4 will watch these films hundreds of times. I'm not sure a child of this age really needs messages about relationships. Even the newer films desperately hammering in messages of independence at such a young age is kinda weird. I have to think modelling just getting along and mutual respect is a better message.

[@monsterhanna6691]

Short answer; EVERYONE gets offended over nothing!

[@KitKat04]

I think the reason they weren't King and Queen in bridge to Terabithia was because they were brother and sister.

[@shannelpadayachee1925]

Really understand this. It opened my eyes on a lot of my feelings about certain things. Thanks NC!! :)

[@DigiRangerScott]

Isn't it grand how this was released before Frozen exploded?

[@patax144]

And frozen is in its way an analogy to all this.

[@dejaypage1575]

You mean the rabid hate for a actually good movie? If one didn't like story, that's fine, but for it being popular? Huh?

[@ZeroZXDev]

Dejay Page In the hater's defense, when a movie you didn't really love gets blown as the greatest thing ever, one tends to thinks it is a tiny bit overrated. For example, I'm one of those people who understand FF VII's legacy yet still finds it to a tad bit overrated.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

ZeroZXDev Purge the non-believer! Firaga their heathen flesh from their bones and etc!

[@dejaypage1575]

ZeroZXDev That's fair. But still, while I can admit fans over play it a bit, it's still a good Disney movie. So while I can understand someone not likingi t because they don't particurally like the plot, the characters, the songs or the like, that's all fine. That's all a matter of preference...but I'm talking about those people who are just saying 'I hate Frozen because it's popular."

[@anjailbakeer]

My favorite video, so far

[@George-Hawthorne]

6:00 well of course she will be the princes because YOU DON'T MAKE YOUR LITTLE SISTER YOUR QUEEN. Besides He already had a queen and now his queen is dead.

[@Ofisil]

3:20 Businessman critic, BUSINESS-man...

[@youngbounty1394]

Interestingly enough, only a few months after this would be Frozen, who introduces its first Disney Princess becoming a queen, who now is the most popular role model and icon for little girls.

[@Kassie0ate0a0cow]

I know I'm really pulling this out of left field here, but in Magic Mike XXL they made a DISTINCT point at making sure the women were all refereed to as 'queens' and NEVER princesses, it was to emphasise their strength and status as an individual person in control of their body and choices. I really loved that, it made me feel powerful instead of 'dainty' and 'girly'.

[@Alondro77]

Fun fact: Lauren Faust initially wanted Celestia to be Queen Celestia, but the Hasbro corporate hacks said, "No no! Queens are always the BAD GUYS in fairy tales!"

[@korrakuki1622]

This is why I like Elsa from Frozen. She's a queen. She's not evil and she wasn't saved by a man but by her sister.

[@kencoleman5007]

My only Princess hate is that Kida and Gisselle aren't officially included (when meeting the two requirements of being a "Disney" "princess"), but Mulan is somehow included as a "Disney Princess" when she was neither royal nor married a royal. She's rumored to be an honorary princess like how Zsa Zsa Gabor's ninth husband (Frédéric Prinz von Anhalt) was only an honorary prince because he paid a German royal for adult adoption. My favorite Disney princesses are Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Kida, Giselle, and Rapunzel.

[@kencoleman5007]

Kida's becoming a queen by the end of the Atlantis movie is often used as an argument against her eligibility for the franchised sorority. But in the case of Leia, she could technically be a princess for two reasons. That she was the adoptive daughter of King Organa (who was a Senator before the fall of the Old Republic) and that her birth mother was a former queen of Naboo. Kylo-Ren is by birthright a prince. While there's no more kings or queens (kaisers or kaiserins) in Germany, the Royal family still lives on. More official than Zsa Zsa's prinz, and having royal titles, but absolutely no governmental abilities bestowed through birthright.

[@Formoka]

I do like this. We need more awesome queens.

[@sleepdemonsmusic]

Subtitles: "Thomas Dawson Creek, I remember it so you don't have to."

[@SharkWitchMeruna]

With Elsa and Ariel (under the assumption Melody is canon) being queens and Giselle being a stepmom, its progress!

[@Ireallywouldrathernot]

The real problem here is Love Interest as Reward, whether that pertains to male or female protagonists. When this trope is invoked, the "Love Interest" is rarely treated as a person in themselves, more as an object or a symbol of a life well lived that deserves a reward. While it can work in a symbolic sense, it is ultimately dehumanising to the love interest, and also implying that if you fail to find your true love it is because you're simply not a good person. I know this is shit people will eventually learn isn't true anyway, but it doesn't help when you're told this throughout your childhood. People aren't rewards. Relationships aren't a given, and you being a good person has nothing to do with your success in romance. It's unhelpful to say the least.

[@ConnanTheCivilized]

Ok?????? I’ve never heard anyone, male or female, claim that movie relationships are somehow a reward. Just hating on other people for being in a relationship, that’s sociopathic.

[@ofthewilderwoods]

In the end of the Bridge to Terabithia book, Jess tells his sister that the citizens of Terabithia are looking at her to see the queen they've been waiting for. QUEEN.

[@kordeliiius9821]

The king and princess vs queen thing in Bridge to Terabithia actually makes sense. Let's say if a crowned prince becomes king, his younger siblings will still hold the lower ranking titles of prince, princess, etc. even spouses have those titlse if they don't hold equal power to the ruler.

[@lydia8526]

Princesses are quite good and in their movies as individuals and usually have fun and charming personalities the one to blame is the disney princess line up characters are actually good but the way they are marketed is wrong.

[@justincarawan-carawanco.pu1639]

Lilo&Stitch reference and KimPossible reference! Thank you!!

[@SonicVegeta]

With Vegeta it makes sense that he’s a prince because ugh what nation. The entirety of planet vegeta was blown to bits

[@MuffinHunterX]

I'm gonna argue that a lot of the princesses in the cartoons, (Lana, Sally etc) are in a nebulous political situation. In those cases the kingdom has been disrupted by the villain and there's no central government that speaks for and represents all citizens. The princess is usually the leader of the rebel force here. Therefore a declared coronation could be seen as a powergrab and just end up causing in-fighting amongst those that would be potential allies. By not overstepping their bounds until the situation can be stabilized they avoid flaring up smaller battles as well as how In Lana's case her father wasn't even dead but trapped in another dimension and in Sally's it wasn't clear what happened to her father. (I remember seeing him restored in the comics back when I was reading them but that was years ago.) Jasmine was also fleshed out more in the cartoon so that's probably why she didn't get much flak.

[@shannonbananan8520]

My friend loves Cinderella to death and I stand by what he says about her: Cinderella is just so damn hopeful. She stands up for herself and never has bad feelings towards those that even wrong her. And when her time with the prince is cut short, she doesn't go crazy with grief that it's over, she's just happy that it happened.

[@leewitten4758]

I cannot recommend Into The Woods (obc recording) enough. It really goes into depth about fairytale characters' irresponsibility, and passivity. As the song goes "[they're] so nice. [They're] not good, [they're] not bad [they're] just nice."

[@KyrstOak]

6:13 No, that'd be incest. It should be 'prince and princess'.

[@Earthstar_Review]

Actually, Princess Leia was the adoptive daughter of an Alderaanian noble. He died with the planet, I think...so her title was kinda stuck since she had no title left to inherit.

[@AhSatan]

Not only that. Her biological mother was also a queen therefore she still would've had royal blood.

[@Earthstar_Review]

That always confused me. Apparently she was "elected" queen. I guess her husband would officially be Queen's Consort and children prince and princess, despite their not inheriting what is essentially President or possibly Dictator Elect.

[@kaiteyrrick64]

She's a General now, since this came out...

[@victorcates9330]

The point is they thought to justify the character by affixing the label and meaning of 'princess'. After they worked out it undercut the character as standing on her own merit, they tried to fix this after the fact by altering what 'princess' meant, and then just by changing her station to general - which within the force awakens wasn't justified as being more earned than her previous title.

[@Nootathotep]

in Princess Sally's case, isn't it possible the king and/or queen are alive but fearful of Robotnik and won't stand up to him. In this case, though, we should still have seen them.

[@st4r64]

I like how no pictures of Princess Daisy were shown, as she is the complete antithesis to dainty.

[@mechanesthesia]

Thumbs up for Daria

[@Aussieroth7]

6:07 ... Actually no. He's the older brother. He is king by that rule while she is princess because she was the second child. The only way for her to be queen is if they were married and it ain't a GoT movie so... Yeah there's that. The rest however... bit hard to refute.

[@KairiYajuu]

In the case of MLP:FiM, Lauren Faust originally wanted Princess Celestia to be a Queen, yet Hasbro asked her to change it because Disney created the idea that Queen's are evil and Princesses are good.

[@shaynestark1550]

You know this review made me realize something about Princess Bubblegum. Her dad isn't around (I think) yet she still uses the title Princess. I realized that she didn’t choose this because it was a cute title she chose it to gain popularity in order to stay in power. She new it was more marketable. I think it makes her charicture more interesting because when you think about it she is kind of a ruthless politician.

[@SeanR794]

MULAN WENT TO FUCKING WAR

[@dejaypage1575]

And was the one to kill the Hun army by making an avalanche :P

[@kunyoruyo]

and she also wasn't a princess

[@SeanR794]

***** to her dad she was...

[@goodjobeli]

Ixpantenco She's on the official lineup

[@MrOrcshaman]

Tiana is probably my fav disney princess, right after Belle, since though the movie Tiana works hard to achieve her goals, and even at the end overcomes one of her faults because she was so driven thats all she knew to do. Incidentally, Frozen is one of the first real disney movies to make the princess into a queen. Sure you have princess Anna, but it made sense since their parents died, Elsa would be the new queen, and she didn't become the bad guy, instead a misunderstood character who shows her kind nature at the end.

[@BadWolfRT]

But aren't the parents, i.e. the kings/queens, often still alive in Disney? Prince charming is a prince because his dad's still kicking, making Cinderella a princess. Same with Ariel. Same with Jasmine, Pocahontas, Aurora, Rapunzel and Merida. Mulan got her title because it was awarded to her because of her bravery, not because she became a royal I think. Anna is a princess because Else, the queen, is the elder sister. I don't know the parental status of Adam or Snow White's prince, nor that of Naveen, but for most of these girls, the ruling monarchs are still firmly in place. I understand his point, but I'm not sure I agree. And for the record, in Barbie Princess and the Pauper, the queen is also still very much alive, and yet the princess single-handedly changes their entire economical system and makes it profitable again, saving her country from bankruptcy through her geographical knowledge. So the princess trope can be done well, and they can be given positions of power and be shown to change things. Just because that isn't usually done, doesn't mean that there is something inherently wrong with the title of "princess". Also, the whole point of a fairytale is to be able to leave reality in a while. To go to a place where kindness and hard work are rewarded and a happy ending is guaranteed. And that is why it is a fairytale. We know it isn't real, but we're living reality every day.

[@fed7516]

Big Boss is the best Disney princess Come on, let's f ace it, it would make everything better! Metal Gear Solid Cindarella "It's time you fuckers pay for what you had me do" *shoots everybody" Metal Gear Solid Sleeping Beauty "I'm afraid you have been in a coma for... nine years" Metal Gear Solid Aladin "I'm going to show you the world and all of his metal gears" Metal Gear Solid Cinderella (MGSV hospital scene) Metal Gear Solid Little Mermaid "She landed on the pacific, and Zeke now lies beneath the sea" See? IT WORKS!

[@clericofchaos1]

I don't understand why so many Disney women are considered "princesses" Mulan is not a princess, Pocahontas isn't a princess, Lilo definitely isn't a princess, heck if we're being technical Belle was never an official princess because obviously whatever country the beast was prince of moved on and got a new government, because by hiding away in his castle everyone thought the prince was dead (So they either got themselves a new royal family or moved on to a more advanced form of government, like democracy).

[@kacchanbakugo6556]

clericofchaos1 Pocahontas was historically considered a Native American princess though

[@UmbraKrameri]

Elsa is crowned queen in Frozen taking all the responsibility for her kingdom (well, at least after she leashed out and ran away from everything), so I guess, Disney is getting better in this too. The one thing I was always disturbed about the Disney Princess lineup that it's often the girl who is from the local royal bloodline and the boy is either not royal at all or from the royal family of a different country. So, logically, the girl should become queen of the country with the boy ruling beside her as prince. But it's never explained of course and fairytales often end with the feeling that the man coming from nowhere is going to be in charge with the princess beside him only as a pretty accessory. Actual real-life royal families often prove things can be the other way around (khm... Queen Elisabeth II... khm).

[@Dim4323]

Also Jasmine did throw punch on the 3rd movie

[@bradchadwick4343]

Nostalgia Critic is a good little boy

[@axelgonzalezz9442]

What about Elsa,she's a queen

[@jacobmedina844]

Walter Disney was not a genius he copied everything

[@thisaccountisembarrassingi4429]

If Disney had "copied" fairy tales, Ariel would've died at the end of the movie. And I'm not even gonna TOUCH Sleeping Beauty.

[@AngelicaRamirez-ti6wi]

If I have something to add about Princess Aurora is that she had to be rescued because of Maleficent's spell when she pricked her thumb on the spinning wheel not because she's a damsel in distress.

[@eranamter]

Perhaps read the graphic novel series 'Fables'. That ought to change some minds on princesses :D

[@randomguynamedtheo]

that princess ad sounds like the grey Jedi code

[@barbiquearea]

And yet a lot of young boys don't fantasize becoming the dashing prince who goes on dangerous quests saving damsals and battling ogres and dragons. Nah most boys prefer to fantasize themselves as knights who can do all that stuff without the baggage.

[@trixxartarchive7705]

Yeah but Cinderella isn't just sitting around she was suffering some pretty harsh abuse from her step mother.

[@ZephyrusAsmodeus]

Probably gonna catch flak for mentioning this but even in My Little Pony the city of Canterlot is ruled by princesses, Queen Chrysalis was a villain, King Sombra was a villain, even non-Disney uses this method.

[@WilhelminaGrady13]

That was a very well thought out and insightful analysis. :)

[@schwarzeseis4031]

Aaaand two things spring to my mind: Being a princess as easy: Hire a good Necromancer and ask Lady Diana, Princess of Wales about that. Kindness as a negative trait or even stereotype: Well, there is that one Animee, where one girl's kindness and dedication to be usefull for something saved as litle as all of humanity. Which was quite some lesson for me.

[@paullee3726]

We should tell people that beauty isn't everything and that people who look after us won't live forever so they have to learn to take responsibility so they can live on their own or raise a family. Though youth and beauty is great, not everything last forever in this universe but that doesn't mean your inner or outer beauty is lost and you can still be a good person even if your ugly and people have different opinions about what is beautiful and even if your old you can still look good and young but you are still old and there's nothing wrong with that. Life isn't just about looks and youth and when your born you will die someday anyways but you should live your days to the fullest anyways because you don't know how long you live and how many lives you have so you might as well live life to the fullest.

[@jonathank4278]

The definition of a Princess is the female Child of a King, and Queen.

[@saaaai207]

6:09 Queen Elizabeth II is a queen but Prince Phillip is still a prince. Soak that in. ;o

[@RJIS]

For Bridge to Terabithia, Leslie is the true queen and Jess is the king. Also Jess and his sister are SIBLINGS! That movie doesn’t have or need incest. And that film isn’t god awful

[@Erinyes]

This was a very sound argument you made. Nice video. I myself grew up hating princesses but I don't know why. Like, I was a child who didn't know any better, but I avoided all Disney films and never touched any of the pink sections in the toy stores. I hated Disney princesses for a long time and I didn't know why. To me, girls that liked princesses were dumb and I didn't know why either. I hated Disney heroines too like Gabriella from HSM. I think it was because of how I felt annoyed of the stereotype and expectation of girls and women, and this is so strange because I was just a kid. Somehow, I have sensed that a long time ago and wanted to fight it. I delved into sports and martial arts, and acted as "manly" as I could be that people thought I was a lesbian. I think that sort of thinking lives on to me today. I refuse to shave, to trim my eyebrows, to look as clean and dainty as society wants me to think. But what's different is I actually like girly-looking designs now. I don't want the strong, tomboyish female character anymore. I want to play the pretty girly one who still kicks ass. I think that it is the title and the fantasy of girls that has gotten the princess hate, including mine. When I was a girl, I didn't want to have to wear a skirt and find a man to save me. I wanted to play with remote control cars and fight them in sports. I disliked how girls daydreamed and take the passive role that seems to stick to the "princess" title. The association of passiveness with princesses and the hate on the queens seems to shed some light of my subconscious thoughts in the past. So really, nice vid.

[@winster6257]

I wish they would tell the tales of some of the badass princesses of history; Tamar the great, wu zeitian, ect.

[@BarbieGamboa]

GREAT VIDEO ♡♡♡

[@pinkwings8036]

Man, I'm just in the princess thing because pink and glitter. And the social power fantasy of owning a room by sheer presence doesn't hurt either.

[@blackmantis1511]

So, I watched this video for the first time and kind of chuckled when he started arguing a similar point to one I discovered recently, in fact almost the same point but in a slightly different context, in the anime Dragon Ball Z, Vegeta always refers to himself as the prince of the saiyans, despite his family being dead and his home planet destroyed. Me and my friends were talking and came to the realization, he's actually the king of the saiyans, even though the population of saiyans in the universe has, as far as he knows, dwindled to near extinction, so why does he still call himself prince? Well I then realized, a prince isn't expected to save his people, a prince isn't expected to be a just ruler, in other words, a prince doesn't have the responsibility or obligation to avenge his people like a king would. He's avoiding the responsibility to protect the "subjects" he still has, and to avenge those he has lost.

[@Zelia_Wolf]

Vegeta stopped with the title. after Namek, it barely came up. The only time it came up in Buu was during the Majin Vegeta. After Vegeta's Final Atonement, which I still think the M should be been left of Ash Vegeta statue, It never is brought again except in GT, when Bulma refers to herself as Vegeta's Queen. It's supposed to be a way to also show character building. In the beginning, he's stuck up on the passed. In the end, He's stuck to the present. he's no longer the Saiyan who lives to fight, he's a father and Earthling from Planet Vegeta who wants to protect his home and family.

[@HelloChief117]

Well, in Leia's case, it's kinda hard to rule or ascend the hierarchy when her entire planet got blown up. She also ditches the title in the second (or fifth if you want to be all chronological about it) movie.

[@jessicastewart1856]

i never wanted to be a princess, but i think i like it more than queen because a queen implies being married, when i was 5 i didn't want to EVER marry, and even now when i'm 20 i feel the same way.

[@russiandrago821]

It depends on the type of person you are. I personally love the type of princesses like Wonder Woman and Leia who can be kind AND kick some serious ass! Also all of you gotta look at real life, Queen Elizabeth is a Queen and she is very kind towards her people! more than 60 years and still runnin' strong!

[@jayns4542]

I don't want to be princess. I'm a queen, peasants.

[@poisonsilvally8988]

Watch with auto generated subtitles for the first 10 seconds

[@blackvendaeta7104]

The only queens I can think of in recent years who aren't evil are Susan and Lucy from Narnia, and Gwenivere from Merlin.

[@thatfrenchguy9140]

+Channel Awesome the title of queen was traditionally bestowed to the woman who was married to the king. it's not a title you reach by youself. being the only daughter of a king also did not grant you the title upon the king's death, instead the princess is married to the guy who'll actually rule and become King. Queens by themselves had no power and their function was limited to being a display case of the couple (basically they were an attribute of the husband). they couldn't reach any status of prestige or authority without being led by a man, and their only way of being promoted was to be wed. The one way a woman could actually be in power was to be the widow of a great leader (hence the usual bitterness of these characters), and then manage to escape being remaried. in which case she would fulfill the role of her former husband and act with his authority. This explains why there are so many princesses, single ladies traditionally couldn't reach the status of Queen no matter who led the state. not that I support it, it was just the case. To make the girl a Queen in any show is to put her out of reach of the protagonist (as she was already claimed at least once, and/or is morning her true love... the protagonist then becomes some kind of spare wheel more than his own man, which in term hampers characted developement and removes strength from him). Thus it's generally counter productive regarding the roles the women are supposed to play in the script (which sadly is often eye-candy and/or motivation for the guy to do something).

[@johnbrick4076]

With Bridge to Terabithia, you could at least argue if his sister had been queen, it would of implied insist, but with Wrench it Ralph, there is no excuse.

[@kelseyregank-drawproductio9510]

Honestly, I generally like princess characters, I'm just not a fan of the GUYS they habitually fall for. I see that as their primary issue... Like, Arial is adventurous, inquisitive, and loves to study foreign cultures! So cool! ...Falls in love with the first human she sees and gives everything up for him without having once had a conversation. Cinderella is hardworking, kindhearted, and gentle to animals many find repulsive. So sweet! ... Falls in love with a guy she danced with for about an hour, and doesn't even know his name. There are others who have similar situations: Strong, admirable characters who instantly fall in love with guys who, let's be honest, are more than "fixer uppers." I guess much of this plays into the concept of "Love at first sight" which I'm not a huge believer in... the situations more strike me as actually being "Kind and loving character who is generally isolated from others meets someone who is nice to them and physically attractive." It makes sense. I think we've all at some point been very lonely and kinda bonded ourselves to someone who showed us kindness in some degree or another. I'm just not a huge fan of these otherwise great characters so easily settling for "meh" guys they've just met.

[@JurassicRaptor1993]

Princess is also a Royal Rank. I say "IS" because absolute monarchies still exists.

[@MB-ii8di]

Look in the description, this was aired in 2013 WHATTTTT LOL

[@nate4885]

On bridge to tarabithia your wrong, the only way she could be queen is if they were married

[@Esmeralda2diamon]

I think on bridge of terabithia you are a princess because your elder brother is the king. She is only allowed to be queen if something happens to her older brother.

[@Cashopeia]

In my opinion, the main reason why most of the Disney Princesses are hated is because most of them are Mary Sues. And always end up marrying their Prince Charming they just met.

[@RM-cn8pw]

Mille You clearly don't know what a Mary Sue is if you think that.

[@imaadshahrukh4829]

Mille And Princess Fiona from Shrek was created as a middle finger to this concept.

[@phastinemoon]

Not sure about others, but I did figure that Leia still being referred to as 'Princess' was not her choice -- in fact, after the first film, we only ever hear Han refer to her as 'Princess', 'Your Highness', or 'Your Worship', and she clearly hates it -- and even then, it's more a class thing than because she's royalty. I figured it was because that was the title she'd held for so long that people kept addressing her out of habit (same way people keep remembering Diana as 'Princess of Wales' even though she wasn't, technically) I don't mind the girl characters being Princesses, so long as they're still interesting. At least that way, you can make an argument as to the 'why' specific to them, not just 'because girls are princesses'.

[@SoujiMonaru]

And not long after he would go on to praise Frozen for making one of the main characters a Queen...who is definitely one of the most famous ones now...

[@RoyG.BivDevoe]

It's mostly how the princess are marketed and how the parents of those little girls present to them as a positive role model. Almost all the Disney princesses that are suppose to be independent, relatable, likeable, and have character are being marketed in the wrong way, for instsnce; Mulan, Merida, and Tiana. These girls are being marketed in the worse common denominator of the harmful stereotypes of the later Disney princesses. When you see a Mulan doll at a toy store you don't see her decked in her armor or training clothes, you don't see her with a sword or a bow and arrows. Instead you see her with pretty hand mirrors, a vanity, luxurious looking combs, and baretts with many assortment of dresses, and in hindsight that's not bad a thing but that's not what Mulan is all about, it's even apparent in the movie that that's not what she's all about and actually struggles with the trope of what her role as a woman and a daughter is suppose to be, not all that. Then there's Merida, when her doll came out there was outrage and justly so, why is Merida wearing make up, wearing pretty dresses, her freckles absent on her face, and why is her hair straight and dolled up just like the earlier princesses when again that's not what Merida is all about in the movie. Merida is a tomboy through and through, she's not only a princess but she's a daughter of a warrior, which shines through the entire movie, it is never secretly hidden. Her mother knows what she's all about and her father knows what she's all about--which he is absolutely delighted about. He proudly relishes his daughter likeness to him, which is why he doesn't correct her when his wife reprimands her for not potraying of how a princess should behave. Finally there's Tiana like the others you don't see dolls of her in her working attire or even have a play kit of the diner she worked at nor the restaurant she owns. As usually she has an assortment of dresses and accessories, and again just like the others that's not what Tiana is about. Unlike Cinderella who worked hard through subservience, Tiana worked hard cause she had a realistic ambitious goal, Tiana knew the value of a dollar and that every penny count towards the dream she wanted to achieve which I found that to be quite wholesome. Unlike Cinderella who was rewarded for her hard work (through subservience) and kindness in the end, Tiana's hard work, determination, and love for food was not rewarded initially and her dreams were dashed by shady underhanded business men. But in the end after marrying prince Naveen she chose to continue wanting to open her restaurant instead being whisked away to a far off land to play the roll of princess. I know this is too long so I'll wrap it up, by Disney marketing these princess like the old school princesses I feel that little girls are missing out on what makes these princesses uniquely them. It's not all about the pretty dresses and accessories, it's how they are portrayed in the movies which Disney isn't doing very well in marketing that.

[@kierantobin4553]

The princesses that weren't queens (Sally, Leia, etc) weren't married. A prince becomes a king when the old king is gone, and he gets married. Hence, they're princesses, not queens.

[@Dialny]

I really wouldn't blame Jasmine for going back to her royal life in the castle. We should remember what she thought happened after her escape: The boy who helped her was executed. After such a shock, I'm not surprised she didn't want to try again.