What this She-Hulk scene REALLY Means!

[@gametime2473]

Interesting take. I don't really agree though. IMO she just rattled off a bunch of feminist stereotypes about toxic masculinity and then claimed that she deals with anger INFINITELY more than the Hulk (not just a lot more, but INFINITELY) because of things like "cat calling" or know it all men (as if women are never know it alls)? That's ridiculous. Banner's entire life revolved around controlling his anger. This show was just another tiresome feminist soapbox. As the feminist trope always does, the woman starts out almost perfect and her problem to overcome is that she doesn't believe in how great she is because men are holding her back. Once I hear that garbage, I am pretty much out.

[@DigitalRuler48]

Fair enough. I understand where you're coming from. I don't deny any feminist tones but if you stop there I think it keeps you from engaging with the character and makes it easier to dismiss what she says without examination. A lot of women do have these fears and anxieties whether they are valid or not. if you think about their lives Jen has had a mostly healthy upbringing which has given her mostly good anger management skills where as Bruce grew up in an abusive house not allowing him to learn proper anger management skills. In The Incredible Hulk he couldn't even get aroused without potentially hulking out. While Bruce is right about certain things his solution is not Jens or the one she needed. The split personality thing is mostly exclusive to Bruce. Also the show isn't about her figuring out how great she was all along, it's about her learning to balance being a hero and lawyer. It's about her accepting all aspects of her life and self and dealing with changes she never asked for because the show still proves Bruce right and Jen wrong

[@gametime2473]

@@DigitalRuler48 Wel thought out answer. I do think this part was a little contradictory though, "Also the show isn't about her figuring out how great she was all along, it's about her learning to balance being a hero and lawyer. It's about her accepting all aspects of her life and self and dealing with changes she never asked for". Figuring out how to be a hero and successful lawyer to me fits "figuring out how great she was all along". It isn't a compelling story at all to me. She's awesome if she's a hero, she's awesome if she's an attorney. I understand your overall point though and I can see why you would feel that way. They did do some balancing with demonstrating the Hulk having wisdom at times. I might be more accepting of your explanation if I hadn't seen so many other similar tropes in film and TV over the last 10 years. I loved the she hulk comics as a kid. I had a crush on her actually lol.

[@DigitalRuler48]

@@gametime2473 I can see how that may seem contradictory. What I mean is that her struggle is similar to Spider-Man or Dare-Devil hence why he's on the show because he can relate to he life much more than Bruce and at this point has a better handle on the life style. Sure her life is not as dramatic as Matt's or Peter and it's more played for laughs. I do get it. There are terribly over used tropes and this show isn't free of them. Though no genre is free of it's tropes, it's more so how they're delivered I suppose

[@gametime2473]

@@DigitalRuler48 I get you, but Daredevil and Spider Man didn't launch into a tirade like this. In a 30 second clip she blamed men for cat calling, being in idiot that ignorantly demeaned her, then blamed her for being "emotional about it" and then maybe killing her. If they had set that up with a scene where it happened to her from some dude, that would probably work but as it is, it's just the same old identity politics attacking all men which I don't want to see in my entertainment. For you it's cool and that's fine. FWIW, I think the woman playing She Hulk was fine. I wanted to like the show.

[@DigitalRuler48]

@@gametime2473 I understand about identity politics being an issue and over the top in modern media. To be fair to the show there are a lot of good men in the the show and the people she learns from and help her the most outside of her best friend are men. Bruce, Daredevil, Pug, The costume designer, Wong. She's even closer to her dad and is more open and vulnerable to him than her mom. The bad men are cartoonish and over the top but it's a comedy so most of the characters are exaggerated. I wouldn't say the show hates men as a default because the women aren't all portrayed as perfect either.