What Wan Shi Tong Being in Netflix's Avatar Means for the Future of Season 2...

[@disneysydneyresortvirtual9264]

I think he will be in season 2. It was a nice cameo,but they can't cut the library in season 2. It's an essential episode,that is beloved by many fans.

[@codyhughes1147]

Haha they cut a lot of those already. I wouldnt be suprised at all if they did. They will just find another way to get them the info thata faster, like they did with so much already.

[@codyhughes1147]

But hopefully the library is in there cause its one of the best episodes. I just wouldnt hold your breath.

[@lt1940]

tell not show with these writers

[@nwproductions5763]

The library episode sucks… however it’s needed because it talked about the eclipse

[@rainbowsprinklez]

At 6:50, you need TWO balls to represent a solar eclipse. One ball is the sun, the other the moon.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

Good point forgot about that I would've just imagined you needed one but even in the cartoon device in the library had two

[@jltraut]

Sokka will probably call him "Birdie" again, and this time he'll HEAR Wan Shi Tong growl an objection to that name.... (ie, in the Library, normal mortals can both see and hear him).

[@uncleirohsteashop]

That would be funny

[@ThompsonBrosStudios]

On the one hand, him being here and having a model already, certainly means it would be much easier to include him later, however, he doesn't have a legitimate reason for being in the first season, which is why it feels specifically like fan service like they plan to leave him out later, especially since they changed the bit about Zhao in the library. I imagine they will try to reuse whatever assets they have though, including locations, so I wouldn't be surprised if the gang find out about the comet and eclipse at the fire sage temple where we see ozai at the end instead of the library. I wouldn't be surprised either if they make use of Wan Shi Tong in some other way instead of the library, wouldn't be the first time.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

I mean again I would hope not because he's the spirit of knowledge, that library is his and it has everything a person could need given it was of course in the real world before he plunged it back into the spirit world.

[@ThompsonBrosStudios]

@@uncleirohsteashop Oh I agree I hope they don't change it, but based on how they approached the changes in season one, it wouldn't surprise me. It would change a LOT, not just the library, it would mean they'd have to find out somewhere else about the comet/eclipse, it would mean they'd have to change what happens to Appa, they probably wouldn't go into the desert at all if they changed this, but ALL of that seems within the realm of what they are willing to change. At this point the only things I expect for sure in season 2 are Toph showing up and half the season taking place in Ba Sing Se.

[@Avatar_Schedi]

Could you a video on how you would handle season 2? For example: How many episodes and which episodes from the og show should be in season 2 and so on...

[@uncleirohsteashop]

Of course! That video idea is already on the list! For that video specifically I just want to wait till we get the confirmed YES that Season 2 is coming.

[@EyeKahnography]

My impression was that Wan Shi Tong was included as to make his spirit more established i like htey added all teh background story for Azula in S1 which, tbh, I was surprised I enjoyed. it feels like it gives the actions more purpose

[@germainesf]

Yup. I don't agree with all the choices, but seeing expanded characters has been fun. I giggled like crazy seeing Wan Shi Tong (and later almost cried at the Azula training session...) I wish I could revisit my original thoughts and feelings on the animated show. I'm sure I had questions and criticisms that have been washed away with time and multiple viewings. If people don't like the live action, the animated is still there in pristine form.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

That's an interesting way to look at it for sure

[@TheJohnnMarstonn]

IMO, they made a season 1 to be able to stand alone in case it was discontinued !so they incorporated a lot of future season material (ozai, Azula, the owl 🦉)

[@icecreamguru7584]

it sucks that it’s such a huge fear and driving factor for decisions about the show, because knowing that you’ll definitely get 3 seasons means being able to build stuff up in a more satisfying way

[@germainesf]

Right. I cannot blame the show runners for attempting to give fans what they want and deal with the hard reality of Netflix killing projects. I do not understand the gnashing of teeth over elements moving up. The live action is doubling down on the spirit realm, so I am hopeful we will get even MORE interactions. Cheers!

[@Demigod2NE3]

I'm super worried that the DESERT arc in S2 might be cut: 1 - the contraption at the end credits looks like the planetarium in the library, which now is in the fire sages temple; and 2 - Zhao DID NOT get the spirit info in the library (that he burned down) but the same fire sage temple of Roku. This might imply that in S2, we get the Winter Solstice episode when Roku informs Aang of the comet, then sees the contraption AND discovers the eclipse right there which shows the sun, the moon and the comet. I WOULD BE MAD that they would skip the desert arc, its one of my fave eps in S2. But to be fair, shooting in the desert with a bunch of kids? Also - Budget.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

If Dune 1 and 2 can shoot in the desert so can Avatar lol

[@Demigod2NE3]

@uncleirohsteashop haha.. but that's a movie budget lol 😆

[@uncleirohsteashop]

@@Demigod2NE3 fair point but look at a show like Shogun then. They are shooting that stuff on location hard.

[@KickItToTheKing]

This birdie being in the spirit world shouldn’t be an issue. He can’t stay in is drowned Library forever. Also word I hear is that he wasn’t intimidating like the cartoon. So when you talk to someone on the street, 98% of the time the conversation goes well. What happens if you “break into his house (the Library)?” You can still tell The Library story as in the cartoon. As far as CGI and having him made before season 2. It helps for sure to have the bones, structure, layers and skin made in season 1 and won’t have to worry about transitioning it to Season 2, but it’s like that with anything CGI that moves. Famous cgi example is the Sonic situation. Folks hated the original movie design. Then studio changed the Skin. They only had to adjust some bones, but not create a brand new cgi character from scratch.

[@MrEffectfilms]

3:08 So I'm not a VFX expert either but I have practiced with and studied visual effects since I was 15 (I'm currently 31) so I do have a somewhat informed perspective on this for whatever it's worth. Having Wan Shi Tong here so that his character model is ready and already on hand when season 2 rolls around makes a lot of sense. This is something you want to test and get right early on so that when the Library comes around no one is distracted by the bad looking CG owl, so this makes a lot of sense to me. As for the Library stuff itself I do think it will be adapted if for no other reason because it would be the easiest way for the GAANG to learn about Sozins Comet. I personally think they won't do The Day of Black Sun, yes it was important in the cartoon but to have to big (and likely expensive) finale setups in the Invasion and Sozins Comet is simply unrealistic to expect. Everything with Zuko can still happen so the confrontation with his father and declaration to join the Avatar will likely still happen too. But the Library is likely going to be how we learn about Sozins Comet not the Eclipse.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

I personally feel like it would be a BIG mistake to not adapt the solar eclipse invasion stuff. Although thanks for sharing your look on the VFX portion of him.

[@michelletumburu216]

I have a feeling they will cut the library. They just need to keep in the story elements of the gang getting intelligence on the eclipse and Appa being kidnapped. Notably, in the love action Zhao does not discover the information about the spirits in the library but from the fire sages. They even throw in the bit about the lion turtles just as Aang came across a picture of lion turtles in the library episode of the animation. Note that it is also the fire sage who is showing Ozai the comet at the end of the live action. Also Roku did not destroy the temple in the live action so it could be that the gang returns there seeking information on the fire nation. Once they learn of the eclipse, they head to the earth kingdom where the Appa being kidnapped story can happen. Of course, could be wrong but that’s my guess.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

That could actually be a good way to change up how they put in a live action "Appa getting captured" plotline. Because I have news for those wondering but there's NO SHOT they adapt Lost Days of Appa. That character is massive on the budget and giving him his own episode would not only not makes sense but it could tank the story. I think it would probably benefit a live action if he doesn't get captured in the desert but still gets captured in Ba Sing Se.

[@roarmbee7045]

I think season 2 and 3 will have more episodes probably 10 or 13 episodes, and they might splits them into volumes just like Stranger Things, like season 2 Vol. 1 ends with the drill going through the walls of Ba Sing Se, and season 3 vol. 1 ends with the eclipse war ended

[@rainbowsprinklez]

Child actors then becomes a problem, unless they do all the filming upfront

[@austine1425]

@@rainbowsprinklez I think they will have "time skips" to explain for the child actors growing up. Like spending a few months or a year at the north for Aang to learn water bending.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

@@rainbowsprinklez they already confirmed they are changing the amount of time of when that comet comes

[@uncleirohsteashop]

That would be nice I would like that!

[@rainbowsprinklez]

@@uncleirohsteashop Yes. I believe they even said a short time-skip after s1 so Aang can learn waterbending (correct me if I'm wrong)

[@kellywhite9299]

Wan Shi Tong's presence could also be for marketing, showing how well he is rendered for a possible Season 2. Season 1 had a bit of 'front loading' of characters to establish a look for future seasons -- with human actors, you wouldn't hire them and then ask them to hang out for a few years until they are needed. Same idea with CG creatures, you would start rendering them as early as possible so that you don't have a rush job for Season 2 and beyond. You then justify the CG budget by having them appear in season 1.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

Also a good point since if they do adapt the library he would be in the episode for a quite a lot of time given the budget each episode it would have

[@danielomar8106]

i enjoyed the show just wished the writing and acting would of been better. if they do a season 2 the writers need to do a better job.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

I don't deny some tweaks need to be made

[@officialkillspreeprokiller5827]

The reason I think he's gonna have no impact later on is because we see fire lord ozai and the sages at roku's temple have the same fucking device that was in the library which depicted the solar eclipse. If they can track the comet with that shit why not also the cycle of the sun and moon? When I saw that I was like wtf the fire Nation already has this😂. And if it only tracks the comets movement that's even worse writing cause I see the sun and other things on the same device Let's not forget Zhao originally learned about the spirits via the library and in the live action azula just fucking gives him the info 😂so idk man😂seems like that library is pretty non existent to me. Why does the fire Nation have such crucial info I have no idea

[@uncleirohsteashop]

It's weird because in the cartoon Azula gives them the information about the solar eclipse and here she gives that information although it seems in the live action the fire nation is just ahead of the curve on everything. That's also how they go to Omashu and took it down with ease. Again some things definitely felt rushed and out of place but I hope I am wrong.

[@dixonrae]

i think it’s purely fan service. wan shi tong is the spirit of wisdom, and he did give the gaang with wisdom….which could’ve been given by literally any other spirit. and i think we’re getting the library scene, just rewritten. we all know how netflix likes to remix plots 😅

[@uncleirohsteashop]

Technically he's the spirit of knowledge but I get what you mean

[@dixonrae]

@@uncleirohsteashop you’re right, thanks!

[@elluriina7235]

What if they won't do the Library episode, but the Gaang will get knowledge of the eclipse from someone in the Fire Nation who has access to that planetarium? A fire sage, or even Zuko, especially if they mix the timeline a bit so that the Gaang will get the info after Zuko joins them and still would have enough time to plan the invasion. I believe that could work if Netflix really gives thought to it! Being lost in the desert really takes time that could be used for better purposes, like showing how the characters' relationships evolve especially after Toph joins the group

[@uncleirohsteashop]

I still feel like the library adds more weight to the idea of actually finding and learning about information with such great importance as that

[@oliviacox1155]

I also think it's interesting that Zuko has been outed as the Blue Spirit by Azula identifying his dual blades. This means Zuko can not go back to the Fire Nation after "defeating the avatar" and he may join the "Gaang" Sooner.

[@robertking4645]

Not really. Only Zhao and Azula knew that information. Once Zuko helps her take Ba Sing Se and defeat Aang, all will be forgotten as he'll come back home with his honor. Or in typical Azula fashion she withholds that information to blackmail Zuko in the future when he's back home

[@uncleirohsteashop]

I wouldn't go that far to say that, I still believe they will follow the trajectory of which the cartoon goes by.

[@ronnies732]

Yeah, this change I didn`t like, but we still can see him using his mask in Ba Sing Se

[@MsAkatsuki09]

The appearance doesn't make sense, really. However, I think the idea is to solidify the character, to bring him back and anyone watching will think "oh...that guy...". His role is very relevant in the second season. I loved him...very well done, man...who made it congratulations... I don't think he won't appear in the next season, because his lore is linked to the desert, the solar eclipse, Comet Sozin itself, etc. Now, will Sokka and Katara be able to understand him in the library? Because they were not in the spiritual world.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

Since the library is in the real world they should be able to understand him there

[@zacharyfrancis7708]

In the legend of korra, the library and wan shi tong was in the spirit world. Maybe the gang will find him and library there in season 2 which is why zhao didn’t find it. That would be a way to show the spirit world again which was kinda never used again after season 1.

[@uncleirohsteashop]

Could definitely be one way to do it

[@ragingraichu219]

Well, considering they already have his model made, it could save on the budget for him, no? There is no need to blow the budget on making a new one when they've already put money into making it. At least that's the way I see it.

[@dresdenwarlock7978]

Imo it means nothing. A lot of folks seem to think it means the library isn't happening and I don't understand this thought.

[@officialkillspreeprokiller5827]

Yea but the problem with that is the device the Gang finds in the library depicting the cycle of the sun moon and earth is something the fire lord already has only he's using it to track the comet. It's literally the same device as it shows the sun the moon etc. They could just say it only tracks the comet but I feel like that would just be lazy writing cause if the moon and sun there why would they not also figure out about the eclipse they just did some rather weird additions which shows they plan to go a different direction cause ozai having that device changed alot

[@uncleirohsteashop]

Fair enough to look at I just wanted to make a video to address any good or bad reasonings for his appearance

[@dresdenwarlock7978]

@@officialkillspreeprokiller5827 but that device is something that the firelord has.. not the Gaang who needs it for their part of the story to work. Otherwise why go to ba sing se to see the earth king? So. it makes since that the fire sages based their equipment on the giant one in wan shi tong's library.

[@officialkillspreeprokiller5827]

@@dresdenwarlock7978 that makes no sense. The only person to enter that library in the og series is Zhao and after that he stopped allowing g humans to enter cause Zhao toasted the info. Also if wan shi tong is in the spirit world where's his library? He took his knowledge into the normal world to share but after humans showed him they used knowledge only for bad he took his beloved knowledge and buried it. If he cares that much about his library idk why hes just randomly chilling in the forest in the spirit world waiting to give the gang exposition that literally any other spirt could have also done. So like I say again it's obvious they plan to go a different way even by your point because even if the fire sages based it on what was in the library how the hell did they get there? Like who was the person. Obviously it's not Zhao which is already a deviation from the og. There would be no need at all to go to the library if the gang can just steal the info from the fire sages. No matter how you look at it people don't wanna admit it but this is going in its own direction. Slight changes have a huge butterfly effect on how the story takes place. Fire Nation knows the whereabouts of important spirits like the moon and ocean but they send Zhao in there? Smh the reason it made sense in the og is cause Zhao alone knew this info and was gonna use it to become a legend. Azusa gives this info to Zhao so it's like bro wtf does the fire Nation not know? And if they know these important things why do they act so stupidly on them? You could literally end all water bending with that info you're telling me they knew that all this time and made no attack on the water tribe? Seems like they care more about fan service and just putting things there cause "oh the fans gonna love this"

[@daxtroshow5018]

I believe the spheres inthe last scene are just the sun and moon

[@bigvault1750]

They also removed zhao’s journey to the library, so they might actually just cut the episode idk..

[@uncleirohsteashop]

Idk if I would go that far to suggest that given if Wan Shi Tong is there already the showrunners know the library exists. They just might not have needed to think they needed that extra scene. Not that that would be ok just saying.

[@Pobaika]

I think they made a mistake showing him in season 1, cuz now we’ve seen him he won’t have that presence awe in season 2

[@uncleirohsteashop]

I definitely wish they preserved it. In the cartoon is reveal is almost a horror like shock because that kind of figure could terrify you. Here in the live action it's not that.

[@Thungon]

My main worry at this moment is... all the Season 2 additions to season 1 (more particularly the secret tunnel section) might've been added because .... just in case there isn't a season 2. D: I mean, I'm hopeful we'll get confirmation they'll make seasons 2 and 3 (and film back to back?). But it could be just bringing in some stuff in case it didn't go well? idk.

[@bradb8427]

lol our man has no concept of astronomy

[@uncleirohsteashop]

Apparently not and I love space too

[@dengmandang]

If they do adapt season 2, I could almost guess that they’re going straight to Ba Sing Se because Aang has a vision that’ll be under attack. They’ll probably take out majority of the episodes out, including the library and be seeing the Earth King by episode 3 😭😭

[@uncleirohsteashop]

Lol good meme

[@ronnies732]

If they are sticking to the plot, there is no way they will remove important episodes, you can't just scratch them off. Cuz the concept will be gone, so they will stick to source material then out of all episodes choose what matters the most, not forgetting developing characters along the way, pacing a bit slower and not for god's sake explaining too much.

[@photog.prince]

Thanks for putting this massive spoiler in the thumbnail... That was really cool of you!

[@uncleirohsteashop]

My guy its been two weeks since the show dropped and this is an Avatar channel I am not sure what you expected

[@photog.prince]

My guy its Only been two weeks! I have a full time job and I'm trying to watch the show with my GF on weekends. I'm a huge avatar fan so this content gets regularly recommended to me. So far you're the only one to post huge spoilers on the thumbnail!.. Can u at least give it a month?? @@uncleirohsteashop

[@machenry_]

He had no business being in this season