What the Liahona REALLY Looked Like! (feat. Don Bradley)

[@ItsSnagret]

The fact that Don plays along with the BS just makes the content even more prime

[@GravityFalloutPines]

It's true I learn something and also laugh, it's like Loveline but clean haha

[@SuttonShimai]

It amazes me that as brilliant as Don Bradley is, he still has the personality and humor to blend in so well with everyone else on the show!

[@outsideview9052]

So what does that say about the intelligence and personality of the other members of this podcast? Never mind, we know what that says about them.😅

[@wendyfoster5579]

How unusual, to have an academic with a good sense of humor. Love all the episodes with Don. You guys are 🔥

[@soneedanap]

The Hugh Nibley theory that the Liahona has ties to the word "queen bee" reminds me of an experience I had with my Grandpa. I used to go hiking with him just about every Saturday. He was a bee keeper and this one time he caught this bee in a box and that bee would try to escape by moving to one of the edges of the box. He would follow the direction the bee would indicate and it led us to a wild beehive with combs and honey. It was sooo cool! And with the small size of the Liahona, it totally fits. Not sure what the word for queen bee is in Hebrew or Egyptian, but cool.

[@TheDovesNest]

"Deseret"

[@tuvoca825]

The bee is a symbol of Joseph

[@Number4lead]

Nibly the kid diddler.😂

[@kentmattingley1792]

​@@Number4leadNibley's daughter had mental problems including anger towards her father. All of her siblings refuted her story. Very poor witness as far as her claim goes

[@indiuckymonkey2137]

Many of us find it difficult to understand how the Liahona worked, but can you imagine trying to explain to Nephi our cell phone technology? 🙀

[@lynnd6422]

I had that exact question about the Liahona and talked about it with a friend. A week later I got Don's book and had my answer. It's been awhile. I'll have to read it again. So, I love it every time you have Don in the studio.

[@PizzaDoctor800]

Is the second spindle manually adjustable? That way they can move it to point at the icon of what they want, and then the first spindle will in turn point where to find that specific thing they're asking about. Or is it independent and will decide for them what they need next at that moment?

[@oneclimbs]

That’s an interesting idea. So they could select what they were looking for with one spindle and the second one pointed the way to it. I wonder if there was a default setting for just generally where the Lord wanted them to travel.

[@kellenfreeman2299]

I had the same thought.

[@DGHamblin]

This was my exact question/supposition.

[@ar_sureshot4992]

I watched the BOM movie today about Liahona and I’ve always wondered what the second spindle pointed to. Thanks this is an interesting thought.

[@Heartsinmelody]

This is my favourite Don Bradley theory. Good job.

[@JoanneBoulter]

I have bought and read the book and it is so full of amazing information!

[@wonko6x9]

It pointed to the person who’s turn it is to do the dishes..

[@WARDRADIO]

Lol

[@paulsavage2157]

Loved the line that they would have kept the toilet paper far away from the fire....

[@kevinwoodward8546]

Ok... I'm ready to add Bradley's Book on the Lost 116 Pages, this to add to the Annotated BofM, which is also awesome. Will Don personalize a couple of autographed copies of his book for me and my oldest son? Can't hurt to ask

[@debbiemelander289]

Okay, I’m sold. I’m going to buy the book right now.

[@TrebizondMusic-cm6fp]

It's well worth it.

[@karzee358]

Wouldn't it be cool if the sealed portion of the plates was filled with MAPS!!???

[@senilex1737]

I don’t see why it wouldn’t. That would be a huge slam dunk!

[@nathanbryant911]

Excellent interview!

[@dbat480]

When you dont hear Cardon say "haha thats funny. Okay...." you know the room is filled with comedians. Hahahahah I love that don can be serious and humorous.

[@dinocollins720]

Another fantastic video! Thank you

[@davidb6477]

Like a vector, one spindle gives a direction and the other spindle gauges the distance to travel in that direction. The OG GPS.

[@ranaemonsen1003]

Love the book! Absolutely fascinating

[@thekalechipsvendetta]

Stacked team for the video… always is though. Haha. Sweet to see Don again! Always happy to!

[@angelalewis3645]

This is so great!

[@mrjoshua2791]

Such a good episode gotta re watch this one!

[@josephfalahi5982]

Thank Don for all the insight! You should publish your 116 pages book as an audiobook!

[@mikesessions01]

Read the book. Good research and analysis. I enjoyed thinking about some of the possibilities.

[@Mr.Woodchucks]

The Mormon yeshiva has a video on KZbin about the Astros theology of the book of Mormon. Where he explains that the directions Nephi is describing in the Book of Mormon is like a walk around the mazzaroth. Wondering if the symbols described are related to the constellations and that they symbolize the needs of the people. Speculation on my part.

[@peterblair4448]

Fantastic!

[@kyles.9653]

Great episode! Just bought your book Don

[@mrmod123]

I want you to have Jonathan Neville on with Don Bradley to talk about some of this stuff… I mean I’d love to have a whole panel with all the different pov’s talk. So many opinions and povs

[@paulblack1799]

Love the dragon thief shirt, Brad.

[@nedmacamden3019]

This was awesome!

[@CourtMcMullin]

The 2nd spindle was obviously a righteousness meter. The more they sinned the more it got into the red. As they became righteous it moved into the green.

[@jaynefranck1]

I doubt it’s that complicated. We all have smart phones, marvelous, worldly, urim/thumim devices, made ‘by man’…Just imagine God’s , gold standard, upgrade device for Lehi’s family….password, love, Automatic lock, contention….The Liahona, was a marvelous work and a wonder to those ancient trekkers. ….I bet their children constantly bugged for Liahona time. Pleazzzzzze Grandpa? It’s my turn first tonight. ❤❤❤

[@akpred]

The scriptures teach that nothing is just temporal so I would imagine one pointed where they were supposed to go physically where the other one would point to give guidance on spiritual matters 🤷‍♀️ like with the message the family recieved

[@johnbaxter6494]

Dons book reads like a college text book. I wish my grade school brain could wrap itself around it. Very interesting info.

[@RunShootSki]

Dons the best. Just about finished his book. Excited for his next one to come out

[@lornabaker4039]

“By the way, the toilet paper really ought to be turned the other way around…” “…And there arose contention among them.” Lol! The age old argument. I don’t know why I got such a kick out of all the restroom jokes. This episode is golden! But then, every episode with Don Bradley is golden. 😄

[@chefbernie62]

This is the Good Stuff!!!

[@TrialedFaith]

Commenting for the algs and logs 🪵!

[@paulblack1799]

Liahona = l' yah on - light from Yah (YHVH)

[@literatesasquatch]

I think that's the best etymology I've seen. I've obviously misunderstood whatever Nibley meant by bee since BJT is supposed to be Egyptian and DBR is supposed to be Hebrew and where we got the name Deborah.

[@kukey25]

Simplest explanation is probably correct. What about the second spindle being pointing north or adjustable like a compass?

[@marielawrence-settle6476]

Where can we find and buy the lost pages from the BOM?

[@Johnboynid]

Wasn’t the Liahona one of the things also included in the stone box when Joseph Smith found the Golden Plates?

[@DGHamblin]

Is there any indication that the user could put the one spindle on what they wanted to find and the other would then point the direction?

[@michaelhiett1413]

Because there was a shortage of soda bottles in ancient times, the second spindle's purpose was to serve as a pointer in the game of "Spin the Bottle!" 😁

[@hg4144]

It is hard watching at times…

[@crazyaboutcards]

Don is my favorite. ☺️

[@davidlinnartist]

Love it!

[@devinhinkson3798]

I always thought that they had to spindles as a second witness that they were going in the right direction

[@TruthBTold90]

For one to deny the Book of Mormon, they must deny deep connections and nuance only God could orchestrate. The Book of Mormon is true!

[@kimations]

It's the alethiometer from the book The Golden Compass by Philip Pullman.

[@karzee358]

😂

[@todd1s45]

I often imagined an LCD screen...

[@jenniferolsen8826]

Is there an episode where Don talks about the hat in the stone theory?? If not i want to hear his take

[@TheTimologist]

I always imagined from those descriptions that there was was amd outer ring and inner ring. One of the rings - whichever had the symbols for provisions and what not - would be able to spin freely in the housing. So when Lehi asked God where they could obtain food - the direction spindle did not move - yet the provisions spindle and the ring containing the required symbols would both move - the spindle toward the location and the ring to match that symbol with where the spindle stopped. I also assumed that the direction spindle did not just point in one direction - but moved according to their faith. So, possibly, they might find easier paths - ones with more vegetation or less rocks and/or robbers - if they had more faith - and they had more arduous paths of they had less. And the spindles would give written instructions or chastenings depending on their faithfulness.

[@ChapinaUSA]

27:05 I call them the tokens of birthright: The sword of Laban, the Bronze plates, the records of Nephi et al., the Liahona, the Urim & Thummim & the breastplate.

[@spencerlandreth5746]

“Wow!” “What?!” “Dude!!!”

[@BobSmith-lb9nc]

Ordinary magnetic compasses have two spindles (pointers), one pointing magnetic north, the other pointing to the azimuth (direction of travel). Magnetism was already known in Lehi's day (mentioned by Thales of Miletus).

[@stevenodell7662]

When God wants us to learn to be in tune with the Holy Ghost, continued dependence on the Liahona would be counter-productive.

[@rossm2102]

Don Bradley trolling everyone else multiple times is hilarious 😂 great episode 16:15

[@zionmama150]

6:36 the reason for TWO spindles is that you cannot have proper revelation or gain any wisdom without the antithesis. One spindle told them where to go and the other was the antithesis. There must be opposition in all things. So when trying to discern, remember you have to have two choices so you can know which one is truly right. Also, having two spindles helps you know when the compass isn’t working, because nothing will be clear.

[@mattreedah]

It’s pretty obvious the liahona is describing an ancient culture dealing with what we think of modern tech

[@RCIDEARCIDEA]

The first computer 🖥 and GPS.. Easy to understand 😅😅😅😅 Love you Show 😊😊❤

[@TheDovesNest]

Jonah! How did you forget the spindle on Maleficent's spinning wheel?!

[@pa1degua]

need an audiobook version of the lost 116 pages

[@dinocollins720]

Liahona an ancient iphone haha. Super small, navigation, text messaging, pictures/images haha 😂

[@stephenbrown9370]

IT POINTED NORTH. If I tell you which way to go I need a constant point. Maybe magnetic north. It was a compass folks. As for how ot gave words?😮

[@andrewandstacieweller1927]

I’ve always wondered if they found it, who created it? God? A servant of God? Just curious 😊

[@PipeDaddy907]

I always thought of the writing changing in a similar way to Tom Riddles diary, not just lighting up preexisting characters

[@shadow6681]

This makes it sound like the Golden Compass was inspired by the Liahona. They were always similar before, but now much more so. Wow.

[@deannd.6179]

Yes! The Alethiometer always reminded me of the Liahona.

[@IntoAllTruth.]

To me, the second spindle would likely have shown them where to hunt for food, resources, etc.

[@JbowlizzleKC]

Bought it already, wish there was an audio book

[@WordsofMormon]

Either Mormon or Nephi realized that he better not tell us where the second spindle points to because it may have revealed something so esoteric, as not to be generally consumed by the average reader.🤯🤯🤯

[@ariseandbemen_]

What if the curious workmanship was the symbols of what they needed?

[@outsideview9052]

It was a spiritual GPS with written commands. I dont buy the "verbal" directions part of it.

[@jeffersonthomas3184]

While it was always a bit of fun speculation, It was my opinion that the second spindle acted as a sort of faith meter.

[@wilocupp]

Now I want a magic 8 ball Liahona

[@caffeinefreemtndew]

I don't know about Snitch size, but baseballs are just barely under 3 inches.

[@IntoAllTruth.]

The Liahona was in the same room as the sword of Laban and the many wagon loads of Nephite records that was inside the hill Cumorah. The stone box only contained the plates, the breastplate and the interpreters.

[@bethanygonzales5529]

I purchased Don’s book for my father in law for Christmas. So far he’s loving it.😊

[@liketheyogurt]

Cardon! A new script idea! A movie or show about the angel that delivers the Liahona throughout history.

[@vendingdudes]

Love this. Lost ten tribes start physically gathering to New Jerusalem all with tales and dreams from a version of a Liahona. (Kind of like how selected people were drawn to Devil's Tower in Close Encounters)

[@paulblack1799]

Don, cover Malchia's escape from Jerusalem next.

[@kareemhetaraka-brown1259]

It’s pretty obvious that the second spindle was for them all to play truth or dare. That’s why lamz-snizle and lemz-dog had a party and tied nephi up.

[@danielt3613]

The second spindle located water

[@realmatheusmelo]

"9min"So the Liahona would be something similar to an Alethiometer from His Dark Materials?

[@John-sq7uf]

So why does everyone think the Liahona was crafted to a technology or likeness of relics to that time. If this was gifted from god why couldn’t it have been crafted to like todays type of craftsmanship/ technology. It would be controlled by god anyways so…. think of digital watches. Adding that tech/ abilities to the mental image of what is described in the Book of Mormon. The liahona would be able to tell them anything. Images could change on the spindles different pictures could appear wherever. Who knows, and not knowing technology, the Liahona would be described as made of curious craftsmanship.

[@mollyshort2390]

Hello 👋 from Arkansas

[@thekalechipsvendetta]

Double that and you got me!

[@hjohnson966]

What are you guys talking about? 3 inches is tiny? No way! 3 inches is ginormous! You can do a lot with 3 inches if you know what you're doing! 😂😂

[@zon3665]

The second spindle pointed true north.

[@shireecox122]

I think it could have been like a magic 8 ball 👍🏼

[@mistuhgee]

I believe that the Liahona is Gandalf's Palantír.

[@Zyzzyx777]

22:07 deseret means a honey bee.

[@MattMorency]

They stop using the Liahona because the battery ran out and there weren't any charging stations in the land of Zerahemla.

[@robynmills5534]

I heard the other spindle pointed true north.

[@hollyward549]

Will Don Bradley siiiign his book for me? 😁

[@Cabledeluz1977]

This podcast has probably the number one Joseph Smith biographer in the world and they aren’t taking this interview seriously. The amount of joking and strange comments every 10 seconds is difficult to listen to. I’m not sure how Don Bradley is able to have the patience to sit through all of this. Good grief!

[@MrDofB]

Maybe it had a seer stone In the center...?

[@riskkerroo724]

I wish I was as cool as Don Bradley ✌️😊

[@daleclark7127]

Love it that the Lost 116 Pages is still being emphasized and advertised. Like Cardon this book has been such a blessing and is up there with the impact of RSR. Should be mandated reading before seminary graduation!!!

[@zon3665]

Masonry has as much in common with the Restoration as Catholicism or Protestanism has in common with the LDS Church. Bradley shouldn't super-impose Masonry onto elements of the Restoration.

[@brentknudson311]

Is that Va-Jonah from the famous band Ivy League?

[@jonahbarnes5841]

Brent, you handsome devil, you.

[@karzee358]

The Ladies' room? Don't you mean the Ladies' Rock? Or Tree? Or Bush?