What They SHOULD Change For The WHEEL OF TIME Show!

[@DanielGreeneReviews]

What would you change?

[@sirgog]

I'd have Elayne and Aviendha join Egwene in the 'Rand's ex-girlfriends club' by the later books.

[@TheSixOfSwords]

I would say make Rand's transformation not happen or make it easier for viewers.

[@monsouranda2822]

If their gonna add the Sharans in the Last Battle, they need to show them earlier. Like add some extra sharan character both in the side of light and dark.

[@planetzdr]

Yeah that Faile kidnapping... get rid of ALL of that

[@monsouranda2822]

Lanfear getting the hot's on Perrin. Lets scratch that one also

[@KingsandGenerals]

Fun fact. The first time I read the Eye of the World, I thought it is a standalone.

[@DanielGreeneReviews]

Same!

[@slydog75]

The first time I read Eye of the World it WAS a stand alone.. in the sense it was the only book out (yes I'm old).

[@KingsandGenerals]

​@@slydog75 I think book 4(5?) was out already by the time I read the first one, but I never picked the second one until years later.

[@mattmacaulay2900]

This is always my favorite KZbin crossover

[@DJRedd52]

Me too! I didn't find out it wasn't until a year later in the library

[@Miroshen]

Robert Jordan’s shyness with regards to sexual content should be preserved to contrast other shows like GOT. A hot scene can be exciting but hbo uses it as a crutch, and WoT doesn’t NEED a crutch. There’s no shortage of sexual content freely available elsewhere on the internet. And at least from the two rivers perspective, I find the sexual morality to be charming and part of what makes them who they are.... innocent and pure.

[@alananimus9145]

Because there is something perverted and corrupt about lgbt? Because that is the implications of what you said. Yes i agree go easy on the sex but represent.

[@w8ing4someday]

@@alananimus9145 I cannot speak for ML but I can say no, that is not what I got out of what they said. I am all for LGBTQ being represented, I agree with ML that ALL sexual content should be somewhat subdued, when comparing it to GoT which showed ALL skin ALL the time. You can allude to sexual content, even that of the LGBTQ community without showing bits that no one should see but your mama (when young) your doctor (when necessary) or your spouse. GoT was verging on Soft Porn. It became uncomfortable to watch at times, and I do not want that for WoT.

[@alananimus9145]

@@w8ing4someday Trying to keep this good faith. I am not the biggest fan of sex for sex's sake however it can be done really well. For example Sense8 did sex scenes very well and the orgy in it enhanced the story in a way that if it was removed would have completely changed the rest of the show going forward. I am unaware of if you have read Brandon Sanderson's 'Stormlight Archive' however if you haven't I suggest you give it a read. The glove hand demonstrates how weird I find Christian Purity Culture. I personally hate GoT both the books and the show because contrary to popular opinion they were poorly done stories with little meat on the bone. For me a sex scene is only as valuable as it's ability to contribute to the story and allusion to character motivations or advancement.The purpose of my original reply was to draw attention to what I believed to be an unintentional implication made by in the OP. For me clear communication is important and if you are saying something or giving an impression you did not intend I would rather give you the heads up that an edit may be in order than have a wokescold come along and blast you for it. Or for people who agree with the unintended implication to come along and give you props for something you never actually intended.

[@alananimus9145]

@Vox Populi It's less about what they said and more about the connection the rhetoric they used has to the alt-right and other Nazi's. As someone who deals with them on the regular if the OP is leaving an impression contrary to the one they intended then they should be aware of how their post comes across. As has been stated elsewhere WoT has *lots* of sex blood and violence in it. If they are expecting a tame show that is not going to happen. The only thing I care about is how good the art is. If it requires sex then put it in. If the sex is pandering then leave it out. Either way the rhetoric of the OP is harmful.

[@Kolaris8472]

@@alananimus9145 What the hell are you talking about? DG specifically mentioned Robert Jordan's "shyness when showing sex scenes" and the OP responded to it. You're the one who projected a completely different point from a different part of the video into what he said. "As someone who deals with [alt-right and Nazis] on a regular basis" you certainly start seeing them everywhere, even where they don't exist.

[@uomoafide6539]

What they SHOULDN'T change: Nynaeve tugging at her braid

[@justincarter6184]

There will be a game called take a shot every time she took her braid, we will all die.

[@KPruchE99]

Rafe already mentioned it will be shown but not constantly

[@jim.rnilsen9]

In a TV show format I don't think anyone will have a problem with it,, it will at least not seem to be to repetitive the same way as it may to some people in the written format

[@andosan5995]

With the actress they picked its gonna be tugging on her weave now

[@DrDune]

@@andosan5995 Afro textured hair is more often in braids then not...

[@ssmmav10]

I would like to see (1) Hurin and Sandar compare notes (2) A swearing contest between Uno, Brigette, Elayne & Mat (3) A temper contest between Faile, Nynaeve, Suane

[@Mhidraum]

I won't watch if they cut the ogier. Loial is adorable, and one of my favourite characters.

[@jeffsizemore6377]

Marhesi I cant believe Robert Jordan didn’t think loial resembled himself. Even though Harriett did. It was too perfect for him to basically exit the story right around the time RJ died. I would be really upset if they cut them too.

[@John-wd8vm]

Right? They have to. They gotta do him Right. Trollocs they have to do right too.

[@omnigar9611]

If they cut him then I'd like to see how they plan on getting through the way Gates

[@Mhidraum]

@@omnigar9611 They could actually quite easily explain them as more age of legenes stuff... I hope they don't, but it would be possible.

[@omnigar9611]

Without loial, they wouldn't have been where they needed to be. Many times

[@anthonycrayne2835]

Have fun playing Olver man. Personally I wouldn't remove any forsaken. I feel like they're spaced out enough to include them all..

[@slicedpie]

The issue is for people who are watching that haven't read the books. It would be hard to keep track of 13 forsaken and if they were spaced out enough, they would feel like, how daniel described it, "this seasons villain".

[@merc9nine]

@@slicedpie it is not hard to keep track of 13 characters and suggesting villain of the season as an objectively bad thing is odd if youve read the books.

[@mikelxanadu]

Brooooo you did Daniel dirty there lmao

[@elazarsinger4187]

There is one you could remove easily. In the first book there were two forsaken locked with the eye of the world. Just remove the one who isn't Aginor. He was so irrelevant I don't remember his name. He exists just so there could be two forsaken so there would be enough to overwhelm the main characters

[@ashamael]

I agree with this for the most part. I think that having 13 of them if the show makes it more than a season or two will be something that new fans will really love.

[@huntor52]

Yes i agree, Daniel should be cut from the script! He seems a bit clingy!

[@planetzdr]

Greene Daniel should be added to the show as the strongest forsaken

[@turtleanton6539]

He already is

[@planetzdr]

Turtle Anton you right 😂

[@sourcandy304]

He’s showing signs of being an overpowered channeler

[@rinokumura7371]

He is really a darkfriend in disquise

[@writingwofl5836]

You mean the dark one?

[@bellaguevska3985]

Agree with everything here. My top pick would be something else though - instead of Gawyn, make Egwene’s love interest/ warder an Aiel. It just makes so much more sense: her apprenticeship with the Wise Ones feels like the only proper time in her arch, when she could really develop a love relationship that doesn’t seem shallow; we could keep exploring the Aiel culture through her character even after she leaves the Waste; the two of them being separated throughout most of the books would be perfectly legitimate with their separate duties to their people; how cool would it be to have an Aiel fight the Seanchan assassins and later - Demandred??

[@Loomx5]

The Egwene/Aiel romance is smart i like that. It also could tie into her and Rand from EotW. She could have a thing for that kinda look.

[@timsgilable]

That would make zero sense when you get towards the ending.

[@bartakisom]

How could someone want to take away the world of dreams!?!?! It's a huge part of wheel of time!

[@JasonMDockins]

More than cutting the number of forsaken I think the show needs to cut the resurrection of the forsaken. It gets too convoluted, especially with the resurrections happening in new bodies. It works out ok on the page but in a visual medium there needs to be visual consistency in the characters. Also, if you get a great actor to play Ishamael keep them as Moridin.

[@TheYannir]

So, keep the resurrections to some degree(definitely Ishamael) but drop the body swapping?

[@JasonMDockins]

Artturi Grundström maybe only Ishamael.

[@DrDune]

8 books in and tbh I was pissed at resurrections being a thing. Why wouldn't the resurrection of a forsaken level entity send ripples across the fabric of the weave?

[@dreamer2260]

I agree. Think all resurrections should be cut.

[@finchbird2419]

Could definitely achieve this with wardrobe and makeup. That and manurisms.

[@revpembroke3082]

It feels weird to me for you to say Elayne and Aviendha are implied to be bisexual, given how often they call each other sister, and how the ceremony that makes them sisters had them feel like they went through a womb together. Thought you wanted to make this stand out from Game of Thrones. Also, I'm not sure how much LGBT diversity there really is in the books. Pillow friends, a few of the man-hating lesbian Red Ajah, that one Tairen Lord, and... that's it. Maybe the one Forsaken who was put in a women's body (but you've already advocated cutting Forsaken, and he's one of the ones who would be cut).

[@MizakiFelix]

No reason to cut any of the forsaken, though there are 13 of them only about six of them are truly developed given personality or anything else, Dimo dread is mentioned and we have no idea what he’s doing throughout the entire series until the very last book By the end of book for about 4 to 5 of them have been eliminated anyway LOL

[@ArchlordZer0]

Most of them were useless. I think Be'lal, Messana, Samael, Osan'gar/Aran'gar (the reincarnations of Aginor/Balthamel) can be cut.

[@MizakiFelix]

@@ArchlordZer0 not sure about some of those, but would agree with a couple of them

[@xyr3s]

I liked demandred cmng in with the sharans at the end. It was like a full on reverse gandalf at helms deep from the movies lol. When demandred came in with the sharans, i was like "oh shit son. Shit's about to go down"

[@kiklonio]

Daniel just casually calls his neighbour phallicly challenged and moves on...

[@Aerohead]

Yeah, in the middle of a rant about how consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want. I love ya Daniel, but don't be that guy. Some people like cars. Let people enjoy things. Nobody tries to say those who read and enjoy fantasy are attempting to prove they are smarter than everyone else when they enjoy their hobby. It's a tired trope.

[@omnigar9611]

But it's also true

[@Railstar1976]

@@Aerohead I'm just gonna say it: People who aftermarket mod their vehicles to make them *more* noisy because they think it's cool are assholes. His comment was crass, but justified. It's so rude to do that to your neighbors, especially if any of them are on reverse work schedules, or have sleeping children, or, like in Daniel's case, work from home and require a certain level of shelter from noise. Liking cars is fine. Obnoxiously modding a car and gunning it like that anyplace but at a race track or on an open road is simply disrespectful.

[@KeeliaSilvis]

Who wants to get rid of telaranrhiod or the Ogier or the Tower schism???? What why what WHY??!

[@billyrigby4839]

No, HELL NO, and hmm...maybe...lol

[@patrickmcdonald1505]

Outside of Birgitte, the World of Dreams served as a plot device to give characters information they wouldn't have known otherwise. That should be super obvious when they multiple times used "need" to find things. The need was that of advancing the plot. If the show writers can figure out decent alternatives, then they should absolutely remove it and any other plot devices they can. (both The Ways and Portal Stones were also pretty much plot devices.)

[@merc9nine]

@@patrickmcdonald1505 no they shouldn't. The world of dreams is incredibly important to the story

[@lordofdarkness4204]

Patrick McDonald you realise that that would butcher a lot of the tension during the last battle and would ruin and take away a lot of both Perrin and Egwene’s importance

[@merc9nine]

magic is a plot device. Lets remove magic from the story

[@RichFreeman]

Something you didn't mention isn't so much a plot change but an adaptation challenge: Battles (of any sort). The book has a very Naruto-ish approach to Duels (weapons or the One Power), Battles, Politicking, and so on. A quick example is the Nynaeve/Moghedien duel, with slicing at weaves with shields and so on. A lot of the One Power duels involve shielding and that is going to be hard to show in a battle. Sword fights involve matching Cat-sits-on-the-keyboard against Dog-knocks-over-the-trash and showing that sort of thing without it just being generic fencing is going to be hard. Politics will be easier since there will be more dialogue, though a key part of the book is that nobody trusts anybody and so a lot of the planning happens inside people's heads, but to show that on-screen you'd need to introduce some kind of confidants. A big part of the Rand conflict is that he basically doesn't confide in ANYBODY and I think that would be diluted if he had just this one trusted friend so that the viewer knew what was going on, but that then makes him seem more sane to others, unless you make the pair of them look insane to everybody else. Some of the battles are going to be hard to appreciate without just putting unit squares on a map documentary-style - they were bad enough in print sometimes. Another challenge is that many One Power situations depend on the fact that its use can be more or less visible depending on the characters involved. A non-channeler can't detect weaves at all and so they just see effects without causes. A channeler can see everything going on if they're the same gender as the person channeling, and can see people embracing the source, and can even tell at close range if somebody is a channeler at all (usually). Males can get some sense of female channeling, less specifically. Either gender can potentially interact with weaves of the other and sense something is going on indirectly, sometimes. That is going to be a real challenge to adapt to film, because if you just show everything all the time then you'll have to constantly remind people that not everybody can see what is going on, or remove that plot element entirely (which IMO would de-mystify channelers somewhat which ruins their tense relationship with normal people). Another solution might be to use the POV approach of the book but that isn't very typical in shows (I think), and now the visuals seem inconsistent to a viewer unless you can remind them. Another challenge will be the sheer amount of humor in the narration. You could move it into dialogue, but you get some levity when women in a staring contest are described as trying to "out Aes Sedai each other."

[@calebmauer1751]

Lol, "Cat-sits-on-the-keyboard against Dog-knocks-over-the-trash".

[@bisifen8521]

Old intro

[@HikingPhalkawn]

Just want to throw up a couple of counter points to some of your proposed changes: Merging Gawyn and Galad. Doing this would then set up Galad to be the intended First Prince of the Sword, and given Galad's unbending nature, such a responsibility would have prevented him from ever seeking out and joining up with the Children of the Light, thus removing him from most of his interactions to the west, and his eventual connection to Berelain when the Children and Perrin's followers meet up. Reducing the Forsaken. You say reducing this would prevent the villain of the season feeling, however it would replace it with the undying villain that you defeat in one season and they show up again in another. This turns it into more of a comic book feel, rather than epic fantasy. This all just goes to further the point that Jordan constructed a very detailed, and complicated story with an intricate 'weave' if you will. Pulling on a thread to remove it from the pattern, or tying multiple threads together, results in something that looks completely different from what was originally intended. I totally get what you say about adaptations requiring changes, but hopefully those changes can be minimal, and more focused on the different way of presenting the same content through a different medium. Condensation of story lines is one thing. Elimination or alteration is something else.

[@StarryEyed0590]

But you could just remove the entire concept of First Prince of the Sword, since (besides Gawyn feeling a little guilt over it) it doesn't actually affect Gawyn or Elayne at all once the situation actually comes up.

[@HikingPhalkawn]

@@StarryEyed0590 Plot-wise, no it doesn't. But establishing the world building aspect of the nature of Andor, and the matriarchal ruling model with the supportive, but subservient male figure, it does, and removing that changes part of the landscape against which the plot unfolds. It comes down to how much of the richness that Jordan provided us with is it OK to remove, and how watered down is the result. At what point does it no longer even have the flavor of the fantastic feast that was laid before us, and instead we are left with chain restaurant regular fare.

[@StarryEyed0590]

@@HikingPhalkawn I get your point, but 1) Taking out Gawyn and the First Prince of the Sword concept doesn't change that Andor is a matriarchy or that other male authority figures (like Gareth Byrne) are subservient to the the queen, so it doesn't significantly change Andoran culture. 2) Matriarchies with supporting male figures are ALL OVER WoT, so it's not like tweaking Andor reduces representation or diminishes a unique culture. 3) The whole "First Prince of the Sword" thing feels very inconsistent anyway, because Gareth was technically Morgase's FPotS, but that doesn't stop him getting fired and sent away (granted, Gareth, being incredibly honorable, doesn't retaliate against Morgase the way most men would), and then Gawyn never goes to Elayne at any point whether while she's battling for succession or after she's the acknowledged queen and Elayne never seems bothered by this.

[@ccheyenne]

@@StarryEyed0590 I disagree that Elayne isn't bothered by it, she very much wants Gawyn to come home and take control of her army because 1) That is literally what his entire education was for, it's good intended roll in life 2) Birgitte is really overextended dealing with the Palace Guards and being her Warder and managing the army on top of everything else, plus she's never really had a position of command and even though she's qualified enough it's supposed to be a temporary job for her

[@joeymorris6679]

"phallyicaly challenged" omg I love you daniel XD

[@ashamael]

Here's a change they could make: TAIMANDRED. 1) cuts down on the number of Forsaken 2) gets rid of Shara 3) this was found out to be true from Jordan's notes and later changed (though to be honest, I was glad they were changed to be two separate people)

[@Goku7144]

I agree on quite a few of those points. They need to rewrite Elayne's love story entirely too. This show will not be taken seriously if 2 characters see each other once, then the girl is maddly in love with the guy. They then spend a few days together and they are bound forever. There really needs to be more buildup and more time dedicated to them loving each other for it to feel natural. Not sure I agree on Chara. That was one of the coolest twists at the end to me and could make for some really good content. With the cutting down on Forsaken, if you keep Demandred you have to give him a job. He was incredibly interesting to me while reading because I was always wondering "What is he doing?" The new viewers may get the same feeling, we only have 7 or so and we know what 6 are doing, what is that last guy doing? And if the writers throw in some "Throw-away" lines throughout the show about "Hmm, somethings going on in Chara." and "Chara is incredibly strong. They just got some new leader too." Heavy spoilers but they should edit the final battle entirely and change Trollics. The side of the light felt way underpowered. I don't like Trollics as enemies in the later half of the series because they went from beasts that could fell even blademasters when there was enough, because of their sheer size and strength, to throw-away baddies who could be killed by basically anyone with any weapon. It's going to look stupid if people 5'7 (I assume the average height in pre-industrial world RandLand) are fighting enemies 10 feet tall. Like what? Their reach would decimate your lines in a second and people will just laugh at it. Back to the final battle. Give Demandred a full fight. I don't know how, but maybe get Rand there to fight him before going off to fight the dark one. Demandred is the most powerful of the forsaken by that point, with his armies, An'Greal, and everything, and it felt like Robert Jordan made him too strong to beat so he uhh got arrogant and let Lan kill him? Cool moment, but will feel like a huge let-down on screen as we see this dude eviscerate the battlefield then die 1 on 1. Also, too many dark side enemies, it will feel stupid seeing the light outnumbered 3 to 1 AT LEAST and still be doing okay, even with Mat's amazing tactics. Also yeah, get rid of Gawin. He's a terrible, unlikable, character and Galad fills his role and is 10000x more interesting. The leadup to him being so righteous that he's "evil" to him just turning out to be an okay guy with too good a moral compass was interesting. I may even say up him to main cast level and really dive into his now changing world-view as he deals with the world not being as black/white as he thought it was. I can probably think up more but this is what I got for now.

[@NaeBlis]

Love the video. I disagree on the Forsaken being cut, but agree with you on most of your other points. I have some different ideas on what might need cut, but I love your thinking. Also, congrats on being cast as Olver and I'll be sorry to see your channel go if you do indeed want to go the method acting route to get in to the part. :)

[@Violetsoul6]

Are you also planning on stopping your videos to get into the role of Narg?

[@NaeBlis]

I already look like Narg

[@loriannwhite8384]

Nae'Blis Its your turn to do a video on what should be cut.

[@Violetsoul6]

@@NaeBlis Sure sure, yes you definitely look the part, but I would really like for you to dig really deep and bring out the essence of Narg. Get into his psyche. He is a very important part.

[@knighthawk3749]

What did I miss? Isn't Daniel too old and too pretty to play Olver?

[@artos607]

Commenting on every video until Pips hosts fantasy news video #17

[@TheKyfe]

Personally, regarding the LGTB stuff, I don't think they should add a whole lot more too it. I think they should just emphasize what's already there and lessen the ambiguity, (which a screen can do with visuals much better than innuendo on paper).

[@whiteferret2605]

Why focus or highlight one's sexuality in a series that didn't? That's like making a big deal of people who prefer certain foods the 98% majorty don't. If the series didn't then dont.

[@kobaphillips4104]

I can't wait for this show and all the new readers.

[@DrLynch2009]

The show is moving thing(sic) really fast. WoT will finally be reprinted for the spanish speaking marked, for the first time in over a decade.

[@M0i100]

If the tower schism was condensed into one or two seasons it would actually be pretty good. But blood and bloody ashes was there no need to have it be like 6 books long! I personally don't think any of the Forsaken should be cut, some of their roles could be condensed though. For instanse, At the end of EOTW instead of having Balthemel and Aginor show up, only the former should show up. We know most of Balthemel's character in the books based on his personality as Aran'gar, and we know Aginor pretty much only as Dashiva so there really is no need to kill him twice. Maybe don't kill Lanfear when she's trapped with the Finn in order to avoid actor confusion? Moraine didn't die, why should she?

[@ccheyenne]

Moridin killed Lanfear to get her out of the land of the Aelfinn and Eelfinn I'm pretty sure. Since resurrection is a thing with the Forsaken it was a way to punish her without losing her as a player

[@aarondimoff5180]

No Daniel. No. Don't "crank up the LGBTQ". Show what's written. Be unashamed of Halima, pillow buddies, and whatever LGBTQ things are there already. "Get Woke, go Broke" is a real thing nowadays Daniel. If you "crank it up", you'll turn the focus of the entire show to the LGBTQ people. Nobody cares about that. Literally.

[@waltgrisly509]

Exactly. I get it, they exist and I have no problem with them existing. I dont like them, I dont hate them, they just exist (just like any other people in the world that i dont know personally). Embrace what is in the books, but please dont give them any more attention than that. People are intrested in the plot, not in who is fucking with whom and how they do it.

[@godking_ginge]

Felt organic in the books. Crank it up and shove it down everyone's throats and it no longer will.

[@jefe2112]

Yup. It's a diverse, colorful world. Have them all in there and represented, but don't force extra focus on it. "Cranking it up," can quickly become "ALL White Men Bad!!!"

[@antonioiglesias2031]

@@jefe2112 It'll be okay, all white men are not bad. I don't think they gonna change it so much that the literal savior of the world will not be a hetro red-headed white guy.

[@RobinHood70]

I always thought Gawyn and Galad were both very different in Sanderson's three books than how they were presented in the first 11, almost inverted in their roles in some ways. Gawyn goes from making the wrong decisions for very understandable reasons to just plain making inane decisions, while Galad goes from an almost sociopathic rules-oriented person who cares for nobody's feelings except the girl he wants to have sex with to a responsible, mature commander. (I know, not everyone agrees with these assessments...YT is probably not the place to have that discussion and it's already been had repeatedly on Discord.) I like the idea of merging them into one person, though! You can then get rid of some of their stupider traits that serve no real purpose in the story and at the same time, fix what I see as the different visions of the characters in the last three books compared to the rest of the series. The one possible problem with that might be events that require Galadwyn to be in two places at once.

[@errtu123]

Sociopahtic? Rules obsessed? Galad? Where did you get that from?

[@RobinHood70]

@@errtu123 Like I said, YT really isn't the place for the discussion, but even in the very first scene we see him (I think), Elayne and Min talk about how unfeeling he is, and that he only ever does what he considers to be right without any concern for anyone else. There are a couple of exceptions, but for most of the first 11 books, that's how he's presented.

[@errtu123]

@@RobinHood70 personally, I think Galad is largely misunderstood and more importantly misrepresented. In the early books we see Galad through very skewed viewpoints. However if we detach ourselves from those viewpoints, we can see a morally good character. Just take a look at first scene Galad is in from Galad's view. An unknown, armed stranger just broke into the Palace grounds and somehow managed to sway your brother and sister. Is calling the guards on such a suspicious individual really sociopathic? I'd say it is perfectly reasonable. But yeah, yt is probably not the place for such a discussion

[@RobinHood70]

@@errtu123 That was the gist of the last discussion on the Discord server. I haven't read the early books in quite a while, and it's likely to be a while before I read them again, but next time I do, I'll be looking out for those sorts of things when it comes to Galad. The one big sticking point for me is that Min appears to have a viewing of him, or at least that's some people's interpretation of it, and then goes on to say that she *knows* what he's like and she can't help being attracted to him anyway. I'll see what I think of that whole thing the next time.

[@Sara866873]

Aaaa the intro is back!

[@420jturner]

Either Cut Eliane and Rand love story or make them spend way more time together. They spend 5 days together in the whole series.

[@loriannwhite8384]

John Turner Cut it All out. Two of the three sister-wives are boring. Min is the other.

[@StarryEyed0590]

Aviendha is fine on her own, but gets dragged down to Elayne's level when they are together (which is most of her later plotlines), but she really doesn't have much chemistry with Rand. (It's downright awkward when she reunites with him towards the end when he's been in an actual functional relationship with Min for months). I'd personally just like to see the romances with Elayne and Aviendha treated as short-lived relationships that happened, and then ended.

[@Mhidraum]

@@StarryEyed0590 Thank you! I think all of the love-square stuff is cringy and awkward.

[@Limpshot_McGee]

I understand your desire for more LGBT characters, but for the love of god, pick ANYONE but Elayne and Aviendha. *SPOILERS* I don't know exactly how Aiel first-sisters work, but in a way a relationship between Elayne and Aviendha would basically be incestuous.

[@samanthafield8754]

switching this from a first-sister ceremony to a magical handfasting ceremony would be ridiculously easy, though.

[@Jymbo6511]

@@samanthafield8754 The First-Sister is such a major part of Aiel culture. Messing with it would be breaking apart Aiel culture. I may be wrong but isn't a handfasting ceremony basically a wedding style? Like they did in Braveheart? First sister isn't a marriage of the two women as I understand it.

[@w8ing4someday]

I agree completely. Egwene and Elayne would be fine though. :o)

[@Jay-kx4jf]

Could just make it first sisters can be sometimes lover and sometimes not within the Aiel. Gives more flexibility.

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

@@Jay-kx4jf No. They are literally perceived as having come from the same womb.

[@altoguy16499]

As someone why just got to "Fires of Heaven" in my first read through, one change I would make is the inner party bickering. Most of the time it ends up being "silly men, they dont know what they're doing" or "we cant let the girls be doing this, they dont know the consequences" and both sides end up acting as wool headed as the other side. Some makes sense, such as Tohm(spelling? I listen to the audiobooks) not trusting anything from the aes sedai, but even between the two rivers folk, it just starts getting a little annoying when both sides are like "we're doing this" and it feels like the other side is arguing for the sake of arguing

[@anthonycrayne2835]

It's Thom.

[@RichFreeman]

I have mixed feelings. Some of this might not hurt at the start just to allow some character growth. I was really annoyed plodding through all of that in the book, but on the other hand I think writers tend to under-do character flaws, especially with female characters, which can make them one-dimensional. If there is a smarter way to go about it, though, I'm all for it. And you could certainly lighten it up. And the whole Rand trope with the let-me-abandon-my-friends-to-protect-them thing just gets so tired. Maybe if they did it once, well, and he learned from it that might be something.

[@Dunstan9]

On the Shadans. While I understand, and even *kind* of agree with, your reasoning for wanting to get rid of them... They're sort of *needed* for plot reasoning... Hell, in truth the plot actually needs MORE of them. Like a LOT more of them. What I mean is, the Shadow... is out numbered. Hopelessly so. Sure, it has it's endless army of Trollocs, which is all fine and good, but... Without channelers, it doesn't matter. They're all just more meat to go into the grinder. One *single* clan of Aiel had over four hundred channelers. Even IF that "just so happened" to be the most any one clan ended up having, all the clans together should have well over *four thousand* channelers... And that is JUST the Aiel. Put simply... Even if the Shadow found *three* Callandor level sa'angreal, there just aren't enough channeling Darkfriends to put up a real fight Vs the forces of the Light... Like it isn't even close. Thus, the Shadow had to call in backup... Only, BS really messed the numbers up in AMoL, and caused seemingly over half the forces of the Light to vanish into thin air. Apparently not even bothering to show up for the Last Battle itself. The Sea Folk and the Aiel in particular practically sent nothing but a token force of channelers to the Last Battle. Also, as the Last Battle is largely about the world choosing whether or not to end the Wheel, the Shadans also serve the role of non-Darkfiends that are fighting to end it.

[@SirZeu]

i think you underestimate the strength in power the forsaken have. they are not only miles ahead of the basic channeler. they are on a whole different planet. its easy to get it wrong because in the book the channeler we follow are pretty much the strongest channelers the world has seen in centuries and even them could not face a forsaken without trickery or insanely powerful angrial.

[@Dunstan9]

@@SirZeu A lot better trained, sure... But we're talking about them going up against *literally* hundreds of full circles, AND a Callandor level sa'angreal. To say nothing of all the other stuff. Hell, we're not even talking about "them". Rather we're talking about "him" for the most part, with a few others beating around the edges. The Shadow is... Simply out gunned in that fight. The greater skill might make the Light bleed a little, but the Forsaken would still juts end up getting crushed by the difference in numbers. It is Sharans that are there to make up the difference, but like I said, BS just got the numbers screwed up.

[@Firearrow5235]

Now... I love Gawyn. As a character I find him fascinating because he's essentially the guy who, though he is a morally good person, he constantly ends up on the wrong side of a given situation. On top of that I just like a good tragedy, and Gawyn's story is tragic in my eyes. That being said, I don't think that's the kind of character that TV watchers are interested in seeing. Removing him would also allow the writers to play up Egwene's difficulties with interpersonal relationships, which is a cool bit of irony given that her father is an innkeeper, arguably one of the most interactive careers out there. And on the topic of the Forsaken and a "villain per season" feel. *SPOILERS* Each of the first 5 books and book 7 ends with Rand taking out at least one of the Forsaken. I noticed this pattern pretty early in my first read through, and found myself actively considering "Oh, I wonder which Forsaken is going to get taken out in this book?". Because of this, I think it would actually be more faithful to the books for the first couple of seasons to have a main villain each i.e. Ba'alzamon for S1, Be'lal for S2, Asmodean for S3. The way you could cut down on the role of the Forsaken is to filter all of their machinations through these main villains.

[@925263]

Switch Lanfear to season 2's villain, but have Bel'al appear, too. Asmodean is too ineffectual to be the main villain, but his fight against Rand can be the mid-season finale, with Graendal + Sammael taking over after that.

[@Mad_Mulligan]

Honestly, rather than cutting the Forsaken down, I feel like they should be played up more. For me, having the Forsaken out there, doing their own thing, making their own alliances and betrayals among themselves, really helped differentiate the Dark One's forces from Sauron's in the Lord of the Rings. But that's just my hot take.

[@waltgrisly509]

I think there should definitely be Sharans, ogier, and all other cultures. It would nicely show that 1. it is a huge pain in the ass to get different cultures work together even in dire need, 2. the world is a vast place with lots of different people that most of the time dont like each other and thats the way world works 3. when shit hits the fan, everybody is affected no matter how much they try to deny it.

[@SirZeu]

the problem with the sharans is that from a show point of view they come out of no-where. at no point in the story do they go to shara. they talk about rumors and until the end the most we know about them is that they trade silk on the coast. having this huge battle planned with then they just show up pretty much makes its reverse ghost from return of the king. they come out of no-where and are 10x more powerful they the light channeler. they instead should just be darkfriend from the blight

[@waltgrisly509]

@@SirZeu There is a reason why they dont go to shara - nobody ever came back from there so they stopped trying a long time ago. Seanchans appeared the same way, but since it was earlier in the story (and they didnt lose immediately) we got to know them. I think it can be justified, but creators are afraid that viewers are too stupid to understand that in a world like this, you dont have information about everything going on. We basically dont know what is going on in the blight (except that there is "bad guy army") and nobody complains. Why would it be so hard to accept that there is this nation that sides with the dark because of demandred´s trickery ?

[@StarryEyed0590]

@@waltgrisly509 We don't complain about the Blight because the vague idea we have (wasteland where the bad guy army hangs out) turns out to jive with all the specifics we are ever shown. With Shara, there's only a few mentions of it ever, with no Sharan characters and no foreshadowing at all that a Forsaken is involved there, before all of the sudden they show up as a last minute army. With a series as huge and convoluted as WoT, it's more than possible to not even be aware there is such a place as Shara when the reveal happens. It's not that we didn't expect that distant places might have stuff going on that we don't know about. It's that an important plot element (especially one that happens halfway through the LAST book in a 14/15 book series) would have previously been set-up in some way and not come out of completely nowhere. It's a writing problem, not a world-building problem, but it IS a problem. There should either be better foreshadowing (so the viewer goes "Oh crap, I forgot all about those guys!" instead of going "Wait... what???") or they should be removed. Personally, I'm partial to reviving the "Taim was Demandred the whole time" theory.

[@princess20-sideddie95]

@@StarryEyed0590 I feel like that could be a fairly easy fix. Instead of the Sharans always being closed to outsiders, have them say that they've just recently shut people out, trade deals are going unmet, etc. It provides good reason for the rumours, a good indication that something is going on there, something that just so happened to start at the same time as everything else around the dragon reborn, and yet still keeps them off-screen and out of the plot until they suddenly aren't. Maybe even have some cryptic messages from them like the reason why they've shut everyone out is to "better serve the Dragon" which we would hear about after the world knows Rand is the dragon. So we think they're referring to Rand, but it also make no sense, since serving Rand would not mean closing themselves off. Especially if we also, closer to the end, find out Rand has sent an envoy and that envoy got killed trying to enter Shara. All this sets up the ending without fundamentally changing anything from the books.

[@StarryEyed0590]

@@princess20-sideddie95 Yeah, that would be a really smart way to handle it. The whole "Shara is cutting themselves off from the world" could seem to be just one symptom of the general unrest and turmoil going on in the world, while actually being foreshadowing

[@devendietrich3445]

CRANK UP THE LGBTQ REPRESENTATION GUYS! CRANK IT UP. lmao. This is the kind of stuff that makes people irritated with a platform. How about just match the proportion and distribution to realistic levels.... Why even make this a thing. Its like constantly picking a scab. Please just stfu about it and more than likely nobody will complain about LGBTQ inclusion in the story as long as its believable.

[@theatheistpaladin]

I am not sold on removing Gawyn Trakand. I liked that he was apart of Dumai's wells, and that he was conflicted about Rand, and that he became Egwene's Wardner.

[@Firearrow5235]

And *SPOILER* single-handedly fights off three bloodknives in Egwene's bedchamber while she's in the WoD fighting Mesaana.

[@timsgilable]

I would add a reaction to the source being cleansed. I was disappointed that the books didn't have that.

[@rikgales123]

Hey mate, i only have a little thing to say about the lgbt part of the vid. I'm more than oké with it but the elanye avienda bit made it so much more for me because they loved each other in a non sexual way. I vindt it Some what anoing sometimes you cant love someone without Sex being a part of it. But outside of that everybody must have gotten Some lesbian vibes from the aiel from there very first introduction so to see that would be cool.

[@donnasprague767]

I don't think there's a reason to exagorate what may or may not have been the case regarding LGBT . There is value in ambiguity.

[@sirgog]

I think the LGBT relationships should be handled the same way as the straight ones. The 'ambiguous' straight relationships are unambiguously resolved - Thom and Moiraine being the one that comes to mind. As Daniel states, there's no cannon examples of homophobic attitudes being held in-world beyond one Aes Sedai disapproving of Elaida and Meidani hooking up; and even that could be for any number of reasons. GoT got this really right. There's characters that are straight (most of them), there's some that are LGBT, and there's both sympathetic AND asshole characters in both groups. None of them are reduced to who they sleep with.

[@waltgrisly509]

Exactly. Dont make it Wheel of gaysex. Actually, no sex at all, there is porn for that shit. I want to see plot, no fucken lemons.

[@wolfhawkpk86]

I agree to an extent on the Gayness of characters. The fact that 'pillow friends' can become a real bi/lesbuan relationship is fine, but it should be ingrained in the cultural aspects that feed the non-straight relations. I would love for them to make these things just feel natural and not thrown in our faces (diversity for the sake of diversity). As long as they aren't just adding random love scenes with no apparent context...I want this stuff to mean something more than ratings candy.

[@brent9355]

I think any overt LGBT representation would be untrue to the source material. Pillow friends were the worse kept secret of any tower resident. Let people interpret the concept how they want. It's more organic that way.

[@Jonnybear84]

I'm just gonna throw my 2 pennies in regarding your comments on the LGBTQ aspects, I think that if there are those elements there in the story with certain characters then they should absolutely not shy away from portraying it, if that's how Jordan wrote it then that's how it should be portrayed and ideally it would feel natural within the shows context and not feel like it's being forced for diversities sake. I always think of diversity as being like chocolate, chocolate is nice, I like it alot, but it doesn't need to be on a plate next to a steak where it wouldn't make any sense if you know what I mean. I'm sure I've just offended one of the pc brigade with that analogy lol but this is internet so..... /shrug

[@aarondimoff5180]

What we absolutely cannot risk, is this series becoming the flagship project for "Woke fantasy". Because if it starts that way, every season will get fucking woker and woker until the Last Battle is fought not against the Dark One, but against straight white men, the Wheel is an allegory for Patriarchy, and Rand has gender reassignment surgery in Knife of Dreams, (lol).

[@joryboyd3465]

You'll notice that every one of the comments about increasing the role of the LGBTQ community in the series is followed up how beneficial it will be for the LGBTQ community. The rationale is never that it will make the story better. I don't think the adaptation should shy away from anything Jordan hinted at or alluded to. However, I don't think the WoT should just be a vehicle for activism but it seems more and more likely it will be that way. I don't know why people insist on changing established stories just for activism's sake. Why can't we just have the Wheel of Time as it is written? I can feel that the LGBTQ community is underrepresented and also feel that any political activism attached to WoT will shift the focus of the story to something different.

[@aarondimoff5180]

Correct sir. Sacrifice the wants of the 99% to appeal to the less than 1%, because the rest of us are the "enemies" anyway.

[@bradleygriffeth4403]

Sure turn it into social justice diversity of time because that has worked so well so far.

[@casinferneycf45]

Whoa whoa whoa. Elane and Avihenda are not Bi.

[@RRSmurf]

Apparently going through a ceremony that essentially makes them sisters helps represent the incestuous out there. Gotta represent, yo.

[@TheSixOfSwords]

They should make the actors who audition make a character sheet for the character they intend to play. See how people perceive a characters abilities and personality

[@AngryGoats555]

Not everyone in the show is a mega fan. They’re just actors.

[@TheSixOfSwords]

@@AngryGoats555 But for the people who are fans

[@ssmmav10]

I am all for changing Elayne’s role. Her whole storyline is too much about royal privilege and may not go down well in today’s time. Also 3 GFs for main character and the fact that she spends barely 5 days with him across 2.5+ years and is still portrayed as his principal love interest is unrealistic in today’s times. She could be a character on her own, independent of Rand. Her Andoran Throne storyline is a series of blunders and can be completely skipped. Instead she can be Pevara’s counterpoint in Salidar faction with the two women ultimately joining forces to help the Black Tower. Besides Brigette she can have a BT warder ... Aviendha can sleep with Rand after Egwyne’s departure, then believe that she needs to reconcile with Egwyne (and so travel with Mat) go with Elayne to Ebou Dar at Egwyne’s request because of her Terangreal detection ability (to find Bowl of Winds) and then return to reconcile with Min before deciding to do First Sister ceremony with her

[@ThunderTaco206]

Totally in agreement with all of this. I think we could really pair the forsaken down to the dive who actually help drive critical character development via conflict with the Emond's Fielders. Ishamael, Lanfear, Asmodean, and Moghidien. And really, you could potentially make Graendal and Moghidien into one character.

[@Dragonklus]

Most of the Foresaken interaction is pretty short, especially if adapted to film. These could be used as an entry into an episode or a finale to an episode.

[@thomasthompson3227]

Wherever I look on the internet, people are begging Rafe not to turn The Wheel of Time into another Shannara or Seeker. What made these shows bad, besides the acting? The very fact that the writers changed the story. Therefore, it drives me nuts to see people clamoring to cut Faile, the Shaido, The Forsaken, or even Shara. Some people are desperate to see the sexual orientation or gender changed of the characters. (Before you freak out, I am not saying that homosexuality is bad, or having a transgender is bad.) What I am trying to say, is that every change the writers make is like throwing a rock into a pond. The bigger the rock, the bigger the ripples that spread through the story changing the story until all we are left with is another Shannara or Seeker that gets canceled quickly. Have we already forgotten the message of the last battle between Rand and the Dark One? Rand and the Dark One spend time changing to the story to fit their own image over and over countering each other’s changes. Rand doesn’t win until he realizes that each time the Dark One changes things the story is pulled in the direction that few want, and destroys the story that is being told. Like-wise, when Rand is changing the story, he realizes that he is pulling the story away from the story that people have come to love. Rand finally realizes that he has to leave the story alone in order to win. Every time that one of us wants to change the story to fit our “better” version of the story, we are assaulting someone else’s story with Balfire, burning threads from the pattern. Rafe and his team have a very tough job translating the book to tv form. Each change, each cut, each thing they add will alter the story in some way, and their job is to make sure that the ripples from that change are minimal. For example, turning Lan into a woman could be very interesting, just make Nynaeve a lesbian and we are fine right? However, having Lan be a woman will take away from the interesting side affects realized later in the book when the first female warder is bonded. If Moraine has a female warder, all the pitfalls will be known and it would change some very fun plots later on. That would be some unintentional big ripples. Now what about removing Aram? If we take Aram out of every scene he is in, there will be very little change to the story at all, until after his death. Aram’s impact is shown through Perrin’s thought process when he is forging his hammer. With each blow of the hammer, Perrin pulls together the threads of his life and those around him to finally become the leader he is meant to be. The problem is, how do you convey Perrin’s thought process during this iconic scene? This is a challenge that Rafe is going to have to face, should he cut that scene, change it? Frankly, if it were me making the decision, I would start the scene with Perrin being in the wolf dream and making a dream Hopper to talk to. Then, while Perrin is explaining what happened, he can pull his thoughts together with Hopper as a sounding board. We can then watch Perrin forge the hammer. Right before Perrin names the hammer, he can have a heartfelt good by with his dream Hopper, and then cut back to the naming of the hammer. This would allow the audience to see and hear Perrin’s transformation and say good bye to a friend. I think it would be an even more emotional scene than it is in the books. This would also make Aram’s presence throughout the TV series more meaningful. Rafe has the weight of the pattern on his shoulders, and should he change the story too much, he could very well destroy the story for millions of people. Oh well, here is a pat on the head, and go back to your own little world, and just enjoy the books you love for the tv series is not for you. In my opinion the less the before mentioned is said, the better. The only way to avoid it would be to make sure that you think very carefully on what is cut, changed, and added.

[@samanthafield8754]

Stark married a completely different person in the show than in the books, and the Game of Thrones adaptation did just fine. The TV show is going to be different. Either accept that now and be happy or refuse to watch the show and be happy.

[@aidenlowry9012]

I just finished the tenth book of wot, and did not want this video to end, and I agree to everything you said against the “people” that want different kinds of elements ejected from the wheel of time whole. Look forward to seeing more of you’re videos when I finish wot!

[@SirZeu]

honestly i am part of the minority of people that think they could make it almost word of word and i would be happy.

[@scottchasney8124]

Agreed!

[@stubbs6996]

I agree on everything you said. I'd only add, let's also condense the Faile Shaido kidnapping!

[@Harldin]

Chris Jamieson I would cut it out full stop, doesn’t really serve any real purpose especially the length of it.

[@Loomx5]

@@Harldin it gives Perrin something to do that helps develop his leadership/command skills. Thats literally the whole point in that arc. But yeah you could have dropped that section down massively. It didn't need to lastas long as it did.

[@TheGlitchyCorgi]

That's "The Slog"

[@block4562]

A bi relationship between Elayne and Aviendha feels like borderline incest, especially after their ceremony

[@block4562]

However, lesbian aes sedai, especially amongst the red, makes absolute sense. Also polyamorous greens (we all know how those greens are)

[@cookiediangelo8511]

In that case, they should change the first sister ceremony to some kind of friendship ceremony. That way it stays and doesn't feel weird. I personally think that in the books, the two did not have romantic chemistry, but I think they should give them that in the show bec: 1) representation 2) it just makes the rand relationship less uncomfortable for a lot of people

[@finchbird2419]

Their ceremony is them getting married, duh

[@travisrafferty7804]

@@finchbird2419 this right here. First sisters marry a single husband all the time in aiel culture. They aren’t blood sisters, they are closer than friends.

[@forceofchaos1]

Do NOT crank up LGBT. Leave the 2019 politics out of it. I dont see the point having your sexuality on display, most people dont care what you're into. As long as it's not on the forefront liKe other series (Batwoman) and more like Game of Thrones it'll be fine.

[@felipegonzales5575]

I mean it alluded to a few times in books so its not out of the blue. The author had it in there

[@Tyevic]

No to the LQB whatever. I do not want our world shoehorned into his book. I have no problem if the character was that way in the book but I am tired of all the modern movies are ruined because they are shoving politics into it. I want to see the worlds politics and diversity not our world crammed in there.

[@JasonMDockins]

Tyevic the fact that you didn’t take the care or time to get the acronym correct (and threw in a “whatever”) shows that you are wildly uncaring of the struggles the queer community goes through on a daily basis. Choosing to include characters of a diverse backgrounds is not political, it’s simply respecting that all of our fellow human beings deserve representation in popular media as it fosters understanding for those who may be viewed as different or strange or wrong. If a projects ‘insistence’ or respecting diversity ruins it for you then the first place you need to look is yourself and challenge why that is.

[@Tyevic]

@@JasonMDockins And do you know the actual statistics for the percentage of people who are in that group? Lets just say if you accurately depicted the amount with the same percentage in movies you would be lucky to get 1 or 2 in a movie. But all of that is moot once again I want to see his world come alive with its own politics and lifestyles not ours. I watch movies and shows to escape from the everyday world not to be slammed in the face by it. But don't worry I am sure they are going to do what you want like all of Hollywood has done. Its sad but it is the way they think. No longer do they make challenging creative new movies they just rehash old stuff, shove politics in it and call it done.

[@coltseavers6298]

If you think that Jordan was shy about sex scenes, then you haven't read his historical fiction - Fallon Blood series. It will remind you a bit of GRRM.

[@THX-bz8bi]

I herd he stop putting that in his books because he was christian.

[@KeeliaSilvis]

Me, reading the title: Completely remove Gawyn. Bc eff Gawyn. UPDATE: Ahaha, Daniel agrees! I knew I loved Daniel for a reason.

[@andrewsoderquist1173]

Ok, but Mat's fight with Gawyn and Galad is one of the coolest scenes of the early books. If he's removed, they better find a way to preserve the awesomeness of that scene.

[@topherak8450]

@@andrewsoderquist1173 They could have him fight Galad and a warder in training.

[@DrDune]

The white tower conflict IS the WOT! Villains are defeated, hero's are born and dragons are slain both literally and metaphorically in every story its why we love fantasy....but the reason RJ wrote this series is to EXPLORE a relatively realistic or at least fresh take on how pro/antagonists come across their new found power or lack of power. The conflict between tradition, law, morality and realistic results is the allure of this series. Kingdoms fall because of pride and living legends are struck frozen with fear not because of shadow spawn but because of the expectations they may never live up to. I hated Ingtar until I didint. I hated Mazrim until I didnt. That internal conflict and shift in perspective is concentrated and personified in the white tower conflict. IMHO I dont want the Ogier to look like giant gnomes with furry elf ears Id rather them be a little more beast like especially since normies apparently always confuse them for Trollocs. Certain combos need to be done flawlessly, the relationship of Min and Perrin for example is one of my favorites in fact I hated that Perrin wasnt the MC in the first 3 books and then from 4-7 i wished Mat was. I kinda maybe absolutely without a doubt hated the eye of the world portion in the beginning but if the budget is what im hoping it is it could be better on screen.

[@spicer1226]

Stranger Things Season Two has a version of The World of Dreams done well. I think they should start there, then add in manipulation of matter and space, and it'll be pretty good

[@itzazkii6343]

Season three was kinda like an alternative history of the bore to the dark one's prison in the age of legends

[@jeffsizemore6377]

Rafe has already talked about it being accessible to everyone. Meaning they are gonna cool it on the nudity sex scene stuff. Which I agree with. Keep it how it is mentioned in the books. Don’t go the “sex sells” way. Keeping the LGBTQ stuff is probably mandatory because it is talked about a decent amount, but by no means should it be “ramped up” to be more than it was. You’re only appealing to a minority and it will just get bad light. Same reason Disney is kind of holding off. The masses aren’t quite ready for that. I think you are spot on about the rest though. Except maybe gawyn. My wife cries during his section of the end... every time 😂 I can’t wait to see how this show is adapted!

[@Don_n_2D]

I disagree about Shara. One thing I really want to see from this series is what isn't in the books, i.e. Seanchen, Shara, Tremalking, etc. We know what happens in the books, but it would really expand the world and give the series a lot of liberties to play with while keeping the story line. I would like to see them fully develop some characters frim those lands who are just briefly mentioned in the books.

[@ak47grizzly]

Congratulations on getting the Olver role

[@cookiediangelo8511]

What do you mean "Oliver role"?

[@jodiz5901]

By the way, Rand's relationship with his three women is not polygamy because they are NOT MARRIED. They relationships are polyamorous, which everyone seems okay with. Also, are they going to do away with actual polygamy among the Aiel? After, Rand is half Aiel, and he does try to understand and adapt Aiel customs to some extent, so just make him embrace more of his Aiel heritage and leave the whole love triangle alone. Or if they have to, let Aviendha have another romantic relationship to try and forget her feelings for Rand. The neat thing about Rand loving all three of the women is that they are each SO different from each other.

[@Spllyn]

The show should play out just like the books, flaws and all. Imo I feel what your saying, and even wanna agree with you. But I wanna see the world I know, come to life not a portal stone version of it.

[@signaltome]

You know, I don't think I have any ideas for changes other than if they DO change things it is still recognizable BUT I realized something. Adapting the first three or four books is fairly easy but everything really ramps up after that. After the Dragon is established and the other super boys and girls are well on their way it ALL BLOWS UP and they are all over the place. As in lots of interesting things happen and out main and side and foe characters are everywhere across Randland. ;-) I SO hope it goes well and that the series is consistent over all x season and no cancellations please... :-D

[@DMR013]

Two of the subplots that can be cut and will have minimal effect on the story: first, the whole Rodel Iturdale campaign in Saldea. Though two great scenes will be cut: the leader of Maradon being exposed as secret darkfriend, and when the Saldeans saved Rodel from being overrun again by forces of the dark. Second, will be the side adventure that Rand, Hurin, and Loial go with Selene through the Portal stones. The world they visited was interesting but if cut I don't see much effect on the overall story.

[@lisascankdealejo6447]

The only real difference that would make would Rand meeting Lanfear (Selene) and learning about the portal stones and how they work. I suppose he could just learn about them from a book in Tear though. I really liked Hurin though and that time sort of forced Rand's initial step-up as a leader similar to Perrin's side quest in the Two Rivers did for him. Ugh I'm conflicted

[@DMR013]

@@lisascankdealejo6447 personally I would like them to cut nothing out. Though thinking about it they seem to be the only two, not mentioned by Daniel, that can be cut and the main plot can go on without a hitch.

[@lisascankdealejo6447]

@@DMR013 I know what you mean. I would gladly watch a 15 year show series on this just so everything could get on screen (I've sat through 15 years of supernatural so why not my favorite book series, right?). I'd imagine he didn't mention it just because it takes up so little time that other stuff easily overshadows it.

[@kmk1225]

You know what shouldn't change? Your intro, it rocks.

[@aessedai23]

I love ❤️ your change suggestions!

[@jacksons6377]

No! That scene where the Sharans show up during the last battle is one of my favorite scenes in the entire series :( Other than that, I agree with everything you said. I could see why they would cut Gawyn, though it would break my heart. In my opinion he’s the most realistic and relatable character in the entire series. (Because he’s such a fuckup).

[@w8ing4someday]

Thank you, I actually Love Gawyn's character, Egwene gets on my nerves at times though. I do not care for Galad he's so vanilla.

[@Siansonea]

I still don't think that cutting the number of Forsaken is the way to go. Some of them exist for just a few scenes, but the number of them adds to the sense of dread. Which ones do you cut? All of the female Forsaken are crucial to the story. And you can't very well combine any of them. So is it the five women plus Ishamael and Asmodean? Combine Galad and Gawyn? How about just cut Gawyn, or have him killed early in the story. I agree that Egwene doesn't need a love interest. And yeah, I don't care about the Ogier. They can go. But I feel about the Forsaken the way you feel about the Ogier. So if you get to keep your Ogier, I get to keep my Forsaken. Deal?

[@mafxarr8776]

Siansonea Orande Dashiva can definitely be cut. I forgot if he was Osangar or Arangar pre-resurrection , probably Osangar. Never cared for the Ogier, but I want to see the Ways. I guess it could still be incorporated in some way, perhaps using records left behind by the now-extinct race of Ogiers

[@primroan5354]

The show is going to be woke, I just hope it's not to drastic degrees - which judging from your comments what we consider drastic will be quite different. Personally I feel more than like half the entire book being from a female perspective is great in and of itself. Having some stuff here and there is fine, but it shouldn't detract from the overall themes and stories of light vs shadow. The other thing. They need to keep the strict differences between women and men regarding the power. Women and men are DIFFERENT. Saidin and Saidar are DIFFERENT. I just finished listening to the Eye of the World audiobook for the first time and was pleasantly surprised to hear a interview from Robert Jordan at the end of it. There, he stressed the difference he wanted to convey. He said something along the lines of a woman teaching a man about Saidin would be like a goldfish teaching a bird how to fly. It adds so much mystery and captivation with the magic to the show, and also actually helps representation. People pay much more attention to the women for the first part of the series (and probably show) simply because 95% of the channeling going on is from the female perspective. We get Saidin from Rand's perspective, true - but it still makes for a great moment (and accounts for like 75% of the shock...btw) when the Ashaman finally do their thing at Dumai's Wells. Some might call those differences in the book sexist, especially in some ways they are described. If these differences are smoothed over in any strong way - I'm out. It's such an important part of the story, a source for so much conflict, and stressed even in the books that the most beautiful and powerful things made with the One Power were from the female source and the male source coming together. The effect can't have the same meaning if both sides of the Yin Yang are gray.

[@thedragonreborn7444]

Cleansing of the taint.....phrasing!!

[@mygad]

I'm sure Robert Jordan is sad that you weren't there to rewrite his series for him the 'right way'. Yeah, I'll wait until you've written your books and they are as popular before I listen to you telling Robert Jordan what he should have written.

[@loriannwhite8384]

Gilbert Davis I believe he is just giving his opinion of what Will be cut. 14 books & a prequel. No way is everything that is in the books, will end up on the small screen. No need to be rude.

[@kll90922]

Gilbert Davis that is a childish attitude. First the books are not perfect and have some really sloe moments ( like hundreds of pages) . Also he is talking about the adaptation. You cant put everything from the books on tv the same way because it doesnt work like that. If they make entire episodes where the cahracters run and run again for 3 hours people will get bored . And if there a season is not successful , the series is over. So they need to make changes and i am really happy that some youtubers and big fans of the series like Daniel try to give some advice.

[@mygad]

@@kll90922 Feel free to have your opinion. I gave my opinion. I'll leave the childish remarks to you.

[@jodiz5901]

If there is no Gawyn, would Galad be Elayne's natural brother instead of half brother and be her Prince of the Sword? And HE be Egwene's warder then? I would be quite happy if he didn't join the Whitecloaks. I don't see any reason Egwene needs to have a romance at all. She's too busy being Amyrllin. I don't know how I feel about reducing the number of Forsaken. How about just not reincarnating them once they are killed? I'd be happy with that. Four of them are taken out in the first 3 books; that brings it down to 9 already. I totally disagree that a romantic relationship between Elayne and Aviendha is hinted at. It's easy to see stuff like that if you're looking for it, but they become FIRST SISTERS. That would then be like incest, which is worse by far than polygamy. LGBTQ representation is one thing, but the way everyone is talking about it, I'm really beginning to feel like it's going to all up in our faces, which I think hurts, not helps the show. YES! Condense the slog! But I would not like to see less of Perrin. Surely there is something else he can do. And by all means, don't make him seem so whipped by Faile!! Also, he seems to retain more feelings of friendship toward Rand than Mat does, and feels empathy toward him because he knows what it's like to suddenly be different and for people to dislike and be scared of him because of it. I would like to see that brought out more.

[@chriszorander9333]

Forsaken. Truly necessary: Ishamael/Moridin, Lanfear, Moghedien and Asmodean. Can be combined: Rahvin, Demandred, Sammael, Semirhage, Mesaana and Graendal. Discard: Aginor, Balthamel & Be'lal.

[@mathew4942]

I agree with the LGBTQ thing to a certain point. Make it a good story and make it make sense. If its dont only for the sake of inclusion it will turn alot of people off of the show including myself.

[@dismission6197]

Yeah I agree with that like having people in it just to have them in it will make me not want to watch it, I feel like it should just be one of those things that, because it is a older time, is kind of just something that someone is but don't change any of the main characters. If they make any of the main characters LGBTQ I think I would be turned away.

[@lace1023]

I completely agree! Including it as a genuine part of the story makes sense, but changing a character completely just to have more diversity ruins so many stories and is completely unnecessary. I feel this way with race a lot of the time as well. By all means have diversity, please, but for the love of god don’t change so many freaking characters that the story doesn’t feel familiar anymore.

[@peterherfort7323]

Change ALL braid tugging and skirts smoothing... That‘s a lot!

[@Mhidraum]

And women sniffing. That's like three books right there.

[@loriannwhite8384]

Marhesi Felt like 4.

[@hxejacjiuyetheunpronouncea80]

I just want to say that I can't even imagine the wheel of time without the white tower conflict, the ogier and the world of dreams. Well...I sorta can but that would make for a much more generic series.

[@Loomx5]

Removing Sharra/Demandred seems the wrong way to go to me, I would actually think the show is a good place to play that *up*. Bring the River of Souls Demandred chapters in and imply that he is a new character we haven't heard of who's a hero to the Sharrans, only to twist later that it's Demandred and he's evil.

[@Harldin]

The biggest problem with casting Olver is where are they going to find a child ugly enough. He is described as being quite ugly in the Books.

[@tobiasgrunbaum7575]

I think it could actually be really interesting if Egwene had had this sort of romance with Galad. Not necessarily fulfilled, but in more of a „there is something there but we’re on opposite sides“ kind of thing

[@henriksorensen82]

I think this is a stupid idea, we are talking 14 books and a lot of readers who all have their favorite part of the books, it is completely impossible to remove or change anything without making everyone upset. See how things went with Game of Thrones. I think this will be one of the hardest thing to do fair. But from the bright side, at least they know how everything and everyone looks, because I don't know anyone who can describe an embroidery on a handkerchief in to the smallest stitch.

[@misslanfeartelamon]

1) last meeting of mat & rand 2) Rand bending knee to Tuon. it should have explained and handled better 3) rand's last meeting with Egwene and world monarchs 4) song which tinkers were searching for 3000 years. i think they were also given their reward (the song) 5) Rand singing could have been handled better 6) bayle doman never met Rand also aludra 7) mat Perrin and Rand didn't get together one last time 8) according to min there was something weird about children of Aviendha yet never explained 9) how come Rand never went to black tower, no matter what people said? 10) so what cadsuane sedai tought all ashaman, was that just last message of Rand? 11) demandred was the most hateful forsaken and he never got to meet Rand either 12) so the nym of eye of the world never recovered? And nyms never returned?

[@dezperado618c8]

Im on the fense about removing the world of dreams. At times I felt it was used a as a plot device in teh book with rules being created for the sole purpose of moving the plot forward. As it was written, the capabilities of the world of dreams seemed very under utilized for the purposes of spying and communications

[@richardpeterson4440]

This might not be the most popular opinion but I personally want polygamy to stay, particularly with the Aiel. There is a historical and anthropological president for such in real life war like cultures. It will help make the Aiel even more different and unique.

[@josephbeaulieu1569]

I'm only on FoH, so I don't know how important the forsaken will be going forward, but I think that of the ones I've seen so far, it can be reduced to Ishamael, Lanfear, Asmodean, and Moghedian. They already cut the two from the end of EoTW, which is good, and I think we could do without Be'lal as well. He just doesn't have the same presence as Moghedian and he could easily be replaced with Ishamael or the Black Ajah in TDR

[@marktgreene]

Completely agree about The Slog and especially the ending of Memory of Light. If the number of Forsaken is cut (yes!) it should be mentioned that there used to be 13 (gotta keep that number), but others died in the past, or something like that. I would also change some names (blasphemy!!); the names of several female characters sound unnecessarily similar (e.g., Es & Ms). Keep the World of Dreams! I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I would cut down the entire length of the story by about a third. Jordan needed a much more aggressive editor, and the show will be a more thrilling ride if not so long and detailed.

[@artos607]

There WAS more than 13 forsaken in the Age of Legends but a bunch of them died I believe

[@Mr73172]

@@artos607 13 forsaken and many many dreadlords. I think

[@artos607]

@@Mr73172 I'm pretty sure circa Winter's Heart one of the forsaken mentions that many of the Chosen had been killed because without the taint to bind male channelers to the DO, the DO was very paranoid about the Chosen. Doesn't make much sense to me but whatever

[@drewvasseur3123]

@@Mr73172 Forsaken and Dreadlords are technically the same thing. The only difference is the era they originated from. Forsaken were chanellers loyal to the Dark One from the Age of Legends, while Dreadlords are chanellers loyal to the Dark One from the Trolloc Wars/Last Battle.

[@kennymiller5837]

I agree with most of what you say. Pretty much only thing I dont agree on is the nudity lol. I'd like for the show to be as family friendly as the books are, so yeah nudity is obviously a part of it, but I dont want it to be ramped up at all. Also, elaine and avienda being bi and relationship is just.... eww? They literally became sisters soooooo idk how yall can see a bi relationship lol

[@TheLordofMetroids]

so with the Forsaken, we have a lot who could possibly fulfill each others roles. Sammael&Demandred: These two are probably the most similar Forsaken, they are both men who led a large faction of male Aes Sadai, and who's betrayal to the Shadow caused a massive upheaval in the War of Power. They also both betrayed because of their hatred for Lews Therin, and both were even convinced to join by Graendal. They even fit together perfectly with other than a few scenes in Lord of Chaos, Demandred is mostly absent till the last battle, and Sammiel is the secondary antagonist of almost the first entire half of the series, until he disappears in A Crown of Swords in a way that seems so planned that I think every fan expected him to show back up at some point. It would be super easy to combine these two characters. Personally I think naming him Sammael would be better than Demandred because of Moraine's family name being Damodred the words sound to similar, same reason Game of Thrones changed Asha Grayjoy to Yara Grayjoy in the show. Aginor & Semirhage: Here we have an evil scientist who joined the Shadow after his horrific research came to light, and an evil doctor who joined the Shadow after her evil research came to light. While their stories are actually different, this is similar enough to combine the two. Osan'gar puts a damper on this, but he ended up being a more or less ancillary character, who's only real achievement was his ironic death. I would suggest cutting Aginor and only having Balthamel in Eye of the World. Asmodan & Be'lal: This one sadly cuts a crowning moment of awesome from Moraine, but I see no point to having a Forsaken show up for what would only be one episode, only to get a face full of balefire. Maybe she makes him run from her? That would still be awesome right? Mesaana & Alvarin: Alvarin is not a Forsaken, but she is a massively important leader of the shadow, who gave them arguably the biggest victory they ever achieved. While I personally adore the Black Ajah hunters storyline, that has to be condensed or cut altogether, so two powerful evil leaders in the White Tower are completely unnecessary, and one needs to be cut.

[@waltgrisly509]

I dont really care either way about anything you said except THE FREAKING NAME. Why there is always someone who thinks audience is a bunch of morons ? Like the Yara bullshit was even worse and more confusing than the similar names. It just destroys the immersion especially when they changed it midair. Demandred sounds cooler than Sammael and kinda subconsciously evokes the evil as it sounds like demon-dread. Damodred doesnt sound too similar (ofc except the ending) and I think the name doesnt even come up that frequently to cause issues with "not exactly bright" part of audience. Most will probably think that her name is Moiraine Sedai anyway. ( Does "khaleesi" ring a bell ? )

[@harlandeke]

Cutting any of the Forsaken is absolutely ridiculous. Cut out most of the Aes Sedai that get too much screen time. I mean you have to know that they are there, but they don't have to have so many featured.

[@cagankaplan5302]

Aaaahhhh... I love the old intro!

[@danielmclaughlin5573]

Well as long as we're discussing insane, crappy, and utterly ridiculous changes to the Wheel of Time, how about we just get rid of Rand.

[@micah7492]

Congratulations on getting the role of Olver, Daniel!

[@isthisajojoreference]

“Let’s just take out everything unique about the Wheel of Time”

[@chanovia5912]

Manga to anime can be adapted perfectly

[@Omni-kyun]

Both are visual mediums though, and anime itself lends itself rather well to handling s person's thought process due to anime often pausing everything and just showing a static face while an internal monologue is being presented. Such things are rarely done well in live action.

[@anthonycrayne2835]

Not all anime came from manga. A good amount came from light novels that have been well adapted as well.

[@calboye]

the only part of the white tower conflict I like is when Egwene is in the tower... so if you're talking about that I agree