What Sam Harris Realized About Palestinians That NO ONE Else Did

[@Ruach7777]

Oct 7th has NEVER been about land. People who think a two state will solve the conflict, are completely ignorant to the reality.

[@owenarnold7611]

Even Isaac Herzog (who's centre left) - who when he was housing minister for Israel spearheaded the signing off of the 2005 Gaza disengagement where 8000 Israeli's were forcefully withdrawn from that region - is now accepting the two state solution is over and that it's not about land.

[@cmarais-ks3kd]

Jew hatred: because God of the Bible, favoured the Jewish race.

[@finalio]

@@owenarnold7611exactly, especially when he said no innocent civilians in gaza. So much left leaning there

[@owenarnold7611]

@@finalio While he did say an entire nation was responsible for October 7th (he recognises Palestine's legitimacy and sovereignty) and that "This rhetoric of 'unaware, uninvolved civilians,' is not true. They could've resisted, they could've fought this evil regime that took over Gaza." (Herzog) He also said at the world economic forum that his words were "twisted partial and fragmented quotes, with the intention of supporting a fabricated legal contention" he would go on to say "There are also innocent Palestinians in Gaza." He did emphasize that "the reality cannot be ignored, a reality which we all saw with our own eyes as published by Hamas on that cursed day, and that was the involvement of many residents of Gaza in the slaughter, in the looting, and in the riots of October 7. How the crowds in Gaza cheered at the sight of Israelis being slaughtered and their bodies mutilated. At the sight of hostages - God knows what they did to them - wounded and bleeding being dragged through the streets." (Herzog) Politically he used to be full on 2 state solution and wanted Palestine to exist as a thriving nation. He's just honest enough to admit he got it wrong post October 7th and has done a 180 degrees on his initial Israel /Palestine political beliefs....

[@shadowkhan422]

@@finalio Quess people can learn they where wrong , huh? When people you wanted to have peace with act like rabid dogs , even an idealist can get a hint

[@longandshort6639]

Hamas said that they “love death more than Israelis love life”. So why all the whining and complaining when the IDF gives them what they want?

[@wintergreentheme]

100% 😂

[@philflip1963]

"Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life". John 12:25 So much for Muslims being perverts!

[@janemzen3694]

Good question. The answer is the need of the wests support to win a political victory over Israel.

[@urbanx3922]

72 virgins plz

[@outandabout4812]

Sound bites on KZbin

[@IvorNovello112]

They build tunnels under Gaza to protect combatants only, then leave the women and children out on the streets. This is what the international community asked for when Israel left Gaza, they could have built the next Singapore, instead they choose death and destruction.

[@MarkFranklin-ws5jf]

Placating to jihadism in major media and higher institutions is beginning to bite society in the arse

[@irelandishsac13]

Because they are cowards.

[@marymorris6897]

I don't think they are smart enough to do that.

[@IvorNovello112]

@@marymorris6897 your right they are not smart enough for that, their brains are fogged with delusions about Jihad and death cult fantasies. What they can do is help Israel turn Gaza city into the next Dubai surrounded by farm lands. Thinking is not their greatest asset but Manual labour they can do

[@minkowski4d]

Yeah, rich Jews escaped to Switzerland and the US back in 1933. And left most of their fellow Jews back in Europe, while they could have supported them with their money. It’s not Nazis fault, if there were so Many Jews there for the Lagers.

[@kevin2028]

Nothing that is said in the conversation moves the needle in either direction, and I can't comprehend why. I am pro-Israel, and my wife is pro-Palestinian. A few weeks ago, I pulled a trump card in our discussion on the topic, which we mostly avoid because it goes nowhere and emotions run high. I showed her a New York Times article from 2009 called Fighter Sees His Paradise In Gaza's Pain. It features an interview with a jihadist where he is asked about the dying children in the conflict, and his answer is the answer no one on the left wants to acknowledge. My wife quickly dismissed the article as biased. They don't want to see that for them, it is glorious when a child dies for Allah. I think the Pro-Palestinian stance is anti-Palestinian if you reason out the stance. It gives Hamas permission to continue to push children, women, and the weak forward to the frontlines of this conflict. I think it is an act of pure evil to try and maximize the civilian deaths of your own people in a war. It's an act of pure evil to build your tunnel under apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals, knowing that when Israel launches a defensive strike, it can't help but inflict civilian casualties. The pro-Palestinan will never, through sheer will, come to the realization that Hamas and those fighters do not share our values, and no matter how hard we project Western values onto them, it doesn't transform the reality of the conflict. Those numbers of civilian dead we hear are because the Jihadists believe they are sending those people to paradise in the name of Allah's glory on earth.

[@Waiting4Him111]

A short trip to the middle east would set your wife straight on who she is supporting. How did she get brainwashed in to thinking the Palestinians are peace loving people ( if you don't mind me asking)?

[@mdhj67]

Sadly true. "the Pro-Palestinian stance is anti-Palestinian"

[@southerncross4956]

Kevin you and Sam Harris have, at least for me, explained the jihadist. I am not ignorant and was already aware of the facts and circumstances talked about here but had not put the pieces of the puzzle together well enough to see the jihadist’s twisted belief system and purpose.

[@ekesandras1481]

Jews have to give up the idea that the political Left in Europe or America is on their side. The Left has moved towards embracing Middle Eastern immigrants as their new voter base. The French author Michel Houellebecq was very right with his novel "Submission".

[@kamelkani4051]

Allah is God name Maybe you should read the Quran And we all gonna be alive again so dying is not worst part The worst part is to die as a disbeliever and go to hell Wanna know what am talking about, read the Quran it's an easy book you can finish it in Days

[@pomegranatepip2482]

“You must tolerate my religious intolerance!. Kinda sums it up hey.

[@MarkFranklin-ws5jf]

That is bullying 101

[@sabo7081]

If Islam is rightfully criticized for its psychopathy, they scream Islamophobia, or hunt down the offending party and murder them! ** In a civilized world, murder is antithetical to peace, cooperation, compassion, and moving human civilization and its potential towards greater heights of a homogeneous world where our similarities are valued more than our differences. ** Tolerance of Islam is humans moving in the wrong direction!

[@MiladaKaiser]

This is exactly right!!!

[@katzino27]

Exactly. The all-too-sizeable far left (and in some cases not so far) has become so tolerant that they tolerate intolerance. I have been saying this for years, and it seems to have only gotten more and more valid. At the same time, a huge push back against Wokeism has begun, and scored a major victory with Trump's re-election (something I'm thrilled about, despite being as happy and relieved as one could be that he lost the last one!) Still, there is a very long road ahead if this problem is ever to be fully under control.

[@minkowski4d]

How tolerant are ultra Orthodox Jews towards Christians? 😅

[@dkstewy]

Palestinians on the wrong side of so many issues: 1) Grand Mufti of Jerusalem supported Hitler 2) 1948 choose war over recognizing Israel 3) 1967 war again, humiliating defeat 4) 1970s/80s choose the IRA and Red Army Faction terrorists over democratic Europe 5) During the Cold War they choose USSR 6) 1940s til today chose violence over 7 different offers of statehood 7) 1990s chose Saddam Hussain’s Iraq over Kuwait 8) Today they choose Iran over other Arab states, China over Taiwan and Russia over Ukraine

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

Well said!

[@cairistionamacleod3154]

Number nine They were the first to kill the pilot after hijacking the German aircraft

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

@@cairistionamacleod3154 That was their thing when they were called “Black September”, hijacking’s Such wonderful contributions to the world….

[@Druffmaul]

When they say "This is OUR land," they mean that as in Arab Muslim land, not Palestinian land. I caught that when I noticed if an interviewer asked them why they didn't mind when the West Bank being occupied by Jordan or Gaza was occupied by Egypt, the answer was, "Why should that bother us? They are our Muslim brothers and sisters."

[@PrometheanRising]

Yep. They are Islamic Supremacists. This is about Islam. They have no separation of church and state in their minds. To fail to be governed by the church is to be in rebellion against Allah in a very real sense to them.

[@MiladaKaiser]

It is not a land problem. It is all just Jihad.

[@stefanbrill4165]

"Palestinian" is only a label that makes sense in the West, going back to the British protectorate, and was a name for the region from Roman times. "Palestinians" are actually just Arabs who claim ownership of this region. The core of this conflict is muslim expansion and conquer, which is hindered and has partly been reversed by Israel.

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

Which interview, can you remember? That’s a useful reference

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

@@Druffmaul The Palestinians revolted against the Hashemite kingdom in Jordan. King Hussein, King Abdullah’s father, thought Arafat and the PLO were a danger and a national security risk to Hashemite Jordan sovereignty.

[@alias177]

Yes, is 100% fundamental Islam, which is what they never will say, same with Afghanistan!

[@philflip1963]

"Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life". John 12:25 So much for Muslims being perverts!

[@sindhyartalpur7313]

Which country has Afghanistan invaded?

[@alias177]

@sindhyartalpur7313 Pakistan. And I was referring to US invading Afghanistan and then saying we were only fighting Taliban terrorists, we would never win doing that, we were fighting ISLAM.

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

@@sindhyartalpur7313 He’s talking about the Taliban, that forbid women any rights or education, total Sharia law. They hid and helped Osama Bin Laden whose Jihadists caused 9/11. Anything more you need to know? We should have left a US army foot print there. We abandoned the women and helpful Afghans that wanted a better life. Both presidents had a hand in that. The military felt we should have kept a presence there.

[@Dominus_Augustus]

We really need to re-adopt the motto: "We don't negotiate with terrorists."

[@teresaamanfu7408]

Who are the terrorists?

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

@@teresaamanfu7408 I think it’s pretty clear. They have always tried to annihilate the Jews. This Israeli government did not “happen in a vacuum” to throw that phrase back at that corrupt U.N. leader Guetterez. The Palestinians turning down offers for a state (listen to Bill Clinton on Arafat turning down Ehud Brarak’s offer) and then always walking away and initiating violence by blowing themselves up and any Jews they can take with them. It was hijackings and murders always. They are jihadists with a mind set we cannot understand as westerners.

[@kamelkani4051]

You are the terrorist you Stinky pig

[@mosesCordovero-uw5vw]

the islamoNazis

[@janemzen3694]

Sam harris is a very smart and well educated man. The sad thing is; there are too many dumb people in the world unable to understand that.

[@MarkFranklin-ws5jf]

Yes, When I moved to a rural island from an urban island, I learned about how ignorance and violence go hand in hand. I also learned to run real fast!Later I learned to stand my ground and won most fist fights, but found most were just barkers not biters, and many wouldn't go past the barking. Jihadists, appear to be biters

[@jyrkiseppala3385]

I recommend a new book from David H. Stone; Antisemitism in the Arab-Israel conflict. Sam Harris is not alone in his thoughts, but many are still asleep. Time to wake up to reality!

[@starlite556]

Only ALMIGHTY GOD, can wake them up.

[@hedonismbot3274]

The things people do for 72 goats.

[@Acediscoface]

Or grapes.

[@hedonismbot3274]

@Acediscoface ali getting graped in the mouth. 😁

[@MrPati0]

Correction: Underage goats.

[@MarkFranklin-ws5jf]

Many would settle with 33 1/3 milfs!

[@melcomc19]

Billy goats.

[@MarkMclennon]

u have to be very harsh with these people it’s the only thing they understand

[@MarkFranklin-ws5jf]

Yes! Being nice is weakness

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

@@MarkFranklin-ws5jf we bombed Dresden to end WW2 in Germany. No social media damning America for that bombing because if we hadn’t done it we would be living under the Third Reich. Anyone seeing a similarity here.

[@Anne_W64]

I'm going to share this conversation out. I wish more people would understand what he's saying here. Thank you Rabbi Weinstein.

[@marikaoconnor5058]

Do we also need to ask how the West has contributed to a cult which can see nothing more desirable than dying for their cause?

[@janemzen3694]

Good idea.

[@MarkFranklin-ws5jf]

I liked Sams use of the term bullying by the jihadists. I've encountered bullying my entire life and its no fun. A different set of race relations from another part of the world but its most often subtle but can lead to threats of violence at the drop of a hat

[@PrometheanRising]

Do these anthropologists also fail to understand that the average fundamentalist Christian is also substantially motivated by concern for the next life? As a recovering Christian fundamentalist, I find the Islamic mentality difficult to fathom because it is so insane, but i do understand at least some of the steps that get there.

[@gavriloprincip11]

evryone forgets the term "islamaphobe" was coined by the Iotala's propaganda wing of the revolutionary guard in the 70s (kind of like how the Colombo crime family started the Italian anti defamation League during the US congressional Mafia hearings)

[@dovgoldstein3755]

Thanks Sam

[@wegder]

Many decades ago I thought there could be a peace plan with the Palestinians, then I realized that is impossible with Hamas. I'm definitely islamophobic

[@djimiwreybigsby5263]

I'm hamas-phobic

[@mboerefyn2512]

Thanks! I am at a loss as to how Hamas gained so much sympathy. I would love to hear a podcast go thru the decades to help non-Jewish people understand how Hamas a terrorist group gained world sympathy thru propaganda. I have explained to many people here in Canada 🇨🇦 the history and all of the concessions Israel has made. All the wars, all the terrorism, and the history of the land going back to Judaea. Israel definitely need to step up it’s game propaganda wise. Actually even just getting the truth out it doesn’t have to be like the Hamas lies. If people truly understood what Hamas is and the never ending war with Palestine which it’s own state despite never having one ever in history. Jewish people have been eliminated in pretty much all Arab countries, but 2 million arabs live in Israel. A genocide because 25,000 civilians died, but the population in 2024 is increasing in Gaza. Wasn’t the population in Gaza 57,000 people when Egypt had control of it? Keep up the good fight some of us are listening.

[@shaifarber4243]

No, not 57,000 more like 3/400,000 people when Gaza was conquered in the 6 day war.

[@yehuditcollins6783]

Unfortunately when we try to explain the history of this war, we're preaching to the choir. There's them as don't want to hear.

[@bernardquasaar1254]

This is the clearest most direct explanation of what's been going on. If only the world had this much clarity about the situation

[@philflip1963]

"Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life". John 12:25 So much for Muslims being perverts!

[@mangaranwow2543]

Lots of people are afraid to speak out on what Islam stands for. It takes lots of courage.

[@IvorNovello112]

@@bernardquasaar1254 the world is so under informed, they think that there was a country called Palestine before. Israel is losing the information war, also the conflict is too complicated for your average Joe to understand.

[@joe18750]

Many people have made this observation going back 10, 15, 20 years. Mark Steyn, Charles Krauthammer, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved and Lawrence Wright to name a few.

[@WillJ5112]

It is odd how Hamas is rarely criticised by those in the West who rightly condemn the extent of the bombing of Gaza.Why do they not call for the Hamas leadership to accept the existence of Israel and agree to a deal that will stop the further killings of women and children in that narrow strip of land which they have ruled for over a decade and a half without any further democratic election.Tragically they are not expected to by supporters of an independent Palestine many of whom seem content to allow them to hold onto the hostages and continue the conflict.

[@ChromeKiddo]

No one calls it like Sam. What clear and correct logic...

[@marieparker3822]

In Britain, MI5, our internal security service, has 40,000 British Muslims on their watch list.

[@dianehghzn7670]

Oohh my god “Really “???????

[@paulineverriere8054]

@@dianehghzn7670suggest deport

[@johnkumeu811]

Sad but probably true

[@rstafford9191]

@@johnkumeu811 very true, but probably underestimated. we now have twice our british army in recent immigrants who are all male men in superb health and fitness and are all from muslim countries, and I stress all

[@NatureBoy-b2h]

Borders matter. You will lose your national identity if you don’t GET THEM OUT !!!!

[@TheModerateMillenial]

Islam needs a reformation. I’ve been saying it for years. Judaism had a reformation from biblical to rabbinical Judaism. Christianity was a reformation of Judaism. Islam needs its own reformation.

[@gazwa-e-islam2716]

Shit Jinx Pong understood islam and reformed it completely, in Xinjiang. 😁

[@cyberpunkalphamale]

Islam had its reformation 200 years before Christianity. Compare Luther to Ibn Taymiyyah

[@karendowden697]

It cannot be reformed or it will be changed. It is a hardcore supremist ideology where "Muslims are the best of peoples" and the doctrine teaches hate of infidels with Jews at the top of the list. Jihadis are following the koran, hadith etc. to the letter.

[@gazwa-e-islam2716]

@@cyberpunkalphamale Reformation of islam? Surely you mean that the Operations Manual of War & Peace was edited to make it even more fearsome & barbaric ?

[@adamzain6770]

Jihadis know what the Quran says. You can’t reform Islam if you leave the Quran intact. And the Quran is supposed to be the perfect word of god, explicitly demanding a literal reading, so how could moderate Muslims reform it?

[@shawnpatton3795]

Peace is impossible when people decide that it’s not possible.

[@paraweir]

It's a sin in Islam to sin... EXCEPT if its to support Islam or if it brings Islam into disrepute. That means, if you look at it logically, it's ALWAYS allright to lie!!! This is confirmed in the Quran, where this law/edict is confirmed.

[@BanonOmus]

I had no idea Sam Harris spoke so openly about this

[@justgivemethetruth]

I totally agree with Sam Harris, and so does history. If Americans would just listen to Sam, those who are civilized would finally understand, and those who are hardcore Muslims would be outed.

[@alaakela]

Sam read their book. This is not rocket science. READ THEIR BOOKS. IT'S ALL IN THERE.

[@HuzonFurst]

RIGHT ON, SAM!! I've been following you since you first appeared in San Diego decades ago and while practicing meditation didn't really work for me, you have become one of our better spokespersons for reason and common sense, so please continue for everyone's sake!

[@karendowden697]

It is not right wing bigotry and intolerance. Com e on.....

[@nicodemus1010]

just a set of ideas... and ideas have NO rights I teach in Brussels, 17 years now.. the escalation is real

[@Marc-o4x]

Brussels is lost. So is Amsterdam and the rest of Europe.

[@nicodemus1010]

@@Marc-o4x This is my fear. when I started I was young, educated, armed wit with knowledge produced by the sommation of the greco-judean-christian culture elevated by the aufklarung. Gradually I saw the fanatiscism to which we have no defense in the minds of 18 year old youth's. They do not so see the cage, they do not see the 1400 old programming that forces them into this manichistic, low resolution worldview. I tried, soo many years and sometimes I could plant the seed of critical thinking of which seneca speaks. every so often it came to fruition. Alas most did not respond well and continued on their road of haram and halal, secretly dispising and refuting reason. Fot those I have saved from this monstrous ideology, I hope they pass it to their children. I'm tired.

[@lourencoalmeida]

I don't think the radicals are the problem. It's Islam itself. Those you call "moderates" still want a world wide caliphate in the end, made by force when necessary, and rightfuly so because that's what their founder told them to do and what he actually started doing!

[@lrj_oneill_]

“Military victory without apology” like Ghengis Khan would say! 👏

[@richd9683]

Fuck with the bull, get the horns.

[@lozfromozlyons4749]

They have a saying “we love death like you love life”

[@billsawyer7796]

Taqiyya (Arabic: تقیّة‎) is an Islamic concept that refers to the practice of concealing or disguising one’s faith, beliefs, or religious practices in situations where expressing them could lead to harm, persecution, or danger. The term is most commonly associated with Shia Islam, though it has also been discussed in various Sunni contexts.

[@craigefc]

Of course they knew who they were killing. Many of them had worked there. They also knew the music festival was a peace festival. Lets get it right.

[@davidpayne8413]

Not true many including myself know and appreciate that many Muslims actually believe what they are taught

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

@@davidpayne8413 you appreciate the jihadist mindset???? Or peaceful Islam. Your point is not so clear.

[@ren5715]

It has to come from them..and that is why i give utmost support to Dahlia Ziada from Egypt Ayaan Hirsi Ali Loui ahmed from Sweden Mossab Louy Al Shareef Israel Nomani Rawan Osman Yasmine Mohammad Harris sultan These people really understand the danger of Radical Islam..and that this behavior MUST BE STOPPED. We need to support these Muslims and ex Muslims to grow in number to have the courage to put an end to this type of thinking. For everyone's sake The world The west The muslims themselves Children who are brane**..wshd etc Ultimately this is about right and wrong...less about religion and more about integrity. Which side of the moral compass do you stand on??

[@YenneY01]

Brain washed.

[@MattCofer-sw2if]

don't forget Nabeel Qureshi.

[@ren5715]

Will look him up. Thanks Amjad taha Harris sultan in Oz

[@sumralltt]

Land for Peace didn't work - Time to take the land back!

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

Every time the Palestinians were offered a state they not only walked away they start killing Israelis. I am not a fan of the current Israeli government but to use that insensitive Gutierrez comment he made the day after October 7th, “Things do not happen in a vacuum”. Israelis got tired of offering statehood and getting blown up in return. It’s clear most Palestinians want all of Israel gone. While Israel continues to advance both medical and technological research what do the Palestinians contribute to the world???

[@justincase7848]

What i love is this mans lack of emotion. He is genuinely gentle, thoughtful, and analytical, without getting caight up by passion.

[@joncygardner]

I don't believe this. I think they hope so. But when they want to fight , they actually demonstrate that they are cowards. What I think is that they push others to die like the civilian population, but not them.

[@brettansley8600]

This is a disappointingly vapid argument from such a strong intellectual.

[@MrShyAlter]

Rabbi, I and many others recognize Sam Harris' points of view and agree with many. But please keep in mind that you're cherry picking here. Harris is an avowed atheist. And believes that religiosity, such as the one you're probably espousing, is in general the source of many human conflicts. This one included. That said, Islam as it is practices by Hamas (and all other Iran proxies), is especially pernicious in this context.

[@Fusion-dl3ld]

as a ex muslim , i know what u r talking about

[@johnlange8729]

Face it, NEITHER side really wants to negotiate.

[@marlow769]

If you’re a sheep and you can’t get your head around the ideology of the wolf, you will alway be his prey. This, “thank god we can’t think like a jihadi” is the sheep talking to the flock…or the future food of the wolf.

[@simonetartocchi6968]

I've studied antisemitism, and I've noticed that Islam took its racism much more from Russian and Soviet antisemitism than from Nazism.

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

Actually both, but good point. It was the Russians that started the lie that Zionism is racism

[@cyberpunkalphamale]

4:55 Amar Taqi's Podcast - Hamas Leader Abroad Khaled Mashal: 'We Reject The Two-State Solution; October 7 Proved That Liberating Palestine From The River To The Sea Is Realistic And Has Already Begun'

[@donwinston]

Well you are assuming Palestinians are Hamas and Palestinians are Gihadists. C'mon. It is the other way around. Hamas are Palestinians, Some Gihadists are Palestinians. It is NOT THE SAME THING! Please. Stop it.

[@DAPS-bl7ez]

the fools don't realise that there is no 'paradise', it's just stories they have been told for years. They are living a lie!

[@IronIck45]

Dont tell our christian neighbours...

[@alnon6304]

They know that. Is only an excuse to kill. Very sick.

[@MsDamosmum]

How did the belief that Isreal is an apartheid state that have committed genocide for decades originate? Until that myth is eroded this conversation isn’t going to change anything. It may change a few minds but on the whole, so long as the genocide myth continues, I don’t think anything much will change!

[@csansolo]

Still, he is a democrat.

[@NatureBoy-b2h]

Really????? How can that be?

[@sebastiannin4655]

The support for "Palestine" (Hamas) of so many people makes me lose hope in humanity. We are too dumb and innocent.

[@tekkertruth1256]

Yeah sure because a 3yr old child knows what a Hamas is let alone a 2,000 pound Israeli bomb! As far as I’m concerned you’re not a man, and don’t have a penis.

[@danielreiss-cy4zr]

How come Aryeh Weinstein never noticed that?

[@HeathenHammer80]

Sam is so good on Islam. I wish everyone understood the nature of the problem like he does.

[@davidloveday8473]

You need to correct your thumbaiil title. Sam Harris is talking specifically about jihadist terrorists (and not only Palestinian ones, given his references to IS). He is not talking about Palestinians generally. Nor is he talking about Muslims generally. Obviiously the vast majority of Palestinians are not jihadist terrorists. Your title wrongly suggests they are. Labelling an entire people as terrorists is derogatory and not likely to end the cycle of violence. I say this as someone who utterly condemns the horrific and completely unjustifiable atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7.

[@muttput]

show me one palestinian that was unhappy or spoke out against the attacks on Oct 7th

[@YenneY01]

Hamas.gets its recruits from Gaza. Gazans now shout how much they hate Hamas. But they really hate jews more!

[@the_koo3151]

Naw, but the majority of them support it

[@davidloveday8473]

​@@the_koo3151your evidence? Or are you just happy to go with your prejudices?

[@muttput]

@@davidloveday8473 prove him wrong. show evidence that a resident of gaza denounced the attack or was shocked by the brutality

[@berniefynn6623]

never BEEN an arab palestine, this was invented in 1967 by the muslims,since 135 A.D, Palestine from Israel, was administered by ROME and then the ottomans.

[@nefaristo]

At least it was 1964 when plo was founded... I've tried to find the very first mention of Palestine in the modern sense, it's probably in the 60s. Which I shorten up with the sentence "the Palestinians are younger than the Beatles" (b. 1960). Maybe one day I'll find an older mention and have to replace them with the Platters (b 1953)😏

[@berniefynn6623]

@@nefaristo "The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years". The preceding declarations by Arab politicians have been done before 1967, as they had not the slightest knowledge of the existence of any Palestinian people. How and when did they change their mind and decided that such people existed? When the State of Israel was reborn in 1948 c.e., the "Palestinians" did not exist yet, the Arabs had still not discovered that "ancient" people. They were too busy with the purpose of annihilating the new Sovereign State and did not intend to create any Palestinian entity, but only to distribute the land among the already existing Arab states. They were defeated. They attempted again to destroy Israel in 1967, and were humiliated in only six days, in which they lost the lands that they had usurped in 1948. In those 19 years of Arab occupation of Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip, neither Jordan nor Egypt suggested to create a "Palestinian" state, since the still non-existing Palestinians would have never claimed their alleged right to have their own state... Paradoxically, during the British Mandate, it was not any Arab group but the Jews that were known as "Palestinians"! What other Arabs declared after the Six-Day War: "There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel". - Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

[@berniefynn6623]

@@nefaristo Besides them, many Arab sources confirm the fact that the Holy Land was still Jewish by population and culture in spite of the Diaspora: ·In 985 c.e. the Arab writer Muqaddasi complained that in Jerusalem the large majority of the population were Jewish, and said that "the mosque is empty of worshippers..." . ·Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable Arab historians, in 1377 c.e. wrote: "Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel extended over 1400 years... It was the Jews who implanted the culture and customs of the permanent settlement". After 300 years of Arab rule in the Holy Land, Ibn Khaldun attested that Jewish culture and traditions were still dominant. By that time there was still no evidence of "Palestinian" roots or culture . ·The historian James Parker wrote: "During the first century after the Arab conquest [670-740 c.e.], the caliph and governors of Syria and the [Holy] Land ruled entirely over Christian and Jewish subjects. Apart from the Bedouin in the earliest days, the only Arabs west of the Jordan were the garrisons". Even though the Arabs ruled the Land from 640 c.e. to 1099 c.e., they never became the majority of the population. Most of the inhabitants were Christians (Assyrian and Armenian) and Jews. If the historic documents, comments written by eyewitnesses and declarations by the most authoritative Arab scholars are still not enough, let us quote the most important source for muslim Arabs: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.". - Qur'an 17:104 -

[@berniefynn6623]

@@nefaristo Besides them, many Arab sources confirm the fact that the Holy Land was still Jewish by population and culture in spite of the Diaspora: ·In 985 c.e. the Arab writer Muqaddasi complained that in Jerusalem the large majority of the population were Jewish, and said that "the mosque is empty of worshippers..." . ·Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable Arab historians, in 1377 c.e. wrote: "Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel extended over 1400 years... It was the Jews who implanted the culture and customs of the permanent settlement". After 300 years of Arab rule in the Holy Land, Ibn Khaldun attested that Jewish culture and traditions were still dominant. By that time there was still no evidence of "Palestinian" roots or culture . ·The historian James Parker wrote: "During the first century after the Arab conquest [670-740 c.e.], the caliph and governors of Syria and the [Holy] Land ruled entirely over Christian and Jewish subjects. Apart from the Bedouin in the earliest days, the only Arabs west of the Jordan were the garrisons". Even though the Arabs ruled the Land from 640 c.e. to 1099 c.e., they never became the majority of the population. Most of the inhabitants were Christians (Assyrian and Armenian) and Jews. If the historic documents, comments written by eyewitnesses and declarations by the most authoritative Arab scholars are still not enough, let us quote the most important source for muslim Arabs: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.". - Qur'an 17:104 -

[@Alex-g4h9p]

Israel has been disobeying the ICJ & the UN that allowed Israel to exist such as 14 international law, +61 UNSC resolutions including 242, 338, right of return to the Palestinian refugees & ceasefire recently, not to mention the ones vetoed by the US.

[@donmadziva1689]

It takes a special person to misunderstand Sam.

[@mrsteve555]

one man reads about jihad and sees no issue, another man goes after the things of babylon and reads babylonian talmud and they also see no issue... people choose their blindness and its shocking how cultish religion becomes when morality is replaced with law.

[@pmarreck]

It's a death cult. Speaking as someone who used to take his Catholicism very seriously (wait for it...), I don't think many of my Jewish friends ("moderate" Judaism, bless its heart, and perhaps in fact almost all Judaism, is about debating beliefs, not unquestioningly accepting them) understand (at least to the extent I do) what it's like to even possess unquestionable beliefs. So as I learned about Islam, and then realized that these folks take their faith even more seriously than I used to take Catholicism, I must tell you: Just like the early Christians in Rome, they WILL DIE for these beliefs. And it is critical to extract as many as you can, somehow, from the death cults of the world. Love is the way.

[@fotodeci]

So sad. What a waste of lives and souls. They need deliverance.

[@philflip1963]

"Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life". John 12:25 So much for Muslims being perverts!

[@dianehghzn7670]

They think their getting deliverence so what are you worried about they are a death cult they love death more than life - i wonder why in gods name they have kids at all how crazy ????!!! It makes no sence at all its complete and utter nonsense its more of a mental illness i think 🥲🥲🥲

[@Kenneth-p1b]

Palestine is an area in the land between the River Nile and the Euphrates River, " for all the land that you seest,..to thee shall l give it, and to thy seed forever." Genesis 13: 14-17

[@mogglie]

Complexity enters when dreaming of becoming a martyr you need a war to get to heaven. They need a murderer by definition. If you dream of being a martyr. You have to find a murderer. . If you have a god that tells you. “The way to get to heaven is to go out and create someone else as a murderer.” The doctrine is messed up.

[@draganban]

The theory seems solid to me. Interesting that last comment about an extreme right-wing backlash - that's what's happened in Israel, the rise of an expansionist ideology based on military conquest, with critics being silenced in mainstream media. I find this as distasteful as jihad, and it's depressing that a nation with such talents can turn so violent and ruthless.

[@ianjones3568]

You cannot have Islam separated from the 'ism' it's just the pure interpretation. Harris should know this.

[@everythingandmore5537]

Khaled Meshaal, a leader of Hamas, has emphasized resistance against what he views as occupation rather than explicitly targeting civilians based on ethnicity. His statements often support armed resistance but have also included openness to truces under certain conditions. While Hamas’s original charter was widely seen as anti-Semitic, their 2017 update reframed their stance as opposition to the Israeli state rather than to Jews as a people. Interpretations of Meshaal's views vary, with his rhetoric often reflecting complex political and ideological positions within the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

The problem is when they say occupation they mean ALL of Israel

[@everythingandmore5537]

@dr.lebowitzoffice3076 All of Israel is occupation until a deal can be struck between both parties. Israel has not yet drawn its borders and Palestinians have not drawn their borders.

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

@@everythingandmore5537I think you misunderstood me. They want NO existence of an Israel

[@bluaska]

Aha so now they only opposed the Jewish STATE, not the Jews as a people. We saw on October 7 what they are ready to do to the Jewish people and if not for the Jewish state, there would be no end to their rape, pillage and slaughter.

[@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci]

If they oppose the very existence of the state of Israel, that makes them genocidal.

[@hrvad]

Despite everything that I think is wrong with Sam Harris these days (TDS, Covid crisis fanboy), his understanding of this issue was and is PERFECT. And he's held this belief for at least a decade or two.

[@thehoogard]

He's been against trump from the start. His position hasn't changed, you have.

[@hotrodandrube9119]

Covid is real. A million people in the US died after a moronic disbanding of the pandemic response team.

[@La0bouchere]

His argumentation and conclusions about those other issues are also "PERFECT". The only reason they don't seem right is due to your own bias.

[@timorean320]

Sure, we all can relate to it. Im willing to die for what I believe in, but I am not willing to kill others for it.

[@avoidable69]

link the original video

[@shawnpatton3795]

Wouldn’t we say the same thing about confederate slave owners, natzis, or Japanese and German citizens post WWII?!

[@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci]

No.

[@shawnpatton3795]

@@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci why not?

[@johnholland1308]

Sam Harris’s clear thinking always amazes me. “If liberals cannot guard our boarders then fascists will,” that is what is happening and liberals don’t get it.

[@danielmcneil3004]

There is a difference between Palestinians and Jihadists. Your subject line is misleading. 😖

[@lisawise9849]

🇮🇱❤️🇺🇸🇮🇱❤️🇺🇸

[@fotoviano]

The title implicitly equates Palestinians and Hamas jihadists. So I was expecting some new insight and heard what we mostly all already know (bait and switch).

[@davehughes8212]

The clearest explanation of the real problem I've heard and his comments about the UK (where I am) are exactly right. Our political "right wing" has never been so extreme and is gathering support from ordinary people.

[@FlytoColombia]

That's not entirely true. In order to be fascist, you need a massive following, and power. The Far Right is actually ostracized. The right has been able to stick to Conservatism, in a moderate sphere. The Far Left have power, and they have a massive following. If I asked you to name me a prominent Centre Leftist, who doesn't have any Socialist, Marxist or Communist ideals, you would struggle to answer me.

[@i.karlhood3825]

Don’t you mean “far left”? Present reality does not validate your claim.

[@longandshort6639]

Untrue. The left has a huge blind spot when it comes to Islamic jihadi terrorism.

[@josele844]

@@i.karlhood3825everyone that reduces human struggle to socioeconomic status, believes in equality of outcome, reduces human interaction to opressors/opressed, wants to restrict freedom of speech in media they do not control and introduce blasphemy laws. All this is far left and they are not far from power, msm and academia. This IS the reality.

[@warneraudio]

What about the majority of people who aren’t jihadists? Is Israel going to make those people whole after destroying their homes?

[@Randomest_Stories]

I hope Sam Harris is ok. Has he left USA now that Trump is back? His TDS must be torturing him right now.

[@tetkun80]

i dont know how naive people can be and im not saying about the muslim.

[@iwitness8622]

This is not new! 19We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. Just as Adam blamed Eve for giving it to him and Eve blamed Satan for deceiving her so also those under the control of the evil one blame another for what they did. Similarly Cain rejected responsibility for Abel for envy of Abel's offering.

[@hueyjmedina0]

You can't argue with these people. They will argue on one hand that hamas is a resistance group and say its a mossad op to make the Palestinians look bad. Never ask them about the hospital bombing mid october last year btw

[@נחמןגנץ]

Amazing, exactly 100% true

[@jthakurdin]

Misleading title. Not all Palestinians are Jihadists.

[@YenneY01]

Looking the other way is complicity.

[@judgedayan9934]

For the atheist, Sam Harris, his analysis is a huge nuance that he has discovered and exposed. To any Jew knowledgeable of Torah, this analysis is elementary stuff known for 3000 years.

[@rclaws3230]

People who sincerely believe they are rational have lost the perspective to understand the limits of their logic and understanding.

[@judgedayan9934]

@@rclaws3230 An atheist has no reason or motivation to be humble.

[@TimmyBig888]

It doesn’t forgive genocide

[@AndiWard]

I was agreeing with him until the last few words when he used the word right wing bigotry and fascists.

[@i.karlhood3825]

Except if he is referring to the jihadists.

[@AndiWard]

@@i.karlhood3825 He said if the liberal don't stop it, then the right wing fascists and bigots will.

[@mattwhite399]

It’s a warning to the left to govern responsibly, not an indictment of the right. If the left won’t enforce borders, Facists will. Flipping it around, you might say something like, “If the right won’t control corporate overreach, Communists will.” Also, Sam may have said the word “bigotry” at some point, but I didn’t hear it in the referenced section of the video.

[@AndiWard]

@@mattwhite399 Or you could say, if the main parties don't, normal people will vote in a party that will.

[@La0bouchere]

@@AndiWard No, he meant that if countries keep importing jihadists, and fascist parties are the only ones offering a solution, they'll win. He didn't mean that anyone on the right is a fascist.

[@vance9460]

I've never regained any respect for.Ben Affleck, after that outrageous embarrassing defense of muslims.

[@pedrosanchezgonzalez8693]

Yes as you said before son or later main religions should drop the belief in nonsense

[@demoscratos4577]

I say this is a person which with a Jewish lineage to my father. It’s ironic the hostility towards Palestinians because I can assure you that the Palestinians or what we know as a Palestinians are actually descendants of the Jews that were there 3000 years ago and more genetically connected to the Jews That were 3000 years ago in comparison to the Jewish people who came from Europe , who are already mixed mix with European. What do you like it or not you guys are brothers from the same mother and father. You guys should have one state and live in peace. You cannot expect for the people who have been there for of years to get up and leave. That is not right I hope you guys find peace and brotherhood , as that is what you are. brothers.

[@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci]

For “descendants of Jews”, why are the constantly killing them, trying to kill them, or talking about killing them? They are not descendants of Jews; that’s just a new porkpie they’ve come up with. The Jewish people have no history of ever submitting to mass conversion.

[@leeuniverse]

Sam Harris finally saying something "sensible" again....? At least he get's something Right, even though most of his Leftist views and Trump Derangement are massively wrong.

[@dyobodiu]

Since we are here, for a great musical experience I suggest The Pixies - Hey. It will change the whole perspective on this progressive - alternative - punk music universe. Trusssst me!

[@hrishikeshkulkarni8955]

wow, really a fresh insight here. thanks

[@philflip1963]

"Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life". John 12:25 So much for Muslims being perverts!

[@rodkoehler]

When you're a poor group fighting the rich group with all the technology, you fight back in a way you can afford.

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

well he put it very well.

[@philflip1963]

"Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life". John 12:25 So much for Muslims being perverts!

[@BigRalphSmith]

Sam Harris impresses me. Whether that's a result of logic or emotionally or whatever, that is definitely the case. He's a well spoken person that seems to think deeply about his perspective and the perspectives of others.

[@simplethoughtz]

It is downright disheartening to watch one of the most respected intellectuals, notorious for his pursuit of objectivity, lecturing on a topic he clearly has little to no factual knowledge about, basing all aspects of his rationale on one-sided literature, bland assumptions and group identity rhetoric.😮🙁

[@markdunham744]

Religions are so wonderful. All fighting each other in the name of god. If people could step away and realize we’re all in the same boat, maybe we could learn to row together.

[@Rope_Adope]

Broken clock

[@zetaepsilondelta545]

It's a terrible paradox: Jews need to become vegetarians to please the Buddha Moshiach (Allah)... and that is what will switch off all the Muslim droids. i've just got this feeling in my bones that there's no other way around it. Mazel Tov!

[@nodgene]

There's a tendency for religious apologists to forget that all religions are like this. Shin Bet intercepted a plot by religious ultrazionists to blow up the dome of the rock, in the hope of triggering the third world war, ushering in the messiah. During the Troubles the PIRA's hunger strikers knew that for the underdog, they could win by dying, as it would help unify public opinion against the British. Lane Craig's sort of Christian apologetics says that if a child dies, because they are innocent they go to heaven (doesn't say this anywhere in the bible but okay), and thus the command to commit genocide in the old testament wronged ONLY the Israeli [sic] soldiers ordered to kill all Caananites. During the Middle Ages they would submerge alleged witches, and say oh if she drowns she's innocent and goes to heaven! During the Albigensian crusade, the priest leading the army said they put 20,000 men women and children to the sword, and "Kill them all; God will know His own". So yeah, Christians, Muslims, Jews, have been literally praying for the end of the world for thousands of years and killing innocent people because of a sincere belief that innocent people go to heaven. Don't pretend otherwise! It's not just Muslims!

[@dr.lebowitzoffice3076]

@@nodgene any religious zealots are dangerous in any religion. My father’s first cousin was Justice Minister of Israel in the 1990’s and he told me the ultra Orthodox Jews will kill us from within.