What toilet should I buy? 3 different brands compared

[@antiowarr9467]

Been a plumber for years retired now and I always recommended American Standard to customers mostly because you can get parts almost every where in any store. Cheers

[@bch5513]

I've had good success with the champion pro series

[@ronb6182]

Really???? Not at home Depot. I am ready to remove the last toilet because of the ghost in the tank. If the 4112 tank would fit on the bowl I have I would just replace the tank. 73

[@antiowarr9467]

@@ronb6182 State the problem you have with the toilet? cheers

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

​@@ronb6182 shit man toilets are 100 bucks,just 86 the thing and not worry about it.

[@ronb6182]

@@dustinpomeroy8817 much more today I was looking at one with all the added features but that can run into some money. For my new home in the mountains I may spend more on a John but for now I want one with replaceable parts that can be bought at the big box stores . I do my own plumbing so I look for easy. I probably will never buy American Standard again. The ones we have where I work are easy to repair I been doing it for over 20 years. But my junk I bought about seven years ago are ghost John's . A flapper and fill valve is the best john for me PS in not into saving a cup of water. I like the double flush I know if the next person is going to over flow the John. So I can clean the line out with hot water. I save our company hundreds of dollars on plumbing service calls. 73

[@grayrabbit2211]

I would have liked to seen a Toto thrown in the comparison.

[@trappn]

Got turned on to Toto toilets years ago. Not for nothing......there's a midwestern gas station/convenience store chain called Casey's, or Casey's General Store. Seems like the vast majority of the locations have converted to Toto toilets, and there's a good reason for this. They flush.

[@eg7326]

Hershey squirts!

[@brianc9642]

As much as I hate buying anything Chinese, Toto makes a great toilet. Shoulda been a Drake in the test.

[@trappn]

@@brianc9642 Last time I checked, Toto was Japanese.

[@beachbunny3300]

@@brianc9642 Toto toilets are made in Agusta, Georgia. They're owned by Toto Japan.

[@carmamiller1424]

Keep your informative and honest videos coming. I loved seeing realistic simulations of how these three toilets handle their jobs. Easiest research I have ever had to do.

[@Anothertominohio]

Videos like this make KZbin worth watching guys! Thanks!

[@kevinvieyra7468]

Had a Kohler toilet (expensive) or about 2 years. It kept clogging up. After a number of calls to Kolher, the toilet went out to the curb. The American Standard replacement has worked perfectly for 5 years now.

[@d70rock]

I believe that kohler makes the "cimeron"- im probably wrong on the spelling, but its one of the best toilets for low flow high rush/evacuation of the trap toilets we used in a multifacility maintenance position. I was bummed to not be able to put one in at my house due to lack of product at the supply house.

[@JarrettAldrich]

Me too. We have the most expensive Kohlers. They clog all the time. We are so over it. Very disappointing.

[@specialestness]

Hmm. I have the cheaper Kohler Highline and bowl rinse is the weak spot. I have never once clogged it and I’ve given it more than enough opportunity to clog.

[@MAGAMAN]

I was going to spend the extra money and buy a kohler until I started reading the reviews on Home Depot. They can't even get these things out of the factory in working conditions.

[@guykwalter1693]

What good is a 1 1/2 gallon toilet if you have to flush it 3-4 times?

[@d.e.b.b5788]

Same as a car that's mileage rating is preceeded with the word 'highway'. Both informations are useless in the real world, but work great to advertise something that will never be accurate about a product.

[@goingpostal1965]

About as good as the low flow shower heads they force on us that require us to take a longer shower to completely negate any water savings.

[@jjbud3124]

I have that American Standard and it has never failed. Best toilet I've ever had. It has never clogged. I'm so used to it that my friend's toilet scared me when I flushed it. The water comes up so high in the bowl and goes down so slowly in comparison, I thought I was going to have a flood.

[@rodbutler4054]

I totally agree! I have an American Standard which I purchased for $100. It is the best clean flusher that saves me money on my water usage account for sewage fees.

[@vernoncooke7348]

I have an American Standard toilet that came with the house that I bought 12 years ago and if you do a pee, it only needs about 1/2 gallon minimum to do a flush. I’ve seen a whole variety of toilets, some rather brand new, in the many hotels I have stayed in while traveling. Some of those toilets, even brand new, you might need a gallon or a gallon or a gallon and half to get a pee to flush own. I’ve learned a lot about various toilets from all the places of lodging I have stayed at and if I ever had to buy a new toilet, I have learned you got to know what to look for when you need to replace a toilet. They are not all the same and some flush lot better than others.

[@glasslinger]

I could plug up any of those wimpy toilets! When I do a one week dump the toilet is filled with the top of the pile of crap sticking up out of the water! My old 5 gallon toilet with the 4 inch pipe still has to be plunged. I even plug up the commercial pressure operated toilets! What difference does the flush amount make if you have to flush it ten times! Also you didn't do the colored water test. (pour food color into the bowl and see how many flushes to get clear water. )

[@johnr5252]

I’m with you. Clogs EVERY time. A plunger is a must have for me.

[@TheUniquePlumberman]

I always recommend Toto Drake but will bet the company on the never clog Caroma Carvelle. Parts for the Caroma are a rare find but as rare to need service. I've found the Korky universal 3" flushvalve kit fits perfectly in the Toto.

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

We use Totos also,people seem to like them.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I have a Standard Cadet from 1959 and it's retail price for me was FREE. I got it used and I couldn't be happier with it.

[@GearsDatPowerDaTubes]

Those old Cadets are monsters! The only modern toilet on a tank I like are the Toto Drakes, but only the 1.6 version. You need water for a good flush.

[@thecan8460]

You have done well. 👍

[@nickp5511]

I’ve been a plumbing contractor since 1995 and a plumber since 1979 whenever I install a tank toilet I always use American Standard Cadet Pro! They flush better than any other toilet and if needed you can hold the tank lever down a get the full tank flush and they swirl better than the rest.

[@billj5645]

I've also noticed that different brands have different diameter passages which seemed important to me. Since you've shown the different radius of bends and sweeps it seems that those would be important too. In my previous house I had a fancy brand toilet that was prone to stopping up. I did some study and bought the American Standard that had the largest diameter trapway, no more clogged toilet after that.

[@kenschmidt6522]

The size of the flush valve also is a factor.

[@Cxndy_55]

I have one from the 1920s and it still works just a little rust where you flush but otherwise it’s amazing it still works and flushes

[@stix562]

There is not much to a toilet that can break. So 100 years .. hmm ok .. is yours 5 Gallons a flush or more ?

[@jonanderson5137]

I've found a quick squirt of Dawn in the reservoir helps get things moving. I was in an old house today and the shitter had a giant reservoir, now I want to go back just to see if it's one of these 5 gallon beasts.

[@glenherbert7606]

One of the best review videos I have seen. Like seeing Plumbers review Plumbing Products

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

Appreciate that

[@stix562]

Comparing a 1.6 to 1.28 to make the AS look better .. hmmm seems to me a fair fight would be all the same and then a little info on the flush tech.

[@natg3361]

Thank you for making this video! Our toilet is being replaced, it's so difficult being a mom and the specifications they give online and at the dealer dont give me much of an idea what the actual quality and features are. Very thorough and practical demonstration and comparison, gentlemen, now I can make an educated pick of the best throne for my husband and family! They will be so happy!

[@heroknaderi]

Keep up your hard work guys. I enjoyed it. and nice comparison on how these toilets perform. this helps us decide which one suits our needs.

[@SigmaSheepdog]

I installed American Standard Champion toilets in my last house and I was very happy with them. They worked extremely well when my brother came to visit which is an excellent testament to the Champions efficiency as he is a notorious toilet clogger.

[@ranger178]

i had one and it never got clogged but it left stuff in bowl, so you had to flush twice and hold lever down to try and get bowl clean i switched to toto and it is way better.

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

I got a brother like that too.

[@dickfournier7610]

Sounds like your brother is emptying out all at once instead of after each meal. He may need more fiber in his diet. Heck, we all need more fiber in our diet. LOL

[@jedzeppelin221]

Sounds like a bunch of $h!t to me...sorry, couldnt top myself.

[@meenam300zx]

LOL... you got to be kidding. Its a terrible design and leaks every year and you have to remove the entire tank to replace flush valve and gasket.

[@kathlynterry8196]

This is mind blowing. You never see tests like this. ❤️ I’m laughing too.

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ΝΙΚΟΣΠΟΔΑΣ-δ4σ]

@@ApexPlumbingLogan dont buy a kohler they are scary and look like a exclamation mark american standard are better

[@larryferd1510]

This was one of the best videos I have seen in a very long time. Bravo 🙌 and thank you

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

Glad you liked it!

[@KevinBenecke]

You should do another test to see which toilet flushes out a long pipe run best because at least one toilet is usually put at the farthest end of the main sewer pipe so when it flushes, it can help to clear out anything left behind from the sinks and other fixtures that run into the line downstream. They came up with these standards of only 1.23 gallons of water per flush to give plumbers job security when they have to come and clear everyone's drains all of the time because toilets don't put enough water down to keep the pipes clear.

[@BA-pg4od]

My dad has the same concern with getting rid of the old toilets. The extra water helps flush the pipes out and gets it where it needs to be.

[@u2mister17]

I have cleaned over 40,000 drains. The government doesn't care. You should see what sealing the burner to a gas water heater does.

[@HobbyOrganist]

Stupid 1.6 gal flush clogs up rural lines that have to run 100 feet to the sewer, that's why I put in an antique toilet with the BIG tank, never had to call roto rooter since I put that one it. There's NO WAY 1.6 gallons let alone 1.2 is going to carry a pile and paper down 8 feet, laterally 10 feet, 90 degree turn and 100 feet down the driveway to the sewer under the road, it needs at least TWICE that amount of water or more. I pay for my water by the 1,000 gallons and never USED 1,000 gallons in a month. I have a Speed Queen washer that actually FILLS the tub to the top for an actual wash, bought that and threw away a 2 year old Whirlpool Washer that thought 3" of water in the tub was enough to WASH two full sized blankets, are they serious??? Nobody even wanted the Whirlpool washer, it sat by the curb for a week, even put it up on FB market place free, tells you something huh! After a week of sitting there I wheeled it back and broke it apart to scrap the metals.

[@BA-pg4od]

@@HobbyOrganist Those 1.6s are probably good for vertical flushes like apartment buildings but no so for single family residential with horizontal flows.

[@Barchenhund]

Got into a habit of flushing twice with modern toilets to move solid waste. I’m a fan of American Standard toilets. Quality and performance in my opinion.

[@TrailToughTrailers]

GREAT test video!!! I think I would have done each test 3 times to average things out a bit. Keep the tests coming as it was fun to watch!!! Also, its nice to see sons following in the Dad's footsteps...

[@JohnBowl14690]

I have a plumber in the family. He said Kohler, American Standard and Toto are all good toilets. I have a Kohler and it performs well, but it does stain just a little bit. Not sure if it stains more than an American Standard, but it does stain after a while. Easy enough to clean, but just be aware.

[@funone8716]

Next time I eat Cheerio's with carrots and chocolate syrup on them with a sponge chaser, it'll be good to know what my odds are the next day.

[@stevebot]

I have the AmStan unit, it’s pretty good. Never leaves “crumbs” surprised that it didn’t clear the Cheerios on the first flush. They advertise it as being able to flush a bucket of golf balls.

[@trutrek913]

I would add the the design of the valves/plunger inside as a factor. Some toilets might flush well, but uses expensive plunger/valve systems that makes it prone to leaks, failures or hard to fix or replace.

[@ronb6182]

Trutrek I hear you. The last American Standard toilet I installed in my home is a ghost toilet it's always refilling up all night And day. I fixed it so it just leaks in the bowl but doesn't refill up. I just let water go in the bowl until the tank refills then I flush. But it takes the second flush to really clean out the bowl. I'm going to replace the ugly bowl and tank. I cracked the last tank in the master bathroom so I will remove the cracked tank and use the front tank from the other bathroom. I'm going to look inside the box before I buy new. I want just standard parts no O rings and seals just flappers and fill valves. 73

[@douglasskaalrud6865]

I put in a tall Deer Valley round-front toilet a year ago for $150.00. It’s only a 1.2 gallon flush so it refills in a heartbeat, but the reason I bought it was because the front of the tank is concave. It hasn’t plugged and it seems like the bowl is made from Teflon. I’d put one in our other bathroom too but they don’t make it in bone color. I put in 27 ADA American Standard toilets at a senior high-rise. Nothing special about them other than they cost three or four times what they’re worth. Wonder what Standard pays out in kickbacks every year.

[@july8xx]

I have a jacuzzi 1.6 with a 3" flapper valve it will do a half flush and has never been stopped since I installed it over 5 years ago. The best unit I ever had.

[@lynx93tk]

Great tests! I have the Kohler Elmbrook in one of my bathrooms. I installed it in 2018. So far it has performed well, although the rinse could be better. It did plug once. My plunger couldn't unclog it. I had to get a plunger made especially for the newer style toilets, which solved the problem in just a few seconds. We also have an American Standard Optum Vormax, installed in 2015. It rinses the sides of the bowl very well, but the jet action below is lacking, so much so that we often have to flush twice, and sometimes 3 times.

[@MrMikey1273]

I have American Standard cadet3 elongated bowl toilets in my house and a in a rental unit. They have held up well. Gosh it was 8 to 10 years before I even needed a new flapper. By that time I just re built the tanks with fluid master pro flush valve and flapper kits since they are only around $40 each at Lowes.

[@ctranger]

I've purchased and replaced a number of toilets in my different homes thru the years. Early on I used American Standard mostly. When I needed to replace a couple of toilets in my prior house, I bought a Champion and a Lexington, both one-piece. I liked their Champion line, however the original Champions had a poorly designed and constructed flush tower. Flushed strong but leaked like crazy after a year or so. I wrote the company and they sent me a redesigned one at no charge. Did not last that much longer, maybe two-plus years before the familiar bowl-filling sound would fill the air every hour or so. I ended up getting a Toto for that bathroom, and another Toto for a third bathroom in the same house. The Lexington was a poor flushing model, no jet or suction at all. In our current home, I replaced all three toilets with Toto's. A bit more expensive but extremely reliable.

[@ocsrc]

The 5 gallons per flush toilets, nothing was left. You could flush a car engine with the old toilets It was a wonderful thing

[@markrouse2416]

Thank government mandates for that. Mostly Democrats

[@MAGAMAN]

@@markrouse2416 Government cannot create, only destroy.

[@MurDocInc]

I installed 2 cadet3, the cheapest and smallest of the american standard, in 10 years they have never clogged. I will say you need to adjust the handle for best performance.

[@rickyspanish9625]

One thing to note is the size of the base as well, I notice better quality toilets will have a larger footprint and base making them more stable and less prone to needing to be reset. I have a Toto drake 2 in my house I’d like to see how it would have performed here it’s a great toilet.

[@rickyspanish9625]

@@JR3714 almost all twelve inch roughs, some tens here in old Chicago houses but 90% are twelves

[@randyd9805]

I just replaced two very old toilets in my home with American Standards. Both are basically the same toilet but one has a slightly longer bowl. They flush and clean very well. Far better than the toilets they replaced. I got them on sale for about 220. So far very satisfied with them. They were actually advertized to flush a basket of golf balls down in one flush. I don't have any golf balls so I'll just have to take their word for that!

[@LSandMC]

Should you hold the flush lever a little longer? I have the American Standard and I have to hold the lever for a couple of seconds before releasing it.

[@gorak9000]

It does make a difference on most modern toilets. You push and release quickly for a #1 flush, and push and hold until the tank is empty for a #2. That said, they didn't do the most important test, just how much toilet paper will each one take. In my experience, you use just a little too much paper, and most toilets these days clog up in the trap. Probably because the traps aren't glazed, and the TP gets stuck to the rough porcelain there.

[@311hitwall]

What you think about black toilets? I want to find one that is matte black but just wondering how much worse they will be to clean than a gloss black.

[@AStanton1966]

A plumber here on YT recommends the Gerber Viper. I installed one about a year ago and haven't had one clog yet. Mine is elongated and has a comfort height. The old snake is getting rusty from lack of use.

[@rockys7726]

I bought a Gerber. Although it flushes well but the bowl stains easily.

[@G.I.JeffsWorkbench]

Very helpful (& realistic) test. Thanks for putting this video together.

[@beekaye1496]

All in all, most toilets today works okay, and most will last just about 3-5 years before you have to replace them. Had American Standard put into my new house, Last about 4.5 years, Have the Koehler now and work well, it’s been about 5 years so far. So most are just what is preferred by the buying. Great test .

[@13091313]

Thanks for the great demonstration. What brand has the widest diameter trap? We like the High seat & 1.6 gal flush. Our is a Kohler. We spent $350 for flush repairs, First guy, 1-2 mos later The second different co. $150. We could of bought a new toilet. Bought said it's the calcium causing water to not go down right away.

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

might be time to get a water softner

[@andyskinner6450]

I have a Kohler Cimmaron that I installed about 4 years ago. It works flawlessly. I purchased it mainly on the advice from someone with 22 years of experience in plumbing supply who said he received the most positive feedback on Kohler toilets.

[@GaryBlankenship96b40]

What do you think about bladder, high pressure, flush foilets

[@col.johnson9938]

i put 4 “power flush” units in my house about 23 years ago. they have a sloan flushmate system in them. never in 23 years have i had a clog or had to replace any parts

[@GaryBlankenship96b40]

@@col.johnson9938 wow awesome

[@spazzman90]

A number newer units are laden with faulty designs, premature failures (with disasterous consequences), and ultimately lawsuits. Do your research carefully. I recommend vacuum assist.

[@ccoder4953]

I have the American Standard Champion 4 in my house. Had them for about 4 years now and they are the 1.28 GPF variant (I think). Haven't had one clog yet. Only difference I've noticed relative to the 1.6 GPF variant my parents had in their house (also never clogged over something like 10 years) is I have to hold the flush lever just a split second longer on the newer ones. Both excellent toilets that never clog. Far better than than many of the older water wasters I've used. So good that my parents had to have a plunger in their old house, but with the Champion 4 in their new one, they pretty much forgot where they put it - it was just never needed. I don't even own a plunger - have never needed it. And no, I don't need multiple flushes. One is enough 99% of the time. Can't even remember the last time I needed more than one. And the few times I did need more than one, it was only two. And that's not that expensive of a toilet - about $200 at my local Lowe's (elongated, chair height).

[@HobbyOrganist]

Guarantee that if your toilet was 100+ feet of horizontal line under your driveway to get to the sewer in the street you'd have clogs, there's no way that small amount of water is going to float or carry away a pile and paper all that distance. After paying $175 for Roto rooter to come out each time, I put in an antique toilet with a BIG tank that does a REAL flush and never had to call Roto rooter again

[@ccoder4953]

@@HobbyOrganist Not been a problem in my experience. The guest house at my parents place (which we lived in for quite awhile while we built the main house) was at least 100 feet from the septic tank, never had a problem. At my house, I probably have 30-40 feet between the house and the septic tank. Closest toilet is maybe another 20 feet inside the house, farthest is maybe 60 feet. Never had a problem. If I were guessing, I'd say you probably don't have the right amount of slope. Both too much and too little can cause a problem - too little is obvious enough, but too much can cause liquids to separate, leaving solids behind, clogging the pipe.

[@blipco5]

Champion 4 for the win 🍻. I won’t buy anything but. They never clog.

[@Lili-xq9sn]

Never thought a toilet test would be so entertaining. Lol Subscribed.

[@cheryl814]

Is there a better quality porcelain toilet for hard water from a well thank you i’ve had a couple different toilets and stains just seems to build up on the rim and on the bottom I use vitamin C to clean the toilet, but I was wondering if there was a better porcelain

[@hyzaar99]

So is there a way to "mod" toilets to flush like a boss? Or does it come down to the size of the tank?

[@HobbyOrganist]

It all comes down to tank size, if you put in a high tank type toilet and you were handy, you could fabricate a sheet copper tank a lot larger than the reproduction ones that have 1.6 gal max- make it like 3 gallons and a nice oak cabinet around it like they have, and you'd have a really good flush

[@243wayne1]

Air flush.

[@Encourageable]

Why cut the sponge to 1” x 5”? And chocolate syrup?

[@w8lvradio]

What about Mansfield Toilets? They are pretty cheap. But are they any good?

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

I don't like Mansfield much

[@iansmartel5473]

Do all American WC’s have bottom entry for the water. Majority of UK have the water flowing in from around the rim. Have you tried a test for them?

[@broeheemed32]

A couple things I learned about selecting a toilet when I bought one last year: 1) Pay close attention to the "trap/gooseneck" cast into the rear..... the point where the water can flow over and go down the drain is the highest the water level in the bowl will ever be. You cannot adjust the bowl water level by maxxing the level in the tank. The toilet I bought leaves very little water in the bowl. 2) Pay attention to the warranty - specifically regarding the porcelain finish. I "cheaped out", bought a budget model, and the finish above the water line is irrevocably stained at less than one year old. Bleach not only didn't clean it, it actually dissolved the glossy finish and left it "matte". Spend the money, buy a better quality than you think you need.

[@r.arabian3056]

I love science projects!!! Flushing synthetic logs.. im sharing this with so many!

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@stix562]

Just curious about the flush technology in each and the classification of each .. seems 1.6 gal flush is a bit more than 1.28G so the American Standard had an unfair advantage,, Lets see it in a fair fight ??

[@-AnyWho]

what do you do when your assisted jet line on bottom to help flush is plugged with lime/scale? ... i regret buying my American standard with jet on bottom cuz its the first thing to plug up. now the bowl itself scales up more cuz not a lot of water goes thru rim to clean bowl,most of it use to go thru jet on bottom .... i should have stuck with a bowl without the jet and just had a exit hole on bottom with ALL the water coming thru rim holes, then my bowl would have stayed clean ...

[@Flapswgm]

This was a VERY GOOD TEST so thanks so much guys. Am building a house so this came in very handy.

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

Glad it was helpful!

[@myopinionpal8880]

What's the best toilet that don't swirl the contents and smear it inside the bowl when it's flushed?

[@ZenHuang53]

This test is really great.Simple and clear.

[@Mike-rf5tz]

At 2:15, the square sponge test was not equivalent. His son wrung out the first sponge and threw it on top of the water, whereas the other two were squeezed under the water so they would become saturated before flushing.

[@SusannahPerri]

This is awesome, you guys obviously had a good time! I just purchased a Kohler Highline Arc 1.28 gpf, chair-height, elongated bowl toilet. I think it might be a little bit better performing than the Elmbrook model you demonstrated here. Do you know if it is? Thank you for a fun video. 😃

[@243wayne1]

It is not. Extensive field testing from multiple plumbing companies have proven the Kohler Elmbrook is FAR superior in every way to the Kohler Highline. You should have chosen more wisely. Thank you Susannah. It's game over for you.

[@Q-Ball888LosAngeles]

Don’t feel bad about your purchase, Susannah. I manage an apartment and I installed four Kohler Wellworth Classic toilets (1.28 pm) several years ago, and they work great. I installed an American Standard Cadet at my sis-in-law’s house. You can supposedly flush a bucket of golf balls down the Cadet, and it works ok, but IMO I think the Kohlers are better. I think the Kohlers would give Al Bundy a run for his money with his Ferguson toilet. 😂

[@anman366]

I purchased a Kohler cimmaron Chair height, Elongated bowl on sale at Lowes for $211 in September 2022 and absolutely love it. Great toilet, quiet but powerful flush, tank refills quietly and quickly, and hasn't clogged yet. That makes it a winner for me!

[@d.e.b.b5788]

@@Q-Ball888LosAngeles So, it's my diet. Now I need a recipe book on how to cook golf balls.

[@benpiller-d6v]

Any one of those, as long as a Sloan Flushmate fits inside. Ben

[@souptubespicy]

This was way more entertaining than I thought it would be

[@Goseph_Joebbels]

So since I drop ropes get a kohler?

[@DavidSmith-db1mk]

great job ! I think I am going with American standard and will have some tests of my own to perform !

[@rupe53]

I'm amazed they didn't do the golf ball (ping-pong ball?) test to see how many would go down. (floaters versus sinkers)

[@d.e.b.b5788]

I don't know anyone who poops golf balls, though.

[@BaconJD420]

I like this video, I’ve been a plumber for 30 years, I recommend Kohler or American Standard

[@GrandmasFolly]

This video is awesome. Helped me make a tough decision!

[@Vince7503]

I replaced all four of my toilets with the Toto Carlisle II one piece, elongated, comfort height, skirted, dual cyclone action 1.28 gallon version and I think it’s the greatest normally priced toilet available on planet earth. This is after hours of research and now after years of use. Of course, the price has doubled since I bought mine, I would say, save up and get one. Worth it at any price, IMO.

[@bt5252]

Nice testing methods! Would love to see more. American Standard have different lines with different tech. Wondering if we got a dud with our Vormax model.

[@lynx93tk]

I have a Vormax which I installed in 2015. It rinses very well, but many times we have to flush it twice because "something"" didn't go down the first time, which of course is a waste of water.

[@bt5252]

@@lynx93tk Rinsing wasn’t our biggest problem. Ours got to the point where it would flush slowly and incompletely like the trap was clogged even when it wasn’t. Got American Standard to replace with a different model recently.

[@lynx93tk]

@@bt5252 Ours has plugged several times. If you hold the handle down and exhaust all of the water in the tank, it empties the passageway to the jet, and then you have to flush 5 times to re-prime it. There are some very odd parts like the 2 flapper assemblies and the harness that controls them. There are too many parts that can fail and are most likely expensive to replace. If any one of them decides to fail, then the Vormax is out the door. You did well by replacing your toilet with something more reliable.

[@bt5252]

@@lynx93tk good to know it wasn’t just ours. Yes it’s a very complicated system. AS sent all new internals for me to replace and it only stopped the problem of the tank leaking into the bowl. Still would get into a funk where it seems to need priming every couple days. New model with single 3” flapper is much better but still finicky with how long you have to hold down the lever for a full flush. Need to hold for 1s or it just aborts the flush part way. Not a fan of their toilets. Our cheap Kohler in the other bathroom is pretty flawless. That’s saying something since I have had QC problems with other Kohler products.

[@randallnorris231]

Retired plumber with over 40 years experience here. I just replaced my kohler toilet with an American Standard. I truly believe you could stop up a kohler toilet with diarrhea. I wouldn’t have another kohler product if it was given to me.. That’s a fact.

[@d.e.b.b5788]

I'm currently easily clogging up an AS bowl. Shore house has a Kohler, which had no problems with my logs, so I'm going to find out what model it is, and get another one of those.

[@frankstar3417]

Get the American Standard "Champion" . It flushes golf balls. We've had ours for almost 2 years. Never failed to flush. If you call American Standard THEY ACTUALLY ANSWER THE PHONE! You don't get connected to a foreign call center. Too bad American Standard doesn't make cars. I would buy two.

[@davidgilpin5200]

I'm going to keep my American Standard Plebe old-fashioned full flusher circa 1983 around for as long as possible. And every time I use it, I'm going to remember why I don't want the Federal Government involved with my flushing.

[@ocsrc]

Buy an extra chain float and adjust the fill valve to the maximum height that you can get and adjust the overflow tube to the maximum height that you can get so that you get the longest flush and if you are lucky you will get 2 gallons per flush That's the way I have done mine and I keep looking for a 5 gallon toilet but they are very rare

[@rupe53]

3.5 gallon units are out there too if you look at house salvage places. So are older antique toilets. Obviously they all need refurbishing with new plumbing guts

[@KevinBenecke]

Those 5 gallon toilets are better at keeping the drain line clear of debris and buildup as well. Especially if you have a long run to get to the mains.

[@rupe53]

@@KevinBenecke ... my home is 110 years old, with cast iron and open joint clay pipe. It also has a U-trap in the basement. (very old school) The 3.5 gallon toilets have been ZERO problems, and I even added a half gallon milk jug to the tank to cut water use. If you have ALL plastic pipe then the low water flush units will be fine for the most part. Older plumbing needs another gallon or so.

[@KevinBenecke]

@@rupe53 Even with plastic pipes, low flow isn't always enough. Especially over a long run because the water spreads out too much to be of any force to wash the walls of the pipe down well. I would rather pay a little bit more for water than to be ripped off by plumbers to unclog my pipes.

[@rupe53]

@@KevinBenecke ... I did say fine for the most part. On 90% of problem jobs the issue is likely pipe that doesn't have the right pitch / slope. Too much pitch can cause the water to drain away faster than the solid stuff, which will eventually clog the pipe. 2-4 inches per 10 ft is generally about right to keep everything moving at once.

[@rogerwhiting9310]

My father in law is an engineer and a lover of Toto toilets...standard one piece ones not the crazy ones. After visiting 2 of his homes I pulled out my two Cadets and installed one piece Totos. I added their 550e washlets for comfort. Personally I think their flushing system is superior to ANY other toilet. The flush mechanisms are available easily and inexpensively...and a monkey could install the replacements.

[@ctranger]

I think Toto are the best. I have had excellent results in both our last house and current condo with Toto.

[@rogerwhiting9310]

@@ctranger me too

[@musterseeds1778]

This is good information about toilets, I did not realize how seriously flush demo means.. this gave me more knowledge...

[@petermaz701]

Really nice test you guys thought that through.

[@ranger178]

my toto toilet works great american standard champion one i have would not clog but it left lots of dirt behind in bowl

[@GFSwinger1693]

What are the trap sizes?

[@JB519]

Home Depot used to sell a 1.6 gpf tank and bowl sold in 2 separate pieces totaling $44. Damn thing flushed perfectly fine every time. Wonder why it went away?

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

It was too cheap,if they'd have priced it at 150 it would have sold fine.

[@donaldperrotta8514]

With new government regulations with water usage my question is can these new toilets make a 30-35 foot run to the main sewer pipe in the street ?? My house was built in 1951 … has a cast iron waste line running to the main line in the street roughly a 30 + foot run ..

[@bradgotschall3259]

I’ve had the Kohler for about ten years now. No clogs yet. I used to be anti water saver for toilets but I’m sold now.

[@machintelligence]

Same here. I replaced a standard height with the comfort height and it was great when I had my knees replaced. It might be a bit harder for small children to use, but that wasn't a problem in my house.

[@josecamacho5522]

As someone who regularly blocks the toillets(idk if thats hows it's said in English) I'm glad of having the American standard one it's the only water drop system I havent managed to block

[@ban80]

If I got to flush it twice is it Saving water

[@DomingoDeSantaClara]

Do you guys not have centre flush toilets with full/half flush options? They are fairly standard in countries I've lived in.

[@rjbiker66]

Yeah, those american toilets are weird looking with the high water level in the bowl.

[@PapaSk8r]

Get a Toto Drake 1.6 gallon, very decent price with by far the best flushing action.

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

We will compare it in teh next video.

[@ocsrc]

I miss my 5 gallons per flush toilets

[@Victor-nn2wi]

Same like what is the point of high efficiency toilets if you have to flush then 5 times

[@AStanton1966]

I wonder if you can still buy them in Canada?

[@bluesguitar1973]

​@@Victor-nn2wi I have 1.28 gpf toilets. I have not needed to use a plunger in years. Buy a good quality toilet.

[@_DB.COOPER]

@@bluesguitar1973 you must sit down to pee.

[@ronb6182]

​@@bluesguitar1973 there is none. I bought the American Standard toilet that was clog proof but that's a lie. And you cannot get parts for it and no universal filler valve and flapper will work. It's not so much the valve but it's a ghost toilet with the original parts installed, the worst 230 dollars I spent. I want a toilet that I can buy parts for it and home Depot don't carry the parts for Kohler or American Standard. I do like the American Standard toilet we have at work with the 4112 tank they use standard replacement parts and when you flush these toilets they flush twice. Keeps the bowl clean. 73

[@paulvilleneuve9628]

I had a Kohler Well-worth toilet and it plugged all the time. 👎 I had an expensive Crane toilet before that it plugged all the time. I have an American Standard Champion 4 max that I installed July 2015. It’s only plugged once in all these years! I will say once in a while we have to flush twice but as far as I’m concerned it’s the best!

[@shermansheets]

Why didn't you test the Gerber viper?

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

That is a great idea, We are planning the next video. Thanks

[@josephkrug8579]

The one thing that is not talked about much, American standards used to be better than they are now...at least for the replacement parts, and especially in california which has the super low gallow flush requirements. I got one of their 'super flush' champion style toilets back in 2004 and with the original flush mechanism you flush and the bowl was just suddenly empty. Then after years, the seals for that started leaking, so I bought the replacement...it didnt work quite as well, but still worked ok, then years later that also started leaking down into the bowl, so the third set of american standard replacement flush mechanism....sucks. If anything is fully sunk, it goes in one flush, but if there is anything not sunk it takes multiple flushes. I went to just having a empty bucket in that bathroom that if it gets too annoying, I just fill it up in the tub and pour it down to get it to flush. I called them and they admitted it is due to the replacement parts being for the even lower flow toilets and not doing the larger flush volumes that the older toilets need. So at some point I may have to just get a new toilet just due to the official replacement toilet parts not working right.

[@meenam300zx]

I agree 100% . American standard Flush valve needs to be changed every year and its a terrible design. My kohler easily lasts 3 to 4 years.

[@mellowrebel4618]

THE GERBER COMMERCIAL IS THE BEST ONE I HAVE EVER HAD. SAT FLAT AND LEVEL OUT OF THE BOX AND NEVER LEAKED!!!

[@mellowrebel4618]

AMERICAN STANDARD JUST SUICKS.

[@scottbergman8662]

American Standard should be hiring you to do their commercials.

[@slowp100]

A friend was looking for a new toilet. Told the hardware store person that she did not want another "down the lazy river" toilet and wanted a Class 5 Rapids one.

[@lisachristoph437]

Useful comparison, but there are many other brands to check out.

[@deanevangelista6359]

I have an American Standard dual flush toilet that works better than my old style 3 gallon flush model. The larger, glazed trap makes a huge difference.

[@brandontuckett767]

Should have had a new model Toto drake. It has an excellent flush and bowl wash.

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

Toto is part of the next video.

[@joshua43214]

I have a Kohler and don't like it very much. It is really bad at rinsing the bowl, especially down in the bottom. Only takes about 3 uses before it has stains.

[@inhaleexhale]

Okay people, give me your best advice: Which is the best 1.6 gallon, single flush (so you don’t have to hold the handle down to flush it twice and the bowl fully and cleanly empties on one press of the handle) toilet that handles lots of poo, no skid marks and cleans well (no hard water marks)?

[@theodorehartman5086]

Have you considered ToTo? Most all plumbers in my area prefer Toto over most other brands.

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

Toto is part of the next video.

[@dman357]

western pottery I never heard of before, what ever happened to having a toto at least

[@SaltyRice808]

Watching while eating my dinner. Learned something new 👍

[@mlu8395]

My preference is TOTO then American standard. Both bowls are very good.👍👍👍

[@ApexPlumbingLogan]

Next video we will compare.

[@col.johnson9938]

I have had ‘power flush’ units in my house for 23 years. Never have had a clog nor have I have had to replace a single part.