What to do?

[@lindaj5492]

“Cupcake?” I can think of a few other things to call her … 😂 I’m picturing the owner watching this …. 😊

[@Deanna-k4i]

Because you want to live to Train another day ❤

[@Gingerwalker.]

It was very satisfying to see how quickly she realized you meant business with that first crack of the whip. Her demeanor improved a lot just from that. I have friends who would never even crack a whip like that near their horses. Because "they don't want to be mean" or "scare" their horse. Yet they can't understand why their horses don't respect their space and worse. I had 1 friend go thru 2 different horses that actually became dangerous before she wised up and asserted herself a bit with the 3rd. Some horses just need a firmer hand and that's ok. Why did you hold off on looking at her feet? Because you needed to establish at least some ground rules/dominance so that she would be less likely to hurt you when you went to handle her legs. To see if she might work it out. To watch how she was moving more. I love that you mention even the smaller things. Like how you held the rope in case she might kick out. You might be preventing someone else from getting hurt. I recommend your channel to anyone who wants to really understand and learn.

[@caobita]

🎯

[@octoberjubilee9866]

Oh, yes, just want to comment about the lameness. I have a horse whose build a lot like Cupcake and was lame. The lameness really worried me and despite lameness checks by 3 vets, I had no answers. I started researching about various other ailments that were less obvious stuff and eventually I had her tested for EMS and PPID. I wondered about EMS/PPID because she was displaying some of those symptoms (like a protruding belly that was slightly disproportionate to her body, long tuffs of hair in various places of her body, etc.). The results of the testing were negative but a new vet thought the same thing about her (when I mentioned it, she was thinking the same) and asked if she had the testing with a "profusion" which I think is a test I'll pursue if the lameness reoccurs (it did go away). The lameness went away when I put her on a strict diet. I feed her a balancer, soaked her hay, and monitored grazing time. To strengthen her because I was so easy on her (not knowing what was wrong), I made sure she got at least exercise 4-5 days a week. If Cupcakes lameness does not go away, I'd be interested how she'd be treated and what you and the owner would be doing to help her. Thanks Tim.

[@tracyjohnson5023]

Yep you have to treat them like you would a foundered horse.

[@pixie706]

I would instantly be concerned about lameness in a client's horse.

[@octoberjubilee9866]

@@tracyjohnson5023 At first, the exercise I gave her was to just lead her around the pasture for 45 minutes or so. Because it was winter and I live in a snowy-icy place, I did it all winter (careful of slips). Rode lightly in the Spring because she'd improved. Late Spring, she was able to walk, trot, canter. It definitely was a process! Over a few years she was going through these issues, I did research and suggested to the vet to get her tested for EMS, when it was ruled out, I pressed into him (the vet) to do x-rays. When I got those back, that's when I started riding her again, lightly. However, in stating my concerns to our new vet, she said she wouldn't rule EMS out and asked if Dr. ---., had used a "profusion" when he tested for EMS. If my mare has a relapse (lameness), I'll have her do that. Not sure if that is how you treat a horse with founder but that is how I got my girl going again.

[@octoberjubilee9866]

@@pixie706 I was definitely concerned and I'm glad to hear you would be concerned (esp. if you are in the field of vet. medicine). It was keeping me up at night because I did not want my horse to suffer! If what I did had not worked, I resolved in my heart that I would put her down. I'm sure they have their reasons but, I don't understand why the professionals I was hiring were not more forthcoming with information. I researched it on my own with little to no guidance, used going with my "gut" too. So glad that Tim and other respected horseman have relevant information about these topics. They are super helpful. Despite the workload you encounter, my hope for you is that you'll keep listening to your clients. It may set you apart from others in your field. There's a reason why they express their concerns.

[@juliepowell1715]

At first I thought it was a bruise or an abscess starting. She didn't seem to mind you cleaning her hooves. Maybe it is the thrush. Some horses sometimes have a low pain threshold, but i don't think this mare does. She doesn't seem to be overly sensitive. I am looking forward to seeing her evolve. She seems to notice you a bit more towards the end of the video than when she first came out to the arena.

[@kuztwo]

I learn from each of your videos and really appreciate that you present every day issues you see and deal with. It was interesting to me that Cupcake was not afraid when you cracked the whip-just reminded she was supposed to be paying attention to her job. I'm a retired teacher and I felt like you were in class redirecting a student that others have just let slide by. And you surprised them by slapping the desk and saying "Wake up, dude! You've got work to do!" Thanks again for sharing and keeping realistic. Your approach is being used at our place on the regular.

[@donnac.1609]

Making sure how a horse thinks and reacts to the handler speaks volumns! Their behavior is tantamount to the trainer staying safe and applying the correct level of training needed. Finding the issues first.....then go from there. Right back to reading each horse..... Cupcake is quite the bold one. But has potential once the respect issue gets in place. Hope the lameness is minor.....

[@Jean-v2f9h]

Right fore down, head up.

[@DakotasMom57]

My appendix gelding is also lame on the right hind. My vet couldn't find anything obviously wrong, no heat, no swelling, and no sudden reaction to pain on palpitation. He has been on pasture rest for 4 months and is slowly getting better.

[@gail2283]

As always I learned an important tip from your video - Waiting til you get her respect before checking her leg. Thanks for the video and sharing your knowledge. Tabor City, NC

[@jeno264]

What awesome training rules! She is a bit cheeky though

[@joycecrawford2820]

Lameness can often bring out bad behavior in a horse.

[@Jaydee215]

amen

[@lotusflower2838]

Cupcake was a good girl for the hoof cleaning, progress right there! 😀

[@lizweber4996]

Whoa that double speaker talking ...

[@Channelinterrupted]

That was weird 😂

[@georgiascott5779]

My horses had terrible thrush problems until we started using copper sulfate. Found a powdery type on line (originally bought for a phylimentus (?) algae problem in our lake). After many years of thrush hooves, the problem disappeared.

[@caobita]

Good to know. How often did you apply that? Does it have to be put on everyday?

[@FluxyMiniscus]

1:45 re her name…. 😂😂😂😂

[@anndiederich1991]

I thought it was front right, but I'm definitely no expert. I would avoid foot cleaning until there was some level of trust built up. One bad experience is remembered for a long time with a horse, so avoid creating that scenario.

[@lydiagould3090]

Yes, she definitely needs a bit of tough love🤣 And maybe no more cupcakes, as she's a little plump. Hope it's nothing to bad with the sore foot. No, keep safe ,I wouldn't be cleaning out their feet until there's some respect and attention on you!

[@octoberjubilee9866]

My grandfather was a guy of a few words but once told me, "You Wanna respect those back legs of hers" (my sassy mare). He must have thought I would learn from osmosis or something because he never explained his one-liners which was at times unfortunate for me. Cup cake's no pushover and I think if you checked her feet before she respected you, it would have been unfortunate for you🥴😵☹

[@KimHitchcock-v5i]

I wouldn’t do a horse a favor, like cleaning the hoof, if it was being disrespectful, you could get hurt. That’s my guess to your question 🌷💕

[@kimberlynads]

I would have thought RIGHT rear- Im so bad at that 😅

[@laurakerley8774]

Oh my. I thought it was her left rear. She kept resting it an holding it out at an angle. ?

[@charlotterockel-kennedy8913]

I definetly thought the same, left rear. She also doesn't seem sound on the front either

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Rear lameness always radiates to the front.

[@charlotterockel-kennedy8913]

@@timandersonhorsetraining not always true. My horse has bone cysts right back leg and he was only lame rear back right.

[@lindaj5492]

Oops; around 6 minutes in, the audio is double-recorded: sounds like you’re talking over yourself.

[@gregnormandin7037]

Rule number one 😊

[@hopebehrendt1786]

Id have changed her name a couple of times as well. I would prefer keeping my skull in tact til she showed some respect too! Looks like she can be a handful as she was really pushing into your space at the beginning!😊

[@jeniferrinehart1107]

Is it like not giving them a spa treatment before they go to work?

[@wendyritter7149]

Thankyou for adding the horse names of the buddies over the fence, i love trying to guess wich ones are there each video. Getting run over by disrespectful horse isnt fun, been there. Thankyou for clearly reminding us respect and safery first! 🦘

[@RitaMeterMaid99]

Both her back legs and rear end seem loose or off somehow?

[@nerowolfga8543]

She seems to my eye stepping a little high and off on both hind legs.

[@TheFarmerintraining]

Have to respect or you could get hurt.

[@lindachicette8354]

I thought it was in front too right

[@lauramoy9940]

You could get hurt.

[@rutherose23]

Looked like RF to me too

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Rear pain always radiates to the diagonal front. What you are seeing is the front compensating for the pain in the rear.

[@julien9335]

As soon as you said her name was cupcake…..

[@RepublicTX]

Gotta have control of the feets before you ask for the feets.

[@gailwolf7017]

What breed is she? I picked up a horse at a auction that is a dead ringer for her. Even her attatude.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Haflinger.

[@nerowolfga8543]

@@timandersonhorsetraining Oh my goodness! That is a breed with opinions and general attitudes. I would never have a beginner try to deal with one.

[@beverleymontminy227]

What do you use for thrush?

[@kimberlynads]

Left rear, head up - I think I am seeing…

[@PersonalTriumph2022]

As you said there are certain conditions that can worsen with the tight turns and hops she had to make during lunging, such as tendon and ligament injuries (which she very well may have without swelling). Hopefully no further damage.

[@patriciaantolik6741]

A couple of observations. First, it’s her first day in a new barn. I would think it is “horse” normal for her to be distracted by all the new horses, cows, smells, and sounds. If her distractions continue, I would then label her “disrespectful.” Second, a bobbing head is a sign of lameness. An ultra sound or x-ray would show any minute tears in the tendons.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Making excuses for behavior like this is how horses get like this. Disrespectful to a person is never excusable. As far as the lameness, going straight to x-rays and ultrasound to look for something else when there is the obvious issue of thrush in the leg showing a problem doesn't make any sense. Any other diagnosis would be totally useless until the thrush is healed.

[@georgiascott5779]

Use powdery copper sulfate!

[@rebeccarafi]

Cupcake? Why not Poison Mushroom or Deadly Nightshade? Great work! She would have fooled someone without your expertise and experience.

[@s.b.5259]

Manchineel. Poisonous on every part, dangerous to even be around, and the fruit are particularly plump looking.

[@teresadasilva4777]

Looks like RF to my eye .

[@moearle1]

Not cleaning initially because - you let the farrier test it out first …😂jk, but safety first

[@sabbyd1832]

Safety. After you touched her legs her demeanor changed a little.

[@Wendy-bd9zu]

Is she islandic? Half Haflinger?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Haflinger/Something.

[@sarahmedeiros1473]

Do you mind me asking her height? I have a surrendered brood mare that looks almost identical to Cupcake. Her sire was Clydesdale, mother was a Hanoverian/Morgan cross we were told. Also working through some soundness issues. Had such a similar demeanour too. We worked a lot on personal space initially, but she is doing great now. Thanks for the great video 😊

[@ponyexpress5687]

You won't clean the feet of a disrespectful horse (especially an unfamiliar one) because it's not safe

[@akcourtney1]

I wouldn’t clean her feet before we start because I do t know this horse and don’t want to get kicked.

[@sharonhackney4945]

Horse needs to trust your leadership first to give up a leg to you, based on the prey animal instinct. Giving up a leg to you, takes away one of her legs needed for escape.

[@shy_pilgrim]

Because she could kick you.

[@blondeenotsomuch]

One of those redheads w a bit of blonde. Should be fun watching her.

[@moearle1]

The lame? Could she just be sore due to using muscles she hasn’t had to use? Like when we exercise for the first time in a while…we are super sore for few days ~she is beautiful and will be a great “cupcake” when you finish her training 😂

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

That would be possible but she first has to be worked to be sore from working.

[@deepcover9894]

Is she a Morgan?

[@pgree6176]

You don’t want reward the behaviour

[@bobkohl6779]

Owner needs to learn to wrap the tail to prevent a pee stained tail. PS you audio is out of sync with the video

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Wrap a tail when the horse that doesn't even respect being led. That would be like painting a truck with a blown engine.

[@caobita]

@@timandersonhorsetraining 😂😂 so true 🖒

[@arribaficationwineho32]

Why was she sent to you? Def lame. I can understand why she wouldn’t stop to ask you for help since you cracked the lunge whip. She doesn’t know you

[@fionajane56]

She is rude

[@rosemarythompson1540]

To be disrespectful she would first need to have been taught what respect is from a young age. Perhaps being called Cupcake gives an indication about the owner who perhaps spoiled her? I feel you are being harsh with a horse who looks like she's in survival mode for some reason.

[@diannaa5631]

She's lame on the right fore

[@caobita]

That's what I was thinking