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[@Joseph125]

Imagine this with the original companion rules. Truly, magic is a perfectly-balanced game.

[@jordomcgordo291]

Yeah, exceptionally great design there MaRo!

[@KarakuriKing44]

When everyone is broken..... no one is

[@ExplosiveFetus]

At least it ends up somewhat balanced eventually... after standard gets extremely skewed for a few months... and everyone shovels money at Wizards to buy the cards...

[@siegfriedleher4662]

Would you say it's a perfectly balanced game with no exploits?

[@Chrizzi01]

@@siegfriedleher4662 only if i can sip my cup of Yorkshire Tea while doing so.

[@jeffreymascarenhas8623]

"We need to find uro and oko". Proceeds to draw them both immediately after

[@suppressedanarchy2626]

In the same order

[@danielcarrillo4800]

@@suppressedanarchy2626 magic is easy, you just draw what you want

[@thomassmith7717]

CGB earlier, “Omnath is Oko levels powerful....’ CGB later on, “ I forgot, Omnath is just an elk...’

[@qwerty1271780]

Oh, thank goodness for this. I’ve been a 3/3 elk since oko was banned, and I needed someone to play him again to change back.

[@GranMaese]

42:40 "Nobody has ever actually played this format before, EVER" That includes MTG's R&D team, if you know what I mean.

[@nethandelwampa116]

Truly humorous observation lol

[@Belinera]

Jesus Christ, I'm halfway through the second game and this is already the best Arena content I've ever seen. The nonsensometer actually exploded.

[@DanyTLaw]

It was definitly super fun!

[@johnc4948]

Agreed

[@perezortegavalentin9343]

I never got to play with Oko I looked at the card and thought: "Why is this banned? It doesn't seem that strong" Now I get it

[@LeRobb3]

Same reaction we all had my friend

[@derpyderperson2912]

Me and my cousin was playing vintage (proxy decks) when Oko was spoiled and nearly every game came down to who got Oko on board first. Possibly one of the dumbest cards ever made.

[@Theoszombie]

@@LeRobb3 speak for yourself. As soon as he was spoiled my roommate and I knew he was busted and that was before they revealed what food even does.

[@jimharris5320]

You get an elk, and YOU get and elk...!

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

It's not broken, people just whine about control cards. Now bare in mind, I only play modern and legacy, and they're fine imo.

[@DanyTLaw]

Just watching this video is as fun as playing in it! Your reaction on my nut draws are on point! I had so much fun and looking forward to the next battle for the elk trophy!

[@Abyzdecannes]

They really thought about Oko, Fires, Once Upon a Time, Uro and Omnath being in the same deck, and were like "Yeah this is fine"

[@readmylipsmum1079]

To be fair fires doesn't work with omnath and uro. But my god oko with omnath and uro is a horrifying nightmare

[@leolafortune1255]

They expected players to fight broken with broken. Turns out all the broken works well together.

[@Abyzdecannes]

@@leolafortune1255 Well everything broken but Cat oven was used in UGX so unless they wanted everyone to play the exact same color idk

[@Abyzdecannes]

@@silverdeathgamer2907 That's what I said, everything broke,n BUT cat oven was UG

[@etienevanrensburg272]

They literally didn't though. They have stated that sets are not designed with previous sets or coming sets in mind at all.

[@Joseph125]

Then: bolt the bird Now: elk the kenny

[@miketate3445]

Oh my God! They elked Kenny!

[@CenJohan]

This entire experience can be summed up by a man in front of a dumpster fire screaming "As Garfield intended!"

[@jarenherald1439]

Fires is honestly kind of a liability in the omnath deck

[@exxonrcg]

I've always thought the downside of fires made it fair enough to be not banned

[@ridstock9663]

Yea could have built a much better deck with fires, Oko, Uro and Shark Typhoon are good fits but you want big creatures for your 2 spells and ways to find them stuff like Seagate Restoration and Turntimber Symbiosis feel like they were made for that deck.

[@roberteriksen6434]

@@exxonrcg Someone played alot of Fires huh

[@paulcrisafi4415]

That’s why bounce effects exist. You can run Shepard in white, and be a degenerate.

[@alessandropasseri6055]

Guys, fires is absolutely broken! A card that isn't a tempo loss on turn 4 and on turn 5 gives you 10 mana worth of spells and 5 mana for activated ability's is ridiculous Also let's not forget at 7 mana you could play mardu and abzan ultimatum on the same turn.. And I don't even wanna get started with the Orion+prince bullshit..

[@aliertufekci1993]

"Just trying to decide now if I actually wanna kill an Ugin or an Oko. What's worse?" This says it all.

[@MrEvanBacon]

you know what's hilarious about you elking Kenrith? that's actually what happened in the lore.... see the card: "Kenrith's Transformation"

[@futurellama127]

Just missed Field of the Dead rotating too. Imagine if that was still around with Omnath.

[@FlopGaze]

Veil of summer and agent too :D

[@barney3444]

And growth spiral. Yuck

[@dudeofvalor9294]

And Aboreal Grazer to get you there that turn earlier.

[@barney3444]

And who could forget 3feri

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

@@OsvaldoChannel1 Nah agent on curve is not that bad if it can't be flickered, the problem is winota or Lukka and Yorion make it oppressive and if 3 cards need to be banned to keep another card in the format it needs to go.

[@paulmdasilva2479]

I'm pretty new to magic so I have never played against Oko and only heard legends about this unicorn of a planeswalker. After seeing Oko in action... good grief that card is ridiculous lol. Such a hilarious look into what standard could have been. Great video! Btw awesome Fallout shirt!

[@readmylipsmum1079]

I forgot how dumb even the simple synergy of oko and goose is. This is honestly horrifying to watch

[@frankster666metal]

Missing out some 'Little' Teferi action here.

[@malthelauritsen7621]

The worst thing about this is, that the three most broken cards, Uro, Omnath and Oko easily fits in the same deck Edit: And Once Upon a Time

[@Frommerman]

You forgot the actual most broken card, Once Upon a Time. Every time they've printed free spells it's bit them in the ass, but they can't let it go can they?

[@malthelauritsen7621]

@@Frommerman Good point

[@steffanstelzer3071]

what's actually funny is the fact that oko is indeed stronger than kenny, because he steels his crown. literally!

[@janosfakasz5133]

also, turning kenrith into an elk with oko is probably the most lore-friendly move anyone can take.

[@cooliosntsprtc]

Now I see why all my friends started quitting magic.

[@Dabagel100]

I started with war of the spark so all of this is fine to me lol all the broken xd

[@literallysomedudeliterally9470]

@@Dabagel100 Yeah, there's a big perception difference of the state of the game between newer and older players. I saw people saying 34% of the upcoming Historic tournament being Omnath didn't seem that bad. Playing against the same deck every third game doesn't seem like a bad meta... smdh...

[@cooliosntsprtc]

@@Dabagel100 I technically started with guilds but I played the Magic 2015 game back in the day where Brimaz and Leonin warleader were the best cards lol. I don't hate playing with powerful cards though. My favorite paper format is modern but it just feels bad when they make cards like Oko and Uro that are just better than all the modern cards. What's the point of nonrotating formats if I can just play a standard deck and sweep the event?

[@literallysomedudeliterally9470]

@@cooliosntsprtc Are they even really "non-rotating" when the new cards are just better and you have to acquire the new cards to stay relevant? I don't think so

[@ryego3]

That's why you play commander

[@OksanaSean]

Recently everyone’s complained about Uro, Omnath, and Lotus Cobra being a problem (and they can be IMO). However, this video was a great reminder of how unbelievably toxic Oko was. Thanks CGB and Danny for reminding us how bad it could have been. Almost, makes me want to give Omnath a hug and tell him it’s okay... almost :) Great video guys!!!

[@jojodelacroix]

Never seen anyone complain about Lotus Cobra? It is pretty balanced if you don't have Omnath and Uro beside it.

[@Ultr4l0f]

European here. I usualy watch a bit of CGB as I go to bed. Today was an early uoload. Is this a aign I should go to bed already?

[@AJKiesel]

It's 9:40pm, yes you should!

[@thedudenessism]

same here...was confused

[@malthelauritsen7621]

No, cause the video is longer. PS. I do the same

[@P.J.Thompson]

Ahah i do the same.. something about his voice makes me sleepy (in a good way)

[@jordanmason4024]

Early upload? This was a late upload.

[@benjaminschomburg7746]

you know a planeswalker is broken when it is the only permanent on the opponents' side, you control three big creatures and you still feel behind on board

[@redarndiculous]

"We also need to find Uro and Oko." Magic is easy confirmed.

[@DanyTLaw]

This is now my new go to video when I wanna smile!

[@iamjuice101]

We need a Wild West (No Bans) Standard format in MTGA

[@docmcstuffins7892]

it would never happen in something as official as this but god i wish this was a thing

[@forygamesu217]

banned cards should be legal to play in unranked...i wish

[@HalTuberman]

@@nickniehaus1763 This can happen in vintage. In fact, I believe an elked Black Lotus attacked for lethal in a tournament game.

[@biga2]

@@docmcstuffins7892 I can't see why they couldn't. Overwatch still has modes where you can play old school without having to role queue. They only reason it won't happen is they still want to prioritize selling packs above all else, hence the "at least one ridiculously broken card per set" standard we've been dealing with. TBH I would take 3feri back over the current bs we're dealing with.

[@DoomSpellSkadi]

@@nickniehaus1763 sat black lotus for mana In respond

[@carlitosbro]

7:50 I didn't know cycling shark typhoon also came with Scry 2

[@malthelauritsen7621]

I think you mean with double Vampiric Tutor without lifeloss

[@KChaos005]

@@malthelauritsen7621 So, Demonic tutor?

[@malthelauritsen7621]

@@KChaos005 Haha... true

[@likeClockwork7]

I agree with CGB's assessment that WotC has shifted to printing cards in standard that they fully intend to ban later. We went from bans almost never to bans basically constantly in a fairly short amount of time in standard; it's not coincidence, it's not a run of bad luck. It's a shift in priorities. Secret Lair: The Walking Dead is further indicative of this shift in priorities, I feel.

[@literallysomedudeliterally9470]

2 bans in 10 years compared to 11 bans in 2 years. I don't know why anyone would think this shit isn't intentional...

[@josiestockard3870]

It makes me feel validated to see CBG have a bunch of decks named "new deck(x)". Omnath has taken away my will to even name my decks.

[@blakecandesign9628]

Why didn’t you go for the Thanos meme for the title? ‘Perfectly balanced, as all things should be’. Just sayin 🤷‍♂️

[@joaquinrico8837]

Competitive Modern is less toxic than this madness

[@sagecolvard9644]

Of course it is, Oko is banned in Modern

[@zilloguy42]

I feel like I could play this version of the game drunk and still win every round

[@jacobmees5637]

Realy nice format... I would certainly also like this in historik 😍field, Agent....

[@nikvalinsky]

Yeah I want to see M20 - present sans bans

[@lucius6639]

Now we need to do historic with no bans. This way we have perfect mana and even more busted decks. I wanna see T3feri

[@FlopGaze]

Historic version with teferi, veil, field, nexus and agent added

[@mcbescheiden725]

Today we learned: Fires of invention is fine!

[@jeffreymascarenhas8623]

Well only in this type of no bans. Being able to cheat cards in early in the game makes standard dull because everyone plays it or trys to counterplay it. Henceforth fires and reclamation were banned.

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

@@jeffreymascarenhas8623 Also *cough* clover which copy adventure cards which are already 2 for 1s .

[@opat9861]

At this state of standard, I wouldn't even mind Oko ...

[@ty_sylicus]

Oko is actually helpful against creature threats like Omnath. I mean... a little.

[@KPX01]

@@ty_sylicus nah it will become oko omnath deck instead of omnath adventure

[@ondrejkromer5732]

16:48 now that's a flavor win

[@nicotinedreams]

I find it SO hard to believe that the Wizards Play Design team were playing Future Future League with all these cards and said to themselves, "Yep, we got it right, ship em!"

[@braydengardner41]

Video quality only at 360p?

[@pabblo424]

2 hours? We've been blessed

[@mfitkin]

Elknath, Elk of Creation

[@tatesmith4527]

25:29 the wolf screaming in the background sounds a lot like the wolf howling a the beggining of Nightcall by Kavinsky! :O

[@vehiclesofpeace]

CBG was turned into an elk. This video in a nutshell.

[@juliuswill9517]

Hey CGB, don't get me wrong on this one. But why are you wearing your glasses now in almost every video? I mean yeah they look and all but I don't think you need them. Keep up the good work! I love your videos💯

[@evilfridolin]

He thinks he's edgy

[@chaosmastermind]

*Opponent plays literally anything.* Oko: So you have chosen.....elk.

[@leosc24]

Oko, thief of crowns; He lived up to his name when he stole Kenrith's crown by turning him into an elk. Lol

[@UTUB2kholle]

Well that's Eldraine's plot.

[@KrisoVT]

So early here, best quality is 360p

[@stefanrabenstein3753]

It's unusual, I hope its just youtube processing though Edit: 5 min later, the qualities now go up to 1080

[@roffe8751]

First game is like a perfect example of someone not beeing able to control the massive powers that was bestowed upon him.

[@calebkent4756]

Does this video have a record number of "Why did you...?"s for anyone else?

[@UTUB2kholle]

Yeah misplays are of the chart, but it's pretty clear he's playing for the lulz. I'd have liked it a little less sloppy for sure, but hey ^^

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

That Bant Oko control deck looked fun as hell LOL.

[@KChaos005]

1:44:45 and theres literally a card called Kenrith's Transformation ... hmmm oh, just watched ahead, someone in chat also knew

[@danielcarrillo4800]

hahaha exactly, in throne of eldraine book kenrith was turned into an elk by oko so he can be killed easyly

[@OdinPG]

Magic: The Elkening

[@jfb-]

15:10 so THIS is how wizards missed that you can elk your opponent's stuff...

[@mandielyn0416]

My two favorite KZbin personalities together, f$£¥ yeah!!!

[@ArranVidalhallArran247]

Totally love this format....... I think having 2 content creators is good content....

[@darkmega97]

You were so worried about if you could that you didn't stop to think if you should

[@hardcoregames723]

CGB, you said they knew these cards were broken. So do you think they just want to print cards like these to sell packs and give no foxes about making a good game? Thats just how I feel

[@drsherifff]

... It's been clear for so long

[@literallysomedudeliterally9470]

They're a predatory business. They just want your money

[@joedettloff5466]

You know standard is going well when someone elkifies your omnath. 😂

[@champdoggaming]

Kenny being an elk is pretty correct lore wise

[@deathwraith2318]

This was like constantly watching poor CGB get screwed with by the shuffler. I know how that luck goes. Keep fighting the good fight!

[@creakybeak1252]

Alright, because it's late, I'm gonna watch this in two parts, one hour each. This is gonna be fun.

[@StrictlyStarsky]

One year later... Well sh**. How y'all doin'??? OMG still an awesome watch a year later!!!

[@thetherapist53]

I think "bolt the bird" needs to be updated to "bonk the honk".

[@TheDeltrii]

Elk'ing the Kenrith is such a flavor win

[@burrskurr4304]

truly a modern masterpiece

[@Threadoflength]

Watching this... i realize that i actually miss Oko.... Oh god

[@dadebutler2383]

Day 97/750 of asking CGB to play a deck around dream trawler, magic mirror, and the teferi draw more enchantment.

[@Summoningz]

Teferi’s insight

[@carlvonclausewitz3027]

Shitty deck

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

Just go for Teferi's tutelage mill at that point or Azorius control there is no point being inbetween both of them.

[@dadebutler2383]

@@silverdeathgamer2907 Did you ever stop to think that the Teferi Draw more enchantment was Teferi's Endless Insight and not Teferi's Tutelage? No? Maybe? Mayhaps? The colors are also azorious on purpose because of Emergency Powers and Trawler. But you didn't stop to think about that did you.

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

@@dadebutler2383 Emergency powers isn't legal in standard and CGB tends to play at least decent decks in standard.

[@aaronc.roberts558]

I like this one dude. I really do. I think the audience that stays here, your daily audience.. will stay here because they see you are comfortable with making quality content. I think your next big jump in expansion as a channel -it’s coming the easiest from you becoming either a series face in competitive MtG (which you ‘are totally capable ofwill come

[@covertgoblue]

Thank you, we'll see what happens but I'll keep doing what I can.

[@chernoalpha3445]

Love the vault-tec shirt just as a fan of the fallout series. Enjoy it even more imagining standard magic as one of the twisted social experiments the vaults were built for.

[@ocdalby]

Drink everytime cgb says he should cut fires from the deck

[@gragrim]

Showing the power of mystical dispute

[@Chaoslorden]

And this is not even with spark double in the format. Double oko for maximum fun times.

[@veldin4108]

I think the fact that it asks you if you really want to elk your own food shows that they didn't understand the power of oko..

[@Katzura]

Dear CGB, I would never 2x you no matter how many times you encourage it! why you might ask? you explain what you are thinking meaning I get to explore magic and especially control from another point of view and I get to both learn and get to enjoy good games :)

[@covertgoblue]

Spoken like a truly cool kid. :-)

[@maxkuozc]

They should release their play test data like, what the meta looked like that kept the okos in check, that would’ve justified their decisions I think

[@Kryptnyt]

Oh Evil CGB is out of jail I see Nahiri avatar do be hunchbackin' tho

[@SurferFlash]

He did have you dead at 57:40. Swap any of his creatures for your borrower. Uro the other borrower. He hits you for 6 in the air.

[@feartactics]

It wouldn't have haste so it can't attack.

[@TarrinKael]

Today I learned that 4-colored snot-shaped legendaries go well with anything. Go figure.

[@fatilumkins8730]

Oko turning Kenereth into an Elk. Seems like I have heard this story somewhere before 😂

[@fadinggrin4700]

Watching these Oko decks reminds me of watching any (old) Headhunter build in Path of Exile.

[@stevenkuykendall8673]

I think the worst part isn't even how broken everything is, its how long it takes to kill someone even after you have all that advantage. There is no hope of coming back once someone takes off, but you still have to wait 15 mins for them to get to the point that they are able to actually kill you.

[@shauNiKu_]

What's really weird is all this stupid strong cards wouldn't be so overpowered if they all existed together, and also weren't all the same !@#!ing colors I actually always loved U/G back in like Urza's Block and before, but come on.... all the most powerful cards are ramp and Simic. I've noticed I have a decent winrate with a budget Orzhov aggro deck, but I have to make so many bad trades to stop their combos from going off

[@timothybartlett5493]

I kind of want to play this format now.

[@anescapepat]

Some of the best and MOST broken magic ever!

[@roberteriksen6434]

I've really forgotten just how much Oko DOMINATES the games once he hits the board. I was inclined to grant Wizards the benefit of incompetence, but honestly ANYONE playing with him should have realized this. And the testers probably did, and Wizards didn't care. Although i remember something along the likes of testers saying 'we weren't fully creative about Oko's second ability', suggesting they were only using it on their own creatures. But still, even just elking the artifacts should make him bannable, it's a ridicules amount of board presence for a 3 drop that just grows.

[@rayndeon1]

Been wanting to see a video like this for a while! Awesome content ideas as usual, CGB.

[@covertgoblue]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jordanvaughan768]

This is like a nightmare come to life 😂 if this was Standard, I probably would’ve given up on Arena a year ago. What an absolute MESS

[@vincentvega9139]

i actually forgot that the oko bullshit was a plus... fucking wild

[@BogardanLord]

This is high quality content. More of this plz :P

[@joshthistleable]

super that you did this. big ups

[@pyredynasty]

Elk the Omnath is the new floop the pig.

[@Anonymous-ie3sc]

Those 65 dislikes are from the parents who don't want their kids to play MTGA for 5 hours a game.

[@UTUB2kholle]

Fires of Invention was always better in control / superfriends decks. Shoving it into Omnath decks seem quite meh ^^' Also you know you can maj+enter to skip your turn thoroughly ? ;) Fun video, although it was a bit too sloppy imo.

[@willchen3185]

Watching this at 2x speed was hilarious

[@lukesquier4198]

the mortals could not handle it

[@chaosmastermind]

Oko the Broke-o, and Om-nom-nom-nath.

[@angelosorio8371]

Watching you at 1.5x speed it's like watching Jesse Eisenberg play Magic

[@wangjingleaf]

Funnest MTG vid out there lol.

[@nanielwolf5768]

CGB Shift+Enter completely passes the turn to your opponent, useful sometimes.

[@DonGeritch]

I mean, you can always Elk your Fires when it starts bottlenecking you)

[@literallysomedudeliterally9470]

+1 Target artifact or creature loses all abilities and becomes a green Elk creature with base power and toughness 3/3 Mind explaining how you're going to Elk the Fires exactly?

[@DonGeritch]

@@literallysomedudeliterally9470 ah, right, it doesn't target enchantments, I forgot