What the latest Indiana Pacers trade rumors mean and signal about the team’s future

[@LockedOnPacers]

Timestamps-ish: 0:00 Intro and trade deadline reminders 5:06 Pacers' trade deadline approach: Wings and shooting targets 13:13 Myles Turner trade rumors: Analyzing conflicting reports 19:51 Center market analysis 24:25 Enrique Freeman contract conversion

[@rjonesy3480]

I never trust an outside report unless Tony substantiates it.

[@LockedOnPacers]

That's all I can ask for

[@chstultz]

Thanks Tony! I never understood why every team thinks were going to let Turner walk for nothing. Hopefully we finish the season strong and we retain him in the off-season. 3 year deal makes the most sense for sure.

[@LockedOnPacers]

THat's exactly what I think

[@chadcory9690]

would be absolutely asinine to trade myles

[@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615]

You've never lied to me T. East! Keep up the great work

[@ForrestDickerson-u5n]

Pacers should trade in the offseason...they are a closeknit group and don't recover well after losing team mates..Remember the buddy Held trade last year...

[@LockedOnPacers]

Offseason trades wouold make a lot of season for this roster

[@daledoback692]

Agree 100%

[@chadcory9690]

I wouldn't trade myles period

[@terrencet202]

I think hali still feels some type of way about that buddy trade🤦🏾

[@WickedKpop]

I think there was even an article at one point about how can the Bulls trade for Haliburton lmao. Some of these news sources that don't actually cover the Pacers, don't know what they're talking about. 😂

[@LockedOnPacers]

Yeah it's insane. Have to be picky about who is reporting things.

[@westrueblood8178]

Thanks, Tony. Love your work.

[@LockedOnPacers]

Much appreciated!

[@warlockmagic3416]

Yeah, there's no way in hell I'd trade anyone on our team other than picks.. and if we absolutely had to. Then Myles, but that sucks too. Cam Johnson isn't better than Mathurin even now. I don't even like him over Nesmith as a fit, or Obi. So, other than a couple picks. I'm not doing it. Plus I'd want Day'Ron Sharpe. If they took Myles Turner. We'd need to flip him to a team like the Lakers. Because Nets don't need Turner. You maybe give them a 2028 Top 10 protected. Get a Lakers 2029 1st for Turner. Then you could afford to throw out another protected 1st in 29'.. but as far as them asking for our young #6 and #7 picks in the draft.. they must be smacked out of their minds. I'd scoff at that bs. What's funny is how many time's it seamed feasible to move Myles. However now, even though he's playing the exact same way. He's suddenly more valuable than he ever was. Simply because of our team style and need to keep it that way. While there isn't any other defensive stretch bigs out there. Who are also a quick knockdown shooter. I'm not surprised at all by the number he asked. I figured he'd want close to what Hartenstein got. I definitely wouldn't go any higher. If you could start off less in the first year's. Even 27 to 28 would be reasonable without trying to insult him. Only because we want to keep this team together. By the time Pascal's contract ages a bit. Myles goes up, you can begin to later figure out who you want to move. My biggest focus would be to resign Ben Mathurin for sure. But I'd like to see Myles stay. I'd still be down to throw 3 2nds at Day'Ron Sharpe right now.

[@alexanderbelmonte9000]

This is the best and grittiest reality check, thanks Tony. Keep it up, you're the people's choice, most realistic and not ridiculous takes. Pacers and fans deserve a real insider that represents the reality of the team. All the big media outlets favor the markets they are located in, hence why ESPN refuses to talk as indepth about ANY of the other teams, so please keep it coming!

[@LockedOnPacers]

Much appreciated. That's the goal!

[@LearningaboutMovies]

regarding your names at the end of possible trades, "not playing well this year" may be a buy-low opportunity, which is what the Pacers have to do. "playing well," as in Cam Johnson, may be buying high, and the risk is he doesn't fit that well, especially on defense which Carlisle has shown that he's rightfully picky about.

[@LockedOnPacers]

All very true

[@rayd69-g3v]

Myles Turner has been a huge foundation to the success and respect of The Pacers team in the past few seasons. He's been mentioned in trade rumors for years, but he has proven to be worthy of a fair contract based on his leadership and consistent production.

[@warlockmagic3416]

What I can't begin to understand. Is why they haven't went after Day'Ron Sharpe already. Yeah, we have Bryant.. So what, we need Day'Ron even more. 🙇 Why not go get him.. The obvious best, smart move out there.. BTW I'm the guy that wanted them to draft Jaylen Wells, GG Jackson, Keshad Johnson and Jamal Shead this year. As well as other good draft players and FA signings in the past. I think I know good talent when I see it. I'll also be pissed if they botch this year's draft. If it were me. I'd try to get another mid to late 1st. Or two earlier 2nds. A lot of solid guy's in those ranges. Fleming, Miles Byrd, Danny Wolf, Thiero, Ian Jackson, Nique Clifford, Kam Jones, Joson Sanon, Jase Richardson, Boogie Fland, Dink Pate, Drake Powell, Isaiah Evans, Jamir Watkins, Jevon Small, Walter Clayton Jr., Carter Bryant, Saint Thomas, Tyrese Proctor, Donnie Freeman, Koby Brea, Maxime Raynaud, MacKenzie Mgbako, Tomislav Ivisic, Taylor Bol Bowen, Eric Dixon, Tahaad Pettiford, Bogoljub Marković. All of my favorite projected possible 20-30's and up.

[@mattrinehart9954]

Sharpe cant shoot.........

[@brandondeno2525]

Unfortunately, most likely Pacer to be traded is Mathurin. Won't be able to pay him in the future, especially if Turner is resigned. Can't pay both with the other contracts on the books. Also, the team's strategy on Turner completely changed when both Jackson and Wiseman tore their achilles. One of those was going to be Turner's replacement...

[@julianfoddrell9370]

This might be the year pacers go to the finals. The cavs and celtics are low key frauds. And celtics are a Lil older and fall in love with the 3 ball. Rockets physicality should be a blueprint the pacers follow to beat the celtics.

[@ShermInTheBooth]

Celtics not looking like a championship team right now that’s for sure!

[@kalu8652]

Tony, do you think the Pacers would consider a Bam Adebayo trade if he became available? Or do you think they may view him as not a major upgrade on Turner? Turner+Obi+picks, Turner+Mathurin+salary filler, etc. may get it done. Thanks

[@tonyschimmoeller]

Don't see why the Heat would have any interest in Turner

[@kalu8652]

@@tonyschimmoeller Turner is on an expiring. They would have interest in acquiring Mathurin or draft picks. Heat are losing Jimmy and likely need to look at a full rebuild soon.

[@tonyschimmoeller]

@kalu8652 Yea none of that would be of interest over Bam.

[@LockedOnPacers]

They should. He's terrific.

[@spacefieldtime]

Are we trying win the East or build for the future? Or both? What teams need a C now to win it all? What team has assets to give the Pacers? Forget Cam Johnson, last game on the floor holding his knee, we have a ton of good wings and it would look stupid if we started losing if the Pacers make a trade with the Nets. Turner has been very loyal to the Pacers and is having maybe his best year, but time goes on. So how about Chet Holmgren and 2 of those OKC first round picks?

[@terrencet202]

Im ok letting sheperd go in a trade.. maybe nesmith depending on whether or not he can get back into his pre-injury form soon.

[@justintompkins828]

They’ve been doing just fine without Nesmith and with Mathurin playing this year Nesmith basically hasn’t played all year so in reality the difference they would be lacking will be whatever they lose from moving on from Toppin but what Cam Johnson brings will surely offset the loss of Toppin

[@pulses33]

Trey Murphy would be NICE !!!

[@LockedOnPacers]

Would be. Tough trade since his contract is impacted by poison pill provision, but great player and ascending

[@jessehobbs2447]

🔥🔥💯💯

[@BigLieofAI]

Tate would be a good get. He lost minutes but he's a dawg. I would not trade Mathurin. Never. He's a slow learner but Math is the kind of guy who'll come back and average 25ppg for a non-playoff team or 20PPGG for a rival / contender down the line... don't do it. Using a 2nd round pick, Neismith and one of the injured centers could get us back another strong center or forward. Chemistry of the team is good. Toppin accepts his role off the bench and looks happy. I think Neismith and Math are going to fight for minutes. I think we all know who has the higher ceiling... I will add Walker to my commentary. Don't trade your first rounders. Ever. There's a reason why you picked them. You thought they were special and fit your team. Keep Walker and Math long term. Work with Math. work on the psychology, thinking the game, answering the reporters, work with him. We would regret trading him long term I'm sure of it.

[@coolkatco]

Pacers system is not easy to learn, trades should only happen in the off-season... I came to the fanbase with #Pascal #Siakam and it took a full off-season for him and the coaches to learn how to embrace all his skills.. Young players need time to develop and produce ahem Jarace Walker... I'm fine with no trades..

[@alexanderbelmonte9000]

I wouldn't trade for anone whyo didn't have All Star caliber qualities and if I'm being honest, alot of our guys are that caliber, the league's labeling and financials as related to media are a poison imo. It's created all this nonsense and impatience within fanbases. I want to win a chip too, but I also want to win it the right way with a real team. I will never like Boaton, but they showed what a real organized and uncluttered sense of reality about the game has led to them winning again with a young group who will be there for a while and be at the top. MArkets asise, It's time to stop using the small markey excuse and be a real organized team and I believe we are doing that. We don't need a smoke screen placebo solution to a problem we DONT have, currently. If anything, the front office can do better about draft ASSETS, ESPECIALLY OUR 2ND ROUND PICKS. That due diligence is why the Rockets are the Rockets rn, and the Grizzlies have all those young players and guys that have been overlooked. I don't kknow why we traded those picks to Denver for guys who never had a chance at making the roster, instead of having Strawther and Watson, 2 guys WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE. but no we got Mojave King and Isiaih Wong, both can ball, but there was never a real chance, that's a waste if you ask me; not the first or only glaring Pritchard credential, but he's also made some solid moves as well. Presti isnt making any bad moves, just as a comp.

[@icantthinkofansn15]

23:35 how does Tony know this is my first thing in listening to?? Is he a psychic??

[@LockedOnPacers]

Mission accomplished!

[@chadcory9690]

Please don't trade myles hes been here long enough he earned every Penny

[@ripplerocket]

If the Pacers are serious about competing for a Championship they will have to pay Myles and Ben. Exceed the tier one Luxury cap

[@LockedOnPacers]

That or trade them for a player that they pay into the tax, yeah. Not impossible to be a non-taxpayer and win it all, but tough

[@Cheesehead2025]

Bucks fan here, what would you guys want for Myles Turner?

[@jessehobbs2447]

Nothing from the bucks that’s for damn sure

[@bleedblue769]

No

[@reggie441950]

There's Nothing Wrong with standing Pat.....Now that Thomas Bryant has panned out....get well Isaiah Jackson.....JWise is the only player (plus maybe a G League guy) to even consider.....This is the best team Talent and Chemistry wise than any Pacer team I've seen in my 35yrs as a season tik holder

[@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615]

@@reggie441950 I concur! Stay put, and I feel Pritchard and Buchanan know that. They're genius, and we're still operating from the lower brain.

[@LockedOnPacers]

I agree

[@julianfoddrell9370]

Can pacers be on a 3 way trade with lakers and jazz to get markannen??

[@mattrinehart9954]

Markanan cant be traded. Also if they arent willing to pay Myles they arent paying Markanan 42 million a year.

[@LockedOnPacers]

Markkanen can't be traded this season

[@julianfoddrell9370]

@LockedOnPacers other. That's right. He did a new deal right?

[@julianfoddrell9370]

​@@mattrinehart9954😮 damn 42 mill. Sheesh.

[@LockedOnPacers]

@ correct

[@mugarbelennon1578]

30 millions for a center that only grab 2 rebound a game and only want to shoot 3 is crazy

[@bleedblue769]

Say you don’t watch a majority of the games without telling me you don’t ..

[@EvanBlack11]

​@@bleedblue769 He exactly right

[@bleedblue769]

@ how? everyone dislikes myles cause he's good lol. rebounding isn't one player's responsibility

[@EvanBlack11]

@@bleedblue769 brah it’s more than that he’s very inconsistent and gives about maybe one good games a month. You cannot pay someone that much money and they give you inconsistent, numbers his got his numbers up since Ty got on the team. Thomas Bryant is giving as much as Turner with half the minute. Dude is just a good player and there players that’s been in the league for a few years out production him. Turn does fit our team but not if it risk making better moves in the future.

[@LockedOnPacers]

shooting 3s is good right?

[@reginaldsanders5299]

I’d trade Niehsmith and TJ with a pick for him

[@kalu8652]

Nesmith is our best defender and it isn't close. I would trade Obi way before Nesmith.

[@LockedOnPacers]

TJ can't be traded this season

[@ARM317]

I fully appreciate your thoughts on Turner, we would be stupid to trade him. He deserves to stay here. I can see Mathurin and Walker being a part of the consolidated trade. We need to either figure out a schedule for Quenton Jackson to play (ie 3 rotating schedule to get TJ and Nembhard rest) or trade him, the man should be playing!

[@mugarbelennon1578]

He is soft as baby shit, he only want to shoot 3s and he is not even good at it and only going to give u 2 rebound a game

[@EvanBlack11]

This is absolutely the worst thing ever you're trading either Matherin and Walker and keeping Turner OMG that's hysterical. And we give those minutes to a G League player 😂. Why would you give up on to young prospect for a guy that's about to enter his 30s

[@ARM317]

@EvanBlack11 we can't keep everyone. If we go after Cam Johnson, we'll have to give up 2 players, probably 2 wings or a wing+Obi. The Nets will want something good in return. The Turner situation is a different conversation.

[@EvanBlack11]

The Myles Turner obsession in these comments and from the Pacers fan base is crazy. Dude will get his bag from us and fall off like he done many times before. Then give us 1 or 2 great games a month and the rest will be at average or below-average games.

[@chadcory9690]

When has myles fell off? He's gotten better every single season as is one of the best stretch bigs in the game

[@axwell311]

I thought they were interested in Kennard from MEM...Hes around 9M..get it done 👍

[@keving5711]

Myles Turner and Jarace Walker for Jonathan Isaac

[@jameswalkerjr.6221]

Not sure that value lines up. I don't like Isaac's injury history. Love the character and talent though

[@carytrabue9521]

Hell no!

[@mattrinehart9954]

Please stop. This isn't funny

[@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615]

@@keving5711 stop putting that stuff in your pipe, it's frying your brain